On recing diaries

by Jerome Armstrong, Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:18:27 PM EST

On recommend diaries, or the lack there of. At the beginning of the year or thereabouts, the ability to recommend a diary was tied to the ability to rate a comment. Through the abuse of ratings -- troll rating comments that are not against the guidelines -- users lose their ability to rate, and therefore, they lose the ability to recommend diaries.

Also, when you are a "new user" you don't have the ability.




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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 3)

Jerome,

That sound fair, except I have never TR'd a single diary ever.  

You all have access to our history I assume, so if I'm wrong by all means say so but I'm quite confident I have never TR'ed anyone or broken any other TOS rule.  


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:22:52 PM EST

Not Diary (2.00 / 2)

I meant to say I have never TR'd a single post ever.  

Never insulted another poster
Never insulted a candidate
Never spammed a diary

The issue is something beyond TR caused loss of recommend ability.  


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:26:56 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 3)

We know, but it's a selectively enforced rule.  

Almost everyone abuses the TR function from time to time.  Obama supporters are always operating as if they were on their last warning.  Others are given leniency.


Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.
by Agent77 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:30:07 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 3)

Hard to tell, as ones ratings are erased when they abuse them, but I've changed yours.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:32:50 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 4)

Why not just change everybody's.

None of this will matter if they cease to become active users.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:41:13 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

See what's happening here? None of the substantive issues are being answered. Some people are having their ratings restored downthread, and go compliant and gushy. Yet they will continue to live in fear. Screw this for a progressive blog. I don't want my rec or ratings restored in this quisling fashion. You've been a stalwart George, and stuck up for other people rather just than for yourself. You're an example to us all, the kind of guy I would want my kids to emulate. So onward and upward, and here's to Obama's victory in November. With people like you supporting him, he'll have no problem. If you don't see me around here again, you'll still have my unseen support


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:34:20 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Same here.  Thanks for carrying the flag.  I've just been lucking since my rec/rate privs were unceremoniously removed.  Must have offended someone big.  I'm usually quiet.  Was a TU for a while.  Kind of remember HRing some of the more nasty Hillary supporters' comments.  Tried talking to several admins, but I'm not important enought to be talked to.

Tis ok, though.  It will be a good campaign over the summer and fall.  Looking forward to commanding majorities in the House and Senate, and a nice White House of Obama and whomever he chooses.


Guess I HR'd someone that I shouldn't have (wish I knew who/how/why, but no admin will talk to me). Have a positive thought instead.
by Robert in WV on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:53:07 PM EST
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how does that work? (2.00 / 1)

losing the ability to rate?

is it based on a logarithm?

is it based on moderator intervention?

both?


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:45:52 PM EST
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Re: how does that work? (2.00 / 1)

You mean "algorithm."

You of all people, Al!



McCain
by Black Anus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:14:22 PM EST
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D'oh! (2.00 / 1)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:50:00 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Any chance of an amnesty?  I haven't a clue what I did to lose my privileges.


by Same As It Ever Was on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:24:16 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

Does this explain it?

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/15/1 81827/066/83#83



McCain
by Black Anus on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:45:15 AM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the info.

Earlier in the year, either you or Todd mentioned that new users would not be able to rate or rec, or maybe even post for a limited time. Can you clarify what the limitations are on new users (if any)?


by LakersFan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:23:14 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

I don't know the exact settings, its something like a week passes first.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:33:24 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

I can speak from experience. It's a week to rec, less to rate. I think.


by Falsehood on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:58:15 PM EST
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I was able to rec and rate (2.00 / 2)

within an hour of signing up.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:41:37 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

thanks for the explanation.


by denniswine on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:23:25 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

Thanks. I thought this was the case.


by Falsehood on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:25:20 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Numerous people have lost the ability to rate and recommend despite hardly ever handing out troll-ratings.  In fact, most of them lost it the day Bob Johnson's diary was removed from the rec list, contrary to your claim that it is done on an individual basis depending on how the user rates other people's posts.

There are some serial TR abusers here who skate by.  You can tell who they are because every comment they zero-rate gets rescued by several other people.


by Skaje on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:31:00 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Well, we both know why you lost yours.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:34:21 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Haha yeah I deserved it.  Not sure about everyone else though.


by Skaje on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:38:58 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

It's so easy,  make one action against hundreds, and then blame it on Bob Johnson and Skaje.

What are we republicans?  Were not that dumb.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:49:13 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Skaje has his rating powers back because he 'asked nicely'.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:13:14 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

Is there any truth to this theory?

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/15/1 81827/066/83#83



McCain
by Black Anus on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:47:00 AM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

Im a hillary supporter and can't remember when I could rec diaries.

Any chance of getting rec'ing powers back?


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:58:12 AM EST
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Who is Bob Johnson? (2.00 / 1)

I am new to MyDD.  I missed this diary but I see people referring to it a lot and to this user as well.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:45:52 PM EST
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Re: Who is Bob Johnson? (1.85 / 7)

Bob Johnson and his dog are an ascerbic duo that have a strong following on the Great Orange Satan.  Bob was one of the few "known" Dkossacks that stuck it out on MyDD.  Sometimes he was witty, many times irreverent, but he felt that it was his duty to try to represent Obama supporters fairly.

I knew he was going to catch it for that diary the moment I opened it.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:25:50 PM EST
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Re: Who is Bob Johnson? (2.00 / 1)

Oh, wow. Sychotic, you were just TR'd by one of the biggest (and possibly most blatant) trolls on this board. Uprated. And perhaps this would be a good time to ask Jerome why relatively new users -- who've had almost every comment they've ever made TR'd or HR'd by multiple people -- are allowed to downrate others.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:35:21 PM EST
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Re: Who is Bob Johnson? (2.00 / 1)

I asked that very question in a diary earlier today. No one gave a satisfactory answer.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:20:00 PM EST
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Re: Who is Bob Johnson? (none / 0)

Thank you.  At the risk of opening a can of worms, would it be possible to summarize what the diary was about?  It's piqued my curiosity since I've seen so many references to it.

Also, if you wouldn't mind helping me fill in another information gap...

I wasn't reading blogs earlier this year.  Dailykos was not a place I was reading regularly anymore and it took me a while to get used to other more balances blogs (this one being my favorite).  On youtube, I was doing a search one day for campaign related stuff and saw that Larry Sinclar video.  I read an article that it made mainstream media in Puerto Rico but not in America.

I've never seen any refernece to it on any blogs and am wondering if it's been thoroughly debunked while I wasn't reading blogs.  I'm not sure whether it's something people aren't aware of or whether it's something that caused an uproar and then was discredited.

Thanks for the feedback so far. :-)


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:31:19 PM EST
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Re: Who is Bob Johnson? (2.00 / 1)

You can still read the two Bob Johnson diaries in question. The first one:

Clinton backers behind deceptive robo-calls aimed at blacks

That one made the rec list and then was knocked off. Then he did a second one:

TPM on deceptive robo-call story

I didn't actually know the banning had taken place until later.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:39:28 PM EST
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Re: Who is Bob Johnson? (none / 0)

Bob said he wasn't banned. He said his posting rights were suspended until he accepted a warning, and he wouldn't accept it because he believed it to be unwarranted. Larry Johnson did the same thing at DKos when he stopped posting.



McCain
by Black Anus on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:49:47 AM EST
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Re: Who is Bob Johnson? (none / 0)

Thank you.

I was reading MyDD in April, and I remember that diary.  I guess being new here I didn't notice the individual user name Bob Johnson.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:32:16 AM EST
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Thanks, Jerome. That explains a lot. It would (2.00 / 2)

be good, though, if someone could add the concerns of many people here who claim they've never even TR'd a comment and have lost the ability to rate and/or rec, such as nextgen above.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:32:13 PM EST

Re: Thanks, Jerome. That explains a lot. It would (2.00 / 1)

Add me to the list...

Can't say I neer TR'd a comment... I wouldn't be surprised if I TRd blatant racism.  But I', neither new, nor a TR abuser. I am an Obama supporter. And I have been critical of this site when it is deserved.  I have acted no different here than at Kos or Talk Left.  So... let's do the tally.  Jeralyn banned me because I disagreed with her posting a Rove attack on Obama (without comment and with implicit agreement); MyDD took away me ability to rate a couple of months ago; DailyKos has allowed me to speak freely and rec posts and diaries.

Let me commenting history at all three places be the judge.


by dannyinla on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:12:43 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

I can rate and I cannot rec. I have only given one negative rating in the duration of my time here.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:34:19 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Has to do with duration.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:37:00 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Really?

As in how long we've been registered at MyDD.  Do you care to tell me how long I've been registered here?


by dannyinla on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:16:10 PM EST
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And it never comes back? (2.00 / 1)

It's been a couple months now, and I've gotten a fair amount of mojo.  But I lost rec/mojo privileges after the account was a few days old, and never saw them again.


by McNasty on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:39:57 PM EST

Re: And it never comes back? (none / 0)

Did you recommend a diary that was removed from the rec list?

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/15/1 81827/066/83#83



McCain
by Black Anus on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:53:20 AM EST
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Re: And it never comes back? (none / 0)

spam


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:01:00 AM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Which was Bob Johnson's diary?  I lost my ability for recing a diary, but it may not have been the same one.


Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.
by Agent77 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:41:32 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

The one which basically called Hillary a racist because she (or rather, people in her campaign) was conspiring to "keep black people from voting". Or some nonsense like that.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:45:40 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Oh, I didn't rec that one.

There was another diary critical of site administration that I recced.  Diary - gone.  My reccing ability - gone.


Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.
by Agent77 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:49:53 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

Yeah... I'm careful not to rec things like that. I've never had any problems, anyway. I've only gotten one warning, and it was richly deserved.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:52:25 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 4)

Sricki, you know we all love you.

But there in lies the problem.

WHY should anyone FEAR reccing a diary?

The big word here is FEAR,  we are on a liberal blog and have to fear being liberal?!?!


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:58:52 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Well, for one thing, I have no reason to rec a diary that calls out Jerome/Todd/whomever (I don't think Obama supporters have a problem with Jonathan) because I've been unaffected by all the things other people are complaining about. A lot of those diaries also have a pretty harsh tone, too, and I no longer rec anything that isn't positive about Democrats, informative, or full of GOP-bashing.

And I know it sucks for people to have to be so careful about what they recommend, but I'm not inclined to buck the system. It's Jerome's site, so he can do what he wants. I do wish, however, that he was a little more transparent about it -- like, if you lose your ability to rate/rec, I think you ought to know why. And I think you should also know when/if you'd be getting your privileges back.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:30:43 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 3)

sricki, the answer as to why you still have your ability is in your sig line.

And because you're incredibly reasonable, but so are half the people who've lost theirs.


Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.
by Agent77 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:07:46 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

I know, but I spend a lot of time defending Obama, too. I think most of the Hillary supporters around here dislike me. I'm almost as bad as an Obama supporter to them, and I have no idea how I come across to the mods.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:17:40 PM EST
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Speaking for myself, sricki, I could never (2.00 / 3)

dislike you. I may sometimes disagree with you, but most times I think we agree. I admire that you defend Obama when you feel it necessary...


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:04:55 PM EST
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Re: Speaking for myself, sricki, I could never (2.00 / 1)

Thanks. You've always been one of the reasonable ones, and I'm grateful for that. We have some really crazy/mean people around here.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:14:41 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

Where did you get the idea that the rest of us dislike you?


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:36:02 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Well, not everyone, but I've gotten the impression that a lot of Clinton supporters sort of think that defending Obama and saying that you like him is kind of... a betrayal, or something.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:56:16 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

I don't know who you've been talking to, but whoever it is sounds less like a Hillary supporter and more like a troll to me. Obama isn't my favorite candidate, but he's light years away from McSame. I have Hillary sign in my window right now. If Obama is the nominee, I'll put up the Obama sign. But I'll still be a Clintonista!  :-)


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:20:20 AM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

Thanks for that, Denny. You've always been one of the most respectful Clinton supporters here. I wish everyone could be more like you. If Obama's the nominee, we'll support him, but we'll still be Clintonistas at heart.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:23:01 AM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 3)

Sricki.I never even had a warning. And as a Hillary supporter, have I ever struck you as an abusive Obama supporter? And yet I've now talked to a dozen overt McCain supporters who have the ability to troll and hiderate me, and I have no such powers. This is not about troll abuse or intemperate comments. A larger principle is at stake - and on that principle I'd wager, the legitimacy and reputation of MYDD.

