MyDD :: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning

According to Obama, Hillary is Winning

by JFK464, Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:09:04 PM EST

The Obama campaign has argued that Super Delegates ought to vote in accordance with the "will" of the people. Really? Then let's run the numbers. Under that metric, who would have a lead in Super Delegates? The Super Delegate total from the states that Hillary has won thus far (including FL and MI) is 418, to Obama's 372. If the MI delegates are split 50/50, Clinton still wins 403.5 to Obama's 386.5. If Super Delegates are counted according to Barack's formula, Hillary wins the nomination. Period.

The numbers are even more impressive after Hillary crushed Obama in West Virginia. WV has 11 Superdelegates. Hillary is now ahead, even if you exclude FL and MI: she leads 374 to Obama's 372.

SEE THE TOTALS HERE

Tags: Barack Obama, DNC, Florida, Hillary Clinton, Michigan, Superdelegates, West Virginia (all tags)

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Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (1.60 / 5)

Why don't you write the superdelegates and let them know?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:12:19 PM EST

Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (none / 0)

hahahaha

I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson

by obamaovermccain on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:16:01 PM EST
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Re: Hillary SHOULD win (none / 0)

This is one of the strongest arguments for Hillary's candidacy that exists. I could not care less what Obama said about superdelegates because he has changed his position on SDs several times, always picking what he thinks will help him the most.

The real issue is that this way of assigning SD votes -- having them vote the way their state went in the state primary -- makes more sense than any other, IF DEMOCRATS WANT TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. That's because this would track what will happen in the general election more accurately than anything else the SDs could do. Even so, it's still biased in Obama's favor because he leads in proportional voting from the non-SD delegates, but not enough that he would be the nominee if the SDs voted according to how their states went.

It's too bad Obamaniacs want him more than they want to win in November. And that, my friends, is why they do not deserve to win.

by PlainWords on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:25:51 PM EST
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Stop. (2.00 / 4)

Please listen to the words of Senator Clinton today:

"I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama."

by McNasty on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:12:58 PM EST

Re: Stop. (2.00 / 2)

Hear hear to this.

We are all on the same side, and all taunting now is going to do is make us waste time that we could be using to focus on McCain to patch up our base.

by werehippy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:19:18 PM EST
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Re: Stop. (none / 0)

I know Clinton has to say this, so i won't listen to it. I will not support Obama.

by alright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:07:15 PM EST
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Re: Stop. (2.00 / 1)

What a great argument. Despite your own candidate telling you that it's doing a grave disservice to the country and party not to support Obama (should he become the nominee), you know that she "has to" say it, and therefore justify not supporting Obama.

And in this case I mean "vote for" for "support". I think it's up to everyone who they support in terms of money and time. If you don't like Obama all that much, don't donate, don't phonebank, don't GOTV, etc. I'm good with that.

But failing to vote for the Democratic nominee for President in 2008 is just plain wrong. And if you don't believe me, believe Hillary.

by Texas Gray Wolf on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:19:42 PM EST
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Re: Stop. (none / 0)

So basically you believe Hillary to be a liar. And you also believe her to be a traitor to her country, if she knowingly supports someone that she doesn't believe should become president.

by Aris Katsaris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:41:51 PM EST
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Re: Stop. (none / 0)

Well, I guess that's one thing on which I disagree with Senator Clinton.

by PlainWords on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:09:54 PM EST
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In a Delegate Race (2.00 / 1)

..the "Will of the People" is measured by delegates won. Your argument is another attempt at "If this were the Republican Primary Hillary would be winning".

Hillary does not seem to understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats. That's a problem.

by JoeCoaster on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:16:43 PM EST

Oh, of course she does! (none / 0)

"I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama."

by McNasty on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:21:46 PM EST
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Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (2.00 / 1)

Nice work jfk354. Obama was photographed in MI looking like Dukakis with the tank helmet with his protective goggles.

by durendal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:24:31 PM EST

Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (none / 0)

Yeah, minus the tank and the tank helmet...

Pathetic, durendal.

"I'm all for the delegate battle, and now that Obama's campaign is too, I'm all giddy. It's going to be the supers as kingmaker." J.Armstrong 01/19/08

by obscurant on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:45:04 PM EST
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Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (none / 0)

Yes, he looked pathetic, perhaps ersatz is more like it.

by durendal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:11:08 AM EST
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Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (none / 0)

Maybe Hillary warned him about sniper fire.

by Barrett Brown on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:09:29 PM EST
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Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (2.00 / 2)

"The Super Delegate total from the states that Hillary has won thus far (including FL and MI) is 418, to Obama's 372"

Um, question: Do you realize that this tiny difference of 46 superdelegates isn't enough to take the nomination away from Obama, since he's ahead (in pledged delegates) by far more than that?

Without Michigan and Florida he's ahead by 154 PLEDGED delegates.

For Hillary to win according to your formula she needs have atleast that number superdelegates in difference.

by Aris Katsaris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:30:12 PM EST

Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (none / 0)

If we got down to the county level, I think Hillary's totals would be even higher. She's won a lot more counties than he did.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

Called a stupid, white-trash racist because I voted for Hillary. When does the Unity start

by Caro on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:32:40 PM EST

Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (2.00 / 1)

Maybe but different counties have different pledged delegates. I usually depends on past voting patterns.

"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton

by venician on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:44:52 PM EST
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Re: According to Obama, Hillary is Winning (none / 0)

Why don't you just take up your .sig grieviance with the offending nobody that allegedly called you that, instead of parading it like a medal on this site?

It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel

by Sumo Vita on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:14:49 PM EST
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Obama is waking up (none / 0)

and realizing Hillary will be the better president! He so needs more experience and I believe he's self-sabotaging himself because deep down, he doesn't want this as bad as Michelle and his supporters want it for him.

by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:36:04 PM EST

Re: Obama is waking up (2.00 / 1)

That's snark, right?? :)

"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton

by venician on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:48:24 PM EST
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Re: Obama is waking up (none / 0)

I think it's called trippin'.

It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel

by Sumo Vita on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:12:44 PM EST
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they backed away from this argument. (2.00 / 1)

when it appeared not to favour them.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum