Oregon Looks Like Obama Country

by Jonathan Singer, Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:08:24 PM EST

Here are the latest results out of Oregon:

CandidateSurveyUSAPublic Policy
Polling (.pdf)		PollsterRCP
Obama545353.153.7
Clinton433939.840.3

Here's SUSA's write up:

Though the results are only slightly more in favor of Obama than SurveyUSA's most recent track point, released 11 days ago, before results of North Carolina and Indiana were known, there is movement in Oregon among women. 5 weeks ago, Clinton led by 7 among Oregon women. Today, Obama leads by 7. See the interactive tracking graph here. Among voters younger than Obama, Obama leads by 24 points. Among voters older than Republican John McCain, Clinton leads, but just barely, and by a lot less than she had. See the interactive tracking graph here. 4 in 10 of likely voters have already returned a ballot. Among the actual voters, Clinton and Obama tie. Obama's advantage comes entirely from the 6 in 10 likely voters who tell SurveyUSA they will return their ballot before 8 pm on Primary Day, but have not yet done so. All voting in Oregon is by U.S. mail. Ballots may be returned until 8 pm on 05/20/08.

Oregon will have the largest convention delegation of any of the remaining states or territories holding contests here on out (though Puerto Rico has slightly more pledged delegates). Perhaps more importantly, it's the only "blue" state remaining to vote, having backed every Democratic presidential nominee since Michael Dukakis and not having elected a Republican to a statewide elected position (other than Gordon Smith) in about a decade. So while there will be talk about tonight's results in West Virginia and those next week in Kentucky (and those from the other remaining primaries and caucuses), it looks like Oregon might be the only state left in play that will actually be key to putting a Democrat in the White House in November. With one week of balloting to go in the state (it conducts its vote completely by mail), this should be interesting.

Update [2008-5-13 17:58:32 by Jonathan Singer]: Obama is up 20 points in a Portland Tribune poll.




Tags: Oregon Primary, Oregon, Democratic Primaries (all tags)

Display:
Permalink :: 107 Comments :: Post a Comment


Oregon a G0-G0 (2.00 / 3)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:11:28 PM EST

Re: Oregon a G0-G0 (2.00 / 1)

Barack definitely wins the hottie vote by a wide margin.


by JJE on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:34:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon a G0-G0 (2.00 / 1)

please god no abercrombie and fitch wearing douchebags behind him when he gives his victory speech, please god no abercombie and....


by Jordache on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:07:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't think (2.00 / 1)

they'll be making that mistake again.  No mo' bros in the background, bro.


by JJE on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:11:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon a G0-G0 for CLINTON (2.00 / 1)

Here was the crowd last night for Bill Clinton:

As well as the line to get in:


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:34:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Are these from Corvallis or Eugene? (none / 0)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:31:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are these from Corvallis or Eugene? (2.00 / 1)

This was in Eugene near the student union.  I stood in the same line last Friday to see Barack.  But these people are lucky, they are at the front of the line.  The Obama line still had five blocks to go when you got to this point.  At least I got to see him, no complaints.  The first time he was in Eugene, they only allowed 10,000 into the arena, the other 5,000 got sent to overflow for a short speech.  If I wasn't such a hard working white guy, I would have spent the day waiting in line to see Obama but alas, I could not.
   
by Rick in Eugene on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:54:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon a G0-G0 for CLINTON (2.00 / 1)

My brother, who lives in North Carolina, went and saw Bill Clinton speak at a rally. He had a good time, had his picture taken with him, and he's one of his biggest political heroes.

My brother is also the biggest Obama supporter I know.

It's not everyday you get to see an ex-President.


by PSUdan on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:38:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon a G0-G0 for CLINTON (none / 0)

My sister, who lives in Kansas, went and saw Obama speak at a rally. She had a good time, even though he's NOT one of her biggest political heroes.

My sister is also the biggest Obama critic I know.

It's not everyday you get to see a Democrat from Illinois pander to Kansans.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:31:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

At least she can say she saw the next PRES! (none / 0)


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:38:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: At least she can say she saw the next PRES! (none / 0)

Yeppers. She saw Hillary in New York.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:44:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ha! That was a good comeback, no snark (none / 0)


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:34:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 4)

Well, of course he does well there.. it's 'cos of all the African Americans there...

oh wait...

What did you say?  No meaningful AA population?  It's full of hard working white people????

White people?  That can't be true.. just can't!!!

It is true?  But, but, but.... Hillary... white people.... Barack... black people.... does not compute!  Does not compute!!  Error!  Error!  Logical paradox!  Error!  Error!

<<<head explodes>>>>


by LordMike on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:11:56 PM EST

They're white but not hard working. (none / 0)

Buncha latte-sippin' aerospace engineers.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:05:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: They're white but not hard working. (none / 0)

Not alot of aerospace here. We got computers. And chainsaws. In fact, would you like me to show you where you can stick your latte with my chainsaw? ;-)


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:20:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmph, you denegrate my wikepedia research (none / 0)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umpqua_Rese arch_Company

See?  There's at least one!


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:26:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Eggheads and Nerds, I knew it! (none / 0)


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:16:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

Don't worry: Oregon doesn't count because... um...


by mikeinsf on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:08:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

Didn't these white people get the memo?  


by niksder on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:35:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

David Sirota's "Race Chasm" theory at work


by Quinton on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:07:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

1/2 right.  We are white.  But we don't work hard.  How could we?  We are too busy drinking the Obama "kool aid".


by Rick in Eugene on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:02:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 3)

But wait, they can't possibly vote for Obama... they're hard working white people!

Wonder what excuse Jerome Armstrong can make for why Oregon isn't important.

Oh, by the way, November will be Obama vs. McCain. No question about it (you know it's true when Carville is saying it). Let's start focusing on that election, shall we?


by bradical on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:12:01 PM EST

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

We should start a contest for Best Reason Why Oregon Doesn't Count.


by mikeinsf on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:09:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

Hmm... Well judging by the state's name, it does seem to have a clear "O" bias.


http://www.yawnmccain.com
by enozinho on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:11:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

I don't think I can top the obvious O bias, but as I understand it, the 1.6 percent of the population that is African American actually account for 70 percent of voters.

And this is true: the 1.6 percent of the African American population represents a 60 percent increase since 2000.

AND nearly 30 percent of Oregonians have a bachelor's degree.

How in the world could we expect her to win in a state with more than 88 percent white people?  


by niksder on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:51:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's close to HI (none / 0)

which gives him home field advantage. That's hardly a fair fight.


by bookish on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:20:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's close to HI (none / 0)

It's practically his backyard.

Plus I hear he has the support of the corrupt Portland machine.


by Jordache on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:39:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's close to HI (none / 0)

Did Jesse Jackson win Oregon?


by niksder on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:22:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

it's not the least educated, oldest state in the country that's why...


"Lobbyists Represent 'Real' Americans" - Hillary Clinton
by TarHeel on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:13:25 PM EST

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 1)

Photobucket

GOD I LOVE THIS COUNTRY!!!!


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:15:59 PM EST

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 1)

What's up with the glamour shot and the "GOD I LOVE THIS COUNTRY?"  


by JustJennifer on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:20:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 2)

nothing really, just to ease up the tension on MYDD.

and I really do love this country


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:26:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I love this country, too (1.50 / 2)

But there's a point when it becomes downright creepy


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:37:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

Is that a unicorn in the background?  WTF!


by froggyman on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:39:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

Yes, it is. I'm still trying to figure out what he's holding in his hand.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:02:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

I believe that is the Sacred Soap, with which Our Savior shall scrub clean the halls of Washington, DC; as the prophecies have foretold.


by kyle in philly on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:10:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

And here I guessed it was some sort of personalized transponder to communicate with aliens.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:21:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

I'm pretty sure it is the much-vaunted Belt Buckle of Post-partisanship.  Either that or a delicious Obama-brand chocolate treat.

Clearly, the "artist" has issues.


http://www.yawnmccain.com
by enozinho on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:10:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Issues (none / 0)

Ya think? LOL!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:22:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (2.00 / 1)

I believe the point it became creepy was when you posted that picture.

Which was your goal.  Mission accomplished.


by Jordache on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:42:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

The picture was creepy way before I posted it.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:04:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

WTF?  Isn't this a hillaryis44 pic?


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:45:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

How long would this site tolerate trolls putting GOP charactures of Hillary Clinton in every thread?  


by Jordache on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:51:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

don't know what you mean, but I was saying that a hillaryis44 member drew the picture, but I am not for sure


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:24:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hence, republican troll (none / 0)

Hillaryis44 is a breeding ground for Republican trolls to confuse the less sophisticated hillary supporters into voting for McCain, should Hillary not win


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:21:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hence, Obama worship (none / 0)

And here I thought Obama.com was a breeding ground to convince the great unwashed masses about the coming messiah.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:43:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

Yep:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE- New York, NY- July, 26 2006--- A presidential bust of Hillary Clinton is set to be unveiled at the Museum of Sex on August 9, 2006 at 10 am. Accentuating her sexual power and bolstered by the presidential seal, The Presidential Bust of Hillary Rodham Clinton: The First Woman President of the United States of America will be officially open for public viewing on August 9 for a limited six week run.

Artist Daniel Edwards describes this new sculpture as capturing Clinton "with her head held high, a youthful spirit and a face matured by wisdom. Presented in a low cut gown, her cleavage is on display prominently portraying sexual power which some people still consider too threatening."...


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:55:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

Oh

my

god


by Jordache on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:03:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAH

Wait

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Hold on, let me get my "bearings"

AHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:58:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have that picture's twin. (none / 0)

It's of Lionel Richie, on velvet.  I hang it next to the Elvises.


by McNasty on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:59:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have that picture's twin. (none / 0)

Did you buy it in a parking lot? LOL


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:14:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

Geeze.  Are you going to keep posting that on every thread?


by mikeinsf on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:10:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

Fact Check: I didn't post the glamour shot that started this thread.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:15:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

I'm an Obama supporter and even I think that picture is hilariously creepy.

It says more about the people who made it than Obama, though.

ROSE EXPLOSION!


by vann on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:14:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

I'm this close to reporting it, only because of who posts it.  They post it, then one of us posts a bust of Hillary, and then were are we?

I hate the fact that right now, Clinton supporters are free to throw all the stink bombs they want and we're not because a)we have to worry about alienating people and b)Jerome wants this site to be an arm of the Clinton campaign.


by Jordache on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:20:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Aw, come on (none / 0)

A sense of humor is helpful in such intensely partisan times, ya know? That drawing is freaking hilarious.


by kyle in philly on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:11:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Jordache's faux outrage (none / 0)

Are you going to report the original glamour shot that started this thread? Interesting that you don't seem to have a problem with that.

Oh, and the accusations you made about me and Jerome? Not true. As usual.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:17:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

I thought the picture was from a gay newspaper somewhere?


by nwodtuhs on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:53:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

It's from the Wilamette Weekly's endorsement op-ed.


by vann on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:01:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

Hah!  I laughed out loud at the pic KnowVox (even though I support Obama).

Thanks!


Want a progressive global warming novel, not a right wing rant? Go to www.edwardgtalbot.com for a free audio thriller.
by edparrot on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:19:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A new genre, Obvious Propaganda Kitsch (none / 0)


McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.
by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:51:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I love this country, too (none / 0)

I wish everybody had my tastes.


by niksder on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:54:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 1)

So do I and despite being a hard working white guy, the fact that we are about to have an african american as our nominee makes me sooo proud of our country.

Just so everyone knows, even though I don't like the person that is Hillary Clinton, I am also very proud that the spot was almost claimed by a female candidate.  She did beat 8 men in the contest and by a wide margin.  That says something about where our society is headed.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:45:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

Yeppers, despite being a "typical white person," the fact that we are about to have a WOMAN as our nominee makes me sooo proud of our country.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:19:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

Obama's a woman?   Now that would be a turn.


by mikeinsf on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:28:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

Could you hang out and say delusional shit even after Obama's inauguration please?  Jesters (especially unintentional ones) are funny.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:02:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

I wonder -- if you're so certain, would you be willing to place a bet?


by vann on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:01:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

I've made the same offer to KnowVox.  Alas, the spine doesn't match the bullshit.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:49:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 3)

Why can't Hillary close the deal in the last blue state with a chance to vote in this election?  15 years in the national spotlight, 100% name recognition, and she can't do better than 2nd place!


by FlashStash on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:19:22 PM EST

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

Hell, second is better than she did in Iowa and it's full of "hard working" people.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:53:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

"it looks like Oregon might be the only state left in play that will actually be key to putting a Democrat in the White House in November"

I'm afraid you are downplaying West Virginia in your assumption here. It so happens to be a very big key to putting a Democrat in the White House in November. No D has lost West Virginia and won the White House since 1916.


by sgdavis73 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:21:47 PM EST

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 3)

Also, it's worth noting that no Democrat with a flat-top and penchant for maple syrup over egg noodles has ever won the keys to the Oval Office (or any state lottery for that matter).

This should also be considered...


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:25:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well (2.00 / 1)

except for Al Gore of course.


The Democratic Party doesn't live or die with the Clintons
by nrafter530 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:33:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 1)

West Virginia is not a Democratic state anymore.

1) No more coal mine unions

  1. Bush won it easily...twice
  2. Democrats oppose mountaintop removal; Republicans support heavy coal mining

West Virginia today is not the West Virginia of 1988. Internally, the Democratic Party dominates. The state GOP is a joke. But in national elections, the state is very Republican now.


by elrod on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:36:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

I agree.  I don't like a strategy that downplays some states while saying only the ones their preferred candidate wins are important.  Whether or not WV is a key part of a Dem electoral map, I think the party should be taking the 50-state strategy seriously, and "state X is unimportant" comments don't help.


by Oly on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:07:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 1)

>>No D has lost West Virginia and won the White House since 1916.<<

And we all know how relevant the elections of 1932, 1948, 1960 and 1976 are to electoral politics in 2008, right?

1988:
"No sitting Vice President has been elected President since 1838!"
That sure doomed George H.W. Bush that year, huh?

1992:
"No Democratic candidate has ever lost IA and NH and still got the nomination!"
That sure doomed Bill Clinton that year, huh?

2004:
"No President elected while losing the popular vote has ever been elected to a second term!"
That sure doomed George W. Bush that year, huh?

This is 2008.  Acting like it's 1992 isn't very useful in winning.  And that goes a long way to explaining why a certain Senator is going to be the nominee and another certain Senator isn't.


by Collideascope on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:43:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

No African American has ever won the presidency.  Nor has anyone not in possession of a johnson.  Does that mean neither could?


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:57:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 4)

Sorry guys.  The base of the Democratic party is 65+, uneducated whites in states that voted for (or flirted with voting for) George W. Bush.  They are the past, present and future of the party.  Get used to it.

And everyone knows that Hillary Clinton is just the type of candidate to win over this demographic against the Republicans, which is why we've been running candidates in her mold for generations.


http://www.yawnmccain.com
by enozinho on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:26:23 PM EST

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 1)

Nope not any more, but I understand why they are having a difficulty removing themselves from that mantle.  The new generation is going to take over and rightfully so.

We need a young, fresh, energized voting bloc for the future. The party can only succeed with new voters.


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:29:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

Isn't it funny?  A movement comes along that overpowers the establishment candidate and, even in the face of it, that enozinho confidently bloviates about how it's always been and will never change.  

What's next enozinho?  Maybe a lecture about how the internet will never amount to much of a fundraising tool?


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:04:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

So we should brand Democratic nominees as Reagan Republicans to placate old white people?

Wow, just wow.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:39:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (2.00 / 1)

i think that was snark


Want a progressive global warming novel, not a right wing rant? Go to www.edwardgtalbot.com for a free audio thriller.
by edparrot on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:21:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

How can someone who is 65 be considered the future of the party. They'll be dead or senile in 25 years.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:53:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

For future reference, at least 50% of my comments are not serious all of the time.


http://www.yawnmccain.com
by enozinho on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:56:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

The people who who know best that someone like McPain in their mid 70s has lost a portion of their mental functioning, are the very people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s.


McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.
by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:44:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OCF: The REAL hippies (none / 0)

I hope Sen. Obama paid his respects to Prefontaine before entering sacred Hayward Field.  Now that guy was a real fighter.  Ducks are the reigning NCAA cross-country champions. Now that is a real sport.

I grew up in Eugene, graduated from UO, as did my partner, my mom, my dad, my uncle, 80+% of my friends, and on and on.  

My belief is that this spread is anti-Clinton as much as anything else, sadly.   This is the result, I think, of decades of neglect by DPO of rural communities, save Ashland and Bend.  I have nothing other than my intuition and experience to back up this claim.

I will say my people will not drink from McCain's poisoned well in November.  Major reason is that Oregon has essentially no ties to the MIC and there is a strong anti-war sentiment there.

And lots of lattes, microbrews, windsurfing, tree-hugging, and various other unmentionables.


"We live entangled of webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:31:15 PM EST

Re: OCF: The REAL hippies (none / 0)

I am a current student at the UO, and I think that there is a very strong pro-Obama sentiment.  My experience might be different because I'm a grad student and interact more with faculty than students, but among the faculty I know, they like both candidates, but are only excited about Obama.

Perhaps the students are more anti-Clinton, but I don't see much of that.


by Oly on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:04:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: OCF: The REAL hippies (none / 0)

Go Prefontaine!  Got a poster of him on my wall.


Want a progressive global warming novel, not a right wing rant? Go to www.edwardgtalbot.com for a free audio thriller.
by edparrot on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:22:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

And lots of lattes, microbrews, windsurfing, tree-hugging, and various other unmentionables.

Don't forget the hemp.


http://www.yawnmccain.com
by enozinho on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:34:06 PM EST

Don't forget the hemp. (2.00 / 1)

Don't forget the hemp.

This explains everything - Oregonians still haven't forgiven Bill for not inhaling.


McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.
by obsessed on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:38:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't forget the hemp. (none / 0)

Anyone smoking hemp is an idiot.  Females are where it's at, or so my fellow Oregonians tell me.


"We live entangled of webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:46:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

Don't forget the banana slugs.  If the banana slug ever becomes valuable Oregon will experience a modern version of the gold rush.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:12:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oregon IS Obama Country (none / 0)

I spent last weekend canvassing in the suburbs of Portland, and found overwhelming support for Obama, and very little support for Hillary.

If Obaama wins Oregon by less than 12 points I'll be very surprised.


McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.
by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:36:46 PM EST

Re: Oregon IS Obama Country (none / 0)

Same in Eugene.  I think most of the people who went to see Bill speak last night were just curious.  I would have gone if I didn't have something else going on.


by froggyman on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:49:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Too much rain - can't work hard in OR (2.00 / 1)

If those damned dirty hippies would do an honest days work they'd change their votes.


McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.
by obsessed on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:37:29 PM EST

This quote is a tad off (none / 0)

"it looks like Oregon might be the only state left in play that will actually be key to putting a Democrat in the White House in November"

without winning West Virginia, history shows that a Democrat doesn't end up the White House period.....So, as much as Obama supporters don't want to think so, West Virginia may actually matter more.


by Molee on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:42:17 PM EST

Re: This quote is a tad off (none / 0)

Michael Dukakis couldn't win Oregon.  We won West Virginia easily, but Oregon was out of his reach.

And with Oregon, so went the Presidency.


by Jordache on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:46:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This quote is a tad off (none / 0)

Huh?

Dukakis won Oregon in the 1988 election.


by ces on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:09:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This quote is a tad off (none / 0)

Michael Dukakis DID win Oregon.


The Democratic Party doesn't live or die with the Clintons
by nrafter530 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:09:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Probably means Mondale (none / 0)

Mondale only got Minnesota and D.C.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:12:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Probably means Mondale (none / 0)

No, I didn't mean Mondale.

I was researching Oregon a month back and there was something in its history that made me think it was less automatic than Washington was.  Could have sworn I saw an electoral map that had Dukakis winning Washington and losing Oregon, but nope.


by Jordache on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:17:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This quote is a tad off (none / 0)

What the hell?

This is the second time I've made a mistake like that in a week.  I'm working from memory off a series of electoral maps that had: Oregon being a red state in 1988 and Kentucky being red in 1996.

Ugh.  Sorry about that!


by Jordache on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:16:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Maybe a better comparson (none / 0)

Dukakis won West Virginia, but could not win Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Ohio wasn't even close.

Yet interestingly enough, Dukakis won where Hillary was the strongest in both states and lost where Obama was the strongest.


The Democratic Party doesn't live or die with the Clintons
by nrafter530 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:32:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

West Virginia does not have voodoo (2.00 / 1)

The electoral college in West Virginia is not full of necromancers who will use their black magic to ensure that the winner of their state becomes the next President of the United States.

You're basing the state's importance on a statistical anomaly.  The state has 5 electoral college votes: Pretty good, but not by any means definative.

Remember, until this very day, not a single person won the president who wasn't a white male.  Are you saying that someone who isn't a white male can never win?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:11:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's a last ditch effort to convince peole to vote (none / 0)

for Hillary: this statistical fact may be true, but it holds no water


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:36:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama will probably win Oregon by (none / 0)

double digits.


by puma on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:38:44 PM EST

Re: Oregon Looks Like Obama Country (none / 0)

No Democrat can win the White House with D.C.  

Anyone disagree?

How about we apply the West Virginia logic to the District of Columbia and see how that argument turns out?

There is so much absolute intellectually dishonest jibberish coming out of the mouths of people that should really know a lot better.

West Virginia?  Pulllllleeeeze!  Where in the heck did this line of cow pattooties come from? It was bad enough when it was being uttered on TV, but now to see people actually repeating it as if it makes one iota of sense is just a bit much.


by Rick in Eugene on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:50:18 PM EST


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.

Login
Username:

Password: