Why Obama is right to skip over WV.

The Hillary propaganda machine is going into overdrive lambasting Obama for skipping West Virginia. Does Obama think West Virginians don't matter? Did Obama forget there is still a primary contest going on?

Let's be honest with ourselves, people. Obama was never going to win WV. If Hillary dropped out two months ago she'd probably still win WV. He isn't going to win WV in the fall. It's never been part of his path to the White House. So, he has no reason to campaign there.

If Hillary thinks every vote is so important, why didn't she campaign for the following contests:

Idaho
Nebraska
Kansas
Hawaii
D.C.
Illinois
North Dakota
Wyoming

Obama has run more of a 50 state strategy than Hillary, to bash him for ignoring WV is totally hypocritical and requires a HUGE cognitive dissonance on the part of Hillary supporters. Clinton is playing up WV because it is her best state, it's pure politics, and it's quite naive to believe otherwise.



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Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (2.00 / 1)

States & elections won with 60% or more of the vote:
Barack Obama: 15 States + DC + VI:

  • Virgin Islands (89.9%)
  • Idaho (79%)
  • Hawaii (76%)
  • Alaska (75%)
  • District of Columbia (75%)
  • Kansas (74%)
  • Washington (68%)
  • Nebraska (68%)
  • Minnesota (67%)
  • Colorado (67%)
  • Georgia (67%)
  • Illinois (65%)
  • Virginia (64%)
  • Maryland (62%)
  • North Dakota (61%)
  • Wyoming (61%)
  • Mississippi (61%)

Hillary Clinton: 1 State
* Arkansas (70%)


by Hammy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:22:35 PM EST

Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (none / 0)

Not to jump on you at all, but it's a little disengenous to compare his 60%+ to her 70%+. However, I've seen that data, and it still backs Obama.


by Falsehood on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:39:37 PM EST
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Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (none / 0)

Whoops- I think I misread your comment. My error.


by Falsehood on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:40:06 PM EST
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If Obama is the surefire front runner, (2.00 / 2)

the elect of the people, why are there places he can't win even after his anointing as the Leader of the People?  Is there not one Obama supporter who finds something like this troubling?


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:27:57 PM EST

heh (2.00 / 2)

Because "surefire front runner" doesn't mean he will win every place, every time.

Or did you think Obama supporters claimed him to now be Ruler of the Universe, capable of never again losing a single vote to another candidate?


by Slim Tyranny on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:29:28 PM EST
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How have other black candidates done in WV? (none / 0)

If the median for black candidates in WV is X%, and Senator Obama gets less than that, I would concede he has a problem in that demographic.  No one seems to be able to point me to those numbers, strangely.


by McNasty on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:30:30 PM EST
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Crickets, again. (none / 0)

This question seems to stump Hillary's supporters every time I ask it.  Sigh.


by McNasty on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:56:25 PM EST
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Re: Crickets, again. (none / 0)

You are brilliant. Thank you for this one. Please send the question to the news networks.


by rhetoricus on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:16:24 PM EST
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McCain came in 3rd in WV caucuses. (2.00 / 1)


by notme54 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:37:17 PM EST
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Re: If Obama is the surefire front runner, (2.00 / 1)

After Clinton was the nominee Tsongas won Massachusetts. It's not uncommon and is no problem.


by Becky G on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:30:24 PM EST
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Re: If Obama is the surefire front runner, (none / 0)

I'm not worried in the slightest.  Senator Clinton has done very well in Appalachia, and I expect that will continue.

Why should I be bothered he still loses from time to time?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:01:43 PM EST
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I disagree (2.00 / 1)

I think Obama will campaign in West Virginia, and he will make a substantive effort.  His 50-state approach isn't just talk, it's a long-term project for the Democratic Party.

Right now, he isn't going crazy in West Virginia, but I think it's more of a calculus of (1) it's too late to make a major impact at this point and (2) other states (Michigan and Florida) need some extra attention as we near settlement of that debacle.


by Slim Tyranny on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:28:12 PM EST

Re: I disagree (none / 0)

it's a carrot that he dangles to the undecided supers. i.e. money for their state campaigns and he sharing his donor database from those states.

while he was sitting in his grandmother's dining table while she spewed racist slurs, hillary was in some back of beyond town in texas campaigning for democrats and registering voters. her 50 years of service to the party trumps his 50 state strategy for me. besides, was it not howard dean who came up with that idea?


by darwinism on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:49:21 PM EST
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um what? (none / 0)

Not sure about the "dining table" stuff, but I never said Obama "came up" with the 50-state campaign idea, I said Obama was using that approach.