Noone who comes here wants the group think of Dailykos. They thrive on dissent and reasoned argument. But if that dissent is fixed, if the vote is rigged, and one side - and it is predominantly one side - selectively disenfranchised, then the whole principle of direct democracy collapses.

It's a storm in a tea cup. It's a meta issue. But it's also a fundamental principle, and the general wrongness of what has happened is deterring many from this famous site.

In the short term, there might be more site traffic. People love watching a car crash. In the longer term, it's a disaster, the possibility of understanding alternative points of view, of having the kind of mind opening dialogue we have had, will be lost.

I'm happy to be called a whiner in defence of that.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:14:20 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

I've never seen you say anything rude or disrespectful. No one who behaves the way you do should be penalized, especially since you've gone out of your way to (re)build bridges with Hillary supporters.

I do think there are some people Jerome should ban. I'm sure we'd all love to submit a list to him. We have racists and Republicans running around here, and some of them get HR'd all the time (yet nothing happens to them). He banned some of the worst offenders awhile back, but it wasn't nearly enough -- I bet a lot of them are coming back under new user names, though.

At the risk of being banned myself, I'll go ahead and say that I think there's a clear bias, and I'd like to see that change. Some people I really liked have either been banned, or have left on their own because they felt they'd been treated unfairly. I don't want Obama supporters to leave. There's nowhere else to talk to them (as a Clinton person). The environment is still toxic at dKos, so I stay out of candidate diaries when I'm there, and I never mention who I'm supporting. Hillaryis44 and NoQuarter are full of racists and lunatics, so this is really the only place where both sides can talk.

I do hope Jerome displays a bit more leniency toward Obama supporters. The fact that I can find plenty of reasonable people who are backing Obama (but not nearly enough of them to overwhelm me they way they do at dKos) is the main reason I come here. If I wanted to, I could safely spend all my time at the Great Orange Satan as long as I didn't mention Hillary, but I'd really rather be here. I like the fact that it's smaller, and I like the diversity of viewpoints on the election. And if Obama supporters didn't feel like they were walking on eggshells, site traffic would increase, which would be good for Jerome as well as the community at large.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:00:22 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

Have some phantom mojo. Well said.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:35:19 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Thanks. Have some real mojo because I'm a Clinton supporter and therefore haven't been penalized (yet).


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:58:12 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

This may be the reason:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/15/1 81827/066/83#83



McCain
by Black Anus on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:54:52 AM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Never read that one. Did read one about allegations that a women's rights group was making confusing calls about registering for the primary versus the GE in NC. I suspect it's all been cleared up now though.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:22:10 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Technically, I think that's the same one -- though there were actually two. But Bob specifically said it was racially motivated and that the Clintons and/or the people in her campaign were trying to disenfranchise African Americans.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:34:13 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

We read different diaries, clearly, even if they had the same words. And I note your silence about my comment just above.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:39:37 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

No, I had to go do something. I responded.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:00:53 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

And how are we reading it differently? In Bob's diary:

The piece documents similar efforts to disenfranchise African-American voters through deceptive calls in previous primary states.

And Bill Clinton and the Clinton campaign and its surrogates and supporters want to claim that the Obama campaign is "playing the race card?"

While Clinton backers are trying to disenfranchise black voters?

How did you read it?


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:12:28 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

Where's the rest of it? Playing the race card, as I've said countless times defending the Clintons, does not a racist make. And why single out Bob Johnson's diary for some kind of smear attack, when it was backed up by links with creditable newsagencies. I don't believe the allegations, but I'm not such an idiot not to need my own mind made up for me. Bob is a difficult, truculent writer, but he abides by the source rules. And remember EVERY OTHER rec list diary was accusing Obama of playing the race card, most sourced from candidate websites rather than news sources.

I don't want to go back over that particular issue, which is actually connected to some more complex commercial factors. The principle of 'letting us make our own minds up' and 'calling out the diarist ourselves' is what is a stake. To attack that diary in this context is a bit like saying, while watching people burning copies of Satanic Verses, well, it was a crap novel really. How do we know it's crap if it's burnt to cinders.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:22:33 PM EST
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Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 0)

I didn't say Bob deserved to be banned for it, or that people who recommended it deserved to be punished. Nor did I even say that it should have been removed from the rec list. I just pointed out which diary it was because someone asked. And I wasn't smearing him--

Wait, are you talking about what I said or what Jerome did? In any case, I wasn't trying to smear him, I was just saying that the diary implied (and at one point explicitly said) that people in the Clinton campaign were intentionally disenfranchising African Americans. And I linked to the rest of it in my comment above. You're right, people don't need others to make their minds up for them. I don't know why Jerome removed it from the list, and I don't think the people who recommended it should have had their rec/rating abilities taken away. And yes, there was a lot of unsourced crap on the list which should have been removed (there usually is), and Bob's diary was obviously singled out.

You sound really angry. Are you mad at me or at the admins? I certainly didn't intend to offend anyone. I've said before that the site lost a valuable asset when Bob was banned.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:53:08 PM EST
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Wow I thought (2.00 / 1)

"the Bob Johnson dairy" was the one that talked about the site and how some stuff gets to stay up on the rec list...


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:45:55 PM EST
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Re: Wow I thought (2.00 / 1)

As I said, there were two. I'm not sure which one people got in trouble for recommending.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:01:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wow I thought (2.00 / 1)

Both.



McCain
by Black Anus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:18:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wow I thought (2.00 / 1)

Wow, your user name is Black Anus. That's creative.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:00:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wow I thought (2.00 / 1)

This is the one I was talking about, though.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:13:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks for the link (2.00 / 1)

I was at home farming when that diary went up.

I think it was over the line.

WVWV was a good 'guy' (using guy in the figurative sense here) back in 2006 getting people to vote, over on Dkos Adam B got specific questions answered by WVWV and in my opinion they were just incompetent.  They aren't an arm of some shadowy Clinton organization.  Obama has ties to the board too.  I know I've been chided about linking their due to its sexism, but over at Chris Bower's site there is a good defense of WVWV.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:38:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks for the link (2.00 / 2)

I'm not sure why Jerome reacted the way he did to that diary. Some people on dKos were trying to link him to that group. I have no idea whether he has anything to do with them, though. I'm pretty sure it was ultimately established that all of that was a mistake, and certainly not intended to specifically disenfranchise AAs.


Support forced pregnancy? Vote John McCain 2008!
by sricki on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:11:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 3)

Is there some reinstatement process?  I haven't had that ability since early February, and honestly I have no recollection why that might be.


by rfahey22 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:41:42 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

I'M FREE!  HALLELUJAH!

Seriously, thanks.


by rfahey22 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:07:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

Free at last! Free at last! :D


by animated on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:12:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

But the mental chains still stay.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:36:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 3)

Jerome,

I've never troll rated anyone, nor do I even get into heated discussions here, and was stripped of my privileges some time ago without warning. Can I have my account privileges restored? I'm a big fan of this site, but inability to fully participate makes me want to come here less often.


by animated on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:44:50 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Yeah - what (s)he said.


by dannyinla on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:18:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why (2.00 / 7)

Why does a PROUD REPUBLICAN  who Troll rates ALL THE TIME get free reign on this site

His name is ChitownDenny,  he campaigns for John McCain and is a welcome member to this site.

Here is his website:
http://777denny.wordpress.com/
http://777denny.wordpress.com/
http://777denny.wordpress.com/

Also, dont believe the nonsense, if you read the threads EVERYONE said they lost their REC privledges after reccing diaries.

When you are a new user you do not have "Trusted User Status".   Now the afflicted are still "trusted users" that can not rec.

Please read this thread for realism and no spin on this matter:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:47:46 PM EST

Re: Why (1.00 / 0)

I haven't laughed so hard in a while.  Thanks for the giggle.


Have you seen my site, 777craprepublicanblog? No? Try 777smear.
by ChitownDenny on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:55:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (2.00 / 3)

No please, dont leave Denny.

We need people like you to show off the weak democrats we have.

you do serve a purpose.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:56:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (2.00 / 1)

So Jerome,  did Denny just commit TR abuse right under your nose, in this diary and the front page one?


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:59:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (2.00 / 2)

Such a graphic example of breaking the guidlines one could not imagine.

This has happened to me regularly in the last two months. Obviously republicans have trolled and hide rated me (powers I never use except in cases of abusive racism or sexism). I've fought to keep this site clean of freepers, and have exposed a number of trolls, including Pagan Power two days ago.

And yet I'm the one who is penalised. And McCain supporters go unpunished.

The world turned upside down


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:05:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (none / 0)

How could anything happen to you for two months when you have been posting here for just over a week?


by souvarine on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:25:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (2.00 / 1)

Time flies when you're having fun


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:31:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (none / 0)

May I suggest that if you ever sign up for another username, let it be "duodenum." Then we can team up.



McCain
by Black Anus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:20:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (2.00 / 2)

Can't I be larynx or something higher up the alimentary canal?

I was thinking of Mandelstam or Mayakovsky would be more appropriate.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:26:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (none / 0)

Wouldn't "V" work just fine?



McCain
by Black Anus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:46:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (1.00 / 0)

Make up your mind.  Are you calling me a Repub or a Dem, not that I care either way?


Have you seen my site, 777craprepublicanblog? No? Try 777smear.
by ChitownDenny on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:34:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (2.00 / 2)

You repugs are desperate. That blog of yours is pretty sad.

Is that all you got?


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:01:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why (2.00 / 2)

Seen that guy. Very suspicious. Stirs shit and gets Hillary supporters riled up for amusement. Has started some pretty nasty flame wars.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:59:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 3)

I haven't been able to rate for weeks, and I almost never used 1, I usually only used it when I wanted to mojo someone.

and it strange to be able to lose it forever or how it seems and have no explanation as to WHY I lose it.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:47:56 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

I was banned with no explanation.  The last thing I did was hide rate a comment from someone who said the Obama adviser was connected with Hamas-which wasn't true.


United we stand, divided we fall.
by mefeck on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:59:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I can rate and recommend (2.00 / 1)

sometimes I cannot rate though. I'm not a 100% sure but it might be a computer issue as opposed to a site issue. Last night I ended up logging out (on firefox). Tried to go back to mydd, but got nothing. Blank page. Cleared cache and history. Still nothing. Ctrl F5. Nothing. So, much to my dismay, I logged in using IE, and there it was, I had my rating capability back.

This site has some caching issues is what I figured.

Now question, can someone "over-mojo"? As in, if you mojo a lot, does it hurt?


_____________
PUMA: Perverse Undemocratic McCain Adherents
by lizardbox on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:51:37 PM EST

Wow (2.00 / 1)

This answered EVERYTHING, now I am going to Rec this.....


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:57:46 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 7)

Jerome

You know what happened two weeks ago. You banned a dozen people including Bob Johnson, and then removed the reccing powers of many more. The majority had not abused the site guidelines but had merely recced his and Mumphrey's diaries which you bounced from the rec list.

It's so transparent that you do yourself more favours by admitting it, than pretending it had to do with trolling or hide rating. If that was the case, then these people who would turned up as trollers in the hidden comments section. But it was an entirely different cross section of the MYDD populace.

So fair is fair. It has been a difficult time, and I can understand you need to make sure the site wasn't swarmed by the blogosphere majority of Obama supporters.

But in the process you deprived the reccing powers of some long term users, and its an insult to their intelligence and their contribution to your site not either to:

a) Just restore those powers and help MYDD to restore its natural equilibrium now that the primary flame wars are nearly over

or

b) Just admit that this is no longer a community, with bottom up powers of self regulation and promotion, but a top down editorialised blog, answering to the agenda of its owner.

I'm actually hoping this is a temporary aberration, and that you will actually big big enough to go with option a). I think you'll find a lot of the vitriol towards you and this site will disappear.

But there may be other issues at work, and I don't rule out b)


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:01:16 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 3)

Here's an invisible mojo.


Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.
by Agent77 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:11:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

Through the abuse of ratings -- troll rating comments that are not against the guidelines -- users lose their ability to rate, and therefore, they lose the ability to recommend diaries.

Would the same hold true for up-rating a comment that was against the guidelines?  Cause I see that constantly.


Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:04:14 PM EST

Thanks! (2.00 / 2)

Jerome,

Thanks for both posting this and for responding to the comments.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:19:07 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 4)

Wow.  Jerome reinstated my rating and recommending ability.  I have to say, I'm actually kind of shocked, out of all the people here, I have the least claim to being unfairly hit, I lost mine because I zero-rated Jerome in his Preening Obama post.  

Obviously, my opinion of Jerome and his site has significantly changed with this.


by Skaje on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:22:19 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

I'm so happy for you. Solidarity rules. Especially when fighting for crumbs from the emperor's table


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:28:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

Jerome has reinstated 2 other people in this thread who just asked nicely.  Yeah, this site still has major problems, but with the primary wars ending soon, it looks like Jerome is at least making some kind of effort to listen.


by Skaje on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:40:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

So if I ask nicely, then I'll have my privileges restored?


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:10:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Perhaps Jerome knows whose been naughty (none / 0)

and whose been nice in the past... say... two months... as opposed to... say... the past one week.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:45:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Perhaps Jerome knows whose been naughty (2.00 / 1)

Hey. How long have you been on this site?

I was here four years before the Bob Johnson saga.

If this is your idea of direct democracy - well good for you. Enjoy that solipsistic slide into self-congratulation and irrelevance. I'll be watching the inevitable.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:53:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Perhaps Jerome knows whose been naughty (none / 0)

"I was here four years before the Bob Johnson saga."  You forgot the one little tidbit about being BANNED before you returned as sockpuppet "duende."


by Caldonia on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:21:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's exactly what I was referring to. nt (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:47:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Naughty? Compared to you (2.00 / 1)

Loved your last diary by the way, asking for dozens of MYDD Obama supporters to be banned.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/5/10271 8/9499

There's no better indication of the weakness of someone's arguments than their inability to brook dissent.

But hey, we know what happened with that kind of politics over the last four months.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:59:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So, what R all your other usernames, past/present? (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:48:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

Would that be under you banned name?  Or your sockpuppet name?


by Caldonia on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:19:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

your, not you


by Caldonia on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:19:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (none / 0)

Unfortunately, probably not.  I really don't know why I got mine back.  I suggest ask them to give you back your old account once the primary wars are over, they'd probably be willing.


by Skaje on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:28:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for addressing this issue. I do not feel I ever abused the rating system or engaged in any untoward conduct, yet I am unable to rec diaries. I could point to many regular users who are regulars on the hidden comment page for good reason who are able to rate and rec. One of them has never, ever given a rating above '1' to anyone - how is that not ratings abuse?
What can I do to regain my "mojo"?
Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:23:16 PM EST

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

Jerome,

Many people are suspicious because they lose their powers without any warning.  Why can't you make it simple and  have an email/warning handy to send to these people if they've crossed whatever the line it is to lose their rec/rate powers


by reggie23 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:25:21 PM EST

Because that would spoil the surprise. (2.00 / 3)

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security."


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:10:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On recing diaries (2.00 / 2)

So what is the recourse if you lose your ability?
And you might want to add an explanation of it to new users. I have no idea if I abused mine or not, since I didn't think things listed "mojo, troll, hide" were things anyone took seriously. I actually thought they were like sections or something to the site.

Not that it matters since all the controversy be done soon...


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:30:51 PM EST

One peeve: (2.00 / 1)

The button "Who's recommended this diary ?" should be changed to "Who has recommended this diary ?" ... I can hear my middle school English teacher cringe every time I click on that button =)

And thank you for hosting a wonderful site !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
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