Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won't You?

There's a lot of chatter in the blogosphere about Hillary supporters threatening to flee the Democratic Party in droves if Clinton is not declared the nominee at the convention. The argument, as I understand it, is that these supporters feel slighted by Obama, his campaigns, or his supporters, and, as a result, would refuse to support him as the nominee. If you're one of these people, then this is for you. Here's one simple reason why you should support Barack Obama if he is the nominee:

Hillary Clinton will support Barack Obama if he is the nominee.

"I can assure you, as I have said on many occasions, that no matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party, because we must win in November," she said.

Keep in mind, she didn't say this in a concession speech. She declared her support at the same time she declared victory in Indiana. If Hillary Clinton loses the nomination, she's going to stay and fight for Barack Obama, not pack her bags and go home. And do you know why? For the same reason that many of you have been supporting her for over a year.

She gets it.

She knows that this presidential race is about more than just her. She knows that this country can't survive a McCain presidency, and she's putting her country first by making sure that a Democrat--be it her or Obama--is elected president in November.

Are there differences between her healthcare plan and Obama's plan? Yes, but they both want Americans to have insurance, while McCain will let the healthcare industry keep committing murder by spreadsheet.

Did she and Obama occasionally diverge on their support for Bush's Occupation of Iraq? Yes, but they both want to withdraw our troops, while McCain will keep them in harm's way for at least four more years, letting thousands more of your brothers, sisters, and children die.

Does she, as a woman, bring a unique and perhaps superior perspective on reproductive rights than Obama does? Yes, but they're both pro-choice, while McCain will appoint right-wing judges who will overturn Roe, giving the government control over American women's bodies.

Do you really think that Hillary Clinton, of all people, doesn't know the differences between herself and Barack Obama? And yet she has already declared her support for Obama if he is the nominee. She did this because she knows that John McCain is poison for the United States. If he is elected president, he will destroy this country.

Die-hard Clinton supporters, whatever you may dislike about Barack Obama, always remember that he, like Hillary Clinton, is thousands of times better for America than John McCain will ever be. You can point to Obama's ties to Rezko and Wright in the fall, but you should really be pointing to McCain's ties to Hagee and Bush. Hillary Clinton will be doing the latter. What will you do?

True, the rules do say that no candidate is officially the nominee before the convention, but both candidates will go to the convention, and either Obama or Clinton will come out the nominee. Regardless of the outcome, though, I guarantee you that Hillary Clinton will leave the convention with her head held high, and she will proudly begin to do everything she can to elect the next Democratic President of the United States.

If you claim to be a liberal, progressive, or a Democrat, but you're considering refusing to support Obama if he is the nominee, then you don't deserve to have an incredible candidate like Hillary Clinton--a proud Democrat first and foremost.

Hillary will fight for the nominee, so why won't you?

(Cross-posted at CrazyDrumGuy and DailyKos)



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Re: Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won (2.00 / 2)

Because people were mean in an internet debate.


by KyleJRM on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:27:13 AM EST

Re: Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won (2.00 / 2)

That looks pretty absurd in print.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:37:57 AM EST
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Nominee? (none / 0)

Hillary said she would support the nominee.
She hasn't started supporting the Barack yet, because she doesn't yet believe that Barack is the nominee. So why don't we also postpone the discussion till we have a nominee.

by gaf on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:46:47 AM EST
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tip jar (2.00 / 3)

(been here for a few weeks but haven't been able to determine whether this is done over here like it's done at the GOS, so sorry in advance)


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:31:21 AM EST

Re: Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won (none / 0)

He's right, obviously, as is Clinton. They get that this'll be the result of party disunity.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:33:05 AM EST

Re: Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won (none / 0)

because of how she's been treated, i can't support him.

we'll see if she ends up vp, then yes. if she doesn't then no.


by nikkid on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:48:19 AM EST

Re: Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won (2.00 / 2)

So you're going to defend her by making sure the party she fights for and represents loses? After she specifically says as much, and more?

Seems like a strange way to honor someone's legacy of fighting for Democratic ideals, by doing the exact opposite.


by upstate girl on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:51:57 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won (2.00 / 2)

Despite how Hillary Clinton has been treated, Hillary Clinton will still support him.

Why stop listening to Hillary Clinton now?


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:53:46 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won (none / 0)

HRC has repeatedly remarked that this contest has been relatively positive and civil, based on her experience.  She has even suggested that she enjoys the nastiness, calling it the "fun part."  I disagree.  I think this primary has been unnecessarily negative and rancorous.  One thing I prefer about Obama is that he seems to sincerely dislike and reject negative politics, even when he capitulates to engaging in it.  So if she is not complaining about how she's been treated, aside from her narrative of media bias, why does it concern you so much?  Maybe she'd treat Obama with more respect if he treated her worse.  I would respect him less.  Politics should be about ideas and possibility, not a boxing match between two reputations.


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:23:21 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won (2.00 / 2)

If you survived high school any time recently or...ever, you'll see just how hard women work to tear down other women. I've always felt that females are encouraged by outside sources to compete with each other for each opportunity, instead of coming together, rising up and being a real threat. I never imagined that even older women did that, but Taylor Marsh's crew and Hillaryis44 have proven me wrong. Not only do they constantly denigrate and abuse us younger female Obama supporters, but now that we have risen up and pushed our candidate to victory, they are going to both actively and passively tear down our rights as much as they possibly can.

It's high school redux - the head cheerleader just lost prom queen to the new girl, and she's going to rush the stage, snap the tiara and dump dog food down the girl's dress.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:02:17 AM EST

I think the damage as i see it and assess it (2.00 / 7)

is or has been done by our supporters. Some (actually the majority of the folks on DKOS) are political juveniles and they got emotionally involved to an extent that they have totally lost their "bearings."

My mom, a democrat all her life, has a PH.D, one of the first female head of department in the US Department of Treasury, and one of the first female hired (hired in 1968) by the federal agency at the managerial level feels or has felt totally alienated and disrespected by some Obama supporters. She also feels that the press has been against Senator Clinton unfairly (the number of negative columns is just astounding by the way). She knows that i support Senator Obama and she told me the other day that if Senator Obama gets the nomination and Hillary is not on the ticket, she is staying home and she does not care if all hell breaks lose or Roe v. Wade is overturn. According to her she cannot sanction sexism and misogyny. And she strongly believes that.

Please, don't take the fact that Hillary is the first woman seriously competing and seriously making a run for the presidency lightly folks. I went to her rallies and i saw those supporters and they are deadly serious. They might not yell and shout like ours, but they are serious about their support.

Look, I come from a very political family. My dad was a campaign manager and worked on several presidential campaigns and managed several congressional campaigns, i worked on the Dukakis campaign and senatorial one in 1990, my brother is a local official in Missouri, and we have always voted in our family. The first Tuesday of November in our family was like Christmas. We all go to vote then go to a victory (sometimes a defeat) party. Voting is as sacred as going to church in my family. I think if my mother with all this family tradition decided that she is not voting this year, i am afraid that there would a very large number of people, supporters of Hillary, who are going to stay home on election day.

Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri, and Florida are going to be very close races and turn out will be the deciding factor. I don't think we can afford offending Hillary supporters any longer and alienated them. Look, Senator Clinton over this campaign has forged a very tight and very strong base of supporters. One primary after the other, these supporters have shown us that they are very faithful to Hillary and that they have forged a personal connection with her. This is why i always tell my friends who have been calling on Hillary to drop out to be careful with their rhetoric. We actually need Hillary to do it on her own terms without anyone pushing her or pushing her supporters. If there is the appearance that Hillary is being pushed out of the race and literally forced to drop out, i strongly believe that there will be a backlash.

We'd better take seriously those 20 or 25% who say that they will stay home on election day. I think those numbers are a bit inflated, but if only 10% stay home or cross party line and vote for McCain, we can lose several close races and battle ground states and you know what that means.

At this point of the race, i honestly think the only serious way to really unite the party and bring the large coalition that Hillary has put in place during these primaries to our side is to put Hillary on the ticket. Or at least offer her the VP spot publicly.  


by likelihood zero on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:16:31 AM EST

one of the best comments - EVER. (none / 0)

would mojo you 100 times if i could.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:54:52 AM EST
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Re: I think the damage as i see it and assess it (none / 0)

Can you please write a diary on this?


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:36:49 AM EST
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Re: I think the damage as i see it and assess it (none / 0)

Personally, I think those numbers are a little misleading. Once we have a nominee, and start focusing on John McCain and not each other, Democrats will start rallying around each other. I fail to believe that Hillary supporters are deluded enough that they will refuse support Barack come the GE. If you're not going to help elect a Democrat, even if it's not the Democrat you want, then I find it hard to believe that you could ever call yourself a Democrat in the first place.

But, lets theorycraft and say that these particular numbers hold up all the way up until November. Will putting Hillary on the ticket really change anything? Hillary herself already stated that she will fight for the nominee. If that doesn't change your mind, can you honestly tell me that having her as the VP will?


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:40:20 AM EST
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Re: I think the damage as i see it and assess it (none / 0)

I can only talk about people i know and have talked to. For example, my mom and my sister (i forgot to add her in my previous comment) are sophisticated political creatures. Their position is that they cannot sanction misogyny and sexism. If they vote for Obama (Obama here is almost a victim really) they will giving the thumbs-up to, accept or just acquiesce to every sexist and misogynistic comment made on TV, written in column or an article in a paper, or every comments on made on the blogs. They feel that they need to take a stand now so when the next woman run for president, she will not have to deal with all the bullshit that Hillary has been dealing with (come on, calling her a witch and a pimp on MSNBC, what was that about for god's sake).

They also know that Hillary will do her duty as a good democratic and she will campaign for Obama, and they see through all of that, but they will not heed her call. And you cannot question my mom and my sister political commitment, especially my mom. We are Irish Catholics and voting for the democratic party in my family is like breathing air. We don't even think about voting for another party or know another thing than voting for the democratic party; however, there are things, as my mom said the other day, that are greater than her party affiliation and commitment and that is her commitment to advancing the cause of her gender and standing tall against misogyny and sexism, and if she has do that by taking a major step backward, she can live with it. Don't forget you are not talking to some illiterate woman here. My mom has a PH.D in economics and she earned it in 1967 from the University of Chicago(if you know anything about the University of Chicago economics department, you know the caliber of my mom intelligence). So, she knows all the consequences of her actions. She does not need me or anyone else to lecture her on anything. And i can tell you, there are plenty of them out there and they are deadly serious.  

Folks, you need to get out of your tightly-knitted   circles of Obama supporters and talk to other folks. I do statistical market research/analysis and the work force at my small company is about 75% women and 25% men. Most women here are older or just about 40 years old and have kids and husbands and some of them are divorced and all of that. 100% of them graduated from college and some of them have advanced degree in mathematics, economics and sociology, and I can tell you that 99% of them are supporters of Hillary.

For example, this morning after our Friday morning meeting, they were talking about Libby Copeland's article in the WP (good article by the way) and i just sat there and listened, and everyone of them agreed 100% with the article. They are emotionally in tune and in sync with Hillary Clinton. It is something beyond politics, way beyond politics. I have been in politics and i know the fervor of the supporters on our side, but i don't think that there is the kind feeling that i see on the other side. I think Hillary supporters, especially women, know exactly what she is feeling or going through because they have somehow went through the same kind of experience in the work place or in their marriage or family and so forth. I don't think we men (especially not the young supporters of Obama) know or understand that. For those of you who are married you know that when your wife gets with her best girlfriend or sister or mom and sometimes they don't even talk and they just look at each other and cry or laugh or something and you feel that they are communicating at another level that you will never reach. Well, i think this is what i see on the other side.

Anyway, i am just sharing my thoughts here and i am warning people of the danger of undermining the supporters of Hillary.


by likelihood zero on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:01:31 PM EST
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That's a losing ticket. We need another way. (none / 0)


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:51:24 AM EST
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Re: That's a losing ticket. We need another way. (none / 0)

Let us not talk nonsense here. How is that a losing ticket is she guarantee you Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arkansas and put us in serious advantage in Kentucky West Virginia and Florida?

Florida is not going to go for Obama because of the demographic groups down there. It is full of elderly and 65% of the elderly population are women because women live longer than men and plus the Jewish vote is a big factor in Florida. Look at the county-by-county break down in Pennsylvania and Ohio and you will realize what i am talking about.


by likelihood zero on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:08:12 PM EST
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florida isn't voting democratic as long as crist.. (none / 0)

is governor.  to pretend otherwise is to put your head in the (florida) sand.

your mom has a lot of problems and as someone who has elected women to office (and gotten a reputation for it) please tell her to stay away from democratic campaigns.  you infer that she is bright, but this does not come across.  female candidates have to appeal to a broader spectrum than simply the extreme feminists.  please, please, please ask your mother to stay far away from democratic women running for office...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:40:40 PM EST
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Re: florida isn't voting democratic as long as cri (none / 0)

I am sorry to say this, but you have no understand whatsoever how states are won in general elections. There were plenty of republican popular governors whose state went democratic and very popular democratic governors whose state went republican in presidential elections. There is and there has always been a disconnect between governors and how their states go in presidential elections. One is a locally motivated election, the other is demographically and national motivated election. You need to look at the county level and precinct level, not the aggregate picture.

As talking about my mom, let me ask you in the most respectful way: i  ask you to refrain from making any disparaging remarks. I might be an Obama supporter and educated, but if you make another disparaging remark about my mom, as stubborn Irish, i will not be responsible of my reply. Basically, i would rip your head off.


by likelihood zero on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:18:32 PM EST
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lol... (none / 0)

my wife is irish so feel free.  but let's not pretend that your mother has any interest in electing democratic women to office.  i can only assume that your mother can't stomach the political process, but that doesn't mean that democratic women can't.  and i'd surmise that she's alone in her belief that she can blackmail the media into more "fair and balanced" coverage.  an intelligent person would try to think of ways around a sexist media, not how to blackmail it into seeing things her way.  women will never run in a completely sterile environment, and there are women who actually want to be involved in elective politics.  it is absolutely wrong to think that if hillary can't win, then no woman can.

as for your understanding of how elections are won in various states, since i've actually won statewide elections i'll stand by my thoughts.  yes, you're right.  i care about winning.  i can definitely be blunt about it.  your mother's analysis not only promises failure, it sets women back decades as candidates.  they can take it, they really can.  they are not as weak as she perceives.  please, please, please keep her away from competitive democratic women running for office.  they need help, not to feel undermined...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:04:12 PM EST
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Re: lol... (none / 0)

Let's stop from all your nonsensical and erroneous psychological analysis of my mom. You are bad at it and i strongly advise you to refrain from it.

As for winning campaign, i also did win a senatorial campaign in 1990 (besides the work i did in 1988 campaign). And without a doubt you would know, otherwise you are just a prevaricator or you just manned the phones, that we base our analysis on precinct or county-level analysis. We get the maps from all past elections (as far as 5 or 6 cycles and sometimes more) and we superpose them, one on top of the other, and look at how a given precinct or county has gone and why by what margin. Then we look at the level of variation of voter registration and party identification over the past cycles and how that translated into votes. Then we look at income levels, education, property taxes, gender, and even as it was the case in my campaign, high school graduation rates per precinct. Then we try to craft models of possible shifts, movements, turn out, and even voting behavior.  So, it is county-by-county or precinct-by-precinct work. This is why campaign are expensive and always shifting and adapting and  sometimes affected by news cycle. But you would know that, otherwise you are...

As for the weakness of women candidates, coming from you that is pretty pretentious and condescending and reeks ignorance. It is not about weakness, it is actually about showing strength, but i don't think you would ever understand that.

PS: This conversation with you is over. It is a waste of time.  No need to reply.


by likelihood zero on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:37:54 PM EST
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we use computers nowadays... (none / 0)

and i have 8 turnout models that i use.

but i don't doubt that things were different "back in the day."  geodemographics are a mere portion of what goes into targeting (which is what you trying to say).  i was 3 out of 4 of the last us senate campaigns i was involved in.  i won't ask how you did...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:44:17 PM EST
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Re: we use computers nowadays... (none / 0)

We used computers back then too. Don't be stupid. When i said we get the maps out, i was giving you a mental picture of what happens in a campaign. Moreover, you are talking to a statistician and a time-series expert and i would tune it down if i were you unless you have a degree from MIT.

Oh goodness, i am talking to a juvenile with a kid-like behavior. Have a nice day. You know why people don't like us, it is because of pompous asses like you. As the French say, only empty barrels make noise and you are an empty barrel. Geo-demographics, goodness gracious, you think throwing a compound word at me is going to scare me. I analyze people behavior on a daily basis. I make your wife buy the soap i want her to buy, all i need to know about her is her credit score and her educational level. I can derive with 95% CI the rest of her commercial, leisure and even political behavior. I can even tell you what websites she surfs, the car she dreams about having and the one she has in the garage and where she shops and where she dreams to be shopping. I do that for a living and don't think of a second throwing the word model and geodemographics are me is going to somehow impress me. God, you are a pompous ass.

