John McCain's Hamas Problem

Unforced errors tend to do in campaigns...

Two years ago, in an interview with James Rubin for Sky News, Sen. John McCain expressed a willingness to negotiate with the terrorist group Hamas -- the very group that McCain has been relentlessly using to smear Sen. Barack Obama over the last several weeks.

Rubin has written an op-ed in Friday's Washington Post about his exchange with McCain, and The Huffington Post has obtained exclusive video. Here's the key excerpt:

RUBIN: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?"

McCAIN: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."

You can watch the video of the exchange over at HuffPo. Suffice it to say that this one stings for the McCain campaign, both because of the nature of the major flub and because it's not the first time that the candidate's words have come back to bite him. In fact, it has become quite common with McCain to act like he is holier than now, whether on Iraq or campaign finance or some other issue, only to be outed not only as fallible, like any other human (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), but also as cynical, hypocritical, conniving, and overly ambitious -- in other words as just the kind of power-hungry career politician willing to say anything in the hopes of winning an election that Americans hate (which is not such a good thing).

On the issue of Hamas, in particular, because this exchange between Rubin and McCain was caught on tape and it isn't ancient history (just three years ago), this line of attack is now off the table for McCain and the hard right. They simply have no credibility on the issue. What's more, by harping on Hamas from here on out, those on the right would only serve to remind Americans a) that McCain will flip-flop his positions for political convenience, and b) that McCain was recently in favor of reaching out to Hamas. To this end, it's hard for me to think of anything else that could have emerged on this topic that could have been more detrimental to McCain.



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Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

I saw that at HuffPo a little earlier. Straight-talk, my ass.


by DPW on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:42:35 AM EST

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Best line of the night (morning?)

"Holier than now"

Best line of the day (tomorrow)

Whichever sentence has the best stammered expletive in McCain's attempt to deflect. I'm going to hope he calls Jamie Rubin an "ill-born doxie" but I may just be making another age joke here.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:46:44 AM EST

Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

It's funny how McCain's speech earlier today (which would have produced some favorable coverage for him, probably) was completely overshadowed by his dumbass powerplay on Hamas/Iran (mainly because his words were tied to Bush's original screw-up remarks). Instead, you've got folks like Ed Rollins even conceding that McCain screwed up.


by DPW on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:47:53 AM EST

Johnathon is on a roll tonight (2.00 / 3)

writing awesome FP entries.

Very nice job.


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by Student Guy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:55:17 AM EST

Re: Johnathon is on a roll tonight (2.00 / 1)

In the zone.

This is good stuff.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:07:52 AM EST
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Re: Johnathon is on a roll tonight (none / 0)

This and his lobbyist problem. I'm giddy thinking how easy this is going to be.  Each day he has to fire one of his campaign members for shady ties. At this rate, John McCain will be gone from his own campaign.


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:20:08 AM EST
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Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

My other favorite things about McCain's comments:

It comes the same day as his "In the year 2013" speech, a remarkable joke of a speech that I think was buried in the news as a gift to him. But the idea he can see into the future 4 years, and have no recollection of his opinions 3 years ago...

That said, I think it was Jonathan? Josh Marshall? Some blogger who should earn more money pointed out that McCain tends to think in absolutes -- and make mistakes based on that. I believe the reason postulated was ego -- but I really am wondering now how strong his memory is.

I mean, the Shia/Sunni thing (I have a hard time believing he didn't ever know), his campaign finance shenanigans, his lobbyist connections, whether he voted for Bush and the like... I mean, if you ever once believed in sitting with Hamas, surely you'd remember that just a little bit before going on a whole "Hamas-endorsed candidate" thing.

The saddest thing is, listening to McCain's full comments, he's closer to right than we've heard a Republican being on diplomacy in ages. Anyone who goes from "right" to "wrong" and then gets all preachy about it deserves comeuppance -- even if I feel slightly guilty mocking a guy who may be pre-alzheimers.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:58:39 AM EST

Boy, I just read the original article (2.00 / 1)

My inclination is to say, "He's done. Take him out of the oven." This is a huge gaffe. It reinforces all of the right wing suspicions about McCain. How does he recover from this?

And of course, there will be many more where that came from.


by drmark on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:26:48 AM EST
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Re: Boy, I just read the original article (2.00 / 1)

McCain is the gift that keeps on giving. It's hard to have been a maveric and now a Bush wannabe.


by Politicalslave on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:24:01 AM EST
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Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

Now let's see if this gets amplified through the cable news spin cycle like Obama's comment about bitter working class people. The press seems to use absolute discretion to decide what is entertainment worthy vs. what is not.

It would be joyous if this took up the next 72 hours and emerged as a major issue on the Sunday talk shows. But I'm not holding my breath.


by drmark on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:04:44 AM EST

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That why we need to amplify it!


by animated on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:10:55 AM EST
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They better make a great advertisement out of this.


by AlexScott on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:05:21 AM EST

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This is a gift from the gods. Especially given that he not only says we have to deal with Hamas, he actually suggests the Palestinians were justified in electing them.

I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.


by animated on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:12:39 AM EST

Anyone think it's funny? (2.00 / 1)

That we are attacking McCain with comments he made in the past, that are less insane than what he is saying now?

McPander To the Crazy Right Wing Now:

I bite the heads of kittens and puppies.

Democrats OMG Look what McCain has said in the past!

Past McCain:

Puppies and kittens are cute, I can't believe anyone would hurt them.


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by Tumult on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:28:32 AM EST

Re: Anyone think it's funny? (none / 0)

He's trying to take the "serious hawk, peace through strength" position vis-a-vis Obama's pragmatic policy of diplomacy. In the past McCain supported diplomacy too. But when Obama took the diplomacy position to a higher level McCain figured he could sink him for naivete. Turns out McCain's just a hypocrite.


by elrod on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:09:36 AM EST
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Re: Anyone think it's funny? (none / 0)

There is something bizarre about attacking a candidate for having been not bat-shit insane as recently as a few years ago, but I think the angle is much less "OMG, he once held positions that weren't crazy!" and more "HaHa, McCain is a craven liar twisting in the wind! Even he doesn't believe the things he says."


by letterc on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:01:06 AM EST
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Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

Time to donate to the DNC! They need to make an ad out of it, or this will never see the light of day.

By the way, Jonathan, what makes you think that this makes the Obama-Hamas attack "off the table for McCain and the hard right?" When have they ever thought twice about dishonest attacks before?


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:30:18 AM EST

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I upped my democracy bond contribution today.


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:08:08 AM EST
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Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (none / 0)

By the way, Jonathan, what makes you think that this makes the Obama-Hamas attack "off the table for McCain and the hard right?" When have they ever thought twice about dishonest attacks before?

The all-time exemplar of this was the Mel Martinez vs. Betty Castor Senatorial race in Florida in 2004, where the right-wing idiots kept attacking Betty Castor because, as President of the University of South Florida, she failed to fire Sami Al-Arian, a tenured professor, back in the mid-1990s when the Tampa Tribune accused him of having ties to — wait for it — Hamas.

Okay. So she didn't fire a tenured Professor (against whom no criminal charges had been filed) back in 1995 or so.

By contrast, her opponent, Mel Martinez, had introduced Al-Arian to George W. Bush and invited him to the White House, several years later (obviously), in both 2000 and in 2001.

In anything even remotely resembling a logically consistent universe, that would pretty much take Al-Arian off the table as a GOP talking point in the election, right?

Hahahahahahaha. Riiiiiiight.

If Karl Rove were caught eating babies tomorrow, the GOP would be airing an attack ad by next week accusing Barack Obama of having ties to Karl Rove.


by Ray Radlein on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:27:40 AM EST
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It's great to see these diaries about McInsane. Hopefully his free ride is finally over.

I hope people realize that because there are fewer comments on threads like this it doesn't mean there are fewer readers.


by Nomo Clintons on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:05:13 AM EST

Top editorial in WaPo (2.00 / 3)

This is the front page editorial in the Washington Post, by the way. It will get HUGE coverage tomorrow.


by elrod on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:10:11 AM EST

This guy is relentlessly stupid (2.00 / 1)

It's a Macaca Moment a minute with McCain.


McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.
by obsessed on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:21:04 AM EST

Re: This guy is relentlessly stupid (none / 0)

And to think, one Macaca moment helped get Jim Webb elected...

I like the Democrats chances in November. =)


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by Massadonious on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:14:09 AM EST
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Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 2)

Jonathan,

You're the reason I'm still go to mydd. Keep up the great work!


by gcensr on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:12:07 AM EST

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everyone please go to the washington post article and click on the 'email this' link. that will help keep it on top of the front page.


by BluePearl on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:23:33 AM EST

Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

Excellent!  Once we can all focus on McCain that will bring us together.


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by TrueBlueMajority on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:33:21 AM EST

Re: Gabby McSame (none / 0)

I think it would be wise of Mr. Straight Talk to straight shut-up once in a while...


by zadura on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:06:21 AM EST

Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

It's 8:10 EST and CNN just said they are going to show it after the break.

When I first saw this I thought "well this won't see the light of day." I'm thankful that I appear to be wrong.

This needs to be shown over and over and over.


by PSUdan on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:13:23 AM EST

Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

Call me cynical, but I have doubts whether this will end up being a big or major story with the MSM. They are McCain's biggest friends. I heard that MSNBC talked to Rubin about his story. Otherwise, I don't see any mention of this on the CNN or MSNBC websites. Maybe it'll come up, but you can sure bet that if Hillary or Obama had said what McCain did, it would be major headlines already. Weak on foreign policy, bla, bla, bla... But the media has already made up it's mind that John McCain is strong on foreign policy. It's going to be up to folks like us to try to actually push the true facts about John McCain to the MSM.


by oden on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:17:10 AM EST

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Well, if CNN is showing it this morning, maybe it will have some legs. I hope I'm wrong about this as well. I just have my doubts whether or not this will turn into a major story or just one of a bunch of stories.


by oden on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:19:10 AM EST

Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

CNN had the reporter from Sky News on and he hammered McCain pretty hard, calling him out for "dirty campaign tricks."


by PSUdan on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:21:42 AM EST
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The dirty little secret (2.00 / 1)

about McCain is that he's really, really, not that great of a campaigner.

His 'maverickness' relies on short, staccato bursts of attention...

Put him in the middle of a long campaign and the truth becomes painfully evident -- he's just not that strong a candidate.

He got to fly under the radar through most of late 2007 and early 2008, when the press gave him up for dead.

He seized control of the GOP contests quickly - but there was also this race on the Dem side... The GOP dutifully fell in line quickly behind McCain.

Can John McCain stand up to 6 months of scrutiny?

No way... He's not a disciplined candidate.  He's gaffe prone.  He goes off message.  He's got anger issues.  His party's base is lukewarm - at best - about him.

John McCain is bon-bon... tasty in small doses, but you definitely don't want to try to subsist on a diet of bon-bons.


by zonk on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:45:10 AM EST

Re: The dirty little secret (none / 0)

That explains why I've been getting more and more queasy listening to him the last couple of months. He's probably rotting out my teeth, too.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:47:10 AM EST
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But wait, I thought McCain was such a ridiculously strong candidate that we were all doomed if Obama wins the nomination...


by HSTruman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:06:09 AM EST

Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

Obama doesn't have to beat McCain. All he has to do is stand there while McCain self-destructs.


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:57:18 AM EST
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Anyone want to start a poll surmising how many times we're going to see this clip between now and November? I'm on board with 25,000.


by vermontprog on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:07:29 AM EST

Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

Hopefully, someone in the mainstream media will cover it.


by unionfield on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:34:21 AM EST

I don't think this McCain comment is that bad (none / 0)

he didn't really say we should sit down and negotiate with Hamas.  I'm not stupid and I understand the implication of what he said, but it doesn't work as a "gotcha" because all he really said is "we have to deal with Hamas one way or another" and implied that this would mean sitting down with them.


by snaktime on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:50:37 AM EST

Re: I don't think this McCain comment is that bad (none / 0)

It's enough to contradict what he said yesterday in and of itself, but when in response to the question he had just received, it's more damning. I liked John McCain once. Too bad he made the same mistake Giuliani did and thought that he needed to be a Republican to win.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:04:36 AM EST
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Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

So maybe the White House press corps should ask Dana Perino if Bush was talking about McCain when he made his remarks to the Knesset.


by kaleidescope on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:11:34 AM EST

Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (2.00 / 1)

That is hillarious!  What I wouldn't give to see that.


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by edparrot on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:22:38 AM EST
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Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (none / 0)


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:16:10 AM EST

Re: John McCain's Hamas Problem (none / 0)

Frankly, I agree that we do have to deal with Hamas.  We forced their elections in the hope that the other side would win... and then Hamas won the majority.  So now we look like idiots since we were behind them getting elected in the first place.  


by JustJennifer on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:20:08 AM EST


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