Preener Obama

by Jerome Armstrong, Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:42:51 PM EST

O, showing it in jeans for the photo-op, saying "no flash".

Do we really have to have to nominate our version of Bush?

I really miss that good old site, "Media Whores Online."

Update [2008-5-13 19:15:46 by Jerome Armstrong]: Heh, Obama supporters are offended by the comparison of Obama's preening for the media with Bush's preening for the media. Certainly Obama's agenda will be different that Bush's, thank goodness, but in this regard, it is what it is I'm afraid.




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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 2)

< pokes eyes out >


by mlr701 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:43:59 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (1.09 / 11)

We can't let this happen.....


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:53:16 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 6)

Again... absolutely disgusting.  You realize I could do the exact same cartoon with Hillary?  But then Jerome might ban me.


by brathor on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:57:09 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 0)

You could, but the people would all have to be women of a certain age and beta males.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:00:15 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (1.00 / 5)

No, THIS is disgusting....


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:01:14 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 0)

And... knowvox posts this a third time.  Yee-ha!


by mikeinsf on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:03:19 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 2)

It's easy to post when it's the person's wallpaper.


by rfahey22 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:09:19 PM EST
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LOL (2.00 / 4)

Some of the Clinton supporters here seem a little too obsessed with Obama...


by Skaje on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:18:30 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (1.80 / 5)

Something tells me there are a handfull of users (you know the typical crowd) who stay up in the wee hours of the morning drawing evil handlebar mustasches on photos of Obama, while dressed in tin-foil and eating mayonaise and vitamin snadwinches.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:21:21 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

portia9 = TR abuse


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:51:04 AM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

Luckily, I've already poked my eyes out so I can't see it.....


by mlr701 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:19:30 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (1.00 / 1)

This is hilarious!


by Juno on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:24:05 PM EST
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what is in his hand? (2.00 / 1)

is that a taser?


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:08:00 PM EST
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Re: what is in his hand? (1.00 / 2)

It's his own personalized transponder to communicate directly to heaven.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:29:40 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

But PLEASE!!!!

No photos of Hillary in jeans.


by Bush Bites on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:11:29 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 1)

you add SO much to the discussion here...


by Skaje on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:05:41 PM EST
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Words (and images) work! (1.14 / 7)

The Bush Jr. of our party makes Frank Luntz so proud.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:44:34 PM EST

How Trivial! (none / 0)

Hillary leaves all her preening to her makeup artist, and her hair stylist.


McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.
by Lefty Coaster on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:05:21 AM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 19)

Oh come on, this is a front-page story?  Good lord.

Can't a candidate have a bit of a sense of humor?  And how in the world does posing as a joke for a couple seconds in an informal setting turn Obama into "our version of Bush"?

This is pretty much a new low for MyDD, sadly.


by ChrisKaty on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:44:40 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 3)

Give it time. Hillary's still in the race.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:46:37 PM EST
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I wonder (2.00 / 3)

if MyDD will end when Hillary's campaign does or will  it turn into Obama-bashing central for 8 years.

I'm still waiting for Jerome to explain how his support of Clinton is consistent with CTG. Doesn't seem to be at all. She and her minions are the establishment that he and Markos appeared to be railing at.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:48:42 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (1.80 / 5)

Partisan wise?  Do you really want to sell me that bridge that Obama is the partisan fighting Dem that CTG talks about, or the mapchanger, or the populist?

Come on now.


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:54:57 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (2.00 / 6)

Compared to Clinton? Hell yeah. He created a movement from the ground up, beat the crap out of the Establishment using people power, and opens up the West in ways that no one else has.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:58:11 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (2.00 / 2)

I think you are overlooking one important factor in this movement - the media.  The media bought into first and pushed it.  It will be interesting to see who they favor now, since the media loves both Obama and McCain.


by badu on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:05:04 PM EST
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The media didn't create the (2.00 / 1)

numbers of donors or the $$$. The media didn't get those boots on the ground. The media responded to the effectiveness of the movement not the other way around. McCain is a sacrificial lamb.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:09:24 PM EST
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So when the media was telling us... (2.00 / 2)

that Clinton was inevitable, they were sublimely building the strongest fundraising and volunteer network in the history of the world.  Wow.  Thanks!


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:11:14 PM EST
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Two Words: Fairness Doctrine (none / 0)

Obama hates the media, and With Good Reason.

I'm not so sure hillary would have that axe to grind, though i would if I were in her shoes.

Maybe if she had made that argument, I would have been more willing to vote for 'er.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:43:27 PM EST
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It's just advertising and you're buying it... (none / 0)

People Powered Movement:

But to capitalize on his celebrity, Mr. Obama's campaign has also employed novel tactics -- like counting sales of $5 speech tickets or $4.50 Obama key chains as individual contributions -- to pump up his numbers and transform grass-roots enthusiasm into more useful forms of support. No other campaign is known to have listed paraphernalia sales as donations.

Not Establishment-then who ARE his biggest donors:

Kenneth Griffin, head of the Chicago-based hedge fund Citadel Investment Group LLC and among Mayor Richard Daley's top financial patrons.; Robert Wolf, America's chairman for Swiss-based UBS Investment Bank; at least 17 of his major fundraisers are managers at either hedge funds or private equity funds; Exelon is the sixth largest donor to Sen. Obama's presidential campaign and the fourth largest career donor to Obama's federal campaigns (Exelon's CEO is a key advocate for storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain);there is the director of General Dynamics, the military supplier that has seen profits soar since the onset of the Iraq war and that has benefited from at least one Obama earmark.; partners from 18 top law firms, 21 Wall Street executives and power brokers from Fortune 500 companies;  Neil G. Bluhm, the billionaire casino developer who plans to put a slot parlor in Philadelphia.

Anyway, none of this means anything to Obama supporters who are looking for a movement messiah instead of a president. He's just a politician who saw an opportunity to parlay his persona and rhetoric into the next new thing neatly packaged as the candidate for all seasons by speaking in vague generalities with rhetoric designed to soothe the longing souls of people buffeted by years of Bush and Republican rule.

Preening for the press is just part of a hard day's work.

Just like I don't buy religion, I don't buy what he's selling-too thin on substance and too full of ego for me.


berkshiretrueblue Commited to helping elect a Democrat as President "Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo" Ambroise Bierce
by berkshiretrueblue on Tue May 13, 2008 at 10:02:06 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (2.00 / 6)

Obama is the Mapchanger.  Clinton is the Partisan.  Edwards was the populist.  And I really believe that.


by NewOaklandDem on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:58:12 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (2.00 / 6)

Obama's campaign is a campaign of a community organizer.  Clinton's campaign is a campaign of a poll-testing DLC-loving Washington insider.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:01:34 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (2.00 / 2)

Rhetorically Edwards was the populist. Though his history is less than populist. However, as a trial attorney who took on the big guys for the little gyys there's no doubt that he has real populist blood in those veins. Same for Obama who skipped Corporate Land (i.e. Walmart) for public interest law has that same blood. He just can't use the same rhetoric as he has a different set of rules that he must play by.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:03:30 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (2.00 / 1)

Compared to DLC, Republican-lite Clinton?

Hell yes he is!


by Lawyerish on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:01:40 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (2.00 / 1)

Compared to the bridge you are trying to sell us tha he is the same as Bush...?  I'll buy the partisan bridge thank you... at least it is somewhat rooted in reality.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:05:34 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (none / 0)

The bridge to 1995.


McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.
by Lefty Coaster on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:09:58 AM EST
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Clinton (2.00 / 3)

Is the epitome of our CTG boogeyman, along with cohorts Mark Penn, Terry McAuliffe, and Co.

As for map changing, Obama is exactly that. He, unlike Clinton, doesn't think OH-PA-FL is the only path to victory.


by kos on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:11:30 PM EST
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Re: Clinton (2.00 / 0)

That's what I got from the book so I just don't get it. Obama isn't the perfect CTG warrior but he's so much closer than Clinton that over-the-top defenses of her and attacks on Obama really damage Mr. Armstrong's credibility.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:43:43 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (2.00 / 4)

Jerome, large portions of CTG were about the freaking DLC, and you want us to go with their '08 standard bearer.  

Voting for the war, never agreeing that it was a mistake, sponsoring laws against flag burning, and giving Bush a standing ovation when he talks about the success of the surge, and blithering on about "obliterating Iran" are the ultimate in the faux Republican crap we put up with during the DLC period of dominance that ended in 2004-5 with Howard Dean's rise.  A time you seem determined to return us to.  

Hell, even the rightwingers are talking about how Hillary's running a rightwing campaign.  Complete with the smears not based on any issue.  As this site has become rife with, and as this post is a prime example of.

Also, what happened to "At this point, I'm personally about as detached from whomever wins as I've ever been. If Obama gets the nod, that's fine with me; but it does look like the Clinton campaign is going to keep on going and making their best argument for getting the nomination."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/7/10541 5/6583

The only thing that's detached about you is your writing from your cognitive reasoning abilities.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:13:49 PM EST
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Not to mention video games! (none / 0)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:46:16 PM EST
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A three line diary and an insulting attack... (2.00 / 8)

I'm reporting you to the admins of MYDD for making a contentless attack diary. You have been warned. I'm emailing Jerome now...

Oh. Oops.

Am I banned too now?


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:13:52 PM EST
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Re: A three line diary and an insulting attack... (none / 0)

That's pretty funny.  


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:00:58 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (none / 0)

so...tempted....to trollrate...must...resist...urge...


by Skaje on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:38:28 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (none / 0)

I get a sense that Markos wrote most of the book, no?


"More War Years! More War Years!" ~John McCain
by Tommy Flanagan on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:16:42 PM EST
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Re: I wonder (none / 0)

And you're a moderator for a supposedly progressive blog. You should be ashamed of yourself.


by Djo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:39:13 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 6)

I agree... and from Jerome to use the term, "our version of Bush"..?  Come on...  are we that devoid of hyperbole at this point that THAT's the only comparison you think to be apt... no other Democrat you find similar...?  

But no, he's not YOUR candidate, so you feel justified in going for the ultimate smear...?


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:49:00 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 2)

Look, we have members on THIS site who run this website:

http://777denny.wordpress.com/

And there is no consequences.
Don't be too suprised to hear a site moderator compare our best canidate in HISTORY to the most blood thirsty tyrant our nation has seen since Richard Nixon.

To compare Obama to Bush in any way is either completely juvenile or borderline psycotic, that is if you consider yourself a democrat.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:36 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 1)

I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say juvenile...

But, that comment (or the entire diary) should be deleted.  

Front page...?  Really....?  Of a progressive blog...?


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:03:20 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (1.00 / 1)

No, its easy to see the similarities if you aren't drinking the Obama Kool-aid.


by badu on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:07:08 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 0)

Go ahead.
Give us some.
by Benjaminomeara on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:10:14 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 4)

Similarities between Bush and Obama
They both wear jeans from time to time.
They have both been photographed wearing cowboy hats
They are both male
They both have 1/2 white blood (of course Bush's other half is also white... but that doesn't mean the first half isn't just a white as Obama's.)
They are both Christians (well, at least Obama is.)
They both live in the United States
They both are going to be ex-presidents someday.  

See... lots of identical characteristics.   I rest my case.  :)


by ruscle on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:47:21 PM EST
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Let me try to be juvenile (none / 0)

I have noticed this for many months now (since Janurary) that Obama is the Democratic version of Bush.

-- uniter, not a divider? check.
-- I don't have Washington experience? check.
-- Press darling? check.
-- end of partisanship, bipartisanship? check.
-- doing something and then accusing your opponent of that? check.

I could go on.  But the important thing is PRESS. Neither Bush, nor Obama would have been here without the press.

That's why the blame for the War, and the mess in America is first with Bush, but a very close second is Press.  I have said it to those (Big Tent Democrat at TalkLeft) who prefer Obama b/c the press likes him (or he plays the press well), and say it again.  Just remember who they are.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:15:28 PM EST
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Re: Let me try to be juvenile (1.66 / 3)

Indeed the very fact that the PRESS luvs them some Barry should give any thoughtful progressive pause.

Really, really should.

I can hear the sounds of millions of head exploding when, having gotten The Bitch out of the way...just as they eliminated JRE, the PRESS does what is has planned all along and uses the Cerebrus of Wright, Rezko and Auchi to utterly destroy Precious.

Heads....popping like popcorn as they realize.....

They've been 'bamboozled'.

Hahhhahaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhahhhaaa!
.


by Pericles on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:24:42 PM EST
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Re: Let me try to be juvenile (none / 0)

You really are a complete tosser!


by telfishbackagain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:49:32 PM EST
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Didn't you see!? (2.00 / 4)

I totally saw him flip someone off in that video!

/snark


by protothad on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:00:59 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 1)

I agree - this isn't really worthy of the front page. All candidates preen and joke and perform for the camera. It's not really a big deal.


by edgeplot on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:41:43 PM EST
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Our version of Bush? No. He's not a gun-totin (2.00 / 2)

shot drinker and he's at the head of the class rather than bringing up the rear.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:46:42 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 1)

already saw that video once today, that's enough.

ugh.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:46:42 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 8)

Really running out of astute political commentary these days, aren't we?


by rfahey22 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:46:55 PM EST

Bush succeeded. (none / 0)

His administration accomplished more neoconservative goals than could possibly be predicted.

So to answer your question, yes.

ps. he's the nominee, deal with it.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:47:02 PM EST

This is not what I like about MyDD (2.00 / 12)

Jerome, when are you going to stop this?  Obama is most likely going to be our nominee, and I would really like to see him beat McCain.  Would you?  What do you plan to do to help our nominee win?


I voted for Hillary, but would be happy with Obama!
by deepee on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:47:06 PM EST

Jerome, your hate is showing (2.00 / 6)

might want to cover that up once Obama is the nominee, for the sake of democracy


by Slim Tyranny on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:47:28 PM EST

Re: Jerome, your hate is showing (2.00 / 3)

Little too late for that.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:04:38 PM EST
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heh, point/counterpoint (none / 0)

RLM, you win this round


by Slim Tyranny on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:08:05 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 12)

That's true, Obama really is just like W.  I mean, after all W was also raised by a single mom, got scholarships to the best schools, made his way to Harvard on his own merits, and then became the first african american to serve as head of the Harvard Law Review.  Before walking away from a guaranteed huge pay check to serve the community.  Yep, that's W all right.

Wait...


by HSTruman on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:49:35 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

well, you could have just described Bill Clinton, whom Obamans despise now (flip flop).

But Obama has run a very similar campaign to Bush's, believe it or not.


by Juno on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:54:53 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 2)

I don't despise Bill Clinton. And actually Obama's campaign is a whole lot like the Clinton of 1992.  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:04:11 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 2)

Agreed.... from a poli sci point of view, the comparisons between Obama and Clinton's ('92) campaigns are numerous...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:08:20 PM EST
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we do know things like this! (none / 0)

glad people remember them!


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:51:35 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 2)

Obama doesn't despise Bill and neither do I.  Criticism doesn't = hatred, it means that Bill isn't perfect.  Nobody is.  

Also, are you really arguing that Bill's preisdency wasn't a let down on some level?  He was a good president, but for such a singular political talen he didn't accomplish near as much as a lot of us hoped for in 1992.  


by HSTruman on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:10:45 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

I said Obamans, not Obama, and the rhetoric from his supporters toward both Clintons is impossible to tell from Republicans' from the 1990s. That is the only unity I've seen Obama compel, btw.

No president can accomplish everything he or she wants, and Obama will be no different if he's president, and hopefully if he is, he will not have the GOP trying to hound him out of office every second of every day.

But you too sound like Republicans, and I'm sure they're enjoying the newfound 50% of Democrats who suddenly agree with them about Clinton!


by Juno on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:22:15 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

What a nonresponsive response.  Bill wasn't perfect, and I didn't like some of the things he did.  And losing Congress for the first time in a generation, along with statehouses accross the country, is not a good mark for anyone's resume.  He also did lots of good things.  The idea that saying that makes me, or any other Obama supporter, "like a republican" is laughable.  I mean seriously, whose "drinking Koolaid" when any criticism of someone you like is automatically out of bounds.  Yikes.


by HSTruman on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:36:52 AM EST
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I criticise Clinton for lying about Inflation (none / 0)

I think that was downright immoral.

But... that's about the only thing I have against him -- and compared to REPUBLICANS? man, there's no contest. We haven't elected an honest Republican since Eisenhower -- who I would have voted for.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:53:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I respect Bill Clinton (2.00 / 2)

for his principled stand on balancing the budget if nothing else.  There is plenty to like about the Clinton years, but also plenty to criticize.  He caved in to the Republicans in some areas he should not have and deregulated some industries beyond what should have been allowed (with consequences we can see now).

No President, no matter how effective and well loved, is beyond criticism; all leaders make mistakes and it is the duty of those who come after to recognize and learn from them.


by protothad on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:49:22 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 2)

Spot On!


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:58:31 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 13)

This diary disgusts me on so many levels.  I might as well be on Red State.


by brathor on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:50:52 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 2)

It disgusted me too, I'm glad we agree on something.


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:52:46 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 5)

How old are you?  

<waits for answer>

THEN ACT LIKE IT.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:20 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 4)

Real amazing analysis.  Both have mugged for the cameras, therefore they are the same.

Forget background, ideology, education...


by mikeinsf on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:09:22 PM EST
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Jerome, I usually like how you run this site... (2.00 / 2)

But was this really necessary?  I wouldn't care if Hillary gave a twirl for the cameras, and neither should anyone care about this.  This is a complete non-issue.  Yeah, the die-hard Obama-haters are going to find a way to see a mortal character flaw in it... which is all the more reason you should rise above feeding such irrational behavior AND ACTUALLY FOCUS ON FREAKIN ISSUES!  Sorry, I'll stop yelling now.

I mean come, on... this is actually our likely nominee you are tearing down with this pointless crap.  Do you actually WANT four more years of Neocon rule?


by protothad on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:12:02 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 1)

I'm really interested in getting some democrats elected in 2008, which is why I really liked this site. Now, as they say, 'screw this noise.' Off to get banned!


by SupremeCourt on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:40:58 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

how can you have a (2.00 / 0) rating?


by semiquaver on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:51:45 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 1)

It probably has something to do with hide-rating Jerome. GBCW!!!


by SupremeCourt on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:58:05 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 3)

I'm zero-rating your post because your diary is so bad it deserves to be deleted.  I expect I'll have my ratings ability removed soon, and probably be banned.  It's okay.  Enjoy the traffic you've gained Jerome by letting the hillaryis44 and noquarter trolls take over your site, WITH your encouragement.

As you can easily tell, my userID number is 4310, and I have been here for four years now.  Most of your current users are over 30,000.  This is both due to the trolls that have invaded, as well as the fact that most of the oldtimers have long-since left in disgust.  This is not the mydd that I remember.


by Skaje on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:47:16 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

Jerome's removed all ratings from the users who zero-rated him. A brilliant rebuttal - we've now clearly seen the error of our ways. Thanks for the insight, Jerome.


Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:56:08 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 1)

Yup.  Knew it was coming.  Still worth it though.  This site is a joke.


by Skaje on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:36:24 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

Have a 2 in spirit.

(2.00 / 1)


Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:42:14 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

Have an invisible 4 on me. :)


by Skaje on Tue May 13, 2008 at 10:13:02 PM EST
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say whaaaa?? (2.00 / 1)

You're disgusted by your own diary?  That makes no sense whatsoever.


by N in Seattle on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:10:38 PM EST
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Obama is so much more intelligent (2.00 / 4)

than W.

Jerome is this necessary?


by puma on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:21 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 5)

Seriously Jerome, this is complete junk.  Why did you bother with this?  
Oh, and our own Bush?  Seriously, I know it was sarcasm but lets not even go there.
Vote Change in '08!
by iowa dem on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:51:26 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

Not sure what the big deal about this video is, I don't see anything offensive here, but I have seen a lot of similarities to Bush in Obama, from the beginning.

It's kind of creeped me out, but at least Obama isn't sinister like Bush.


by Juno on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:53:31 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 3)

Bush's defining characteristic is that he's a slow-thinking moron.  Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review.

Charisma isn't bad if it's backed up by smarts.


by jere7my on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:58:07 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 0)

"Charisma isn't bad if it's backed up by smarts."

Exactly!  One of the most ridiculous talking points from the Clinton folk is that having a bit of charisma and giving a good speech is a bad thing.


by mikeinsf on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:12:33 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

No one said it's a bad thing.  We're saying it doesn't qualify one for the presidency.


by Juno on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:51:38 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

You're absolutely right. My point is that Obama has many qualifications that Bush does not, and that the presence or absence of charm is not a litmus test.  Charm is largely irrelevant to the Presidency, so why bring it up?


by jere7my on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:17:09 AM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

Bush's defining characteristic is that he got by on looks and charm all his life.  And he was not qualified to be president, which has given us 8 years of disaster.  Obama is not ready for the presidency but his greed has pushed him into this.  If he had just had the sense to wait until he had at least completed one term as senator, and had some real accomplishments, his candidacy wouldn't be so hard to take.  Another similarity is his aversion to the press.  He has not been very open with the press on his plane.  Do you want another 8 years of that?


by badu on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:16:18 PM EST
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Do you not see the contradiction... (none / 0)

in calling him a media whore and saying that he has an aversion to the press?  Perhaps you should figure out which b.s. to go with, before you type.  Oh, wait.  I thought you were trying to use reason.  Obviously, I was mistaken.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:24:32 PM EST
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Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

My point stands: looks and charm aren't that important when measuring a President.  You can have great good-looking Presidents and great fugly-ass Presidents.  You should ignore them when you make your judgments, yes, but you should not presuppose failure because of their presence.

Bush failed because, among other things, he was a dumb jock with as much depth to his thinking as a skating rink.  His charm helped him to conceal his shallowness, but even in 1999 it was clear to most of us on the left that he was not an intellectual -- that he was, in fact, a C-student oilman who happened to be related to the VP of a popular President.

Obama is also charming, I agree.  But his charm is backed up by a depth of intellect that's frankly staggering.  He's given us two books worth of proof.  He's demonstrated his quick thinking, and his deep thinking, on the campaign trail. He's a constitutional scholar, for Pete's sake. That is sufficient, in my eyes, to take any statements like "He's got nothing behind the charm, just like W!" off the table.

Since he's going to be our nominee, I think Jerome's linking of Obama to Bush is divisive, disingenuous, and bad for the party.


by jere7my on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:33:27 PM EST
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Frat site (2.00 / 6)

What's with this crap on the front page?  Some great diaries go down without anyone reading them, and you know this is going to get hundreds of comments.  Not sure about anyone's judgment these days I guess.  There's a whole diary with half the comments about Chapaquiddick.  There's this joke of a clip.  There're articles about the environment and criminal justice and the military that go down without a splash.  

I don't get it.


by mady on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:52:26 PM EST

Bitter Jerome (2.00 / 8)

Do we really have to have to nominate our version of Bush?

Uncalled for.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:52:46 PM EST

To quote a trailblazer (2.00 / 5)

Jerome, please elaborate with detail what you mean by this.

I assuming 20 different things.

Also, did I just hear you compare Obama and Bush?


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:52:49 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 6)

I get the feeling that this is the post that's going to kill off whatever credibility you still had left as a serious commentator on American politics.


by Barrett Brown on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:52:58 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (2.00 / 3)

There is something very very wrong with the whole tone this post.  Something way too personally upset.  There is no distance, no judgment, just hate.


by mady on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:01:14 PM EST
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I agree (2.00 / 1)

Dare we say... Bitter?


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:07:28 PM EST
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Re: I agree (none / 0)

I think we dare.


by mady on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:52:59 PM EST
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Jesus (none / 0)

I wonder which media trainer told him to put that leg up. Here's 50 bucks that we see the 'how do I look in these', 'turn around, let me see your butt' and leg up in an ad, somewhere- assuming Obama gets the nod.
by linc on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:53:00 PM EST

Re: Jesus (2.00 / 2)

Give him a break, he's trying to win the cougars over!


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:41 PM EST
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can we test (none / 0)

that by counting how many write raaaar! after their vote for Obama on their ballot?
by linc on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:07:43 PM EST
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You are totally uncredible. (2.00 / 1)

Totally.


by tracey webb on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:53:53 PM EST

I can't believe how many posters are (none / 0)

attacking Jerome for this.  Pull the mote out of your own eye first.  It is the low brow way of the Obama supporters that destroyed reasonable progressive dialogue in the blogosphere.

In case you all need a primer - here you go

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/05/clinton_campaign_brought_sexis .html

At this point I think Jerome is literally trying to bail out a party that is about to hurl itself over a cliff with a weak nominee the year we should be trouncing the Republicans.  You think McCain's staff won't be using this video?


by Molee on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:54:36 PM EST

Re: I can't believe how many posters are (2.00 / 3)

Ahh, I see, so by saying Obama is "our version of Bush", Jerome is restoring "reasonable progressive dialogue in the blogsphere."

Sort of like this post:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/07/ i-call-a-spade-a-spade/


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:58:36 PM EST
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When I see tripe like this on FP at DailyKos . . . (2.00 / 3)

Oh, that's right, I don't.  Because Kos editors have standards, whether their candidate is up or down.  And I don't recall a frontpager that came close to comparing Hillary Clinton (or Obama, or any other Dem candidate back when most Kossacks supported Edwards) to W.

Again, I expect to see stuff like this from random users in comments, and even a few crazy diaries, but the front page?

Pathetic.


by Spirit of Fighting Bob on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:59:32 PM EST
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Re: When I see tripe like this on FP at DailyKos . (2.00 / 1)

Your kidding right?  DailyKos has posted much worse on Hillary.


by badu on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:24:49 PM EST
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Re: When I see tripe like this on FP at DailyKos . (none / 0)

Uh huh. I see. I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason you couldn't be bothered to provide a link or anything. Just keep repeating "but THEY did it first!" Also, I'm glad you're sticking up for the "but they started it!" defense - I haven't tried that one since I was in third grade.


by SupremeCourt on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:30:39 PM EST
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Not on the front page - the editors have stds. (none / 0)


by Spirit of Fighting Bob on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:09:00 PM EST
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so why is Obama ahead of McSame by 7 (2.00 / 1)

Obama v McSame 51-44

Clinton v McSame 46-43

Listening to you, it should be the other way around.

you're hero, with her 390 years of experience, is tied by McSame.  Some savior, she is.

And, she's $20,000,000 in debt.  HA!  Some savior.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:07:32 PM EST
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Re: so why is Obama ahead of McSame by 7 (1.33 / 3)

Look at the top of the page, pal.

See those maps?

Not just pretty pictures.

Check numbers on maps....

These are the numbers that matter.

Not raw national polling numbers.

Pull yer head out and realize what site you are on and what  it was founded on.

.


by Pericles on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:31:11 PM EST
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so you don't have an answer (none / 0)

why is Hillary polling so badly, in overnight polling?  


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:42:27 PM EST
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Tunnel Vision (2.00 / 12)

Jerome,

I have been a regular reader of MyDD for a long time. I am also an Obama supporter. Truth be told, for the most part I appreciate the fact that you and Todd and co. provide a perspective on the race that is not skewed by an overly idealistic view of Obama's candidacy.

But I have to be perfectly honest: I think your disdain for Obama has grown over the months to unreasonable proportions. I think it's the function of 1) what you perceive to be unfair attacks/criticisms/etc. on Hillary and 2) what you perceive to be unduly positive assessments of Obama and "the promise his candidacy holds."

Let's get real, though: "our version of Bush?"

Obama is not a dilettante. He is not a phony any more than Sen. Clinton is. They are more similar than they are different. He has a different organizational perspective and approach to politics in general (as in, she is more confrontational) and personal relations.

I think maybe you should revisit some of the core substantive things that drew you to Clinton in the first place. Perhaps make that a front page post: this is why I still believe this country needs Clinton. I know you outlined that rationale extensively a few months ago, but I think you are getting caught up in the process and losing your perspective.

Short of that, maybe just try to draw back a little and think--what would you say if Obama supporters were using similar issues (the jeans and a joking comment about flash) to criticize Clinton?


by lafftaff02 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:16 PM EST

Mediawhores Online... (none / 0)

Sigh...
Whenever I hear their name I get a case of the weepies.  I haven't been the same since they closed up shop.

No one has succeeded in taking their place.


by Radiowalla on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:21 PM EST

THIS Warrants The Front Page?? (2.00 / 3)

Comparing Obama to Bush?  I'd expect to see that in comments, but a FP?  Wow.

Is mydd still considered a top-tier progressive blog?  Maybe not.


by Spirit of Fighting Bob on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:25 PM EST

"top tier progressive blog" (2.00 / 1)

only in the minds of some.

a steadily diminishing number.


by rabidnation on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:58:05 PM EST
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It;s Too Bad, Really (2.00 / 1)

Because the FP articles here sometimes have interesting and insightful reporting and commentary (the rec list used to, but now it seems to be All Primaries All The Time -- I have hope that will pass).  We shall see if mydd recovers, but this is discouraging.


by Spirit of Fighting Bob on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:04:45 PM EST
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Re: THIS Warrants The Front Page?? (none / 0)

The key words here are "the Democrats' Bush", and Jerome is correct about that.


by Juno on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:18:18 PM EST
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"our version of bush" (2.00 / 1)

words come to mind:

deluded. petty. small. paltry. meager. bereft. pointless. infantile. cheap.

you seem to have really, really run out of ideas.


by rabidnation on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:54 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (none / 0)

Probably the same media trainer that coached him on this shot:


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:59 PM EST

Re: Preener Obama (