Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG!

Well she did it gang.  She took the Mountain State by storm and won by even bigger margins than expected - 66-26% (40% gap!), and its thanks in large part to her volunteers on the ground.

Some good friends of mine from the phone bank were able to attend that event with Hillary last week and as a result - they stepped up their volunteering efforts by traveling to Charlestown over the past 2 days.  I just got a note from one of them and it sounds like they had a blast!

Thought you would enjoy our grass roots operation in West Virginia today.  Someone complained to the election judge that we were less than 300 feet from the polling place.  We were where he told us to stand and had been there for about four hours.  They measured the space and found we needed to move another 15 or 20 feet so we ended up in the middle of a field.  Anyway we had a ball.  We were on a busy road and the positive honks and thumbs up and victory signs were awesome.  Wish you could have been with us.  We forgot about sunscreen so we are both sunburn after so many hours out there.  It was worth it.

Here they are in that field...

The campaign press office just fired off the text of her speech - for anyone who watched this on CNN or MSNBC, you'll have seen a woman who's fired up.  I've bolded some of the bits that had hubby & me cheering as we watched it on the laptop.  Check it out...

Hillary Clinton Delivers Remarks at Charleston , WV Celebration Event

Thank you, West Virginia .

You know, like the song says: "it's almost heaven," and I am so grateful for this overwhelming vote of confidence.

There are some who have wanted to cut this race short. They say "give up, it's too hard, the mountain is too high," but here in West Virginia , you know a thing or two about rough roads to the top of the mountain. We know from the Bible that faith can move mountains and, my friends, the faith of the Mountain State has moved me. I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard.

I want to commend Senator Obama and his supporters. This continues to be a hard-fought race, from one end of our country to the other. And yes, we've had a few dust-ups along the way, but our commitment to bring America new leadership that will renew America's promise means that we have always stood together on what is most important.

Now, tonight I need your help to continue this journey. We are in the homestretch. There are only three weeks left in the final contests, and your support can make the difference between winning and losing. So I hope you'll go to HillaryClinton.com and support our campaign.

You've heard this before - there are many who wanted to declare a nominee before the ballots were counted or even cast. Some said our campaign was over after Iowa, but then we won New Hampshire. Then we had big victories on Super Tuesday and in Ohio and Texas and Pennsylvania, and of course, we came from behind to win in Indiana.

So, this race isn't over yet. Neither of us has the total delegates it takes to win and both Senator Obama and I believe that the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be seated. I believe we should honor the votes cast by 2.3 million people in those states and seat all of their delegates. Under the rules of our party, when you include all 50 states, the number of delegates needed to win is 2,209, and neither of us has reached that threshold yet. This win in West Virginia will help me move even closer.

Now, in a campaign, it can be easy to get lost in the political spin and the polls or the punditry, but we must never lose sight of what really counts, of why all of us care so much about who wins and who loses in our political system. An enormous decision falls on the shoulders of Democratic voters in these final contests and those Democrats empowered to vote at our convention. And tonight, in light of our overwhelming victory here in West Virginia, I want to send a message to everyone still making up their mind.

I am in this race because I believe I am the strongest candidate - the strongest candidate to lead our party in November of 2008 and the strongest president to lead our nation starting in January of 2009. I can win this nomination if you decide I should, and I can lead this party to victory in the general election if you lead me to victory now.

The choice falls to all of you, and I don't envy you. I deeply admire Senator Obama, but I believe our case, a case West Virginia has helped to make, our case is stronger. Together, we have won millions and millions of votes - by the time tonight is over, probably 17 million, close to it. We've won them in states that we must be prepared and ready to win in November -  Pennsylvania and Ohio, Arkansas and New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, Michigan, Florida, and now West Virginia. It is a fact that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia.

The bottom line is this - the White House is won in the swing states and I am winning the swing states. And we have done it by standing up for the deepest principles of our party with a vision for an America that rewards hard work again, that values the middle class and helps to make it stronger.

With your help, I am ready to go head-to-head with John McCain to put our vision for America up against the one he shares with President Bush. Now, I believe our party is strong enough for this challenge. I am strong enough for it. You know I never give up. I'll keep coming back, and I'll stand with you as long as you stand with me.

Together, we will draw the stark distinctions that will determine the future direction of our nation, the difference between ending the war in Iraq responsibly or continuing it indefinitely, between health care for everyone and more uninsured Americans, between standing up for the middle-class families that you represent or standing up for the corporate special interests.

So, I ask you, Democrats, to choose who you believe will make the strongest candidate in the fall and who is ready to execute the office of the presidency of the United States.

People ask me all the time, why am I in this race. Well, I'm in it because of the people that I have worked for my entire life and the people I meet along the campaign trail, people who need someone who fights for them because they're fighting so hard every single day, the people who drive for miles to show their support, who come with the home-made sign, who raise money by skipping those dinners out, who have stood fast and stood strong. I'm in this race for the millions of Americans who know that we can do better in our country, for the nurse on her second shift, for the worker on the line, for the waitress on her feet, for the small business owner, the farmer, the teacher, the coal miner, the trucker, the soldier, the veteran, the college student.

All of the hardworking men and women who defy the odds to build a better life for themselves and their children. You will never be counted out, and I won't either. You will never quit, and I won't, either.

The question is, why do so many people keep voting? Why did 64% of Democrats say in a recent poll they wanted this race to continue? Because in the face of the pundits and the naysayers, they know what is at stake. They know that we have two wars, an economy in crisis on the brink of a recession, $9 trillion of debt, oil prices shooting through the roof, gas prices and grocery prices hurting people who desperately are looking for a way to just keep going day to day. They know they need a champion. They need someone who's going to never stop fighting for health care that covers everyone, no exceptions, for an economy that lifts everyone up, for good jobs that won't be shipped overseas, for college affordability, for all that you can do to own a home and then to keep it.

This election is fundamentally about whether or not the American dream remains alive and well, for our children and our grandchildren. This is the core of my life and my political beliefs: that we owe so much to future generations, that we do not want to see that dream recede, that we know people have to work hard, and we expect you to do just that and to take responsibility, but at the very least, you should have a President who is on your side again.

And I believe that this campaign has been good for the Democratic Party and good for our country. People are discussing and debating issues. They are turning out in record numbers to register and to vote. There is an excitement about politics that is the lifeblood of our democracy.

For me, this election isn't about who's in or who's out or who's up or who's down. It's about the common threads that tie us together - rich and poor, young and old, black and white, Latino and Asian, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. We are united by common values. We all want a better world for our children, and we want the best for our country. And we are committed to putting a Democrat back in the White House.

And our nominee - our nominee will be stronger for having campaigned long and hard, building enthusiasm and excitement, hearing your stories and answering your questions. And I will work my heart out for the nominee of the Democratic Party to make sure we have a Democratic President.

As we look at the stakes in this election, I think we can all agree it's been unprecedented. We haven't had an election like it for as long as anyone can remember. It is still so close and it really does depend upon those who will vote in these next contests and those who have the awesome responsibility as delegates of our great Democratic Party.

I'm asking that people think hard about where we are in this election, about how we will win in November, because this is not an abstract exercise. This is for a solemn, crucial purpose: to elect a president to turn our country around, to meet the challenges we face and seize the opportunities. It has been a long campaign, but it is just an instant in time when compared with the lasting consequences of the choice we will make in November. That is why I am carrying on, and if you give me a chance, Democrats, I'll come back to West Virginia in the general election and we'll win this state and we'll win the White House.

I am honored and grateful for the support and hospitality of the people of West Virginia . I spent a few minutes with your wonderful national treasure, Senator Byrd, this morning and we talked about his beloved West Virginia . I told him where I'd gone and what I'd seen. I talked about the people I had met. And he just broke into the biggest smile. I don't know that any man has ever loved a state more than Robert C. Byrd loves West Virginia .

I am grateful for the graciousness of Governor and Mrs. Manchin. Governor Manchin is winning a great victory himself tonight, and I want to thank Joe and Gayle for welcoming me to Governor Manchin's hometown as we went to Fairmont for a great election last night. I want to thank Senate Majority Leader Truman Chafin, former Governor Hulett Smith, Brigadier General Jack Yeager, all of the West Virginia veterans who honored me by their support and I honor their service.

Thanks to my friends in the labor unions who stood with us every step of the way, we wouldn't be here without you. And a special thanks to my outstanding staff, volunteers and supporters here in West Virginia and across America.

At least once, usually a half a dozen times a day, Bill and Chelsea and I check in with each other and I wish every West Virginian could have heard our calls as we compared our experiences here in this state. We've had the best time.

And I will be back. As we move on now to the next contests, in Kentucky and Oregon, in Puerto Rico, in Montana and South Dakota , tonight I'm thinking about Florence Steen from South Dakota , eighty-eight years old and in failing health when she asked that her daughter bring an absentee ballot to her hospice bedside. Florence was born before women had the right to vote, and she was determined to exercise that right, to cast a ballot for her candidate who just happened to be a woman running for president. Florence passed on a few days ago, but I am eternally grateful to her and her family for making this such an important and incredible milestone in her life that means so much to me. I'm also thinking of Dalton Hatfield, an 11-year-old boy from Kentucky, who sold his bike and sold his video games to raise money to support my campaign.

This is a great and good nation because of people like Florence Steen, Dalton Hatfield, and their families. Her memory and his future are worth fighting for. As long as we remember that there is no challenge we cannot meet, no barrier we cannot break, no dream we cannot realize. So, let's finish the job we started. America is worth fighting for.

Thank you and God bless you and God bless America . Thank you all so very much.


(Emphasis added)

Ok ok, so I put a lot of that speech in bold - I was cheering wildly through most of her speech.  Here's a clip of the last bit of her speech - I just loved that reference to Ms. Steen's memory, and young Dalton's future.  Check it out...

They deserve the best we can give them guys.  She wanted Hillary to be our next president and even though she's no long with us, I'm going to continue doing all I can to help her get her wish.  Same goes for Young Dalton and my kids - this is about their future and I won't quit until Hillary's in the Oval Office.

And neither will Hillary.

Now as Hillary noted in her speech, there's only 3 weeks left to the primary season guys and she's we're in the homestretch.  I've said it before and I'll say it again - she can't run this race without our support.  She needs us on the phones.  She needs us on the ground knocking on doors and at visibility events.  She needs us to talk her up with our friends and family - heck the clerk at the checkout in our local grocery store.

And just as (if not more) importantly, she needs us to send her whatever love we can - right now.  This can't happen on a wing and a prayer guys - so donate now if you can squeeze out another $50 (or $5 for that matter).

You know what to do gang!

         

U P D A T E

Jerome posted the following update on the front page - looks like Hillar's opened up her lead gang!

Clinton is now up 41% over Obama and has exceeded a net of 120,000 votes. Pretty incredible margin.

HELP HILLARY FIGHT ON - CONTRIBUTE NOW!



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Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 14)

She's on her way to 2209 - yeah!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:46:41 PM EST

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 11)

Oh yeah - see my sig line!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:48:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 8)

Even more amazing tonight:

Clinton dominates almost every voter group in exit poll results.

--Mark Halperin


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:54:22 PM EST
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AND every county! (2.00 / 6)


by CoyoteCreek on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:56:38 PM EST
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Re: AND every county! (2.00 / 7)

Yeah, baby!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:01:36 AM EST
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Re: AND every county! (2.00 / 7)

WOOT!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:03:00 AM EST
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Re: AND every county! (2.00 / 0)

Congratulations, this is I think her first really big win this race, isn't it?

Would she have been able to carry West Virginia in the General Election?


by Trey Rentz on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:28:33 AM EST
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Re: AND every county! (2.00 / 2)

No, it's not.

And yes, she will!


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:54:50 AM EST
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Re: AND every county! (none / 0)

She had a big win in Arkansas too.


"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."
by fugazi on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:14:07 AM EST
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Re: AND every county! (none / 0)

And Oklahoma and Tennessee.


by niksder on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:49:13 AM EST
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Re: AND every county! (2.00 / 7)

Did you see Jerome's latest update?

41% lead baby!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:02:29 AM EST
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Re: AND every county! (2.00 / 6)

Now that's what ya call "connecting to voters... BIG TIME!!"


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:34:59 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (1.83 / 6)

from ABC news..popular vote as of right now!

Clinton 16,675,133
Obama 16,642,575


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:39:11 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (none / 0)

With Florida and Michigan, right?


by niksder on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:49:49 AM EST
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Obama won 10 contests by 65% or more (none / 0)

Clinton won two.

But I don't remember anyone saying Obama's wins were game-changers.


by Hudson on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:03:41 PM EST
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Re: Obama won 10 contests by 65% or more (none / 0)

When you're leading and you win, it's NOT a game changer.


by Liberal Monk on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:20:56 PM EST
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McAuliffe disagrees (none / 0)

Two days ago on MTP, he conceded the Michigan and Florida's delegations will reduced by 50%.  And he's Hillary's campaign chairman.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:58:12 PM EST
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AHEM (2.00 / 6)

That was 2 days ago.

DOH!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:03:39 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 1)

And two days hence, Clinton will be 175 delegates behind Obama, not counting the superdelegates he adds Wednesday and Thursday.

What would the results in WV have to do with how MI and FL are reconciled, anyway?


by deminva on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:20:13 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 5)

Just a quick reminder... no delegate's set in stone until they cast their vote at the convention.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:24:30 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 2)

Just a quick reminder, this will not go to the convention unless Hillary wants to end her career on a very low note.


by shalca on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:32:31 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 5)

Alegre is correct and winners don't quit. See you at the convention.


by grlpatriot on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:36:10 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 1)

I really think you'll be disappointed.  There will be tremendous pressure for a clear winner to be declared before the end of June.


by shalca on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:41:44 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 1)

Your winning battles but you already lost the war.
How do you justify continuing the suffering?

Wishing and continuing on a course does not make you a winner, it makes you a waster, have we not learned this lesson from Iraq?


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:53:00 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 1)

Clinton isn't winning.  She hasn't been winning for a long time.

She won a battle (and kudos to her for it), but she has already lost the war.  There is no mathematical way she can reach the requisite number of delegates with so few states left.

I just don't understand why ya'll can get so excited at the possibility of a Clinton nomination when it's clearly not going to happen.

What are you going to do when it DOESN'T happen?  People have been trying to tell you guys this (not out of meanness or cruelty, but out of sheer desire for you to join us in reality)

What are you going to do when it finally dawns on you?


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:39:05 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 1)

What are you going to do when it finally dawns on you?

You mean IF she loses the nom?   I'll get ready for 2012 and hope the Dems in Congress can stop President McCain from doing too much damage in the meantime.

What are you going to do when Obama loses?  Because he's either going to lose now or in the General.
Why aren't you Obama people accepting reality like the rest of us and agreeing that we should run with the strongest candidate?  


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:02:03 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 0)

He's not going to lose now, and based on the past two major national polls to come out (ABC/Post and Quinnipiac) he's further ahead of McSame that Clinton-and that's in light of the fact that he's been fighting two candidates at once. He'll be up by 10+ points within six weeks and will roll over Bush's heir apparent in November.

Hope to have you come around and join the Democrats fight for the White House when you've gotten past your angry cynicism.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:28:33 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (1.00 / 0)

You people really do run on hope, don't you.

Get out of your bubble and see the truth-- Obama's lost half the Democratic base already.  He's done.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:37:36 PM EST
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Said the girl in the bubble. n/t (none / 0)


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:31:28 PM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 0)

TODAY...

"I'm going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is -- obviously I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama." -- HRC

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/14/c linton/index.html


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:38:25 PM EST
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Re: AHEM (none / 0)

Oh, and you don't???  Clinton is behind in just about every single metric she's ever touted as "important" and you still think she is going to WIN.  

methinks thou doth project too much.

By your logic, Clinton has already "lost half the democratic base" but you think she's going to WIN???

Get out of YOUR bubble and join us in reality.


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:42:10 PM EST
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Re: AHEM (none / 0)

So there IS a quitter in you somewhere?


by niksder on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:53:12 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (none / 0)

So you're going to RESIGN yourself to President McCain as if you have nothing to do with making that determination.

And if there is no President McCain?  What will you do THEN?


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:40:13 PM EST
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Re: AHEM (1.00 / 0)

"no mathematical way" Obama can win the presidency without winning working class white, upper class women,  and latino voters. You can use actual math to verify that ;->

I think the issues of race could go either way. Many more black voters coming out to vote. Some racist white voters who would otherwise go Dem.

But Obama has the famous McGovern coalition. He can't win in November without older voters, white & latino women, low information voters, and working class voters. You know what we call these people? "Reagan Democrats" If Obama is nominated we will start calling them "McCain Democrats".

All the contempt in the world will not make these voters go Obama. You can call them names until you fall from exhaustion. It won't help.

Here is some math:
So with  half the FL & MI delegates seated that means

4230(.5) delegates
2115 (.25) to win
1883 for Obama
1793 (.5) for Hillary
2115 (.5) is required to win.

I am keeping the .5 in there because it is possible that every delegate will be given .5 vote instead of allowing half the delegates to vote.

with a difference of 89(.5) and 392 uncommitted supers, meaning

OB has to win 60% to make it to 2115
HRC has to win 82% to make it 2115

We all have the numbers without the delegations, not going to happen.

SO let's look at the other not going to happen. Let's compare this will fully seating the delegations. Then the difference is their delegate count is about 30.

OB has to win 61.5% to make it to 2208
HRC has to win 55.7% to make it 2208


by redwagon on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:11:32 PM EST
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Re: AHEM (none / 0)

Just because certain demographis have thus far voted for Clinton in the PRIMARY, doesn't mean they will abandon the democratic nominee just because it's NOT Clinton.  It's ridiculous to argue that becuase Obama hasn't won those demographics in the PRIMARY, the he couldn't win them for the GENERAL.

I mean, I understand where you guys are coming from.  Honestly I do.  I was a big Dean supporter in '04 and it broke my heart to see him lose.  And Kerry, well, he wasn't my second choice, he wasn't even my third choice.  He was tied for 4th choice with Ghephart.  But I would sooner bite off my own EAR than vote for George W Bush so when the time came, I was actually happy to vote for Kerry.

So I understand how hopeful Clinton supporters are, but that's no excuse for some of the behavior I've seen.  It's disgraceful and intellectually dishonest.


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:46:57 PM EST
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Re: AHEM (none / 0)

That is a straight linear calculation with simple percentages. There is nothing dishonest about dividing by 2 and subtracting.

What a strange objection. Math does not have a known bias.


by redwagon on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:32:39 PM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 0)

I'm not sure I understand why all the Clinton supporters here want her to lose at the convention and not before.  A loss is a loss and she doesn't have the delegates no matter when they are counted.


by Gene In PA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:21:19 AM EST
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It won't go to the convention (2.00 / 1)

At the average of 4 SDs a day, plus wins for Obama in OR, MT, and SD, he will surpass the needed delegates to claim the nomination. Even if they seat MI and FL at 50% giving him a share of the MI delegates (which is the probable outcome), he'll pass the adjusted delegate threshold by June 3.

There will be no convention battle, because the party elders know what it would do to the party.

I applaud Clinton and her supporters for a hard fought battle, but the reality of the situation is clear.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:31:52 AM EST
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He already has 2.5 this morning (none / 0)

and the endorsement of a MI SD that won't count until the DNC makes their decision. Drip, drip,....


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:27:35 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 4)

Just a quick reminder about the purpose of the convention -- to choose the best nominee, which is Hillary Clinton.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:37:34 AM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 0)

well if you are the best qualified to decide the nominee, why are we even having an election?

Obviously many people disagree with you and it's rather undemocratic of you to assume that you are the only one who's right and anyone who doesn't agree is wrong.


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:40:12 AM EST
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Electing a Candidate (2.00 / 3)

Fortunately, more people agree with Clinton supporters:

From ABC news..popular vote as of right now:

Clinton 16,675,133
Obama 16,642,575


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:59:27 AM EST
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Of course (2.00 / 0)

You're using Jerome's favorite tactic of including the unsanctioned MI and FL contests and ignoring (disenfranchising, anyone?) the voters in four caucus states. Until the MI/FL question is settled, Obama leads by over 700,000 votes.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:44:07 AM EST
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Only because they're (2.00 / 2)

citizens of the United States who actually happen to have cast a ballot in an election their state legislature sanctioned.  I guess that's just beyond the kiln.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:10:20 PM EST
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DNC makes the rule guiding the nomination process (2.00 / 1)

not the state legislatures.

I have a feeling that MI/FL will get their 50%. No more, no less. The best you could hope for in terms of actual vote would be to have FL's count. No way that MI's counts toward the total with Obama following the pledge and removing his name from the ballot.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:34:57 PM EST
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This may be painful to see (2.00 / 0)

so you may wish to avert your eyes, KnowVox.

Photobucket


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:47:58 AM EST
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Re: This may be painful to see (2.00 / 1)

"If you are a voter from Florida or Michigan, you know that we should count your vote. The nearly 2.5 million Americans in those two states who participated in the primary elections are in danger of being excluded from our democratic process, and I think that's wrong." --Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:26:08 PM EST
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Fortunately (2.00 / 0)

Hillary Clinton doesn't make the rules (at least in the real world).


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:31:44 PM EST
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funny how the popular vote... (none / 0)

...was only important when Clinton SAID it was important.  I remember when it USED to be the number of delegates and superdelegates that was important.

And does that "popular vote" also include caucuses? (which many states have used?) because if not you're essentially writing off over a dozen states because it doesn't fit neatly into your metrics.

For people who are so adamant on screaming that MI and FL should count, why aren't you counting caucus states?

Oh wait, that's right.  If Clinton didn't win them then they don't matter.

The only thing that matters is what CLINTON says matters.  And that's the saddest thing of all.


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:53:18 PM EST
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Re: AHEM (2.00 / 1)

Oh yeah!

The Clinton's are winners.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:04:17 AM EST
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That's great news! (2.00 / 6)

That means Obama will have to work a little longer and he's nowhere near the delegate clinch his supporters thinks is his.

That gives Hillary a nice opening. Thanks Al!


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:03:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That's great news! (2.00 / 4)

Obama tonight:

"I haven't won this nomination."


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:45:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McAuliffe disagrees (none / 0)

So with  half the delegates seated that means

4230(.5) delegates
2115 (.25) to win
1883 for Obama
1793 (.5) for Hillary
2115 (.5) is required to win.

I am keeping the .5 in there because it is possible that every delegate will be given .5 vote instead of allowing half the delegates to vote.

with a difference of 89(.5) and 392 uncommitted supers, right?

OB has to win 60% to make it to 2115
HRC has to win 82% to make it 2115

We all have the numbers without the delegations. Let's compare this will fully seating the delegations. Then the difference is their delegate count is about 30.

OB has to win 61.5% to make it to 2208
HRC has to win 55.7% to make it 2208
i.e. 30 more delegates


by redwagon on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:51:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Congratulations (2.00 / 2)

I'm glad Clinton got another big win.  We on the other side of the primary forget that you guys don't have as many blowouts. :) I hope it helps with fundraising.

Truly there was no way Obama could have won that state.  I'm impressed.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:48:57 PM EST

Re: Congratulations (2.00 / 5)

WV wants a President who cares about them!


by SHIBAM8P on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:53:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congratulations (1.88 / 9)

So does Kentucky, Florida, Michigan, etc. HRC has a FIFTY STATE strategy!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:59:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

really? (2.00 / 2)

thats strange because there a nice number of states her campaign thinks is insignificant.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:23:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congratulations (2.00 / 2)

Well, other than those pesky caucus states.  Oh, and the ones that border Illinois, except for Indiana.  Oh, and red states that voted for Obama.

Oh my, that's significantly LESS than fifty, isn't it?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:23:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congratulations (2.00 / 2)

My sides are hurting...


by oliver cromwell on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:20:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congratulations (none / 0)

Seriously - how can you say that with a straight face?  You are now offically known as Mr. Short Term Memory Man.

You guys discount small states, red states, caucus states, states near Illinois, Illinois, states with large AA populations, States without Unicorns, etc. and now say she is running a 50 state strategy?  You are completely insane.  When the nurse comes around with the little white cup with pills in them, thake the pills and put them in your mouth.  It will quiet the voices in your head.


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:42:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congratulations (2.00 / 2)

And they continue to prove they will never learn.
Voted for Clinton Twice.  Voted for Bush Twice.
How did that work out for them?

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:00:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What does that mean? (2.00 / 2)

Do the other states NOT want a president that cares about them?

Do all the states Obama has won want a president that DOESN'T care about them?  Are you even alluding that Obama doesn't care?

What the heck are you talking about?


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:41:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congratulations (2.00 / 2)

You're right.  He could never win WV.

He can't win working class white people, older women and the elderly.  Oh, and he can't win latinos, either.

In other words, Obama can't win the General.  Why are his supporters forcing the nomination on a sure loser?  

GO HILLARY GO!!!


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:07:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Er, not so much that. (none / 0)

The prevailing political climate in West Virginia is not the prevailing political climate in the rest of the country.

Obama's supporters aren't "forcing" anything.  They made their selection, and there are more of them than Clinton supporters.

Listen, I'm trying to congratulate your candidate here.  I think she got a great win and admit that there are demographics that she's stronger than Obama in.  Don't make this into a slap-fight.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:23:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Er, not so much that. (none / 0)

I disagree with your assertion that more Democrats "selected" Obama over Clinton.  

This Primary season has been a real eye-opener.  One man- one vote just doesn't apply in so many instances.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:43:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (1.88 / 9)

She has won more contests and popular votes since March 4th and has the big mo going into the convention in Denver!  SD`s, are you listening!


by mcctx on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:49:01 PM EST

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (1.88 / 9)

They will if they we want to win in November!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:00:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 7)

Straight up!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:04:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 3)

but momentum hasn't translated into cash.

That's why the campaign is $20,000,000 in the red.

why would the supers pick someone who is bankrupt.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:00:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So money should decide presidents (2.00 / 6)

Are you a Republican now? She's raised more money than any candidate who's ever run before. But she didn't raise enough, and money should decide presidents. Awesome!


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:05:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't worry; (none / 0)

delegates will decide our nominee.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:06:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

In August, they sure will (2.00 / 4)

They'll look at the popular vote, including the Florida and Michigan popular vote, and do the right thing.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:13:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In August, they sure will (2.00 / 1)

This will be over long before August. Surrogates of both parties (not to mention more than a few undeclared superdelegates) have been saying so for weeks.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:17:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In August, they sure will (2.00 / 1)

Surrogates of both parties

No. No No NO! We are ONE party. We are the same party. The GOP brand is ruined (see Congressman-elect Travis Childers), and the only way we can possibly lose the White House is if the handful of Hillary supporters and the handful of Barack supporters who have their heads in the sand refuse to recognize that either Democratic candidate is a million times more qualified than John McCain.
Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:28:26 PM EST
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Re: Don't worry; (2.00 / 6)

... in AUGUST.

Until then - nothing's set in stone and a LOT can happen in the next few months.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:25:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

what exactly do you think will happen? (2.00 / 1)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:29:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't worry; (1.40 / 5)

But some things never change, alegre.

Not only can you never be gracious in losing, you can't even be gracious in victory to those that offer sincere congratulations.

You're way more concentrated on trying to grab more donations for your candidate and twirling the Penn/Mcauliffe/Wolfson campaign spin and used-car- salesman hype on this blog.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:37:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary isn't going to contest the results (2.00 / 1)

you underestimate Hillary, if you think Hillary campaigns for her nomination after june 15th.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:49:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Alegre... (2.00 / 1)

...there is not much more LEFT to happen.  There are not many more states LEFT to vote.

What ever happens with MI and FL, Clinton has too much ground to make up and not enough states to make it up in.  the SDs are not turning for her, they are turning away from her.

What are you going to do if August comes and Clinton is NOT the nominee?  What are you going to do if it's decided before August and it doesn't go the way you HOPE with all your heart it will?


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:46:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry (none / 0)

you have only weeks.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:29:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So money should decide presidents (1.00 / 3)

Well, Hillary believes in money (from other people).
Hillary is now touting the poor kid who cashed in his bike and video game to donate to her lost campaign.
I'm betting he'd be really pissed if he finds out that his very real sacrifice pays off Mark Penn's invoices and Hillary's 'loan' to her own campaign.

And I'd actually be willing to donate $10 to give that kid back part of his ripped off donation, if I could send it directly to the boy, not through the HRC campaign!


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:52:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

bankruptcy is a big deal (2.00 / 1)

she doesn't have to have the most cash to win, but she has to have some

you can't run a general election campaign with none.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:54:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So money should decide presidents (2.00 / 1)

Any candidate except Obama.  Oh, and Obama didn't blow all his money on a poorly managed, disorganized campaign.


by sidwood on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:13:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 1)

The Clintons' net worth is in the hundreds of millions.  She has gobs of money to spare.

How does $20 million bankrupt her again?


by leisure on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:36:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (none / 0)

Worked for Mitt Romney.

Wait...


by sidwood on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:14:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 4)

Clinton wins since 3/4:

Pennsylvania
Indiana
West Virginia

Obama wins since 3/4:

Wyoming
Mississippi
Guam
North Carolina

You are correct that she has more popular votes since March 4th, netting 140,000 out of 5.8 million cast.

SD's are listening. Unfortunately, since 3/4 Clinton has only picked up 30.5 supers to his 91. Not the trend you're looking for.

I'm sorry, but Clinton doesn't have the big mo. They've basically tied in delegates and popular vote since March 4th, but he's gaining a ton of superdelegate endorsements and she's running out of time.


John McCain supports dismantling Social Security
by DesideriusErasmus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:27:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (none / 0)

I think you forgot OH and IN primaries since Mar 4th!  Just two little mid-western states with one bordering IL.  She won the primaries unlike the rigged caucus votes like TX proved to everyone on Mar 4th.  Furthermore, she was almost even with Obama in the NE vote yesterday.  Just some more proof of a bad caucus system! The GE will not be a caucus.


by mcctx on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:47:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (none / 0)

I meant to say you forgot OH and TX on March 4th, not IN.


by mcctx on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:50:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (none / 0)

Oh, I thought by "since" you meant "after." Yes OH & TX (and VT & RI) were on 3/4.

But why do contests relevant to momentum begin on the day of Clinton's most significant wins? Why not start with the Wisconsin and Hawaii? or the Potomac Primaries? or Super Tuesday?


John McCain supports dismantling Social Security
by DesideriusErasmus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:07:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 6)

His projection sheet showed her winning 55 to 43. He only got something like 8% in Mingo county, next door to Kentucky.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:51:36 PM EST

I would not talk about projections (2.00 / 1)

Hillary said she would win on Super Tuesday


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:26:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 5)

She clobbered him - 41% victory gap baby!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:26:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

totally reminds me of (2.00 / 1)

Hawaii.

52% victory gap there though


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:34:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 1)

and picked up a whopping 13 pledged delegates.  Now she's "only" about 150 behind with 189 or so remaining up for grabs.

And Obama has overtaken her in supers, with 2 more so far today.

Sorry, but it's too little too late for Sen. Clinton.


by TexH on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:31:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (none / 0)

His projection sheet assumed he'd be campaigning there.  He hardly did.


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:47:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 10)

i gave another $50....talked mom into $100.


by nikkid on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:54:28 PM EST

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 5)

All RIGHT!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:06:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you (2.00 / 0)

the more you contribute, the less we'll be asked to offset when this is done.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:30:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank you (none / 0)

As soon as she drops out, I will donate $100 - sort of a parting gift to her.


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:46:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How many delegates did she pick up (2.00 / 1)

tonight?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:55:02 PM EST

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (1.90 / 11)

Her margin is going to go up to 67-68 hey algre did you see this?

NE: President - Democrat  
74% OF PRECINCTS REPORTING
  Hillary Clinton (D) 39,415 50%

 Barack Obama (D) 39,259 50%

Thats NE's primary results from tonight more proof caucuses do NOT represent the people's will


by rossinatl on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:55:18 PM EST

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 3)

rossinati - where did you find that NE poll/vote?


by nikkid on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:59:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 2)

wow.


by environmentally blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:31:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Proves the folly of early numbers (none / 0)

Obama Edges Out Clinton in Nebraska Primary
Posted: May 14, 2008 01:53 AM
Lincoln, NE - In Nebraska's presidential primary, Presumptive Republican nominee John McCain took the top spot.

In the Democratic primary for president, Barack Obama came from behind to beat Hillary Clinton.  With 97 percent of precincts reporting Tuesday night, Obama won 49 percent of the vote. Clinton received 46 percent.


by bookish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:34:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 5)

i gave another $50....talked mom into $100.


by nikkid on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:56:58 PM EST

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 2)

Yippie!!!!! :o)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:31:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Congratulations (2.00 / 3)

Hello alegre and all Hillary supporters.

I want to sincerely congratulate Senator Clinton and all her supporters for the fine win of the West Virginia primary today.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:56:59 PM EST

Re: Congratulations (2.00 / 3)

Thank you.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:00:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congratulations (none / 0)

You're welcome.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:02:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Wins West Virginia - BIG! (2.00 / 3)

you could have named the diary "Hillary Wins Swing State West Virginia in Monster Landslide"


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:02:29 AM EST

Just like Indiana!! (2.00 / 2)

full steam ahead!!


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodg