It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (UPDATED)

After review of the numerous threads outlining people who have had their ability to rate stripped there is a common point of contact.  The "Bob Johnson thread" (who IMHO was a true loss to the quality of content here).  I'm not sure what the mechanics are but it would appear that everyone (or most) who recced Bob's thread (that was taken down from the rec list then later put back up) have had their ability to rate removed. In light of the mass account action taken for simply recommending a well written diary I have a few suggestions going forward and an observation.  

1.  No more mass privilege stripping  

2.  Restore privilege without prejudice.

3. No more heat of the moment banning.  

4. No more banning for diaries you simply disagree with rather than those which break the TOS.  

5.  Include explanation to account e-mail for any actions taken against account, explaining why.

Pragmatic observation

This being a thriving "Clinton Only" site has a half life of about 3 weeks. It might be time to pivot to a more inclusive view and propagation of content.  The only way to accomplish more balanced discussion is to stop the practice of weighing the content through the use of selective recommend ability.  

I hope you take this opportunity to recognize some potential bad habits that have been practiced recently and reintroduce the  ability for users to have fair political discourse without one group having disproportionate editorial power.  

Thanks in advance

*Update Note* Thanks duende for a link to the content in question http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/1/25143/93090/754/506723



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Oh Bob (none / 0)

when are you going to learn. What a muckraker.
by linc on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:53:40 AM EST

This was snark btw (none / 0)

I actuallly quite like good ol'Bob. He reminds me a bit of Armando pre-BTD, but in a slightly less informed way and a much more passionate way...
by linc on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:54:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh Bob (2.00 / 3)

Understood, (snark)

I can't imagine any fair minded person would think by simply putting Bob up to compete with the Texasdarling and Alegre post up top, people should have lost their ability to rate content.  

It's really not about Bob at this point, he seems to be flourishing at Kos.  It's about the idea the punitive action for simply recommending his diary would lead to mass privilege loss.  


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:59:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh Bob (none / 0)

Bob...seems to be flourishing at Kos

LOL!

NO way.

That should be a new diary.

BREAKING: Bob Johnson flourishes at Kos!


by reggie44pride on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:04:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I didn't rec'd Bob Johnson's diary (2.00 / 3)

and I still have recommending rights (though I'm an Obama supporter) so this would be a data point to confirm your theory. I recommended your diary, by the way.


by Fairy Tale on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:56:07 AM EST

Interesting.... (2.00 / 3)

Which thread was that? I must have missed it or am just drawing a blank... I too am an Obama supporter who retains rec privileges, so that might also support the theory.


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:01:51 AM EST

i miss bob (2.00 / 3)

can we trade a****e in and get him back?


by citizendave on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:04:39 AM EST

Re: i miss bob (2.00 / 1)

Did Bob get banned? For a diary? I musta been away when that happened. Can someone sum up for me?

I still have rating privileges. But I almost never troll or hide-rate, and I rate up folks who disagree with me but make good points or are polite. Maybe I've just been lucky.


by rhetoricus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:21:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: i miss bob (2.00 / 1)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/1/2 5143/93090/754/506723

Bob discusses in his own words..


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:25:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

it's a big internet out there (2.00 / 1)


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:05:04 AM EST

Re: it's a big internet out there (2.00 / 2)

Yes, it is, Teresa, and we second-class citizens can find another web site without much difficulty.

I had just hoped that this one, which has been an important part of the liberal blogosphere for more than four years, might regain its reputation as a respectable place.

If it degenerates into an autocrat's playground, well, that's MyDD's loss; the rest of us will simply move on.


Graveyards of Illinois - http://www.graveyards.com/
by MattHucke on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:09:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Much like I did from Daily Kos, I suppose. nt (2.00 / 2)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:53:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Much like I did from Daily Kos, I suppose. nt (2.00 / 1)

well, I don't know if that is a fair analogy... A lot of the people here who went on "strike" from DKos did so of their own free will... they still had their privileges and all....

Here, apparently, there is a movement afoot to strip  some users of their posting privileges or ban them outright...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:34:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 3)

Your "half life" bit is entirely correct.

What happens to an echo chamber when its purpose for existing - promoting a candidate who is no longer in the running - goes away?

MyDD is at a crossroads.  Either it will thrive as a place for community and honest dissent, or it will wither and die, as everyone who still has a horse in this race departs.


Graveyards of Illinois - http://www.graveyards.com/
by MattHucke on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:06:54 AM EST

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 1)

Or slowly descend into NoQuarter or Taylor Marsh Land.


by Rationalisto on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:36:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 1)

What diary was that?  Good thing I didn't rec it.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:08:04 AM EST

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

Well, there are supposedly some very close MYDD connections to the group that Bob Johnson was writing about, which may have lead to the mass loss of rec/rating abilities.  I know my answer is cryptic, but I have my rec/rating powers back and I don't want to lose them again.  Yes, I have relented to "The Man."

Also, I have to believe that MYDD is removing rec/rating powers for business practicality.  Obama supporters own most of the blogosphere.  This site is one of the few sites where there are a decent number of both Hillary and Barry supporters.  Since we can't get a straight answer from the administrators, I'm going to take a guess at why such powers are removed.  Jerome does not want this site to become Kos with a majority of pro-Obama/anti-Hillary  diaries on the rec. diary list.  Thus, he suppresses some Obama supporters' rec/rating abilitie.  As you may have noticed, a majority of posters on this site are starting to lean toward Obama, yet a majority of rec diaries are still pro-hillary.  Jerome's not going to turn away customers because its bad for business, but he'll limit their ability of those new customers to keep his business model intact.  I'm going to guess that traffic on this site over the last 2 to 3 months is the highest it's been ever, and if he allows Obama supporters to take over, he'll lose the Hillary gang.  Its a balancing game that's good for business in the short term.  What the future holds for this site when Obama becomes the nominee is yet to be determined.  


by reggie23 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:18:43 AM EST

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

This is the most plausible analysis I've heard so far. As for the cryptic connection: I don't want you to get banned, but I know the group you are talking about. Is the connection between MYDD admin or some of the more prominent diarists?


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:01:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

Lets just say that there was a diary a few weeks ago with strong proof connecting a very powerful person in the MYDD community to the group.  And if you remember, the reason given to Bob on why the diary was removed from the rec list was peculiar to say the least.


by reggie23 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:13:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

I remember well. He was told to remove all mentions of 'race', though clearly the organisation concerned was only calling women.

I get you. Wish I trawl and find that diary you mentioned. Truth sets you free


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:22:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/5/22472 6/9158

Here ya go.


by reggie23 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:30:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

Oh, MyDD makes a ton more sense now.  


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:15:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

That's "Barry Hussein," dontcha know.


by rhetoricus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:23:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 4)

Oh my god. This diary really doesn't warrant a response; but since it's like the eight diary int eh last two days of people talking about this, I might as well.

Note to people who get stripped of privileges: Things are far less lax in the blogosphere world ever since hordes of Obama people made Kos' website the toxic sludge it is now.

Why do you spend countless HOURS obviously fretting over an ability rate other people, when maybe you should work on being a)less condescending to other readers and b) open to having true political discussion.

I realize this is a long comment so it will likely get parsed to hell by the ravage Obamawildebeests, but I doubt people are arbitrarily taking away your privileges.

Also more annoying than reading harsh political Astroturf wars over simple issues int eh diaries, is reading countless diaries like this.


by apolitik on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:22:10 AM EST

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 7)

First you say this...

when maybe you should work on being a)less condescending to other readers and b) open to having true political discussion.

Then you say this...

so it will likely get parsed to hell by the ravage Obamawildebeests

Do you not see the hypocrisy of your own message?

My post isn't about making this an "Obama" site it's about how reasonable political discourse breaks down when through adminstrative actions one group, the dissenting group is silenced.  

Insulting post like yours becomes the standard rather than the exception do to a sense of entitlement.  


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:28:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 1)

phantom mojo for nextgen!


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:58:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

Wow, you nailed it!

</sn*rk>



McCain
by Black Anus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:34:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 3)

Supposing you are right, and the Obama supporters at Kos had free reign to flame, trash, ruin the credit rating of, gave repeated swirlies to, drew obscene pictures with a sharpie on the sleeping faces of Clinton supporters...

...isn't the rec banning of Obama supporters agreeing with the very methods that you opposed? Endorsing them? Joining them?

Which is "good?" Two feet or four again? Me and the horses always get confused.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:40:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I recommended this, too. (2.00 / 1)

Though I guess I'm already on thin ice here, having written that racism piece...


ооо
by Mumphrey on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:29:26 AM EST

I lost (2.00 / 1)

I lost privileges from the Bob Johnson post.

Admin gave me privledges back.

I asked them to also give back to the rest of the people who's only  crime was to REC a diary.

I just lost my REC privledges again.

And one more time to Teresa, Apolitik, etc.

Why is removing REC privileges in a secretive manner not in line with any site rules okay with you.

Jerome has gone into hiding over ths one, and I feel sorry for the other admins having to deal with the fallout.

Just look at this thread's poll, that is just from people who DIDNT LEAVE.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/14/1838 20/180

I would estimate Jerome did this to 100-200 members.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:39:44 AM EST

Re: I lost (2.00 / 1)

I really had no idea it was that out of hand.

Again, I didn't even know what these magical rating powers WERE until mine got cut.

Prior to that, I thought people were joking, frankly. No one could be so petty as to take up posting space explaining why they were giving a "cold prickly" or a "warm fuzzy" to various people on the blog. But sometimes I want to share my warm fuzzies! And I have no way to do so. And so my warm fuzzies sit out in the sun, covered in flies, curdling.

Thanks, MyDD.

Note: The cold pricklies stay fresher longer. Got lots of those left too.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:42:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I lost (none / 0)

Its the rec powers that mean something to this site.  Suppressing Obama supporter rec powers allows pro-hillary/anti-Obama diaries to dominate the rec list.  I know I'm being a conspiracy theorist, but as soon as you see Pro-Obama diaries dominate the rec list over the course of a few days, you'll see a spike in complaints of people losing their rec/rating abilities.  Look at the second part of my post above.  


by reggie23 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:55:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I lost (none / 0)

This was exactly my observation too - a kind of selective disenfranchisement. Sound familiar.

MYDD claims to be a 'community' run by 'trusted users' - a bottom up form of collective self governance. If it's in hock to some other invisible interests beyond those stated - well - that sounds mighty familiar too. We ought to know. Transparency was one of the key principles of CTG.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:05:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I lost (none / 0)

Both of guys said better than I could ever attempt.

Duende, I would rather have Jerome address your statement than get my REC privledges back.

Whatever his true reasons, I dont think he thougth them through too good, because we are still here.

Someone get on the phone with Bob Johnson, I think amnesty/pardon is in order.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:18:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I lost (none / 0)

He commented on a diary in another place, and said he'd never come back. Link below. That's a huge shame. He was provocative and humorously surly, but a great investigator.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/5/ 9/121719/5159/370#c370

The fact that most of us weren't warned, and that even Todd seems oblivious to this, indicates the motives were too complex, or embarassing, to openly confess. Here's my diary on what happened to me. Bob explains what happened to him there.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/1/2 5143/93090/754/506723

I have no problem if it all sorts itself out. I've always enjoyed this site, and I bet most of us are willing to let bygones be bygones as long as we can contribute FULLY again.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:30:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I lost (none / 0)

You know, I think I may walk too. Not that it matters, but this site isn't improving my life at all. I used to think it was worth sticking out, that the campaign would be over soon. But the negativity and outright wrongness used to keep basing Obama is just such a bummer on my enthusiasm and wonkery.

The rec thing just kind of makes it all the more OK.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:14:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I lost (none / 0)

I completely get where you're coming from with this. You begin to see the world through such a distorted lens. It's as if the whole of the US, and its munificent multicultural population has reduced itself to two pole: K street and Appalachia. Some of the 'wrongness' is poisonous and debilitating. But if you never come back, if none of us come back, I somehow feel we needed to peer over the abyss, pit all our positivity and hope about Obama into this black hole of doubt, darkness and hate.

We needed to do this for some reason, partly because I think so much that has gone wrong in the last twenty years comes from the democratic party as much as the republican. My only buzzwords for expressing these errors, and the horrible way they have played out here is 'triangulation' and 'identity politics'.

But we needed to do this - to purge these ills. And somehow I've bonded with people here much more, because we're all facing the same 'wrongness' and trying to express it, as you did so eloquently Lettuce.

Whatever happens, our time here has not been wasted and I'll miss you all when it's over.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:13:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I lost (none / 0)

Looks like I lost my rec privileges last night for some reason. I'm trying to decide if I care. Wait. Let me think.

No.

Eventually, I and others will tire of this blog's arcane rules, deus ex machina control freakiness, and illogical "what forest? all I see are trees" claptrap--and move onto greener fields.

Perhaps NoQuarter?


by Rationalisto on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:50:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's what I think: (2.00 / 1)

There's a general blindness to the realities of the primary situation around here, and the folks who are blinded by their partisanship don't want anyone helping their fellow blind folks to see the truth.  

This general blindness has led to a very low quality of articles and diaries overall.  

Where are the diaries, for example, about Bush's recent deplorable remarks overseas, comparing Democrats to Nazi sympathizers?  Nowhere.  Dailykos at least maintains a healthy level of important discussion along with the Obama promoting.

But facts are facts, and this place has about three weeks to go.  


"It's time to pass the baton to the next generation." Ken Jacobson, WA state senator.
by tibbs on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:46:38 AM EST

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 1)

I dont' miss Bob JOhnson one bit. I don't think he added anything contructive here.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:51:06 AM EST

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 1)

And I support your right to hold that opinion, do you support mine to hold a dissenting opinion?


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:03:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 1)

Perfectly put. I don't think I've ever agreed with McCheese. But we've had some good debates. I would never want him silence, censored or de-recced


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:06:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

I would hate to have a site with ZERO disent or debate, how boring would that be.  We need debate otherwise what will energize us to sharpen the game?

I know Todd hates this but you can't ignore how much parallel there is to government with this issue.

When a government is collapsing it oppression gets more severe and less reasoned.

What we have here are people who's candidate's campaign was hers to lose for 2 months now.
Unable to deal with it they want to remove all people that remind them of that reality.

Look what happened at DKOS, I wasn't there to witness it, but it happened and what was the reaction?
To strike, to leave the site.
To me that makes no sense, you wont see me leave here.

I just dont get what Jerome ultimately thought he would achieve with this stunt.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:15:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (none / 0)

I was just thinking how important this is.

By coincidence, I was thinking of writing a diary on the Chinese government's manipulation of internet access, and the same (more commercial based) plans by Virgin Media here.

Perhaps you might see a diary soon by me on the VIRTUAL THOUGHT POLICE. But I better make sure it's only about China etc, or I might disappear.

But like poets under Stalin, it's sometimes creative to speak in metaphors. Creative, though deadly sometimes for the likes of Mandelstam or Mayakovsky.

I might need those two handles, if not already taken.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:19:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 1)

Absolutely.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:56:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

To Hillary supporters... (2.00 / 2)

I would personally defend and protest at any Hillary supporter who lost the ability to rec or rate.

Hell. Why do I come here more than DKOS? Because I think at the heart of democracy is healthy reasonable DISSENT.

Racist or sexist comments apart, I've never hide rated or trolled anyone. If we can't express our disagreements, where is the hope for dialogue.

On a progressive blog like this, which is after all 'just talk', this kind of censorship is not just against the spirit of netroots, it's an existential challenge.

If we can post. rec or rate, then this community is sham and we might as well be an editorialised front page of the MSM media.

So Hillary supporters. They came for us. But one day soon they might come for you. Let's prove this community is bigger than these candidate wars. And show the admins that we take the guidelines SERIOUSLY

This is a self correcting and self censoring community, not a virtual thought police state.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:51:16 AM EST

For the record, this Clinton supporter appears to (none / 0)

have lost his ability to Hide-Rate a week or two ago.  I'm not even sure exactly when.  I can still TR, and I can still Mojo, but no Hide Rates for me anymore.

I don't know how this fits into the narrative that Obama supporters are losing the ability to Rec comments, but figured I'd point out that Clinton supporters appear to be losing certain privileges as well.  


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:58:06 AM EST

PJ (none / 0)

None of the above...

I can't give mojo, troll, or rec.

The funny thing is I never even used the troll rating ability, the loss is less an issue with using it, it's the lack of ability to use.


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:00:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know what you mean. (2.00 / 2)

the loss is less an issue with using it, it's the lack of ability to use.

And its the feeling that you've been singled out unfairly and/or without internet "due process" - no opportunity to explain whatever perceived disgression you have been punished for.  


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:08:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Agreed 100% (2.00 / 1)

I even went so far as to ask Clinton supporters to review my post history and give me critical feedback.  I wanted to know if anything I had ever posted could be considered disruptive, insulting, insensitive or destructive.  I never received feedback but am proud of my post history both in content and tone.  

This is a shame.  


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:13:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (2.00 / 1)

For what it's worth, I don't even look at the rec list anymore.  I don't care to read anything by some of the regulars there and I don't really want to sift through 300 comments to find something to talk about.  I find it much more enjoyable to throw my two cents into a discussion with 10-20 people rather than massive hordes.  Besides, the new diarists are so much easier to pick on (joke, sort of).


by the mollusk on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:19:36 PM EST

Follow-up... (2.00 / 1)

... I tracked down the Bob diary in question and indeed I did not recommend it (didn't see it at all in fact). So that does support the hypothesis that that diary was the link.


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:21:32 PM EST

Re: Follow-up... (2.00 / 2)

I, too, still have all of my super-powers; I, too, did not Rec that diary.


by Ray Radlein on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:59:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dittosis... (2.00 / 3)

Another Obama supporter with rec privileges who did not rec Bob's diary here.  Heh.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:06:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You misused the term, "half life." (2.00 / 2)

"Half life" refers to the amount of time it takes to free the body from half of the drug an individual has ingested.  Let's imagine that I smoke a cigarette.  In half an hour, my body will have rid itself of half the nicotine in my system.  A half an hour later, my body will have eliminated half the nicotine that was then available (in other words, three quarters of the original amount), and so on and so forth.

Your use of half life seems to suggest that you think Hillary will hang on to about the time of the convention.  I tend to agree with that, but I don't tend to think that was your notion.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:28:46 PM EST

Good Catch! (none / 0)

So can you calculate the half life if I meant to suggest June 3?

Thanks in advance.

(but I think you got the original point)   :)


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:39:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I did rec that diary (2.00 / 1)

and I still have my reccing privlidges as can been seen as I recced this diary.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:09:38 PM EST

Re: I did rec that diary (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the info Student Guy, that's very interesting.  

There were 2 versions of the diary the first that was taken down from the recced list and the second that was put back up, do you know if you recced before or after it was put back up?


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:12:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think I recced it as it was up the first time (2.00 / 1)

I don't think I got to it if it was reposted...


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:42:18 PM EST
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Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (UPDATED) (2.00 / 1)

Using courtesy, addressing issues not slamming individuals, minimal profundity, respect for the fact that ths site is an owned site not a public right and the moderators have the absolute final say, not just becoming provacateurs for the hell of it, thinking before you respond, etc.  

Not only does this help in retaining standing, but unless you are in a life and death situation, flame throwing really does not get you anywhere and does not get you listened to, particularly if you are a minority viewpoint.  

I know this is kind of an alter kocker way of putting it, but be this internet or private conversation, standards apply and you don't bite the hand that feeds you (or provides a soapbox).


by mady on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:35:53 PM EST

Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (UPDATED) (none / 0)

So where in the rules that I agreed to when I signed up did it say:

"If you REC a diary not written by out best friends we will ban you"

I have every right to flame.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:28:43 PM EST
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Re: It's all Bob Johnson's Fault!! (UPDATED) (2.00 / 1)

You do have every right to flame, I would not question that.  I just don't think it helps your case, depending what you want the result to be.


by mady on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:43:14 PM EST
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