The old politics of sexism

I understand that this must be a difficult time for many Clinton supporters.  As an Obama supporter, I can say, quite honestly, that I like and respect Hillary Clinton.  She is a highly qualified leader and someone who could become a very good President.

She was let down by an incompetent campaign staff.  A sin for which she must accept a large share of the blame.  She was also facing something akin to a tidal wave in American politics.  Younger voters, in particular, have come to view the Democratic party as either feckless or perhaps even deceitful.  The Democrats have not been able to capture the discussion for at least eight years.

As a result, many people have sought to give someone new a chance.  This person, Barack Obama, is an untested quantity and could fail spectactularly.  In which case, it'll be a monumental case of "I told you so".  Nevertheless, there are many of us out there who are willing to give him a shot.  We think he can do it.  That's what motivates our vote.  What does not motivate our vote is sexism.

It is somewhat amazing to me that this needs to be said on a left-leaning blog covering Democratic politics.  For the sake of my sanity, I will assume that this is the final throes of acceptance and that soon the Democratic party can once again unite without recriminations.  I suppose if Obama was losing the nomination, there would be diaries outlining how racism sunk him.  There would be plenty of fodder.  But it would all amount to sophistry - a logically defensible falsehood.

And yet, in one of the most highly respected newspapers in the country, there is similar sophistry about the role of sexism in this race:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403090. html?hpid=opinionsbox1

It is not my place to tell someone what offendeds them.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who could Marie Coco's op-ed and leave seeing red convinced that if you want to run for President, you better bring your Y chromosome.  But to me, the piece simply reiterates what many Obama supporters were looking for in the first place:  A way past these recriminations.



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Re: The old politics of sexism (2.00 / 1)

nice sentiments, but unfortunately MANY see it otherwise.  and all the while many within the BO ranks are explicit in this sexism.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:24:29 PM EST

I don't see it (none / 0)

If you could show me proof of this sexism, I'd like to see it.  A couple of isolated incidents do not a strategy make, and I highly suggest that you think about your answer before throwing stones on this sentiment.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:48:05 PM EST
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Re: I don't see it (none / 0)

the diary does point out evidence of only some of the sexism we have seen.  dont buy it?  that your choice.  but this diary simply is drawing attention to a REAL sentiment as evidenced by the fact that this diary made it to the REC list (my first one, i might add)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:56:02 PM EST
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Yeah, none of that was Team Obama (none / 0)

I'm against sexism, too, but as far as I know, my candidate's campaign has had no truck with it.

As for the "silence" issue... Clinton is a grown-up.  She can defend herself.  To suggest that she needs big strong men like Howard Dean to step in on her behalf and give a stern talking-to to Republican strategists is utterly moronic.  That's not his job, and it's frankly insulting to Clinton.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:20:31 PM EST
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Re: Yeah, none of that was Team Obama (none / 0)

that's exactly how racists talk about their racism. What's notable is the degree to which the Obama has simply pronounced that sexism isn't sexism.


by Little Otter on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:27:55 PM EST
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Re: The old politics of sexism (none / 0)

We'll have a female president and it won't be that long down the road.  There are legions of women right now in positions that are gaining them experience, name recognition, and successes to wave in front of the electorate.  

I really don't feel like having a fight about it here, but there are a few things about Hillary that make her not the greatest candidate.  They aren't gender related and some of those things about her aren't her fault.   The point is we will have a female president, just not Hillary.  What's cool about Hillary is that her candidacy has paved a shit load of road for that woman.

At one point the CW was that she'd be the next president.  There is significance in that.  A lot of people accepted in their head that the next president would be a woman.  It moved from an interesting hypothetical to a reality in their minds.  That is quite a barrier to overcome.  Nobody else will ever have as much resistance to overcome that same barrier because Hillary has already done it.

I nominate my mom in  2016.  She'll still be younger than John McCain is now.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:39:27 PM EST

lots of sexism from Obama supporters (none / 0)

not the candidate, which is the difference between he & Clinton.


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:02:32 PM EST

Re: lots of sexism from Obama supporters (none / 0)

some specifics would be helpful here.


by the mollusk on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:04:18 PM EST
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Re: lots of sexism from Obama supporters (none / 0)

Obama has directly and unequivocally engaged in misogynist rhetoric himself and he has not bothered to distance himself from the misogyny of his supporters.  Randi Rhodes is a nationally syndicated talk show host performing at an event organized by Obama supporters, for obama supporters who found her calling the first viable female candidate for president a "fucking whore" hillarious.

Obama's "periodically" comment, his "tea with ambassadors" comment and his "the claws come out" comment are all unambiguous sexism - whether his supporters have the level of maturity to admit it or not.


by Little Otter on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:30:52 PM EST
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Re: lots of sexism from Obama supporters (2.00 / 1)

i'm sorry, but trying to turn the "periodically" statement into sexism is in no way being mature.


by the mollusk on Thu May 15, 2008 at 03:45:53 PM EST
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Re: lots of sexism from Obama supporters (none / 0)

Wrong - it's every bit as sexist as if Republicans joked about Obama shining shoes in Springfield. It is one of the ugliest, most blatantly sexist remarks I've ever heard from a Democrat. It's the kind of low life crap that Claytie used against Ann Richards in Texas. It's pigshit rhetoric. pigshit.


by Little Otter on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:56:27 PM EST
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Re: lots of sexism from Obama supporters (2.00 / 1)

I look at this website periodically.


by the mollusk on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:49:06 AM EST
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Re: The old politics of sexism (none / 0)

Racism is definitely alive and kicking in many areas of our great nation. We need to move ahead but understand what happened in WV was not representative of the USA!

Watch this clip. Simply incredible. I saw it too when I was in WV last week. It was uncomfortable to say the least and I am white.

http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thi sdataswitch=0&thisid=1507&thisvi ew=item&renewx=2008-05-14+17%3A19%3A 41

Incredible.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:14:55 PM EST

Re: The old politics of sexism (none / 0)

Wow.  That was great.  I felt like I was back at home.

I think you're correct that racism exists (as does sexism), but Obama's fortunes in the nomination were not tied specifically to this.  Similarly, Hillary's fortunes were not tied specifically to sexism.

The worst part is that the folks who come to MYDD and bother to talk about this stuff are probably among the most open-minded Democrats out there.  If you're looking for racism and sexism.  This isn't the place.

Also, it is very difficult for a woman to lose the Democratic primary based on sexism when something like 58% of primary voters are women.


by the mollusk on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:28:29 PM EST
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