Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating

As the Democratic nomination contest begins to wind down, The Washington Post is reporting that there are plans underway by top Obama and Clinton fundraisers to merge into a general election fundraising team.

Top fundraisers for Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have begun private talks aimed at merging the two candidates' teams, not waiting for the Democratic nominating process to end before they start preparations for a hard-fought fall campaign.

On CNN last night, there was speculation that this was a way for the Obama campaign to help Clinton pay off some of her debt without using millions in small donations to do it. The campaign denies there is any formal coordination, however.

Kirk Dornbush, a member of the Obama national finance team in Georgia, said that while there is no formal effort by the Obama campaign to recruit Clinton counterparts, "many of us have friendships with Clinton donors that predate the 2008 campaign and will last long after this race is over. Given this reality, it should not be surprising that we have received phone calls in the last few weeks" from individuals interested in crossing over.

One top Clinton donor stresses that this should not be taken as a sign that her fundraisers have given up on her.

Mark Aronchick, a Philadelphia lawyer who has raised more than $1 million for Clinton's bid, said that while her supporters have not given up on their candidate, they recognize the need to start preparing for the general election.

"Only if we do this right, and see this through in the right way, will there be a chance for a full, rapid and largely complete unification of the party," Aronchick said.

He also stresses that unifying the party is a two-way street. While many talk about what Clinton needs to do so as not to harm Obama in the general, rarely does anyone mention Obama's responsibility in the unification of the party.

Aronchick said that in his own discussions, he emphasized the need for the senator from Illinois to stop describing Clinton and her backers as representing the politics of the past.

"They need to understand how corrosive that has been among her supporters," Aronchick said. "For this to work, they need to correct any impression that he thinks we represent the old ways of doing things or Washington Beltway ways of doing things."

So it would appear that the inevitable shift toward the likely nominee is underway among the large donor fundraising class, one of many steps in the transition we're going to have to undergo as a party to shift from primary to general election mode and come together against a common foe. Another concern is, of course, how to quell the very real resistance to Barack among millions of Hillary's supporters. One way suggested in the article is through a strategic VP choice, although Clinton herself is not seen as the likely pick; rather, the idea is that Obama would pick one of Clinton's top supporters/surrogates.

"There's gale-force pressure for Obama to choose a Clinton loyalist as a running mate to heal the party but avoid putting her and her formidable baggage on the ticket," said one Obama ally in Washington. "You hear the names [Ohio Gov. Ted] Strickland, [Indiana Sen. Evan] Bayh, and [retired general] Wes Clark almost constantly, and it's no secret that Jim Johnson and Tom Daschle are purveyors of that wisdom."

Is this really conventional wisdom among the Obama campaign? Because if it is, it seems to me they horribly mis-understand both the impact of Hillary's being on the ticket (the army of passionate supporters she would bring to bear would outweigh the negative effects of her so-called baggage and would actually serve to mitigate the baggage that Obama brings to the ticket) and the nature of the resentment many Clinton supporters would feel at an Obama nomination (Bayh, really?)

While I do believe the nomination fight will ultimately pay dividends for the Democratic ticket in the fall, certainly the reality is that we're going to have to undergo a delicate unification of the various factions of the party and it's good to see it's beginning now.



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Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (2.00 / 1)

To me this is the money quote <"They need to understand how corrosive that has been among her supporters," Aronchick said. "For this to work, they need to correct any impression that he thinks we represent the old ways of doing things or Washington Beltway ways of doing things.">

What i always hear (IMHO) is how traditional democratics are not really wanted or needed in the new BO dominant democratic party.  And frankly we hear this from Donna Brilze as well.

I hope BO really wants to unify the party but sometimes wonder if we are really just talkinb about taking it over and set up loyality tests for democrats who have been voting dem since JFK?

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:02:40 AM EST

Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (none / 0)

Why on earth would Obama or for that matter Hillary NOT want to unite the party?  We are here to do all we can to turn back the GOP Horror, aren't we. Don't you pray for the day we have a filibuster  proof Democratic Congress and Democratic President. We have so much harm to undo and so much good to accomplish for our country and the World. Don't you agree?


by eddieb on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:50:01 AM EST
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Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (none / 0)

What on earth is a Traditional Democrat?  I don't even know what that means.


http://www.yawnmccain.com
by enozinho on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:12:39 PM EST
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Traditional Democrat... (none / 0)

...are those voting in bulk for Hillary.  Or what the MSM (and Obama supporters) describe as uneducated/blue collar/elderly/women/union....basically everyone except the new people that Obama has brought into the Dem fold this year...


by Nighttrain on Mon May 19, 2008 at 01:00:36 PM EST
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Re: Traditional Democrat... (none / 0)

This traditional democrat is a strong Obama supporter, Dean.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Mon May 19, 2008 at 01:36:50 PM EST
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Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (1.50 / 2)

Sounds like a deceptive way for the wealthy Clinton's to use Obama's name and fund raising appeal to get their campaign loans paid back.


by ImpeachBushCheney on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:04:55 AM EST

Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (2.00 / 1)

As has been previously stated many many times. Clinton does not need Obama nor his money to pay off her campaign debt. We can easily turn this around and state that Obama wants into her GE war chest. It's quite substantial.


by Iceblinkjm on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:07:39 AM EST
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Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (none / 0)

I would think that 20 million plus in debt would contradict that statement.  And she can't use the GE fund to pay off her debt since she won't be the nominee.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:50:44 AM EST
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Proof positive that the inside-Washington Obama (2.00 / 2)

supporters are out of step with the rank and file of the Democratic party.  In fact, they have no idea what's going on out here.  Evan Bayh, really?  Clinton's "baggage" ?  Are they still on that tired refrain?  Have they not noticed that Clinton has drawn essentially half of the vote in a huge primary campaign for the presidency?  Do they really think that Evan Bayh will 'unite' anyone but party insiders?

Gosh; so dumb.  

Strickland, I admit, could probably deliver Ohio, which Obama will otherwise have big problems winning.


by mgee on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:06:53 AM EST

Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

From the Daily News via Firstread:


"Clinton's top donors are starting to jump ship, and increasingly they're paddling - checkbooks in hand - toward rival Barack Obama, a Daily News analysis has found. The review of campaign finance data found that in March alone, some 113 top Clinton funders - namely those who had already given her the maximum $2,300 allowed by law - switched sides and gave to Obama for the first time."


by Piuma on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:06:55 AM EST

Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Spin.


by Iceblinkjm on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:08:31 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Well i am not one of them yet and will have to see some contrition before i wright my usual 2k check to the GE candidate.  

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:08:57 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Save your money. No one is going to apologize.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:14:12 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

And we all know how important Democractic unity is to you.  

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:24:57 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

I don't believe you're a Democrat.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:27:04 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Whatever.  I voted for Carter twice give me a break.  What you mean to say is you dont beleive i am part of the new BO democartic party that goes out of its way to demean and insult long time tradiation democrats.  

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:34:17 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Those long time tradition Dems like Kennedy?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:35:42 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

I hate to break it to you but Kennedy is not a popular democratic outside of his NE liberal rich elitist crowd.  I despise Ted Kennedy and he is the lowest of low IMHO.  Or do you not remember 1972.  Funny you criticise HRC but Ted Kennedy tried to STEAL the nomination away from Carter.  Remember that??  Serial wife cheater. Alcoholic.  And that is not even the worst things he has done.  

You are confusing tradiation democrats form the NE elitist democratics.  Kennedy, dukakis, Kerry, etc.  They only represent themselves not working class union democrats.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:46:28 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Yeah Dems don't toss about the elitist comment and it's amusing to me that you seem to think that Clinton isn't an elitist. Serial wife cheater? Represent unions? Are you actually familiar with the Clintons???


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:50:32 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Really dems dont go around calling other dems racist or insult LBJ who was the democrat most responsible for passing civil rights.  Have you heard of a bridge that goes over a river in NE?  So dont compare the clintons to Ted Kennedy.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:54:39 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Well tell it to MLK since he said the LBJ didn't do shite.

You compared Kennedy to the Clintons. Serial wife cheater and union buster couple that they are.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:58:05 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Well with respect MLK is wrong.  And if he was still alive he would say that.  But people like you continue to say LBJ didnt do shit and i guess it makes you feel better to foward these lies.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:01:47 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

hahaha. If he was alive he would say that. Comedy. As if you know more about the civil rights movement and the toothless legislation that LBJ pushed than MLK did when he made that statement after he forced LBJ to do something and reviewing the legislation itself. Or me for that matter who works with Title VII issues.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:11:33 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Why would i beleive you work on anything that has to do with Title VII since you go around calling long time dems not a democrat.  

And you are wrong about what LBJ did and he was not forced by anyone.  But what you are doing is demeaning his legency and we both know why you feel the need to do this dont we.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:18:29 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Heh. From the guy who says that Kennedy isn't a Dem that's funny.

Yeah, LBJ totally would have done that without the movement.

Demeaning his legacy? From the guy who pretends that the civil rights movement didn't force the government to do something? That's funny. I didn't see LBJ out there dying for civil rights.

As far as you believing or not believing that I work on Title VII cases it doesn't matter if you do.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:28:17 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

If only you guys could channel you angry away from each other and towards the REAL Opposition, MCSAME and the Repuglicants.


by eddieb on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:56:53 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (2.00 / 1)

I'm not angry. I'm laughing. This cat isn't a Dem.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:58:24 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Just not your kind of democratic and what appears to be you new loyality test for you new democratic party.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:02:40 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Nah. Not a dem at all. You spout GOP talking points and rhetoric too often.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:11:37 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Funny BO supporters always say they dont go around calling HRC "not real democrats".  But you seem to do this all the time.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:19:27 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (2.00 / 1)

You're confused. I'm saying you're not a Democrat at all. I'm saying you're a GOP troll.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:29:11 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Funny i hear that BO supporters dont go around calling HRC supporters "not real democrats" but now we are GOP trolls. That is pretty weak dude.  Troll. That is all you got.  Dont like what i have to say so HRC supporters are trolls.

Is that title VII working.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:37:24 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Again. You're confused. I don't even think you're a Hillary supporter. I think you're a GOP troll.

It's that Title VII working? What??


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:43:07 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

WEll "I think you're a GOP troll".

Again care to provide some proof other than you dont like what HRC supporters have to say.  Well i would never say you are not a democrat but a kos democrat who goes around bullying anyone who disagrees.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:45:37 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Your GOP talking points give you away. You should be sneakier next time.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 12:49:52 PM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

And don't expect Obama supporters to donate a penny to pay off Hillary's debts as long as her supporters keep shouting, "Wha, Wha, I'll never vote for Obama in November."


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:25:20 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Well as stated above HRC doesnt need BO monies and has never asked for it.  Interesting, are you suggesting that BO supporters support pay offs to get support.  sad.

And let me know if you can find a post by me here suggesting i have ever written that HRC supporters should vote for BO.  Let me know how that search goes.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:37:11 AM EST
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Re: Donor shift (none / 0)

Well that's great, so I'll save my donations for Obama's GE campaign. There's over 1.5 million of us so far, you know.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:57:37 PM EST
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Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (none / 0)

Look, if they feel Clinton as VP would get more votes or put more states in play than somebody else, then they should approach her about it.  If not, however, they should not.  At the end of the day you can't win only with votes from Democrats, so whether she inspires more enthusiasm among Democrats than other choices is sort of beside the point.


by rfahey22 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:08:09 AM EST

Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (2.00 / 1)

Really, Didnt Kerry beat Bush with indies?  He still lost by 2 1/2%. Kerry lost in 2004 because he did not carry enough democrats.  The key to winning in Nov is to win over 90% of democrats that make up 30% of all voters.  Look at the numbers for your self.

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:10:59 AM EST
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Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (none / 0)

Well I don't really think it was cause Kerry didn't carry enough democrats.  Turnout was up across the board, the difference was Bush got MORE of his base out than Kerry did.  He just had a much better GOTV machine than we did last time around.

It really bodes well for us this time because McCain really doesn't have a "base" per se and we have had campaigns in all 50 states so democrats are already fired up and in voting mode.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:54:41 AM EST
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Stop talking about the politics of the past. (2.00 / 1)

That's not hard. He doesn't talk about Clinton hardly at all anymore.

As far her supporters outweighing her baggage that seems to be a guess at best.

Bill & Hillary would have to let themselves be fully vetted in the VP picking process.

Who thinks that they would let the Obama camp peer into every nook and cranny?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:13:10 AM EST

he did not carry enough democrats. (none / 0)

The GOP brand name is so discredited this year that at least one McCainiac is claiming he's a Democrat.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:16:56 AM EST

One positive thing would be... (2.00 / 2)

If MyDD and Hillary's other staunch backers would stop pressuring the Obama campaign to pick Hillary for VP.  And if Hillary would tell her surrogates to stop saying things like:

"I think Obama was terribly sexist," and "I may not vote for him." - G. Ferraro

Really?  Someone makes racist statements about the Obama campaign to Hillary's benefit and now she's accusing him of being sexist?  Does this not sound like Republican Election Tactics 101?

The scolding going on here and elsewhere of Obama's supporters is out of line, IMO.  It's tough not to get defensive and respond in kind when so many things in the kitchen sink were low blows and based on things Progressives should stand against.  

It's good to see there may be a plan to raise money together and in at least one regard, create some party unity.  It would be even better if this site and others in the Clinton camp would accept reality and start acting like they care about the party winning in November.


Let's elect a Dem President!
by SpanishFly on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:18:37 AM EST

Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (none / 0)

And when will BO supporters stop Randy Rodes from calling her, well we know what she called HRC.  

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:21:27 AM EST

Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (2.00 / 2)

And when RR said that, this Obama supporter and many, many others denounced her despicable statements and called for her termination.
So get off that flimsy soapbox once and for all!
Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:31:13 AM EST
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Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (none / 0)

Really RR is not smearing HRC on her new show.  And didnt HRC speak out about Ferraro.  Doulble standatd.  You think?

david


by giusd on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:47:49 AM EST
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Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (none / 0)

Stop how??


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:36:00 AM EST
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Re: "they horribly mis-understand (1.00 / 0)

... the impact of Hillary's being on the ticket"

My thoughts exactly, as if someone other than Obama would satisfy his supporters.. not.


by phoenixdreamz on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:26:10 AM EST

Re: Clinton and Obama Donors Consolidating (2.00 / 2)

One thing for sure is the extreme over reaction of Clinton supporters to any form of criticism. This site is a supreme example of those tender feelings. I think the root cause of this over reaction is the Clinton supporters total disbelief  and denial that Hillary could have been out manuvered and bested by this "Young naive upstart" So now Obama and we, his supporters are now being told to be more in touch with Hillary's supporters and fund raisers feelings. O.K. I promise to try to be more sensitive and will welcome examples of what I must say and do to heal those wounds. I also will do my best to ignore the attacks on Obama and myself that I am sure will continue no matter what. All I ask is that when and if Obama becomes our candidate that Mydd and all its members joins me and support our candidate  enthusiastically and promise tovote for him.


by eddieb on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:35:51 AM EST

That's the thing! (none / 0)

If Hillary were in the driver's seat, you bet your ass Obama would've been driven from the race by now.  And these folks would all be calling for healing and for minorities to "suck it up" and vote for the Democrat regardless of how badly their feelings were hurt.

Well, the shoe isn't on that foot.  You're 100% right in saying they're in disbelief and denial.  I don't know if time is going to heal those wounds, either.  I've seen nothing on this site that suggests they'll come around.  If it is to happen, it'll start with Jerome and others at the top making amends with the large number of Obama supporters they've tried to marginalize here, over and over.  I've been banned once already for not going along with the party line here (as well as for bring an ass in how I presented something.)  So, it's also up to us, the Obama supporters, as you suggest.  We'll need to be less "in your face" as well.  We need to shift from the Primary Campaign mindset and welcome the Hillary voters back into the fold as they do come around, it they do.  Again, this is mainly on the folks at the top of this site and how they transform MyDD into a tool for supporting Obama rather than tearing him down.  And when the Obama supporters see that coming to pass, I'm sure we'll be a lot nicer too.


Let's elect a Dem President!
by SpanishFly on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:47:05 AM EST
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Bickering (2.00 / 3)

When I observe Hillary supporters and Obama supporters engage in back and forth "I know you are, but what am I" Tit for Tat rhetoric

It makes me feel terribly frustrated and angry

Because I value unity and doing what is best for our country.

Therefore, I request both sides stop this and go after McCain.

Can you handle McCain?

At least 2 more conservative judges will be appointed and Roe V. Wade will be overturned in about 3 minutes.

We will be at war with Iran, finally even the neo-cons won't be able to continue these wars without a draft.

The economy will continue to grow while leaving the middle class behind.

Health care will become even more expensive once it is no longer employee supported, finally crushing the middle classes ability to get health care.

Parents will have even less time to spend with their kids, because they are working two jobs to pay for healthh care and MCCain's wars. Those are some family values.

equal pay for equal work will become a thing of the past, because those women and those colored folks just need more education.

Most union level jobs will be sent overseas, destroying the salary base even further.

So, there ya go.

Unite!!!!


by alectimmerman on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:42:48 AM EST


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