OR & KY Tomorrow

Another live political junkie moment tomorrow night for OR & KY.

A split seems likely, Obama is expected to win by double-digits in OR, though the latest polls have shown it being closer. The problem for Clinton in OR is similar to NC, in that her highest poll number is only 45 percent, while Obama's is 55 percent. That very well could be the final tally. This is a graph showing which counties in Oregon have returned their ballots. If there's not a late surge in voting, Clinton may be much closer, but I suspect there will be (with turnout exceeding 700K).

In KY, Clinton will do very well, the only question being whether she blows Obama away by more or less than 30 percent. The polls say its likely, because I would expect that the undecideds break toward Clinton and Edwards, as they did in West Virginia.

The narrative for the night will be cast pretty early with the Kentucky results coming very early in the night-- iirc their polls close at 6 pm CST. And Oregon results will not be known until much later, at 8 pm PST, so there's a 4 hour difference there alone. Most likely, both candidates will have delivered their 'victory' speeches prior to Oregon being called-- unless it's a big Obama victory.

I'll go with Obama in OR and a 54-46 result, and Clinton over Obama & Edwards in KY by a 62-32-5 margin.

I'm also gonna go out on a limb for now, and predict that Clinton takes SD, splitting the contests on June 3rd, a closed primary (for which the recent NE primary results are a good current prognosticator).  Obama should do very well in MT.

Between now and then, are the DNC meeting over MI & FL on the 31st, and the Puerto Rico primary on the 1st. I just learned that Todd Beeton is gong to be heading down to Puerto Rico on the 31st, so we'll have on-location coverage of the PR primary.



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Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

Response to the Suffolk poll in OR.

  1.  These folks have NEVER done a poll in OR to my knowledge.

  2. Their crosstabs suck to be frank.  More than half their sample is 56 and about 75% is 45 and older.  The electorate will definately skew younger than that.  They polled indies, who can't vote in the primary and they don't break out any minority groups at all.

  3. Marion County is no f-ing bellweather county.  Also, doing an SPSS observation-based analysis is really quite weak.  A better bell-weather would be Washington County or even Lane or Deschutes.


by skywaker9 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 01:52:48 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

Survey USA is out with final poll, Obama 55 Clinton 42.


by Kensingtonbill on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:55:22 PM EST
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Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

I see you obviously didn't get MY application to cover the PR elections first hand.

always the bride's maid . . .


by pholkhero on Mon May 19, 2008 at 01:53:43 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

You are living in a dreamland if you think that Clinton is going to win South Dakota, and probably represents your wishful thinking rather than reality. The most recent poll showed Obama with a 12-point lead, and Clinton's average over the three latest polls to be taken is 34.7%.


by unionfield on Mon May 19, 2008 at 01:53:46 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

I picked up on that myself. I guess it's the typical Jerome bias. The last 6 primaries were allways going to be split, with Obama taking MT, SD and OR while Hillary snatches WV, KY and PR. If anybody wants to think that Hillary will make it close in SD, then they will have to concede that PR is not a lock for Clinton.
Still, statements that imply that Obama won't take SD simply are out of touch  and comprimises the integrity of the blogger.
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by xodus1914 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:56:32 PM EST
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Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

It would be a big blow to Obama to lose SD .. as Daschle is from there ... and I doubt Daschle wants to disappoint


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:08:24 PM EST
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Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

Whenever Jerome goes out on a limb that snapping sound is sure to follow.


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by Lefty Coaster on Mon May 19, 2008 at 09:20:40 PM EST
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South Dakota? (2.00 / 2)

What's your rationale for Clinton taking South Dakota?  

The Nebraska primary results are meaningless, because there was very low turn-out and it didn't count for anything.  And Obama still won that primary by a few percentage points.  


by ProfessorReo on Mon May 19, 2008 at 01:56:07 PM EST

Re: South Dakota? (none / 0)

Yeah, I tend to think that if there's a split, it'll be the other way around, with Clinton winning MT.

I'll still hope for an Obama sweep of the two, though. :)


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:16:13 PM EST
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Re: South Dakota? (none / 0)

The rationale is that Jerome really, really doesn't want to deal with the likelihood that Obama is our nominee.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:25:01 PM EST
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Will Obama drop out after KY (2.00 / 1)

Will he finally accept the hopelessness of his campaign?


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Mon May 19, 2008 at 01:57:44 PM EST

Re: Will Obama drop out after KY (2.00 / 2)

You forgot the snark tag.


UNITY!
by The Great Gatsby on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:00:21 PM EST
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Re: Will Obama drop out after KY (none / 0)

What would be the response if an Obama supporter wrote a similiar post? Here in lies the hipocrisy of alot of people around here.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:07:32 PM EST
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they do it all the time (none / 0)

hence my equal time


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:34:41 PM EST
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Re: they do it all the time (none / 0)

Do you complain about it? Yes. Do you troll rate? Yes.

I don't see the faux outrage coming from the Obama supporters.
This is what I find hypocritical. We can take the heat. I wonder about some other people around here.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:52:17 PM EST
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It's because you are now in nice nice mode (none / 0)

We heard that word came down from Chicago to be nice to us Hillary supporters.


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:08:53 PM EST
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Re: It's because you are now in nice nice mode (none / 0)

charming signature. that pretty much symbolizes the doomsaying chicken-little crowd right there.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:17:35 PM EST
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Re: Will Obama drop out after KY (none / 0)


   Why would he NewHampster? What about his campaign is hopeless? He's pretty much beaten Hillary across the board. Why should two states make him drop out?
by southernman on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:59:35 PM EST
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Re: Will Obama drop out after KY (none / 0)

Because.
Just because.
The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:26:08 PM EST
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Lol. Wow. (2.00 / 1)

Obama's going to win Oregon by 13+ points. And he's going to net 12 delegates.

Oregon
Senator Barack Obama (D-IL), 32
Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), 20

Kentucky
Senator Barack Obama (D-IL), 17
Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), 34

Take it to the bank.


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by Lord Hadrian on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:00:38 PM EST

Obama wins Oregon by double digits (2.00 / 3)

and Hillary wins Kentucky by >30%.

Obama will take both Montana and South Dakota.

Obama will NOT declare victory tomorrow instead will give a rousing speech for Dem unity and bashing the McCain/Bush economic and foreign policies.  


by puma on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:02:53 PM EST

Re: Obama wins Oregon by double digits (none / 0)

What about Puerto Rico?


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:07:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama wins Oregon by double digits (2.00 / 1)

I hear that reports on the ground give it to Obama.


by interestedbystander on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:13:00 PM EST
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Re: Obama wins Oregon by double digits (2.00 / 2)

Although Hillary had a jump start on the island Obama is now on the air (Hillary is not) and billboards are starting to crop up.

http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/noticia /politica/noticias/redobla_su_campana_en _la_isla/407161

His message in Puerto Rico is, "Nos entiende." This translates to
"He understands us." They play up his upbringing and struggle.

I think money will play a great part in his taking of Puerto Rico.

The fact that he is seen as the presumptive nominee and this is parroted by local news and radio can only help him.

A huge turnout is not expected. Boycotts, lack of enthusiasm and a feeling that the nomination is decided all having an effect.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:13:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama wins Oregon by double digits (2.00 / 1)

I would like to add, that the major political players in Puerto Rico back Obama. The election was going to be a caucus but the Democratic leaders on the island (Hillary supporters) changed it to an open primary after Super Tuesday (obvious reasons).

A sad fact to report, her surrogates are propagating awful Obama rumors.

1) He is a racist

  1. He thinks he is better than latinos
  2. He is dangerous to Puerto Rico
  3. He is an elitist

Don't kill the messenger, I'm just reporting the facts. I'm sure Todd will hear alot of this during his stay on the island.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:20:14 PM EST
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Obama could very well win PR (2.00 / 2)

I was there this weekend doing canvassing. Lots of support for him. He will also be there next week before the primaries which could be the tipping point. It is NOT  a lock for Hillary and most of the machines from BOTH parties are behind him.


by sweet potato pie on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:14:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama could very well win PR (none / 0)

Would you care to make a prediction?


by interestedbystander on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:12:42 AM EST
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Oregon Primary (none / 0)

Since all ballots are mailed, how will the tallying be done?
Are ballots accepted through Tuesday?
Will final totals be delayed past Tuesday?
by susie on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:06:19 PM EST

Re: Oregon Primary (2.00 / 2)

Ballots can be dropped off up til 8:00 PM Tuesday.


by JustJennifer on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:18:36 PM EST
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Re: Oregon Primary (2.00 / 1)

To respond to your other two questions:

Ballots are read by an optical scanner.
Results will be known the same evening.

The only thing that will be different (don't quote me on this, and anyone - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is that there won't be the typical "exit" polling, with all those detailed questions.

A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.
by DemsRising on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:43:58 PM EST
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Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

I think that Obama will pickup SD and it will be big.  Does anyone know if Obama is going to PR??


by Spanky on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:07:10 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

Yes he is going to Puerto Rico next week.


by sweet potato pie on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:15:37 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Taking SD??? (2.00 / 3)

Nice job keeping Hillary supporters in it to the end. I worked SD in '04. Ain't no way in hell they are voting for Hillary. You can take that to the bank.
GeauxBama!
by DailyKingFish on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:10:30 PM EST

Wait, how are Oregon and North Carolina similar? (2.00 / 3)

Are you just saying that because he's ahead by the same margins in both?  Because they're diametrically opposed in demographics, not to mention geography.  I find it bizarre to say that two states are just like each other (when in fact they could not be more different) because one candidate is consistently liked in both, and the other is not.


by The Distillery on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:13:22 PM EST

Also left out the biggest news tomorrow. (2.00 / 6)

In all likelihood, tomorrow Obama will end the day having a clear majority of elected delegates with no possibility for Sen. Clinton to catch up even if she won every other contest. This will be a big deal, but is left out of this analysis entirely.


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by Travis Stark on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:16:55 PM EST

Re: Also left out the biggest news tomorrow. (2.00 / 1)


   Jerome is not known for his objectiveness these days. He leaves out unpleasant facts while pushing long shots in the hope that something will stick for Clinton. It's truly sad, but its unfortunately what he's resorted himself to.
by southernman on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:57:46 PM EST
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Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (2.00 / 2)

If Hillary wins South Dakota, I'll eat my hat.


by DeskHack on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:19:12 PM EST

Well... (1.50 / 2)

If she doesn't technically win in the traditional sense, I'm sure MyDD will spin it such that even a 10 point Obama win means Hillary actually won.  Hell, they'll even say the vote totals from PR ought to be counted...  unless Hillary loses PR, of course.


Let's elect a Dem President!
by SpanishFly on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:47:20 PM EST
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Re: Well... (2.00 / 1)


   They've spoken a lot about Puerto Rico tipping the balance.

  I wonder if they've thought of the irony that a territory that can't vote for President in the general might tip the election to a particular candidate.

 It won't happen, but that hasn't stopped the Clintonites from dreaming. What an argument. Clinton won the popular vote thanks to a state that can't vote for her in the general, so we should hand the nomination to her!!

  Get ready for more insanity. It's coming!!


by southernman on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:56:49 PM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

Don't worry. She is not winning in Puerto Rico. This is a Clinton talking point passed off as fact. The turnout will be low (by PR standards) anyways.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:02:28 PM EST
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Re: Well... (2.00 / 2)

"Only Clinton can deliver the swing territories!"


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:19:47 PM EST
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1 issue w/ your SD analysis (2.00 / 3)

I agree it will be closer than the polls show.  Clinton might win,although a 5 pt loss is more likely.  However, the Nebraska primary that didn't have anything to do with the actual selection process really isn't a good indicator of much.  It's one thing to argue that primaries are more legitimate than caucuses.  It's another to suggest that a "non-binding" primary conducted after the caucus that selects the delegates is a real indicator of sentiment.


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by edparrot on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:24:11 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

New SUSA Poll shows Obama by 13.  Data here: http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=43d3ad90-4714-4aef-ad28-931961 c0aaf6


by skywaker9 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:30:58 PM EST

Yep Obama will (2.00 / 1)

win by double digits.


by puma on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:35:33 PM EST
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Where's the talk obout Delegates Jerome (2.00 / 2)

Since the entire race is predicated on wining Delegates I think it would be prudent for you to mention what the total delegate count for each candidate would be. I don't think a discussion of who's gonna win each election is actually pertinent. What is important is what will each candidate end up earning and what their total delegate count end up being after the elections.


by eddieb on Mon May 19, 2008 at 02:49:08 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

Nice try, but you left out one fact...IT ENDS TOMORROW......Frankly I find Hillary on the stump today claiming to be winning the popular vote sad and beneath the dignity she deserves.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:01:17 PM EST

Have I got this right? (2.00 / 1)

Total pledged delegates available (w/o MI and FL) = 3244
Magic number a candidate has to win to prevent the other candidate from ever achieving a majority (1/2 of 3244) = 1622

Obama current count: 1612.5  Needs:  9.5
Clinton current count: 1442.5 Needs: 179.5


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:01:53 PM EST

Re: Have I got this right? (2.00 / 1)

It's actually 3253 pledged delegates at 1627 needed for majority of pledged.


by Onward Virginia Democrats on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:14:38 PM EST
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I must have left out (2.00 / 1)

Edwards delegates. :(


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:15:48 PM EST
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Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

Ok after PR will all the Hillary fans finally accept she is beaten. I hope after McCain replaces 3 supreme court justices and choice is gone, she is happy.
If Obama loses Hillary will get the blame and will be lucky  to have any political carrer left.

by JOEL1954 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:25:46 PM EST

Karl Rove's maps for November (none / 0)

Who can win in November?  Here's something ABC News got a hold of:

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/ McCainClintonObama051608.pdf


by katmandu1 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:41:57 PM EST

Re: Karl Rove's maps for November (2.00 / 1)

A few points: (a) Those are his maps as of now, not November. (b)  Rove has been wrong at math before. (c) Rove may have reasons to present Clinton more favorably in a match-up than Obama.


by comotion on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:09:20 PM EST
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Re: Karl Rove's maps for November (2.00 / 1)

I am leary of anything that Rove puts out, especially now. I don't see HRC taking WV over MCcain, for instance.


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:14:19 PM EST
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So much for the Clinton narrative (2.00 / 1)

Oregon creates a serious problem for those pushing the "only Clinton can win the white, working-class vote".  The minority population of Oregon is quite low and the median income is below the national median.  Shouldn't this be Clinton country?

It's also an important swing state in November - it's a bit disturbing that she can't be more competitive there and that she's not polling better against McCain in states like this.


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:03:35 PM EST

Re: So much for the Clinton narrative (none / 0)

The brutal fact about WV and KY is that most of the people who are 'predisposed' to vote for Hillary over Barack will never vote for a Clinton over John McCain.

Does anybody have any polls of a Hillary vs. McCain in WV or KY?


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:09:03 PM EST
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Re: So much for the Clinton narrative (none / 0)

Karl Rove (see preceding thread) says: Clinton by 5 in WV over McCain; McCain by 12 in KY. FWIW.


by comotion on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:12:50 PM EST
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Re: So much for the Clinton narrative (none / 0)

Why anybody would EVER cite Karl Rove regarding electoral math is WAY beyond me.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:17:17 PM EST
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Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

The real positive aspect in this Primary is turnout.
My call?
Sen. Clinton by 27% over Sen Obama in KY
Sen. Obama over Sen. Clinton 20% in OR

We will see who the SD's come out for on Wed.
...but hey most of us already know....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxNf2uCxd 3E


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by nogo postal on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:15:45 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

New PPP Poll

Obama 58
Clinton 39

19 pt difference


by BDM on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:49:51 PM EST
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I wouldn't use PPP for toilet paper (none / 0)

after the prediction for the Pennsylvania primary.


by Angry White Democrat on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:50:58 PM EST
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Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

Why would anyone vote for Edwards now?


by ellend818 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:16:36 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (none / 0)

I cannot wait to see a Kentucky blowout tomorrow night. I wonder what his excuse will be, or to blunt the message from Kentuckians, some new superdelegate will come out and endorse Obama, this time to try to influence Puerto Rico, and that will fail miserably.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:45:10 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

Obama doesn't need an excuse for losing KY. He's not going to win them all.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:08:27 PM EST
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The only Homer I take seriously wrote The Iliad (2.00 / 1)

I'll go with Obama in OR and a 54-46 result, and Clinton over Obama & Edwards in KY by a 62-32-5 margin.

I'm also gonna go out on a limb for now, and predict that Clinton takes SD, splitting the contests on June 3rd, a closed primary (for which the recent NE primary results are a good current prognosticator).  Obama should do very well in MT.

I hope you're not putting money on that. Obama dominates the Great Plains and the West in general. The Nebraska primary is irrelevant. Like the Florida and Michigan contests, it didn't count for anything. You can't project real numbers from a fake election.

As for Oregon, Obama should win by at least 10 points. As Jonathan noted, people who have already voted have favored Obama by 9 points. The spread among likely voters is even higher.

After tomorrow, Senator Obama will have clinched the pledged delegate lead. And even after Senator Clinton's large win in West Virginia, superdelegate endorsements have heavily favored Obama.

Those who are desperately clinging to the idea of a Clinton nomination will have to count on Michigan/Florida being seated with Obama receiving no delegates from Michigan. Not only is this scenario ridiculous and unlikely, but it would also still fail (in all likelihood) to win Clinton the nomination.

If she wants to keep campaigning she can go ahead. But I hope you, Jerome, as well as the other Clinton supporters on this site realize that there is a 99% chance of Obama being our nominee in the fall.


by chicagovigilante on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:03:17 PM EST

Re: The only Homer I take seriously wrote The Ilia (2.00 / 2)

Even if Michigan and Florida are seated based entirely on the results of the January "primaries," which is extremely unlikely, then Obama leads by 135 delegates even without the remaining 25 Edwards delegates and 19 Michigan uncommitted delegates added to his total. There is simply no longer any path for Clinton to reach the nomination.
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=5850
We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:10:09 PM EST
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Re: The only Homer I take seriously wrote The Ilia (2.00 / 1)

Good point. I knew Michigan and Florida wouldn't help her much with delegates, but that information you provided proves that counting those delegates is even more insignificant than I thought. I honestly cannot understand her endgame.


by chicagovigilante on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:29:02 PM EST
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South Dakota (2.00 / 1)

Obama won EVERY state bordering South Dakota by over 25 points. (Except Iowa, which he still won handily)  What, pray tell, has inspired you to 'go out on a limb' on SD?


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:14:31 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

Jerome,
You put the Gallup tracking poll on the front page when Clinton led by 4 points one day. Are you going to do it again, now that Obama leads by 16?
We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:29:07 PM EST

Re: OR & KY Tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

He'll do it as soon as he updates the delegate trackers.

::snark::


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:47:33 PM EST
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