Snark?  I hope?

Hillary does worse in rural Oregan than urban Oregon.  Interesting, really.  The dairy farmers there prefer the so called "elitist".  Explain that, Hillary supporters!

Does Obama think that back to the land types are
gullible? Or that smart Oregon women like hearing women he doesn't know being called "Sweetie"? They DON'T.

Perhaps he thinks he'll do well in OR, but I think he's wrong.

That may not be true. We'll see. I lived in that area once and it was a very progressive place. Obama is light years behind the West Coast.

Sweetiegate, I think, will hurt him a LOT around there. They have no need for Eastern old style paternalistic insider politicians, even if they are half black. The insiders represent a level of corruption and backroom dealings that up until now the West seems to have mostly avoided. They don't want to start.

By all accounts, Obama is the insiders insider.

I thought Harpers said it the best with this.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0 081275

From "Barack Obama Inc.:
The birth of a Washington machine"

"I recall a remark made by Studs Terkel in 1980, about the liberal Republican John Anderson, who was running as an independent against Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter: "People are so tired of dealing with two-foot midgets, you give them someone two foot four and they start proclaiming him a giant." In the unstinting and unanimous adulation of Barack Obama today, one wonders if a similar dynamic might be at work. If so, his is less a midgetry of character than one dictated by changing context. Gone are the days when, as in the 1970s, the U.S. Senate could comfortably house such men as Fred Harris (from Oklahoma, of all places), who called for the breakup of the oil, steel, and auto industries; as Wisconsin's William Proxmire, who replaced Joe McCarthy in 1957 and survived into the 1980s, a crusader against big banks who neither spent nor raised campaign money; as South Dakota's George McGovern, who favored huge cuts in defense spending and a guaranteed income for all Americans; as Frank Church of Idaho, who led important investigations into CIA and FBI abuses.

All of this has forged a political culture that is intrinsically hostile to reform. On condition of anonymity, one Washington lobbyist I spoke with was willing to point out the obvious: that big donors would not be helping out Obama if they didn't see him as a "player." The lobbyist added: "What's the dollar value of a starry-eyed idealist?"

Also, Obama's opposition to

FUNCTIONAL universal healthcare is going to hurt him in Oregon which has a huge number of uninsured people.

People who want universal healthcare, not the price rises
that will come
 from Obama's broken plan. Also, they can't afford to wait till after 2012 for any kind of help.

you will have to work VERY hard just to do that.

Its beutiful, but good jobs are scarce. Crappy jobs are scarce too.

Its like the rest of America in 10-15 years.

As long as there are one or more hard-working white in Oregon, and the majority of them have inhaled, my statement is true.

Really, though, "hard-working" is one of those stupid feel-good phrases that politicians have to throw around.  It doesn't actually have any meaning.

the sooner we can get about the prime objective, beating McCain.

The more whining and moaning you guys do about what should have been, the harder it will be to win in November.

Yeah, he can charm the pants off you, and a lot of other people.

If by "settle" you mean decide whether to use one of a dozen sane methods, or pick out the one convoluted one that gives her a slim lead, then I guess you have a point.

The pop vote isn't a relevant measure so it's not neck and neck. If it was she could catch up. But she cant. Anyway, if the pop vote was relevant they'd have campaigned differently. However, if you want to use the "will of the voter" argument then you can't discount the caucuses or people who would have voted for Obama in MI and then she loses the pop vote anyway. If you're not willing to count those then you lose the moral basis of the argument.

Russett said after NC and before IN, that he was declaring Obama the nominee and that it was over and indisputable.  

Lawrence O'Donnell said that Hillary's speechh that night was her concession speech but others just didn't know how to read between the lines.

Others were carrying on about how Obama didn't campaign in WV when actually he had sent in double the ground forces Hillary had, spent well over twice as much blanketting the state with ads and opened twice as many campaign headquarters as Hillary.  And that got him 27%, even though he had been annointed for over over a week.

Gloria and others seemed to enjoy discounting the vote because they wer all women, old, conservative,uneducated and poor.  She didn't even read the CNN exit Polls afailable at CNN Election Central for every state.  The exits said that :

58% had college  and voted Hillary 61% - 30
14% had post graduate  - voted Hillary 55 -40
34% were liberal and voted Hillary 67% - 29
13% said very liberal and 72% picked Hillary
45% made over 50,000 and voted Hillary 61% -30
47% male voted Hillary 60% and Obama 30%

Is Clinton Honest? yes 64%  no  34%

Is Obama Honest?  yes 43%  no  55%

18% were Independents - Hillary 54 -32 Obama

Youth 17-29 years voted Hillary 59% - 35% Obama
Age 30-44 voted Hillary 66 - 24 Obama
Age 45-59 voted Hillary 67 - 24 Obama
Age 60 + voted Hillary 71 - 24 Obama

Hillary has been making inroads into Obama's core groups for several primaries, except the Black vote.  She was winning young people of all other races, for instance, and won all youth in California.  She has been getting more male, college, and higher income groups.  The overwhelming solidarity of the Black bloc skews the way the numbers in Obama's core groups in all of the other races.

Now there was some news in those figures. Didn't hear it from the "expert commentators" till John McLaughlin featured what he called "Obama's weakening support"  as shown in the WV primary and other exit polling lately.

My God your comparing Ronald Reagan who appealed to democrats, republicans and independents had a natural charisma and boyish charm to Hillary Clinton? Give it up....she is done.....she continues to run out of both foolishness and arrogance. Members of her own party are becoming agitated by her. It is also be said that if she continues this on past June, that she may destroy any hopes for real leadership position in the Senate or the party as leaders turn their back on her.....and by the way her Husband has pretty much ruined his reputation as well with his behavior.

I love the ridiculous idea that the winner of the nomination would somehow decide to be the VP candidate.  It makes me laugh every time I hear it.  It would be like if the Giants after the Super Bowl said, "Hey Patriots, we know we won and all, but we think you might be a better team than us.  How 'bout you take the trophy?"

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but she can't even manage a campaign. Is McSame tougher than the Clinton machine? That seems to be what you think. If so, and if Clinton can't beat Obama, then Clinton can't beat McSame.