Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned

In a stunning 4-3 decision, the California Supreme Court has ruled today that the ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional making it the second state after Massachusetts to allow gay couples to legally marry.

From calitics, the majority opinion concludes:

in light of the conclusions we reach concerning the constitutional questions brought to us for resolution, we determine that the language of section 300 limiting the designation of marriage to a union "between a man and a woman" is unconstitutional and must be stricken from the statute, and that the remaining statutory language must be understood as making the designation of marriage available both to opposite-sex and same-sex couples.  In addition, because the limitation of marriage to opposite-sex couples imposed by section 308.5 can have no constitutionally permissible effect in light of the constitutional conclusions set forth in this opinion, that provision cannot stand.

So what does this mean going forward?

Plaintiffs are entitled to the issuance of a writ of mandate directing the appropriate state officials to take all actions necessary to effectuate our ruling in this case so as to ensure that county clerks and other local officials throughout the state, in performing their duty to enforce the marriage statutes in their jurisdictions, apply those provisions in a manner consistent with the decision of this court.

Wow.

As you'll recall, in 2004, Mayor Gavin Newsom of San Francisco authorized the issuance of marriage licenses to same-sex couples. 4,000 couples were married until they were halted by the...you guessed it...CA Supreme Court. A stunning turnaround in 4 short (although not short enough) years.

But as Lawyerish rightly points out, this is not the end of the fight. The anti-equality forces won't go down easy and in fact have already submitted a ballot initiative calling for a constitutional amendment limiting marriage to between a man and a woman. If it does make it to the ballot, it won't be until November where millions of motivated Californian liberals will be turning out in record numbers; in other words, I think the good guys just might win this one.

To his credit, Arnold Schwarzenegger has come out against it and reiterated his opposition in a statement today:

"I respect the Court's decision and as Governor, I will uphold its ruling. Also, as I have said in the past, I will not support an amendment to the constitution that would overturn the state Supreme Court ruling."

Word is that licenses will begin to be issued within 30 to 60 days. This is a huge day for equality and for all Californians. And it gets us closer to the day when the issue of gay marriage won't be perceived to be radioactive by our presidential candidates.



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Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (2.00 / 2)

Shamelessly pimping my own diary on this subject

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1320 24/475


by Lawyerish on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:46:19 PM EST

Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (2.00 / 2)

Gavin Newsome had a Lot to do with this. You know, he's the guy Obama refused to have his picture with. Whatever Gavin's troubles since his stand for gay marriage, he struck a huge blow for civil liberties and for the Consitution with his stand on gay marriage.


by linfar on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:46:24 PM EST

You are right.. I take back what i said about him. (none / 0)

It was just the timing during the last election that bothered me.

Also, his chumminess with lots of nasty real estate developers who are destroying affordable housing in SF.

Sure they build some (a tiny number) of 'affordable' units which teachers, policepeople, firemen, and other well connected poor folks can sometimes get into, but then they can't afford the maintainance fees and they lose them.

Its a jungle out there...


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:06:59 PM EST
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Re: You are right.. I take back what i said about (none / 0)


It was just the timing during the last election that bothered me.

Newsom is and always has been a catspaw for the Gettys.

The Gettys themselves make an overt show of supporting Democrats -- the Obama fundraiser at which the "bitter" comment was made was at their residence.

But in San Francisco socialite circles, it's difficult to be an out conservative Republican without it causing difficulties. I suspect there are quite a few purely nominal Democrats among SF's wealthy elite who know on which side their bread is buttered when it comes to taxation, and who quietly work towards GOP goals when they can.

Having that flood of SF gay marriages being solemnized in front of the TV cameras in early 2004 was a giant shot in the arm to the GOP nationally. It helped keep Chimpus Maximus in the Oval Office. And the timing was entirely at Newsom's discretion.

Note also that it was a giant setback for GLBT couples in other states by galvanizing that year's ballot measures to keep marriage het-exclusive.

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by marquer on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:06:57 PM EST
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Re: You are right.. I take back what i said about (none / 0)

Funny. When I saw the couples lined up outside San Francisco city hall, I felt something I hadn't felt since I stood in front of my television watching the Berlin Wall come down.

And something more than that. Something I hadn't felt again until yesterday.

When I started reading the ruling, I had to walk away from my desk after I got to the "bottom line" and realized what the ruling was saying. The emotional impact was too much.

I finally felt a little more like an American. I felt the way I imagine my parents felt when they heard the news about Brown v. Board of Education, after living with Jim Crow all their lives.

I've heard candidates and elected officials say "I have a vision for America and it includes you," or say that they support equality, but their words don't often yield results.

In California, yesterday, thousands of same-sex couples -- because of Gavin Newsom's actions, and because of the activism of the gay community in California and national organizations -- have rights and protections that they didn't have before.

Would they have been better off without this ruling?


Terrance Heath
Washington, DC
http://www.republicoft.com
by TerranceDC on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:06:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Both responses make a lot of sense.. (none / 0)

Thank both of you.

Me, when I last lived there, I voted for Matt Gonzales.

Newsom's black shirted crew struck me as a little scary.


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:40:29 AM EST
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It is a good day to be gay! Yea for us! (2.00 / 2)


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:48:10 PM EST

Re: It is a good day to be gay! Yea for us! (2.00 / 2)

It's a good day to be American in general, but congratulations to you!  It's been way too long in coming.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:16:00 PM EST
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Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (2.00 / 3)

I would love to see thousands of gay marriages between now and November, with pictures in every paper in the state of happy gay couples celebrating after finally being able to get married.

My congratulations to everybody who has fought this battle for years, and especially to Mayor Newsom!


by markjay on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:48:37 PM EST

Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (1.00 / 4)

as right as I think this is, I really hope that this doesn't hurt us in the election this year. This is the issue which killed Kerry, as a plurality of 2004 voters chose moral values as their issue, and all went to Bush. We don't need another bs issue to take our election away. Obama needs to distance himself from this issue, and do what Kerry didn't do: make it clear to all of America he doesn't love gay marriage.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:48:38 PM EST

You can't be serious! Obama already has (2.00 / 2)

distanced himself from this by not wanting his picture taken with Newsome. This is really bad though:

We don't need another bs issue to take our election away

So my rights are a "bullshit" issue to you. Nice...


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:52:12 PM EST
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Re: You can't be serious! Obama already has (none / 0)

no, I believe gay marriage should be legal, but I mean I hope this decision isn't used to malign our candidate's "values" and I hope it doesn't become a big political issue and cost us like it did to Kerry in 2004. Gay marriage, as a partisan political front page issue cost Kerry the election in 2004


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:54:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You sure aren't giving your candidate (2.00 / 1)

much credit. I thought he had the ability to bring us all together, to open our eyes to a new kind of politics where we are all in this together. Maybe I've wrongly assumed that his fantastic oratorical skills would help to enlighten enough Americans that the mouth-breathers can be defeated. I guess it's ok to throw the gays under the bus for political expediency though.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:14:48 PM EST
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Re: You sure aren't giving your candidate (none / 0)

Rumarhazzit, you do understand that DiamondJay has been among the most fanatical anti-Obama and pro-Hillary people here, don't you?


by Aris Katsaris on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:54:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, I do realize that now. It was the way the (none / 0)

comment was written that really through me off:

We don't need another bs issue to take our election away. Obama needs to distance himself from this issue, and do what Kerry didn't do

In any case, it doesn't change the thrust of my comment.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:29:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oops! Make that, "threw." (none / 0)


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:35:17 PM EST
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Re: You can't be serious! Obama already has (none / 0)

The commenter means BS as in, that fear of gay people marrying is a BS ploy by right wingers.  


by LordMike on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:13:22 PM EST
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Re: You can't be serious! Obama already has (none / 0)

Ah yes. We're back to the "important shit" prioritization strategy, which puts my family's equality far down the list.

Don't get me wrong. I support the Democrat's agenda from health care to the war in Iraq to economic justice, because I care about the common good.

I'm just waiting for the common good to include my family.

Waiting our equality to finally rate as "the important shit."


Terrance Heath
Washington, DC
http://www.republicoft.com
by TerranceDC on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:10:07 AM EST
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Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (none / 0)

Hillary supporters need to understand.

It's not 2004 anynmore.

This issue will not resonate with the voters anymore... the republicans have no credibility on this, or any other, issue.


by LordMike on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:14:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You should reread the comment you are (none / 0)

replying to. He is speaking about Obama, not Hillary. Thanks for the condescension though.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:18:28 PM EST
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Re: You should reread the comment you are (none / 0)

Yes, he is giving Obama Hillary Clinton style DLC advice...

The DLC is a dying religion... that is something that Hillary herself refuses to to understand.  


by LordMike on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:40:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks, but now I'm really confused. How are you (none / 0)

going to explain the fact that Obama doesn't support gay marriage either. IOKIYO...


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:53:36 PM EST
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Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (none / 0)


It looks that way from surfaces and emotions, but that doesn't really seem to have been what swayed the swing voters.

Exit polling shows that they decided on just three issues.  'Fighting terrorism' and 'social issues' pulled to Bush, 'the economy' to Kerry.  They went to Bush by about 2:1, which decided the election.

The real Republican mandate on social issues in 2004 was in the elections to Congress- the 5 or 6 seats gained in the Senate.  There was, however, no shift or initiative involving gay marriage- the FMA went nowhere, that was an issue in 2004.  The change there was was the net replacement of O'Connor by Alito, and that led to the outcome in Carthart v Gonzalez.

IOW, the net national social issue result of the loud 2004 election fighting and voting about social issues ended some minor restrictions on abortion.  The anti-choice people are bitterly disappointed and say that the Carthart majority opinion changed almost nothing.  It is still perfectly legal to perform late term abortions by other procedures than the one illegalized- so not a single doctor will get prosecuted.  They see the major effect of Carthart as carving down on a loophole in Roe v Wade most pro-choice people don't seem to know even existed, which is that the 12 week line could be bypassed fairly easily and not so easily now.  So some abortion rights were diminished that most people didn't know existed.

I think the summer of 2004 hate radio campaign and the FMA fight in Congress was actually when our national debate on gay marriage legalization played out.  That's when opposition to it peaked, that's when all the arguments against it came to the surface and were given their chance in the public arena.  Support for gay marriage rebounded in 2005 to pre-Goodrich levels, i.e. the people swayed to opposition in 2004 changed their minds back.

Republicans and the Christian Right have been utterly unable to rally new support since- they have the True Believers, who are quietly diminishing.  And there is a pretty constant percentage of people who support the intermediates (i.e. 'civil unions' or 'domestic partnerships' but not marriage itself).  There just aren't any fresh arguments against gay marriage that have pull, and people have obviously made up their minds on all the arguments that have been made.  I don't see any real national debate happening or mattering- the reality is one side in slow retreat and the other advancing slowly, with both sides well aware of it.

The Schiavo affair in March 2005 collapsed siding with Republicans on social issues from about 60% to 40%: all of the nonpartisan and swing vote.  I've looked at a bunch of polling, and the Schiavo affair alone doesn't really explain that collapse to me.  I'm willing to say that all the Republican hatemongering of 2004 (vehemently anti-gay and anti-Arab, fairly openly anti-black and anti-woman, semicovertly anti-Semitic) vented out a lot of internalized bigotry and had a hollowing out effect on their credibility with the 20% bloc at political center.  The Schiavo thing was fairly small stuff, but it had all the bigotry and high-handedness and unprincipledness on the part of Republicans.  They were so obviously in the wrong that it was good cover for the center to let go of them.

Sorry for the long post.  When I have more time, I may be able to write a shorter one.  ;-)


by killjoy on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:06:20 PM EST
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Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (none / 0)

Disagree, but compensatory uprate -- the post doesn't seem to merit a zero.



McCain
by Black Anus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:58:25 PM EST
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Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (none / 0)

I really think Kerry lost because of his rambling style of talking. If the Kerry from the 1st debate with Bush was operating the whole campaign, he would have won.  By not being engaging, the door is open to other narratives, like the morals issues. With Obama & Clinton we have two good speakers, both command attention, and the stupid ploys won't work this time.  Besides the only threat to marriage is divorce, not gay marriage. Ask me, I've done it 2x.


by PracticalMagic on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:17:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

this is exciting (2.00 / 2)


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:51:26 PM EST

I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (none / 0)

Legally this was the right decision; morally it wasn't. I have gay friends, and I fully support gay couples' right to adopt and have legal benefits to the full extent that married couples do. But I don't support gay marriage. I will be voting for the constitutional amendment if it makes the November ballot.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:54:00 PM EST

Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (2.00 / 3)

Why not?


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:56:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (none / 0)

Yaknow, a lot of you 'Hillary supporters' are nothing more then Republicans.  The fact that you would be against equality for ALL people is disgusting to me.

It is the morally correct decision, the ethically correct decision, and like you said - the legally correct one.

It's funny to me, but I haven't seen a single Obama supporter come out against this; several Pro-Hillary supporters have spoken against it.  You should be ashamed of yourself, and you're no Democrat.


by Lawyerish on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:56:51 PM EST
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Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (2.00 / 1)

You're so full of hate.  I bet there are just as many Obama supporters who oppose gay marriage.

The larger fact is, both Hillary and Obama oppose gay marriage-- and this is what should disgust you most.

BTW, I support Hillary, and I support gay marriage.


by Sieglinde on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:05:33 PM EST
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Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (2.00 / 1)

I wouldn't generalize to the entire country from what you read on MyDD.  My guess is that Hillary and Obama supporters are on both sides of this issue. (Think, for example, of the strong support Obama has from conservative Black churches in the south.)

When you first posted your diary Lawyerish, you said you didn't want to make this an Obama-vs-Clinton issue.  Why start now?


by markjay on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:07:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (none / 0)

I'm angry at the fact that several of the prominent pro-Hillary posters here have come out against this historic decision.  I have a very difficult time understanding how they could feel this way, yet consider themselves to be supportive of Equality, a driving principle for our democracy.


by Lawyerish on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:57:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why did you have to ruin your thread (2.00 / 1)

with that crap?!

a lot of you 'Hillary supporters' are nothing more then Republicans.  The fact that you would be against equality for ALL people is disgusting to me.

The great majority of us on each side is absolutely thrilled by this - and you know that.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:28:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Zeitgeist ruined it. (2.00 / 1)

The homophobia is coming out now, and I am frankly shocked by some of the anti-gay crap I have seen today.  Never in a million years would I have expected to see what I have seen today on a Democratic site.


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:17:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This stopped being a Democratic site (none / 0)

a few months ago.


The Democratic Party doesn't live or die with the Clintons
by nrafter530 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:05:30 PM EST
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Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (2.00 / 1)

I must have missed where it was determined that gay marriage is morally wrong.  It certainly is not stated in the bible if, that is your source.

If you believe that marriage is about committed monogamous love for the betterment of both people involved, and for resulting benefit to stability of society, then surely you would want more citizens to enter marriage....right?


by tominstl on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:01:08 PM EST
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Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (none / 0)


I must have missed where it was determined that gay marriage is morally wrong.  It certainly is not stated in the bible if, that is your source.

I think it's a safe bet that a book which mandates that gays be instantly put to death did not consider it necessary to include any further prohibitions on what gays might do while alive.

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by marquer on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:19:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (none / 0)

The simplest way of approaching this issue is to do so Constitutionally. These are people. They therefore have rights, both enumerated and otherwise retained. They must be treated equally under law.

Churches and the Boy Scouts may do as they please, perhaps, but this is a civil rights issue, imo, and government has no basis to differentiate how they treat these fellow citizens.


by xdem on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:57:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Um, wow. (2.00 / 1)

Guess you are alone, as you should be.  I am stunned by your comment...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:17:19 PM EST
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Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (2.00 / 1)

Wow. I thought we were progressives here?


