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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 3)

Mike Huckabee is a douchetacular douchnozzle.


by unionfield on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:44:34 PM EST

You've got some Fair Use issues (2.00 / 1)

Unless someone wants to explain that copying about 80% of an article verbatim is not an issue in this diary

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/16/2042 0/3675


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:50:10 PM EST

Todd... (2.00 / 2)

...my rec/rate ability PLEASE!!!


I'm Ready For A Good Old GOP & John McCain Ass Kickin'!!!
by hootie4170 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:01:43 PM EST

I may see Howey Dean tomorrow (2.00 / 3)

He's speaking at my NH Democratic State Convention.

If I have the chance I want to ask him...


I was a Deaniac in 2004.  A picture of you with my wife and daughter is on my refrigerator.

How can you allow the press to do to Hillary what they did to you?  Whether you favor her candidacy or not, you of all people, should be disgusted with the treatment.


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:03:12 PM EST

Howie controls the media (2.00 / 1)

No DNC chairman controls the media.  I wish he did, then I could spend my time bloggin about the Yankees.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:35:21 PM EST
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Most DNC chairmen.. (2.00 / 3)

...don't even get much facetime in the media.

I don't think I even saw Terry Mac's face until after his ouster.

Arguably Dean gets more press because he's Dean, but even so being chairman isn't all it's cracked up to be.

It's all about party and not about policy and so many people want Dean to rail on policy so bad it stings.  But he can't.  He has a party to build and by all accounts he's done a great job of it.

Go Dean!


by DawnG on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:07:05 PM EST
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Re: Howie controls the media (2.00 / 3)

It is a very, very strange idea that the DNC chair controls the media.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:10:06 AM EST
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Re: I may see Howey Dean tomorrow (2.00 / 2)

How can you allow the press to do to Hillary what they did to you?  Whether you favor her candidacy or not, you of all people, should be disgusted with the treatment.

You mean prolong her candidacy months after it was realistically over?  

I wish they gave Howard Dean the same red carpet treatment they gave Hillary to extend his primary.


by LordMike on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:05:55 PM EST
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Re: I may see Howey Dean tomorrow (none / 0)

Yeah really, how could you allow the press to crown her as inevitable before the first voter cast a ballot?


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:51:18 PM EST
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Excellent (2.00 / 1)

Let us know what he says.


by dbrown04 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:05:21 PM EST

Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 4)

Todd, what's up with two diaries defending Bush today? Are they not getting reported?


can't rec, can't rate, par for the course
by upstate girl on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:25:00 PM EST

Today feels like the first day of the General Elec (2.00 / 1)

One sure sign, Hillary has disappeared completely from the D-Kos Rec list.


"we have the most radical president we have ever had, leading our country right now, and he is completely uneducable." - Seymour Hersh
by Lefty Coaster on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:43:48 PM EST

Todd; a question about process, please.. (2.00 / 1)

Late last night I was reading a diary in which a poster was asking questions about why so many people left the large orange and I found myself writing a long answer, so I expanded it and spent the rest of the night getting it into the diary format and posting it. It created a modest discussion which I appreciated.  Never would have been that give and take on the large orange;it would have just been bombed and swamped.  That was the point of coming here.

I just looked back over some other diaries I had been reading and commenting on today.  Usually my comments get no rating or a 2 or a couple of 2s and none or a couple of replies.  Nothing much.  Suddenly today I found that my comments on other diaries had been troll rated 12 times and hidden once.  Once comment got 2 2s, 2 1s and a zero. jess81 trolled me 4 times, deano963 3 times, bottl4 twice and once each from spacemanspiff, auronrenouille and willis reed.  Don't know who the zero is from.

I make mistakes, of course, but I try for discourse and try not to be snippy or rude or profane, and I ,like many others here, have made an effort to raise issues and subjects that I think the party needs to be ready to deal with and tried to encourage us to be less pushing at each other and going for the snippy retort and more digging up and sharing research, and trying to encourage accuracy in the media and sharing with each other about those efforts and offering support to candidates all the way down ticket.

I noticed in several diaries that people who still make positive comments about Hillary or try to discuss negative aspects of Obama's candidacy and what might be done about it now and in the general, are subject to a lot of accusations of being Republican trolls and down rating. Disagreeing and arguing are how we learn and refine our understanding and action, but I'm not talking about discourse or frank discussion of problems that need solving. I mean dismissal and the absence of discourse.  Sniping, jabbing and breaking up the discussion.

We used to see a whole lot of that at the orange and it got really worse.  My question is what is the expectation of the owners here about interacting with and rating? And how are people who receive or give a lot of troll ratings effected in their standing with the site?  Some of the posters are promising that all the dems who want to stay with Hillary till there is a vote or someone concedes will be purged here.  And that people who find that they can't work for Senator Obama, and there are a lot of them here, but would like to work down ticket very hard to get the best and biggest majority in the state and federal legislatures against the feeling that McCain may win and we would be working through the Congress and State Houses to get progressive values expressed into policy and law. Some here think that the Senate is the best protection against bad Supreme Court choices, if we can get Senators to vote for fair judges instead of folding to the Pres.  Also a strong Congress (can't believe put those words together)feeling some progressive heat might be a lot of help to shore up an inexperienced president.

So are members of mydd welcome to stay here if they are not yet or ever enthusiastic about Senator Obama but very enthusiastic about working for progressive government, downticket races and  active encouragement of the Congress and media to forward progressive values?  


by itsadryheat on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:56:58 PM EST

Re: Todd; a question about process, please.. (2.00 / 1)

I barely troll rate. If I did. You deserved it.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:22:41 PM EST
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I question that (none / 0)

seeing many of your TRs today.  


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:28:03 PM EST
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Re: I question that (2.00 / 3)

Have you seen the quality of the diaries today?

Between yesterday and today the diaries have bordered on the paranoid and ludicrous. The comments have been hateful and racist. The trolls around here have been launching smear after smear.

I've seen you rec the most pathetic of the smear jobs.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:31:58 PM EST
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Re: I question that (2.00 / 3)

agreed on both counts...


I'm Ready For A Good Old GOP & John McCain Ass Kickin'!!!
by hootie4170 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:33:27 PM EST
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funny (none / 0)

you've got a pot-kettle problem as well as living in a glass house. Have  you ever taken the time to see what kind of hateful comments you make?  You love a fight, I can tell that.


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:52:17 PM EST
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Re: funny (2.00 / 2)

Yeah I did...and I actually wrote a diary about it today and apologized and thanked Hillary...

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/16/1819 29/735#commenttop

Check it out....


I'm Ready For A Good Old GOP & John McCain Ass Kickin'!!!
by hootie4170 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:27:46 AM EST
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Please get off your high horse (2.00 / 1)

Not only do you have the inability to comprehend bias. The intellectually bankrupt diaries and talking points you spout just smack of hypocrisy. But go ahead


by SocialDem on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:30:39 AM EST
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again (none / 0)

your perception, not mine.  


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:50:27 PM EST
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Re: again (2.00 / 1)

Coming from you, this comment means...

Nothing.

Have a nice day!


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:59:39 PM EST
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Re: Todd; a question about process, please.. (2.00 / 1)

But there in line is the problem. If you are unwilling to support our nominee for president this isn't your community. Once Hillary concedes this blog will be centered on electing Obama, thats just the game.


by Cheebs on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:33:42 PM EST
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Withering criticism (2.00 / 2)

I have found that at certain times of the day that the number of provoking, angry, insulting comments, and the "ganging up on" and trollrating or hiding comments made by HRC supporters is really withering.  I am beginning to avoid mydd during these hours.

the nature of the criticisms, jokes, and snarky comments is deeply distressing.  No HRC supporter can put anything up on this site without the merciless troll rating and arguments.

I feel now like I felt about dkos, and I see a lot of dkossacks over here. I left kos before others did, and now I am distressed to see the same behavior here. Thoughtful well reasoned diaries are hijacked or the diarist insulted.

Thanks for listening.


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:35:29 PM EST

Re: Withering criticism (2.00 / 2)

2 pro George Bush diaries.

1 diary accusing Obama supporters on this site of being paid bloggers without any evidence to back it up.

At least 3 or 4 diaries trashing Obama with right wing talking points and most of you following their lead in desesperation.

2 G.O.P. moles posting diaries. Chitown Denny and Michael Begala.

The comments on most diaries? Ridiculous. Take a look and compare the Obama supporters and the Hillary supporters.

For the most part we have moved on yet the insults have only intensified from Hillaryland. Take a stroll through the diaries and stop complaining and playing the victim.

The evidence speaks for itself.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:43:05 PM EST
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this is the kind of comment (none / 0)

that ruins your credibilty.  You have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about.

stop complaining and playing the victim.

I don't play the victim game.  

This is the kind of ridicule and unnecessary comments I'm talking about. You have proved my point in every comment you've made on this post.


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:54:52 PM EST
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Re: this is the kind of comment (2.00 / 1)

You would love to think that.

You are playing the victim card. You've done it at least twice in this  open thread alone. I would love to stay and chat but you are not a Hillary suppoter I particulary admire.

It would be fun if we could post my comments and your comments side by side. It would be fun if we could put my T'rats and your T'rates side by side. It would be fun to compare mojo as well.

You will not twist words to your liking or try to. This is not a game and if it was I would not play it with you. I have no clue why I even engaged in this conversation with you.

This passive agressive nonsense on your part is painfully obvious to everybody even if you don't think it is. Nobody is falling for your "victim" role playing game. Because you have a serious credibility problem, as in, you don't have any.

Stop following me around. Please?


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:16:52 AM EST
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Here are some examples (2.00 / 1)

A diary discussing the media and Obama ignoring Clinton's WV win and its implications.  I have removed the names of posters:

Response:
Bug off (2.00 / 1)

Too many attacks to take on one at a time. Just take this whole shtick somewhere else.

Here's another one:
Re: Bug off (2.00 / 1)

Your entire diary is nothing more than opinion backed up without a single fact or source. For the kind of stuff you're spouting, that's past irresponsible and into either trolling or a compulsive need for the soapbox to put said opinions on a public pedestal.

Here's another, after the diarist tried to satisfy questioners with information:

Re: Bug off (1.50 / 2)

Oh, that's hilarious. Keep it coming. Its just not worth linking to your sources? You don't even care enough about what you're talking about to "appease" people with some sort of proof you're not a ranting troll? You don't even care about the veneer of accuracy or logic, this diary is an excuse to fight and you just admitted it.

can't rec, can't rate, par for the course

And here is the diarist's exasperated statement after being troll rated and ridiculed:

[new] Re: Bug off (none / 0)

I have lost faith that I will EVER be able to convince ignorant and anctimonious people like you that I am not a Republican troll. Why should I waste my time trying to convince people like you of that simple truth? Again, if this were  a pro-Obama diary, it would probably not have been t rated so many times. You just cannot accept differing opinions and there lies the root of your problem.

the pattern is the same: accuse people of being racist, republican, a troll, an idiot, stupid and unthinking. This is almost entirely from Obama suporters.  


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:48:53 PM EST
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Re: Here are some examples (2.00 / 1)

Did you even read the diary?

The diarist refers to Obama as BHO.

As in Barack Hussein Obama. Repugs do that. I have never seen
a Hillary supporter do that.

The sad part is that you are so desperate for anything anti-Obama that you fail to see things that are so obvious.

Besides the obvious BHO the whole diary is a joke.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:53:25 PM EST
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Re: Here are some examples (none / 0)

Actually he calls him Barack Hussein Obama in the diary itself...last line..


I'm Ready For A Good Old GOP & John McCain Ass Kickin'!!!
by hootie4170 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:01:46 AM EST
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Re: Here are some examples (none / 0)

I've seen several HRC supporters use the BHO initials. It may not be pretty, but I think HRC supporters do use it.


by forecaster15 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:05:09 AM EST
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Re: Here are some examples (none / 0)

actually they call him barry, i know it was his childhood nickname, but i don't know why they call him that.  check out redstate (i like to see what the opposition is up to) and you'll notice it's always "barry this" barry that


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:06:47 AM EST
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inaccurate (2.00 / 1)

I am a loyal Obama supporter.  I and many others use BHO as shorthand.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with this.  cf. GWB and HRC.  It's shorthand.  We shouldn't be afraid that people will find out his scary secret middle name.  Transparency is key.  

I'm not sure why you wouldn't have noticed but people on all sides use that shorthand to refer to him constantly.


by semiquaver on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:19:12 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:35:52 PM EST

oops, hit the button twice! (none / 0)


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:36:48 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 2)

Obama and the South:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/us/pol itics/16south.html?_r=1&partner=rssn yt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

The GOP is scared!  Very scared!  Hillary may own Appalachia, but Obama is going to make the GOP have to fight in the deep South.


by LordMike on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:08:18 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 2)

Oh, and this is why the supers shouldn't override the will of the voters and disenfranchise black voters:

One expert on African-American politics, David A. Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, called those numbers "almost astounding." Black turnout also shot up in states like Maryland, Virginia and Louisiana, even after Hurricane Katrina had driven many Louisianians out of state.

Larry J. Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said: "This is going to encourage the purplization of red states. It's going to make red states purplish over time."


by LordMike on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:14:23 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 9)

I am a long-time lurker, rarely comment.  I am an Obama supporter in South Dakota.  I started at Dailykos and found my way over here from there.  I do find that at MyDD, there is often better discussion because we don't all agree.  I welcome that, but I do find that people are absolutely hateful to one another in their comments, and I don't get it.  Does anonymity give us the right to treat each other like shit? How will we win November with either of these candidates in the place we are now?

On a happier note, I was sitting in my yard talking to my neighbor today.  She is a 70 year old woman, devoutly Catholic.  She was weeding her garden and mentioned that she was just taking a break from her "Obama campaign." I was floored.  In South Dakota, any time you meet a democrat who wants to talk about it is a great day, and I don't expect to find many among my neighbors.  Here I have been sitting around watching MSNBC and reading blogs, and she's been making calls and canvassing the neighborhood. She got me off my butt and I've been making some calls.  So, thank you, Veronica, for you work to help elect a democrat.  What an inspiration!


by bittermom on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:32:33 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

Nice to meet you bittermom :)

It's a similar situation here in rural Wisconsin.  I get excited when anyone wants to talk politics, especially when I find out they're a Democrat.

I live in "the ugly green house on the corner with all the Obama signs."  When I'm out in the yard, I'll get a comment or two.  Admittedly, my children are a little embarrassed about all of the signs though.  I have a sign in every window facing the street--and living on the corner we have a lot of those windows :)  

Keep on working! :)


John McCain smells like mothballs.
by asherrem on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:56:04 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

welcome bittermom!  I'm an Obama supporter and kos refugee too.  I like the fact that there are plenty of HRC supporters here and I also like the size of the community here.  It has made for much more interesting discussions.

I live in Oakland CA, so it's kinda hard not to find Democrats around here ;-)  I did grow up in Western Michigan though and spent 15 years in Arizona, and so I can completely relate.

I think MyDD will 'normalize' in another month or so.  Once the primary fight is over, the Dem-against-Dem topics will morph into Dem-against-Rep GE topics.  

I do think the anonymous nature (and the ease of hitting the Post button) make for higher levels of tension.  I know I've posted a few things that I felt were a bit petty and stoopid later.  Anyway, I think we're due for better days around here soon.


It's just the beat of time, the beat that must go on
If you've been trying for years, we already heard your song
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:05:18 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

That's good to hear.  I'll do what I can to gain support for the dem nominee in SD (there's always HOPE right?), but I'm counting on all of you out there in the more progressive states to come together and beat McCain!


by bittermom on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:25:29 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

sd?  cool, i go to USD,, (you're not a jack rabbit are ya?  the coyote jack rabbit feud is a million times worse than the hillary/obama kerfuffle :) )


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:10:01 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 1)

I went to school in Greeley, Colorado, but my brother will be attending law school at USD in the fall.  My parents both attended SDSU, so we are familiar with the fued.


by bittermom on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:15:24 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

I give you some phantom mojo.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:05:47 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Have you updated the delegate counter since WV?


by jelyfish on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:02:56 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Thanks!  


by bittermom on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:03:42 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Recently recorded outside of a White House restroom.



Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:30:00 AM EST

hello are there live people here right now? (none / 0)


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:58:42 AM EST

I'm Here (none / 0)

FWIW

But I usually lurk.


by xeju on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:06:15 AM EST
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I hear there are a lot of robots around here (none / 0)


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:59:09 AM EST

Let's dance (none / 0)

I am a fan of funk and beautiful singing and killer guitar.  I hope that when all is said and done, we will be able to dance together on our way to the polls in November!



Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:10:54 AM EST

Re: Ponies, Cows and K Street (none / 0)

http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:29:29 AM EST


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