I was nice to you so far, now i tell you to get lost.


by likelihood zero on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:43:34 PM EST
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just for fun... (none / 0)

i'll tell you that i taught non-linear differential equations at mit...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat May 17, 2008 at 07:41:56 PM EST
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Funny (2.00 / 1)

When some African-Americans stated that they'd sit at home if Obama had the most delegates but wasn't the nominee, and when African-Americans talked about how the Clinton's ran a racist campaign, we were ridiculed by Hillary supporters as a) too sensitive and b) trying to hold the party hostage. A remarkable double standard no?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:49:18 AM EST
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in a sense... (2.00 / 1)

the problem here is that it is a fact.  black voters do not participate at the rates that we'd like already.  so an organized effort inside the black community to suppress black turnout is a threat to be feared, simply because we know that it can easily be accomplished.

note that it wasn't barack's supporters who were threatening to "suppress" the black vote, but the black churches.  we were merely communicating the threat.  the difference here is that it is hillary's supporters, and not some non-political organization, that was making the threats.

i think the other problem here is that we stepped into something that never occurred to us.  i had no idea that white democrats thought that racism had ended or that sexism was more of a problem for women than racism was for black americans.  so not only was it a double standard, but it was a double standard covering up something that had been hidden...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:28:45 AM EST
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Re: in a sense... (none / 0)

I was just reading about turnout and it seemed that African-American turnout was just a bit lower than white turnout. But perhaps that was incorrect.

I don't recall seeing any organization threatening to do anything. I just read articles interviewing regular citizens and experts as well as a few leaders saying that's what they were hearing.

I don't think it would take a concerted or organized effort, I think it would just happen. But an organized effort would be devastating to the party for sure.

Interestingly, this seems to be a continuation of the racism (or disregard of racism) present in much of the second-wave feminist movement. It alienated many women-of-color from what I read.  


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:38:57 AM EST
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Re: in a sense... (none / 0)

i don't know what you were reading, but i'd imagine it was averages.  i've seen individual races where black voters felt neglected and didn't turn out.  i've also seen campaigns that didn't do any gotv in the african-american community and suffer tremendously for it.

i have fairly good ties to the black churches.  periodically, i do (volunteer) election-related work through them, such as my trainings for black attorneys on election protection/research in aug/sept of 2004 in florida, ohio and missouri.  one of the black preachers i know was talking about how angry his community would be "if hillary stole the nomination" and what they would do.  i assumed you were referring to those threats.

are we still in "the second-wave" of the feminist movement?  that would make me sad (i have both angry and saddened feelings about racism)...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:54:41 AM EST
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Re: in a sense... (none / 0)

I'm certain it was averages and not an analysis of specific contests.

Those are the threats I was referring to. Though an organized boycott out of black churches would be more effective and devastating no doubt.

Well my SO isn't in the second-wave feminist movement, in fact she ridicules them for their racism and homophobia, but it  seems a lot of leaders of the "outraged" crew are.

Are you doing any election protection work this year? I signed up to go down to Gary, IN but my child care fell all the way through and I couldn't do it. I may do it in IL for the GE though. But  it may not really be all that important in IL.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:37:53 AM EST
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Re: in a sense... (none / 0)

*to be clear my SO is an uber-feminist but she has disdain for the second-wavers and their exclusivity.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:38:46 AM EST
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you're in my neighborhood! (none / 0)

i'm from the south suburbs, to be exact.  election protection will actually be critical all around us.  il-10 (lake) and dupage, for one.  milwaukee, too.  i'm actually not a lawyer, although my involvement in this area has me work with a lot of democratic lawyers.  my angle on this comes from the research end.

voter intimidation and manipulation is actually something that is highly localized.  so i train lawyers to do their research first, to learn the background of voter intimidation in their area and to focus their ep efforts on that.  most lawyers shy away from ep because "it's not their expertise," but it's really no one's expertise.  so understanding that they only need to really learn about the patterns of abuse in their area -- and that they have resources (poll watchers and poll workers) who can help them get up to speed seems to give them confidence.