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:20:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (none / 0)

Hillary hasn't been exactly courting progressives lately...  She likes "regular, clue collar" folk, right?  Folk that tend to not be receptive to gay rights.

Can't have it both ways... if you lie down with the conservatives, you're going to end up getting covered in fleas.

It will be very interesting to see how she triangulates out of this one.


by LordMike on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:44:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (none / 0)

This is absurd.  Don't a lot of African Americans have blue collar jobs?  Aren't they "regular?"  Aren't they strongly on the side of another candidate?  And isn't it true that they tend not to be receptive to gay rights?  Does that mean that Obama is going to get covered with fleas?


by markjay on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:21:51 PM EST
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Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (2.00 / 1)

I feel sorry for you that you are so ignorant and small-minded as to oppose equal rights for all Americans.


by Last Frontier Democrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:57:43 PM EST
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Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (none / 0)

I'll be fighting against any change to our state constitution with everything I have.  

If people don't like that we extend full human rights to all people in California, they're welcome to move elsewhere as far as I'm concerned.

I look forward to the day when the bans on same-sex marriage seem as obscene as those outlawing interracial marriage seem to us now.


the third eye does not weep. it knows.
by mijita on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:29:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

um (none / 0)

In one case you say you're cool with them getting married, but you don't support gay marriage,

Do you know what gay marriage means? It means gay couples' right to adopt and have legal benefits to the full extent that married couples do. If you support that, but vote to take that away from them, you're a hypocrite.


The Democratic Party doesn't live or die with the Clintons
by nrafter530 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:04:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Guess I'm Alone in Decrying This (none / 0)

Remember the true threat to marriage is DIVORCE, not gay marriage. Why not ban divorce? It causes way more trouble than gay anything ever will.. Get ur head out of the sand ...


by PracticalMagic on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:19:16 PM EST
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Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (2.00 / 1)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Thursday, May 15, 2008
Contact: Mayor's Office of Communications,
415-554-6131

Thursday, May 15, 2008

11:15 AM PST
Mayor Newsom to hold media conference call re: California State Supreme
Court ruling on same sex marriage
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 calling
in.

12:00 PM
Mayor Newsom, City Attorney Dennis Herrera, and National Center for
 Lesbian
Rights (NCLR) to hold press conference re: California State Supreme
 Court
ruling on same sex marriage
Grand Staircase
Rotunda, City Hall

                                   ###

      (See attached file: 05.15.08 Mayor Newsom Media Advisory.pdf)

Giselle Barry
Deputy Director of Communications
Office of the Mayor
City Hall, Room 291
(415) 554-6131
fax: (415) 554-6690


by linfar on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:54:43 PM EST

Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (none / 0)

I wonder how Hillary will handle this.  On one hand, she doesn't want to alienate many of her liberal supporters.  On the other hand, she doesn't want to alienate her conservative Appalachian "blue collar" fan club, either.

It will be interesting to see what she does.


by LordMike on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:11:52 PM EST

HRC (none / 0)

has more support in the gay community than anyone else


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:24:41 PM EST
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Re: HRC (none / 0)

I know that...

But, the ruling will not play well in much of rural Kentucky... her "new" base of Appalachian voters.  Will she throw the gay community under the bus to ingratiate them, or will she throw them under the bus.  Or will she try to "triangulate" her way out of this position.

It will be interesting to watch.


by LordMike on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:41:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (2.00 / 1)

Congratulations to my gay California friends!  As a straight woman, this issue has, neverthelss, been on the top of my radar as I simply cannot understand WHY 2 loving people cannot be legally committed to a life time partnership.  I don't want to see one more young person commit suicide because his peers and/or family won't accept him for who he is.

Has anyone ever noticed that Americans don't seem to complain much (that I've seen anyway) about marriage in Vegas by an Elvis impersonator....? Yet my guess is that some of the very same decry gay marriage as "immoral".  POPPYCOCK!

I look forward to the day when gay marriage is accepted thruout this country!    


"Not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who's embarrassingly superior to me." -- Jon Stewart, 4/15/08
by JulieinVT on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:12:38 PM EST

Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (none / 0)

This is a very good thing, plain and simple.  A great day for those of us who believe in supporting individual rights wherever possible - regardless of our sexual orientation.  The saddest part is that probably both Clinton and Obama will support the ballot initiative to amend the constitution.


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by edparrot on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:25:31 PM EST

Re: Gay Marriage Ban In California Overturned (2.00 / 1)

Great news, and nuff respect to Gov. Schwartzenegger for his position respecting the CA Supreme Court.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:36:30 PM EST

I think this ruling is going to be (none / 0)

appealed and it is going to end up in the Supreme Court.

This ruling is also going to provide a lot of ammunition for the religious right. So far they have been pretty discouraged by McCain, but now they have a cause they can get behind and push for and i expect them to get out in large numbers and vote.

PS: While i typing this comment, i got an email from James Dobson from the Focus on the Family organization about this ruling...destruction of the family bla bla bla...destruction of a religious institutions...judges legislating from the bench...bla bla bla... they seem to be a bit fire up here....I am on their email list just to see what they are up to.


by likelihood zero on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:53:14 PM EST

Re: I think this ruling is going to be (2.00 / 1)

Who's going to appeal it?  The governor said he'd respect it, and it seems unlikely Jerry Brown will push the issue, somehow.


Matt Flynn
by Flynnieous on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:57:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think this ruling is going to be (2.00 / 1)

Its the California Constitution.  There's no appeal to the US Supreme Court.  Its a state court case, not a federal court case.

I do think the ruling turns the state into a battleground for the Democratic nominee potentially.

Also, one state's an aberration.  2 states is a trend.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:57:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think this ruling is going to be (none / 0)

California's not going to turn red over gay marriage.


by Last Frontier Democrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:58:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think this ruling is going to be (none / 0)

Def not.


by devoted1 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:13:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oops Sorry. I have a question though (none / 0)

I am not a lawyer so pardon my deep ignorance of the law...Oop my wife is going to kick my ass though...she is a lawyer.

Well, then they will go for some kind of constitutional proposition...a prop something..

I have a question to those who know the law. You can answer me or i can wait for my wife to get home and i ask her:

I got married in Boston and my marriage is valid and recognized in every state in the union. So if a gay couple get married in California, would that mean that their marriage is also valid and legal in all the other states? If i remember correctly my undergrad course of constitutional law it is called the full faith and credit clause or something along these lines.


by likelihood zero on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:17:12 PM EST
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If they go for a state prop, that would fire up the religious right in California and would probably make the state for the first time a competitive state. I would not go as far as saying a battle ground state because the democrats have a serious advantage over there.

Florida already has a constitutional ban on the ballot in November.

Arizona also is having one on the ballot. I think they are trying to get one in Nevada, but they having hard time doing it.


by likelihood zero on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:23:41 PM EST
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Bring them on.

If Democrats want to stand for something, then here's our chance. We know the battlefield has been set. The same old Republican bullshit issues are being raised in yet another election year. Lets see how many Dems fold on this issue.

Today's decision was precisely a victory for the United States constitution as well as basic human rights. Like Ellen said, in the near future the issue of gay marriage will be as ridiculous as the idea of denying a woman's right to vote.


by devoted1 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:56:55 PM EST

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I'm a 5th generation Californian.  And I've never been prouder of it.

Today I burst into tears when I heard this news.  

I will remember today as the happiest day of my life -- including my own wedding day.  Because it's the day that the highest court in my state declared that it was unjust and unfair that my sister not be able to marry her life partner.

The one blemish on my own wedding day had been the knowledge that my sister and sister-in-law couldn't  have their relationship recognized as easily and completely as I could.  

Now that blemish is gone and the sun shines all the more brightly on the Golden State.  


the third eye does not weep. it knows.
by mijita on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:24:55 PM EST

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A TRULY PROUD MOMENT.

I hope that Newsome runs for Govenor.

He would be great.....


by nikkid on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:58:30 PM EST

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from a Hillary supporter people!


The Democratic Party doesn't live or die with the Clintons
by nrafter530 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:06:41 PM EST
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