I get that you prefer Clinton, it just think it's clear that your preference is not going to win out.  Obama will be the nominee, and he will campaign everywhere.


by Slim Tyranny on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:55:00 PM EST
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Re: um what? (none / 0)

If he is the nominee, then will he campaign in the general election and declare that he's gonna lose in  x and x states big time before a vote has been cast?

their campaign is diminishing both states and their lemmings online and in the punditry are painting the voters there as redneck hicks. w va is also a state that the last several democrats have won and who went on to win the presidency....yes, clinton has criticized those other smaller states. but mainly it's the process (caucus) and the fact that it's definitely a red state (utah et al).


by darwinism on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:16:00 PM EST
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This guy must be a spoof (2.00 / 1)

50 years of service?  I didn't realize Barry Goldwater was a Democrat.


by JJE on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:23:07 PM EST
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Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (none / 0)

So its gone from 50 state strategy to a 40something state strategy.

Yay. I cant wait for the fall.


by PegLeg on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:29:24 PM EST

Oh come on. (2.00 / 1)

This is as opposed to the 16 state strategy that Clinton seems to be running on?

Obama will campaign everywhere; perhaps not as hard as he might in some places.  Choose your battles, that's the smart tactic.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:43:00 PM EST
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Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (none / 0)

Obama visited WV multiple times.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:21:17 PM EST
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Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (2.00 / 1)

Clinton was in Wyoming.
Check your sources.
by johnnygunn on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:30:24 PM EST

Re: Yeah! That's right! (none / 0)

hahaha


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:59:36 PM EST
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Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (2.00 / 1)

This reminds me of Giuliani pretending to "skip" states where he had no chance whatsoever to win or even get a second place.


by kingsbridge77 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:36:57 PM EST

Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (none / 0)

Obama visited WV multiple times.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:21:01 PM EST
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of course you're correct (none / 0)

But I have found that at this point in the race, it's almost counter productive to show their hypocrisy. It only serves to further enrage Clinton supporters. Let them have their time in the limelight - they are going to win huge in WV and KY.  


by highgrade on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:37:12 PM EST

He didn't "skip over" (2.00 / 1)

He was there yesterday, and gave a speech to veterans.

He didn't expend Pennsylvania-level resources on winning a state that he had zero chance of winning and no need to win due to having the nomination essentially locked.

Clinton has only now learned the value of running up the margins in friendly territory, and, while I'm proud of her for finally catching on to how the Democratic primaries work, I am sad to report that it was months too late.

One pundit mentioned that they "have TVs and the internet in West Virginia now," and, dismissive attitude towards rural voters aside, this is very true: if they haven't gotten an idea of where Barack Obama stands by now and made their informed decision, then a week's worth of campaigning is not going to make a significant difference.

All this rhetoric about West Virgina choosing the president is just that: rhetoric.  WV does not have black magic, and any corrolation between their electoral votes and the winning candidate is just statistical anomaly.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:38:18 PM EST

But he didn't skip over WV. (2.00 / 1)

As noted, he made an appearance yesterday. But even more important, as noted by Hillary Clinton today:

In the face of grim poll numbers, the Obama campaign has attempted to dismiss today's outcome despite the fact that Sen. Obama has outspent us on advertising, has more staff in the state, and more than double the number of offices. He has also benefited from the support of the most high-profile endorsers in West Virginia -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller and Congressman Nick Rahall. By every measure, the Obama campaign has waged an aggressive campaign in the Mountain State.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/13/ 13295/0458


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:52:43 PM EST

Re: But he didn't skip over WV. (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for this.


by rhetoricus on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:18:18 PM EST
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Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (2.00 / 1)

Sorry but I have to laugh at why Hillary supporters are pissed off at Obama because he didn't tour the state according to their satisfaction.

Amazing!  You guys want to dictate when and where he campaigns.


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:55:09 PM EST

Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (none / 0)

Please explain why it is good for Sen. Obama to skip WV.  Because you did not do so in the diary.  You point out Sen. Clinton essentially did not campaign in several states.  You point out Obama was unlikely to win in WV, given demographics.

But what is the argument for ignoring WV?

It's not like there are a lot of others states to attend to in this period.  It is not like he lacks the money.  It's not like WV is unwilling to vote for Democrats.  It's not like he is already in with the demographics that predominate in WV; in fact he has a lot of work to do.  It's not like a loss there after campaigning would really have damaged his chances for the nomination.

So why not?  Surely he does not think the people in WV are irrelevant.  Does he?

I want our nominee to fight for every single vote in every single state.  I thought he was about running hard in every state.