the other thing i do in my elections is that i get people to document everything.  we arm poll watchers with incident reports and other kinds of forms that allow them to step in when they see something untoward and document it.  i've used these forms in two different ways -- immediately (given them to the press, who can't always get the same info as a person inside the polls can, or to the board of elections -- i've actually had a poll taken over by the boe because of incident reports) and in the future/before an election, when i sit down with the local state's attorney or attorney general's office and point out to them former or patterns of abuse, both calling their attention to it and giving them a head's up that we'll be paying attention on election day.  we've been really successful in preventing abuse with these techniques...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:52:17 AM EST
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Re: you're in my neighborhood! (none / 0)

Cool. I'm up in Dupage right now though I'm from the south side. I'll look into something up here since I imagine it's more likely to be an issue up here than in the city. Though I could be wrong about that.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:10:16 AM EST
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Please be patient. (2.00 / 1)

It really only is May.  We have plenty of time to unite the party.

I am a diehard Clintonista who will absolutely do WHATEVER it takes to get Obama elected if he is the nominee.  Some of my fellow Clintonistas are going to need more time.  I think that calls for unity or questioning why people won't join up are a little premature, especially since Obama has yet to actually win.  In 1992, Bill Clinton didn't lock up the nomination until June.

For now, please be patient.  Our long, primary nightmare is nearly over.  I think enough of us will come around after enough time and healing and we will be a united party.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:42:18 AM EST

Re: Hillary Will Fight For the Nominee, So Why Won (none / 0)

Because I hate his guts.


by grab6 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:10:46 AM EST

This is ridiculous (2.00 / 1)

Here, take a look at this.
http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/ 2008/04/caked-with-comp.html

Can you honestly look at what McCain was doing at the height of the Katrina disaster and still say you won't do ANYTHING to keep that asswipe out of the White House?  Even if it means voting for someone you hate less?

"A McCain supporter asks the Senator "How do we beat the bitch?" The room breaks into uproarious laughter. McCain laughs, too, and while he's doing so, someone else in the audience shouts out, "I thought she was talking about my ex-wife!" McCain laughs again! And then he says: "That's an excellent question."

Grow the hell up.  Politics is not about "loving" and "hating", or at least it shouldn't be.  It should be about doing what's best for the country and your ideals, what best pushes your agenda for the country forward.  

I personally can't stand Obama.  On a PERSONAL level I find him snarky, evasive and smug, and that's just me getting started.  But I know one thing -- at the end of the day he'll be beholding to fellow Democrats and progressive organizations.  He'll be kissing the asses of union leaders, progressive organizations and the people that got him elected.  THAT'S A GOOD THING.

And who will McCain be serving in the White House?  You and me?  The ACLU?  The Sierra Club?  The progressive agenda of Hillary Clinton?

Hold your nose, grow a pair, ask your doctor about Abilify, whateve the hell it takes to vote for Obama in November.  I've been voting for Democrats I can't stand for 30 years -- you can too.


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:28:18 AM EST
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That's okay... as long as you don't have any illusions that you're voting for what's best for your country, but understand that your vote is merely a selfish satisfaction for your own emotions.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:22:53 AM EST
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which is what the founders intended... (none / 0)


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:31:51 AM EST
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the answer is incredibly simple... (none / 0)

hillary has long had a credibility problem.  even her own people don't believe her and they sure won't follow her!  the latter, of course, is problematic.  but it's the former that prevented hillary from catching on (until she was the victim in this primary)...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:29:33 AM EST

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What a cogent analysis.  This is exactly the way to get Hillary supporters on board - insult our intelligence and vilify our preferred candidate.  It's even better when you do within a diary that is so well written and makes the perfect case for unity.

Thank goodness there are plenty of really fine Obama supporters (like this diarist) who know what it means to be magnanimous. Clearly, we can't count you among that group.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:54:02 AM EST
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besides the sarcasm... (none / 0)

it's really up to her supporters to prove the accuracy of the comment.  that's good satire.  but i always enjoy the criticism from people i know haven't contributed as much (money) to their candidate as i...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:58:23 AM EST
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Funny. Clinton supporter on this site have no problem trashing Obama and his supporters but still, I assume, expect them to vote for Clinton should she somehow become the nominee.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:42:11 AM EST
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Have many of you given much thought to what will (2.00 / 1)

happen if we are seen to lose this election because of some sort of Hillary supporter tantrum? Have you considered how much harder you'll be making it for the next woman candidate? Have you considered that Hillary would get the blame for such a loss and probably suffer politically because of it? It really is about more than you. Honestly.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:54:04 AM EST

Re: Have many of you given much thought to what wi (none / 0)

Have you given any thought to how much better your message would come across if you changed your tone?


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:55:09 AM EST
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My tone. MY tone. That's funny. (none / 0)

Really. I try to inject some thought and you don't like my text message tone. Aha.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:05:03 AM EST
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Good for her. She's the woman who I always thought she is- she cares deeply for her family, party and country. I feel no obligation to my party, only to my conscience.


by darwinism on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:33:41 AM EST

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How about your country?


by Same As It Ever Was on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:41:31 AM EST
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If you don't vote your conscience. how can you be proud of your country and your leaders?

if you're thinking about mccain in the white house, remember that the dems will only increase their majorities in both houses this fall. he doesn't get a blank check if he wins. but obama will and it will say that the way the campaign has been conducted was ok. it's not.


by darwinism on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:00:06 AM EST
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Why on earth do you assume that we will increase our seats in the House and Senate if McCain wins the Presidency?  We already hold the Senate by a only a razor-thin margin.  It's actually quite a rare occurence for the party that wins or retains the White House to not have gains in Congress as well.  1992 and the 1996 Senate races were quite anomalous in this regard.


by Progressive Witness on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:21:05 AM EST
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mccain is polling better than republicans in general. the three special elections already seems to foreshadow gains in the House. the open seats rep's are defending in the senate will be tough to hold on to.

is 1988 anomolous too? 1984, despite reagan's landslide win, the dems picked up 2 senate seats.

people seem to like divided govt.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12108778 0413996063.html?mod=opinion_journal_poli tical_diary


by darwinism on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:15:23 AM EST
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You should vote your conscience and if it says more war and death is a good thing then you have to go with that.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:43:04 AM EST
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I'm sorry, but I voted for the dems 2 years ago to end that f-ing war..they have both houses of congress. what have they done? have they stood up to this president? 2 years later, more war and death. so what-f-ing-ever.


by darwinism on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:23:36 AM EST
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Well that doesn't make a lot of sense for a couple of reasons. Not least of which is that putting McSame into office is a guaranteed way to continue the war.

The only way Congress ends the war is cutting off funding. That assumes that GWB is enough of a human not to leave the troops there to die without funding. I see no evidence to suggest that he has any conscience at all and I'm certain he would let them die and blame the Democrats.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:03:40 PM EST
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Hey, I'm right there with ya in that frustration.  The best way to insure ending this war, however, is to put a Democrat in the White House.  The fact that we're split as to which candidate that should be...well, that's how it goes, and it sucks that one side has to go so far into this process to come out in 2nd place.  But only one can be the nominee (even if the other gets the VP slot), and that candidate will need all of our support.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:07:39 PM EST
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Right. But some have insinuated that I will have blood on my hands if I don't vote for obama in November, which is complete bullshhh. The dens were elected on the promise to stop the war, and they didn't come through. So in that respect, the war is no longer my main motivation for my choice of candidate- and I do not have to feel guilty about it.


by darwinism on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:29:48 PM EST
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And the war isn't my primary motivation, either.  I think of this election as an incredible opportunity.  While the Presidential election may be close, I don't think there's much doubt that the Dems will pick up more seats in both houses of Congress, and that presents a great chance to replace retiring Justices with strong liberals, who believe in the right to privacy and the thousand other things that are under attack from the right.  

I know that many Hillary supporters take issue with Obama's healthcare plan.  I do too, in some respects, but I think that with Hillary as VP or as a strong voice in the Senate, there'll be an opportunity to get mandates.  After all, Presidents aren't the ones who write or amend bills.  And if mandates pass, you can bet that Obama won't be vetoing them.  So that's another opportunity we have with a Democratic President.

And, if you care as I do about our standing and credibility in the world, I'm sure you'd agree that a Republican President, who'll continue the war no matter the size of the Democratic majority, would be disastrous.  

I agree that the "blood on your hands" talk should cease.  But it's driven out of Obama supporters desire to unite this party, despite not knowing exactly how to do so.  I suspect that some are swayed by such talk, others would become defiant in the face of it, and so forth.  There's no one way to convince Hillary supporters that, if Obama is our nominee, they should support him.  And on the blogs, where you're dealing with a lot of very intelligent and highly informed individuals, it's tough to craft that generalized appeal to those supporters.  


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:55:23 PM EST
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