and there are bad businesses.

in this reality anything Hillary said or did before Feb. 5th, 2008 didn't actually happen.

and it it happened after that date well its probably us sexist Obama supporters behind it.

Obama:

Has offered few good ideas about how to handle the current economic crisis.

Cass Sunstein, a constitutional advisor to Obama, told Jeffrey Rosen of the NY Times: "I would be stunned to find an anti-business [Supreme Court] appointee from Obama. There's not a strong interest on the part of Obama or Clinton in demonizing business, and you wouldn't expect to see that in their Supreme Court nominees."

Obama wrote that conservatives and Bill Clinton were right to destroy social welfare,

Supported making it harder to file class action suits in state courts

Voted for a business-friendly "tort reform" bill

Voted against a 30% interest rate cap on credit cards

Had the most number of foreign lobbyist contributors in the primaries

Is even more popular with Pentagon contractors than McCain

Was most popular  of the candidates with K Street lobbyists

Voted against a 30% interest rate cap on credit cards

In 2003, rightwing Democratic Leadership Council named Obama as one of its "100 to Watch." After he was criticized in the black media, Obama disassociated himself with the DLC. But his major economic advisor, Austan Goolsbee, is also chief economist of the conservative organization. Writes Doug Henwood, "Goolsbee has written gushingly about Milton Friedman and denounced the idea of a moratorium on mortgage foreclosures."

Doug Henwood, Left Business Observer: "Top hedge fund honcho Paul Tudor Jones threw a fundraiser for him at his Greenwich house last spring, 'The whole of Greenwich is backing Obama,' one source said of the posh headquarters of the hedge fund industry. They like him because they're socially liberal, up to a point, and probably eager for a little less war, and think he's the man to do their work.

"They're also confident he wouldn't undertake any renovations to the distribution of wealth."

wasn't Obama on the cover of this magazine just recently?

I like Obushma better.

Americans are not known for being a well informed electorate, unfortunately.

But nobody has addressed my points. I am trying to give reasons why the right wants Obama over Hillary enough to do desperate and deceptive things to ensure Hillary is NOT the Democratic nominee who runs against McCain.

The poster a few posts higher brought up a bunch of good points about Obama's center-right pedigree which I think show his real position far better than the deceptive marketing of him as a progressive does.

He is very slick. Don't fall for it.

bargening <----no, it's-----> bargaining

Obama has taken many millions from lobbyists and their organizations. I cannot imagine any voters being more deluded and uninformed than some Obama supporters who believe the lie that he hasn't taken money from lobbyists. It is astonishing that you could be so uninformed.

http://www.sourcewatch.org:80/index.php? title=Barack_Obama/Campaign_Financing

"While pledging to turn down donations from lobbyists themselves, Senator Obama raised more than $1 million in the first three months of his presidential campaign from law firms and companies that have major lobbying operations in the nation's capital," Dan Morain wrote April 23, 2007, in the Los Angeles Times.

The lobbyists who are financing Barack Obama:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit le=Barack_Obama/Campaign_Financing

In Illinois, Obama dealt with lobbyists
But as candidate, he faults Clinton for ties
By Scott Helman, Globe Staff  |  September 23, 2007

When Barack Obama and fellow state lawmakers in Illinois tried to expand healthcare coverage in 2003 with the "Health Care Justice Act," they drew fierce opposition from the insurance industry, which saw it as a back-handed attempt to impose a government-run system.

Over the next 15 months, insurers and their lobbyists found a sympathetic ear in Obama, who amended the bill more to their liking partly because of concerns they raised with him and his aides, according to lobbyists, Senate staff, and Obama's remarks on the Senate floor.

The wrangling over the healthcare measure, which narrowly passed and became law in 2004, illustrates how Obama, during his eight years in the Illinois Senate, was able to shepherd major legislation by negotiating competing interests in Springfield, the state capital. But it also shows how Obama's own experience in lawmaking involved dealings with the kinds of lobbyists and special interests he now demonizes on the campaign trail.

http://www.boston.com/...

Obama, who made a strong floor speech in opposition to the 2005 bankruptcy bill, nonetheless voted against a key amendment that would have put a cap of 30 percent on interest rates. Financial firms, according to Ken Silverstein's much-discussed Harper's article "Barack Obama Inc.," "constitute Obama's second biggest single bloc of donors." You'll find nary a word about the debt crisis on his campaign web site.

http://www.motherjones.com/...

"...it is also startling to see how quickly Obama's senatorship has been woven into the web of institutionalized influence-trading that afflicts official Washington. He quickly established a political machine funded and run by a standard Beltway group of lobbyists, P.R. consultants, and hangers-on. For the staff post of policy director he hired Karen Kornbluh, a senior aide to Robert Rubin when the latter, as head of the Treasury Department under Bill Clinton, was a chief advocate for NAFTA and other free-trade policies that decimated the nation's manufacturing sector (and the organized labor wing of the Democratic Party). Obama's top contributors are corporate law and lobbying firms (Kirkland & Ellis and Skadden, Arps, where four attorneys are fund-raisers for Obama as well as donors), Wall Street financial houses (Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase), and big Chicago interests (Henry Crown and Company, an investment firm that has stakes in industries ranging from telecommunications to defense). Obama immediately established a "leadership PAC," a vehicle through which a member of Congress can contribute to other politicians' campaigns--and one that political reform groups generally view as a slush fund through which congressional leaders can evade campaign-finance rules while raising their own political profiles.

http://www.harpers.org/...

Obama's Money Cartel: How Barack Obama Fronted for the Most Vicious Predators on Wall Street

by Pam Martens

Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages.

[...]

These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall Street. There are five large corporate law firms that are also registered lobbyists; and one is a corporate law firm that is no longer a registered lobbyist but does legal work for Wall Street. The cumulative total of these 14 contributors through February 1, 2008, was $2,872,128, and we're still in the primary season.

[...]

Must read full article:

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.p hp?option=com_content&task=view& id=613&Itemid=1

Hillary is the corporate candidate. That's what her beloved DLC is all about. And the insurance industry LOVES Hillary's health care plan, since it will line their pockets.

wow wow wow.  You do realize that outside of the healthcare industry itself, most corporate types want government-backed healthcare so that they don't have to keep providing it?

The push for Obama by the elite media tells the real story.

Right.

They realize that Obama might be all they can realistically wish for right now. Obviously, the fact that he is 50% black man makes it that much easier.

Getting Obama elected would be IMPOSSIBLE if he was all white. The black community would not turn a blind eye to his shortcomings then.

Really, his candidacy was a stroke of genius by somebody.

None of you would be falling over backwards to respond negatively to it.

Read some of the links that were posted. Those articles make some of the same points I did.

Obama is the insiders insider.

It is a bit sad actually.  

The rabid Hillary supporters have invested way too much in her nomination.

One minute, we're told that Camp Obama is unacceptable because we're really the corporate right, the next minute the same thing because we're a bunch of stinky McGovernite hippies who are too far to the left.

Which is it?  'Cause we can't really be both at the same time.

Welcome to the Twilight Zone. So long as Hillary wins, the regular rules of space, time, and logic need not apply.

It is tough to keep up.

I'd like to see the lingering Obama bashers work this out themselves - maybe conduct a little tournament of bile... The far left, dirty hippie accusers vs. the far right corporatist Reagan zombie accusers.

The problem is that some of them would end up matched up against themselves.

industrial complex to be 'entitlements'?

Some people do.. What about growth in them? They dwarf healthcare and education.

I think it goes back the the "inevitability" of Hillary. A lot of people got on board the Hillary train assured that it would be going all the way to D.C. And now, like a man who curses a rock when he stubs his toe on it, some Hillary supporters (a small minority, I'd say) are cursing the man who prevented her from grasping the gold ring.

Sure...that's obvious from the amount of Michelle Obama/Rev. Wright ads they've run in downticket races.

Anything to help Barack!

GOPs know they can win over Obama, but not sure how to handle Hillary.

Oh, they've been handling Hillary for years -- all the way to her +50% negative rating.

Obama is relaxed, calmly absorbing the (dare I say) desperate attempts by FAUX NOOZE, DRY DRUNK BUSH, Grampy McSame, and the bitter Marshans.  All the while more discerning adults calmly allow events to take their course, confident that the noise will eventually die down, and prepare for the departure of the GOP Administration from Hell.

It's the opposition to Obama which is desperate. The persuasiveness of Obama's message of empowerment and yes, Hope that we can turn this ship if we work together is what has his opponents baffled and pulling their hair out.

Perhaps they will settle down and exit the echo chamber at some point. In the mean time, we'll manage just fine.