Since Clinton Couldn't Close the Deal in NC, that's when.

At least until after the convention. Then the gloves come off.

Wake up! Hillary lost this thing a long time ago...

I totally agree. How can Tim Russert be called a journalist?  He's a paid shill for Obama.

Since he got an insurmountable lead.

The media is not supposed to be beholden to a politicians agenda.

Say tommorow ALL the SD's go to Obama, and every Democrat screams for her to concede.

But,  she does not,  she keeps her campaign active.

By your logic our Media has no right to call Obama the nominee until after the convention.

Am I missing something, ?

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

They crowned McCain too, before Huckabee was mathematically eliminated. They were right, and they are right now. Clinton is playing for 2nd

LOL, Bill Clinton called himself the presumptive nominee in APRIL of 1992. Are you mad about that? A little outraged, maybe? Kinda indignant?

Since the odds of him winning the nomination became so high that it's exceedingly difficult to imagine a path for Clinton to get it.

Try it yourself.  Explain how Clinton gets the nomination.  When you throw out the 3rd or 4th improbable action ("and then Michigan is seated with Obama getting 0 delegates, and then 30 Obama pledged delegates decide to switch over, and then all of the 50 remaining superdelegates endorse Clinton..."), you'll see how low the odds are.  When it's that much of a long shot for anyone other than Obama to get the nomination, he's the presumptive nominee.

Since when presumptive has meant "Providing a reasonable basis for belief or acceptance" and since when Senator Obama was X-rayed and no alien parasite from the Planet Zog was found.

Respectfully, there comes a point where an impartial observer can clearly see that baring extraordinary circumstances a contest is over before the absolute end of the contest. A football game can effectively be over with a minute on the clock if the winning team has run up the score with multiple touchdowns and has the momentum, a baseball game can be over in the top of the ninth with a double digit score gap and a pitcher running hot, and a primary can be over with 46 of the 50 states having voted, a split decision almost certain in the few remaining contests, and the supers moving to Obama.

There are any number of things wrong with modern media, but a nominal expert summarizing the results of overall trends once they've passed the point where change is vanishingly unlikely isn't especially high on the list of problems.

this one!

Ask Rahm.

I think you are confused.

Presumptive nominee means "presumed to be the nominee."

"Nominee" is what doesn't happen until the convention.

People who are holding on to something other than hope that Hillary will win (or, more often, that Obama will do something to lose) may have another indicator for "presumptive."

But there is no law being broken by saying "presumptive" if, as is the case with Obama, there's no reasonable chance in the current state of the race, for him NOT to be the nominee.

He is likely to be the nominee.  Ergo, he is the "presumptive nominee."  It's not a title but a quality.

The contest for pledged delegates is effectively over.  He'll win it a week from today.

He also needs 146 delegates for the nomination (1879 right now).  Under a worst case scenario, he'll pick up 90 more pledged delegates by June 3.  Meaning he needs 56 superdelegates out of the remaining 254 for the nomination.  

Ergo, presumptive nominee.

Since she has no chance at catching his regular delegate count. That is what makes you the "presumptive nominee."

Now all that she can hope for is that he is found in a closet with Wright, Ayers, and a little boy or dead hooker.

There's zero evidence to support the core empirical claim here -- that the media have not called someone the presumptive nominee until the candidate has absolutely clinched it.  And, frankly, I think you're wrong.  I recall people calling McCain the presumptive nominee for awhile before he clinched, probably around when Romney dropped out.

Since you have, as the lawyers say, claimed facts not in evidence, your case collapses.

Since Pope Timmeh issued his papal bullshit last Tuesday night.

Otherwise, nothing at all changed.  It hasn't been about the majority of pledged delegates ever.  And there is still--or at least there was still, until the air started leaking out of the hole Pope Timmeh punched in the balloon--a significant chance that Obama will continue to bleed between now and August and that the 700 SDs, none of whom have voted and all of whom can vote at the last moment for whomever they wish, will move to the strongest candidate in significant enough numbers to give her the nomination.

But Pope Timmeh sez it is so, and it must be so.  Selah.

.... for EVER!

They have been calling for Hillary to drop out for - how many months now?  They've been saying she can't win - for how many months now?  

Maybe they knew something we all didn't know from the start - that they were going to be "all hail Obama" and "to hell with Hillary" from the start - therefore Obama has been the Presumptive Nominee from the beginning, at least on MSNBC.  You know the channel, the one with a top pundit who got a tingle up his leg when he heard/saw Obama speak.  The other ones are not quite so blatant in their (1) endorsement of Obama and (2) detestation of Hillary Clinton.

And you know what people?  HILLARY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE NOT LIKING HER!  Unless and until she can enter people's minds and hearts, it is the people themselves who are responsible for their thoughts and feelings toward her and anyone else.  And until she can stick her hand up their butts and move their mouths, she is not responsible for what others say.

I wish to hell and back that people would take responsibility for their own actions, behaviors, thoughts, feelings, and not continually blame others!  This is a universal issue - not connected to the US or any political party.  This is also another reason why you see nutcase preachers "explaining" why some dreadful tragedy occured.  People want to be able to understand and place blame ..... if they can find the victims are different in any way, others can go "Whew! I'm safe then!" in their attempt to feel merrily safe in a perilous world.  Two cent rant!

And BTW, it's damned hard to not do the same to this day.

That's when he become the presumptive nominee in my estimation.

I don't know about anyone else...but....I 'presumed' he was going to be our nominee when he won Virginia. That's when I first believed that he, indeed, would be our next President. I am, of course, only speaking for myself.

The press has always picked the nominee before the race is decided.  Kerry was chosen as the nominee after Iowa.  If you recall recent history, many primary candidates never drop out, they just get swept aside as it becomes impossible for them to win the nomination.

It has certainly become the conventional wisdom that Obama is our nominee.  Which means that you're simply one of the outliers; and they have them every election cycle.  It's never easy to come to terms with a preferred candidates loss. This would be especially true during a primary season where the msm has known for months that it was a statistical impossibility for Clinton to win, but only recently allowed it to enter the CW.

Ron Paul is still technically in the GOP race too.

It's not that she's still running which has us in a "tizzy".  As you said the HAS sealed the deal.  It's that, in spite of this, she chooses to run as a McCain surrogate.