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:16:31 PM EST

Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (none / 0)

Which is why he made multiple visits to West Virginia.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:19:41 PM EST
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Check with your campaign. (none / 0)

Because Senator Clinton is out there today emphasizing that Obama has run a full-on campaign in West Virginia.  Yes, he's visited as well.

You can't have it both ways, sorry.  Either he's campaigning there or he isn't.  Pick one, then continue with the concern trollery.


by McNasty on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:54:48 PM EST
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Because WVa is full of backwards hicks, (none / 0)

many of which think Obama's muslim or just won't vote for a black candidate.  Screw 'em.  If they want to vote against their economic interest and pick McCain, then they deserve the poverty they get and National Democrats shouldn't do shit for them.


by bigdcdem on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:39:33 PM EST
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simmah dahn nah! (none / 0)

n/t


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:43:45 PM EST
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no presidential candidate (none / 0)

is going to run in every state.  Obama is not exception if he should get the nomination.  
The 50 state strategy is a great idea, but also a long term plan.  The fact that the primaries went as they did has built party structure in states where it didn't really exist.  However you will not see Hillary nor Obama in 50 states in the fall.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:46:51 PM EST
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Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (2.00 / 1)

This diary would make more sense if he hadn't, you know, campaigned in West Virginia.

But, of course, he did.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:18:02 PM EST

Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (2.00 / 1)

because Illinois and DC will guaranteed vote for us in November, and the rest will never go Dem. THATS why Hillary supporters mention a state like West Virginia, as in recent history, it HAS gone Democrat, unlike the other states you mention.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:38:07 PM EST

CO might be in play (2.00 / 0)

maybe another state on that list.  The fact is that none of the rest will be and the states Clinton is winning will be, but many of them NOT for Obama.  
The EC counter tells the story now. Right?
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:40:55 PM EST
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If "Ifs and Buts" Were Candy and Nuts... (none / 0)

HRC would have a Merry Christmas. But she won't - even if she spends it in WV. Face it - she began this campaign with a strategy that should have worked, could have worked - but it didn't. Huge miscalucations by sycophantic and inept staff got her off on the wrong foot in Iowa and she never really recovered. It is too late now - even if she wins 90/10 in WV. It's over.

Her campaign will be studied for years in poly-sci schools all over the country. It will be a textbook case of misreading the electorate and missing an "inevitable" nomination. She ran headlong into a candidate with a plan better suited for the mood of the country and a plan designed specifically to beat her. It worked.

I take no joy in this - I was a huge fan of WJC and thought HRC had a really good shot at the White House. I thought she made her path rougher with her Iraq vote - but I thought she'd overcome that. She didn't. Finis.


Often wrong; seldom in doubt.
by Goober Pea on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:38:50 PM EST

He did not skip West Virginia (none / 0)

He didn't saturate it like PA, NC or IN. And he's giving higher priority to OR than WV. But he didn't skip it. He visited WV before he even went to PA, holding town halls in Charleston and Beckley. Then he visited yesterday. Meanwhile, he's run ads in the state.

The problem for Obama is that West Virginia voters demand much more from politicians, especially when you are such an untraditional one like Obama.


by elrod on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:41:09 PM EST

Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (none / 0)

all 4 below are super tuesday states and hill went to the big states. i think both candidates picked and chose states to concentrate on.

Idaho
North Dakota
Kansas

Illinois-also, his home state, would have been seen as rude in any case. did obama campaign in ny (besides fundraising) outside of nyc?

Nebraska- short in fund, they devoted their time to louisiana and washington. despite lousiana having a high AA population, the clintons still went there. as opposed to obama who has disowned the whites in appalachia and in this border state with no high AA population in favor of friendlier terrain in oregon.

Hawaii- did BO fly out to hawaii? it's like a day's whole trip just to fly out there.

D.C.- she works in the city

Wyoming- she went there. as
did bill and chelsea.

speaking of super tuesday, hillary won new york which has 281 delegates. idaho, north dakota, illinois and kansas combined have 270.

the other states on your list combined has 115 total delegates. mass. which hillary also won on super tuesday has 121.

obama has every right to skip WV (like skipping re-votes in michigan and florida) because, well, he's afraid of these electorate. so i don't, for one minute, buy the fact that he has a broader base than hillary or is the overwhelming choice as the nominee.


by darwinism on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:44:42 PM EST

Re: Why Obama is right to skip over WV. (none / 0)

He is not the overwhelming choice to be the nominee...but he is the nominee.  It was a close and well run race by both campaigns but he won.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:46:49 PM EST
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his campaign didn't skip WV (none / 0)

he has more offices and spent more money.  He just couldn't be bothered to go there himself.  


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:30:27 PM EST


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