how to destroy a candidate....

one day at a time...

"so now the press tells candidates when to quit"

"rhymes with 'rich'"

"nagging voice"

"the double standard"

"crying fits"

"why does HRC dress so bad?"

"i hate her. i hate her. all that she stands for."

"you know how when your dog dies, your wife wants to get a puppy right away?"

"the reason she's a U.S. senator, a candidate for president, or a front-runner is that her husband messed around."

"a glaring double standard"

"hillary sexism watch"

"gender is hillary clinton's achilles heel"

"when democrats go post-al"

"sexism in the campaign"

weep for our daughters.



Display:


sad. (2.00 / 11)

the media has failed.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:41:02 AM EST

No (1.25 / 8)

Hillary's campaign has failed.
She figured that she was entitled to the Presidency, and allowed Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson, Harold Ickes, and Terry Mcauliffe drive her campaign into the ditch.
Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:57:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No (none / 0)

entitled because she has more democratic party member's votes than anyone else....

Remember that.

If you steal our nominee from the majority of the democratic party member voters you better have a boat load of GOP votes lined up to replace us with.


by DTaylor on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:55:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I really hope you mean that because (1.33 / 3)

I hope we do replace you.  Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.


by bigdcdem on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:15:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

WTF Is WRONG With You? (2.00 / 2)

Seriously man - get a frickin clue.  How anyone can look at these comments - anyone who calls himself a DEMOCRAT - attacking a good and decent DEMOCRAT and NOT be outraged is just sickening.

The fact that you not only ignore this hate-speech but GO ON THE ATTACK against anyone who has the AUDACITY to point out the MSMs hate-speech speaks volumes about the kind of followers your candidate not only attracts and welcomes - but encourages.

I'm sure Obama would be oh so proud of you right now.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:57:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

it really is sad (2.00 / 8)

Bill Maher imho really has a problem with women and also gays.  I find this distasteful.  Fostering an environment where women can be openly jeered, threatened, verbally assaulted, laughed at, called names---its set us back many years.

Watch the bloggers here cheer this, diminish women, get "cute" about their hatred, spam with photographs.  Just watch.


by 4justice on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:58:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: it really is sad (1.75 / 4)

I think he is gay just too much of a coward to come out.  He makes a big deal about his overcompensating.  He is also incapable of talking about women, religion, marriage, or Israel.  Still the show is interesting when it has good guests.  He is for Obama now but he likes the Clintons.  Not sure where you think he fosters that kind of environment though, or that those things are specific to women.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:11:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

other shows (2.00 / 1)

I'm a regular, and sometimes he's a little too permissive,  Of course BM is not responsible for the environment which I do think has been fostered by the media and others of mistreatment of women,


by 4justice on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:17:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: other shows (none / 0)

Still not sure where you are seeing it.  Are you talking about the news media? Or music and the internet?

My personal oppinion it is religion and the religious taint our society has.  Attaching shame to sex and sexuality causes so many problems, and allows for so much victimization, while at the same time repressing willingness to come forward.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:28:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: it really is sad (none / 0)

Troll-rated for the "gay but too much of a coward" comment.  You don't know him from Adam, and I disagree with baseless allegations on someone's sexual orientation.  No place for that here.

FWIW, I also think that he is disrespectful to women, and I'm an Obama supporter.


UNITY!
by The Great Gatsby on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:32:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: it really is sad (2.00 / 2)

I never really consider opinions allegations, and my "I think" was indicating it was my opinion.  Because I cannot imagine that someone that derogatory can exist and call himself a liberal.  Also the only insult was that he is a coward.  Arn't we past thinking sexual orientation is something negative?  If I said I think he is purple or a Republican, would you consider that enough to troll rate me?

And you don't have to explain why troll rating anymore, better than 75% of the diaries that make the Recommended list are nothing more than trolls.  It's almost a badge of honor these days.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:07:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Didn't you already diary this? (1.20 / 10)

Do you want to go through the laundry list of racist insults about Obama?  Or does it only matter when it comes from the media and not the opposing campaign?


by The Distillery on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:45:19 AM EST

i diaried something similar... (2.00 / 11)

but why is it that BO supporters want to make everything about him.  this is not.  read the last sentence of the diary - it says it all.  thanks.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:48:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: i diaried something similar... (2.00 / 1)

The reason I bring it back to racism is that your diary is implying that HRC is not the candidate because of sexism.  If the candidate were a white male and we had not seen all the racist shit hurled at Obama, I might agree with you.  Hell, I would probably still be an HRC supporter.  However, we've seen both in this campaign.  I'm not saying either is worse.  I'm saying it's a wash, and that is not the reason her campaign fell apart.


by The Distillery on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:51:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't lump us all together (2.00 / 4)

there are plenty of good eggs among us Obama supporters.  There are also a few people who are infrected with "primary insanity"


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:54:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

im sorry... (2.00 / 3)

you are right - i stand correct it.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:57:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: im sorry... (2.00 / 4)

Hey canadian gal, how does the canadian media treat Hillary?  Is it the same as here?


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:01:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: im sorry... (2.00 / 3)

no not really.  but some of the narrative 'themes' tend to get picked up through the various wires like ap, reuters, etc.  i think great britain is just as bad though.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:03:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: im sorry... (2.00 / 4)

my parents live in India and the media love the Clintons, but there is an increased interest about Obama because of his background


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:05:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: im sorry... (2.00 / 1)

the WORLD is watching this election.  

is just really v. sad about the media though.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:17:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It is okay I was guessing you were (2.00 / 3)

referring the over the line supporters, but I still wanted to make the distinction to be sure.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:31:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 1)

My daughter is going to be just fine, thank you.
She supported Senator Obama from the outset.
And she's very happy that Obama will be the nominee.
Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:01:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 3)

that's nice.  as her parent it would be advisable to try and dissuade her from presidential aspirations though.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:13:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 2)

Why would I do that?
America will elect a woman President when the right candidate comes along.
Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:26:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 2)

lol - for real? i guess you didnt bother looking at those links i provided or you're one of those that excuses bad behaviour as long as it benefits your interests types...


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:28:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 2)

don't you tell me what behavior I excuse.

Lousy, rotten things have been said about both candidates. And I've denounced on this blog many of rotten things said about Hillary by the media and other bloggers.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:37:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 4)

your comment was "America will elect a woman President when the right candidate comes along."

this suggests that the disgusting treatment i showed is okay because its HRC who you clearly oppose.

whatever.

excuse or dont.  its up to you.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:45:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 1)

Actually, it doesn't. Despite the vile media treatment, if Clinton hadn't run a shoddy campaign, she would be the next president of the US. This doesn't excuse the sexist and misogynist crap from the media (nor does it excuse the crap from Obama ("claws come out", "periodically", or "strident" in the post NC/IN primary press release), but it does mean that the US will eventually elect a woman president, we would have this year, if not for Obama's excellent campaign and Clinton's sloppy campaign.

It is conceivable that media sexism cost Clinton the margin of victory (although media racism has been nearly as bad, if different, racism and sexism operate in different manners in the US), but they didn't do Clinton as much harm as Mark Penn's incompetence. If she'd recognized his big state strategy for the disaster it turned out to be, she'd be the next president.


by letterc on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:13:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 1)

again - no where in this post do i discuss the primary, HRC or BO's campaign strategy, math, superdelegtes etc.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:19:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Maybe you should for intellectual honesty (2.00 / 2)

Seriously,

Where do you get off claiming that this country isn't ready or that Hillary has to be the chosen one.

Tell me which women you have voted into public office and we can compare notes.

I've voted for Ann Richards, Anne Eshoo, Boxer and Feinstein. Ann Richards was as feisty a governor as you could ever hope for (especially with her Bush "born with a silver spoon in his mouth" comment).

Don't pretend that just because your candidate ran a lousy campaign and ruined her own chances that she ruined it for all the really smart women in my generation.

Hillary wasn't a Rhodes Scholar.  One of my female classmates in undergrad was (and she was damn impressive) and I know two more female Rhodes Scholars.  Trust me, the US isn't hurting for accomplished women 40 and under.


by Regenman on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:49:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Maybe you should for intellectual honesty (none / 0)

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.
Elie Wiesel
"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:10:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Name the women you have voted for (none / 0)

Answer the question about why our daughters should weep when there are plenty of strong female candidates out there.


by Regenman on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:43:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name the women you have voted for (none / 0)

because our society has made sexism permissible.  this is not about having strong candidates, rather how this one was treated by the media.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 04:53:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (none / 0)

Sorry if I was unclear, I'm disagreeing with you disagreeing with a commenter about whether the vile media bias that you have been documenting means that we won't have a female president in the near future (next two decades). I think that Clinton, despite the vile media treatment, has demonstrated that it is possible for a woman to run a presidential campaign that will be treated seriously, and that misogyny and sexism are not so crippling that it would be impossible for a strong female candidate to win. I don't mean that Clinton isn't a strong candidate, obviously she is, and she came very close to winning.

I have no disagreement with your original post.


by letterc on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:51:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 1)

You're kidding, right? Hillary Clinton has paved a path that no other woman before has done, and in the process made it easier for all those that follow - and you're ready to throw it all away to make some petulant little point because she came up a little short?

I believe that it's been a hard road for her. It's a hard road for anyone who wants to be president. But when I read what you wrote I think that I hold your candidate in higher regard than you do. And that's too bad.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:36:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 1)

you're right - HRC has paved the way.  unfortunately its not one that many women will rush towards seeing as how she has been treating by a largely sexist press corps.

and i think its highly unlikely that you hold HRC in a higher regard than i do.  but if so - great!


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:48:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 2)

I don't discount her historic achievements simply because she failed to win. Or appears to have failed to win, if you prefer.

I don't actually believe that you do, either. But even in snark to suggest that the road to the white house won't be considerably easier for the next woman thanks to her efforts is dismissive.

You can be disappointed in what she didn't achieve without discarding all she did.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:18:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (none / 0)

nor do i discount her achievements and yes, the next woman who runs will (possibly?) have learned alot from this election cycle.  but for certain, many would take a long hard pause before moving forward.  a few months ago i heard a radio show panel discussing this - ill try and dig it up for you.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:22:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (2.00 / 2)

To make the leap that because Hillary is not going to be President this time around, NO woman can be President is fairly disgusting. Hillary has a lot of positives, but she also has a lot of negatives, and ran a not great campaign. There is plenty of room for another woman to run without Hillary's deficiencies and take the White House. Don't sell the rest of the female gender short because Hillary didn't quite make it this time around.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:22:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (none / 0)

Indifference, to me, is the epitome of evil.
Elie Wiesel
"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:08:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Weep For Our Daughters (none / 0)

Sorry. You'll have to spell out what you mean by indifference.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:53:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

why are you so hostile to women? (2.00 / 1)

this thread is not about Obama, get over it.  It is about sexism in the media.  Can you even admit it exists?
You are trolling as usual.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:38:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's my favorite Obama troll! (2.00 / 3)

Isn't that speh-shul!


by bobswern on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:51:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's my favorite Obama troll! (1.50 / 2)

That's very sweet.  You're my favorite Clintonista.


by The Distillery on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:54:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's my favorite Obama troll! (none / 0)

I know, he's so cute! I just want to pinch his cheeks!


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:57:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I am TR'ing this (2.00 / 1)

for two reasons:
  1. Clintonista, unless someone wants that kind of label (Obamabot is another) it should not be use
  2. you TR'ed kevins comment downstream where all he did was agree with the diarist, it was uncalled for and I'll lift the TR when you lift the TR.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:12:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am TR'ing this (2.00 / 1)

I'm not lifting the TR.  He HR'ed my comment that is neither offensive, content-less, script-generated, nor meant to abuse the reader.  As for bobswern, he called me a troll.  When someone uses that term when I have regularly made conciliatory comments about HRC and her supporters, I'll call him whatever I like.  You can use your TR however you like.  I'll be sure to return the favor when you're being bashed.


by The Distillery on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:29:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I am going to give you mojo for that comment (none / 0)

you mentioned, I didn't see that.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:33:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Retaliatory HR/TR'ing is forbidden. (2.00 / 1)

Just thought I'd mention it. Carry on.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:25:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I am disappointed you didn't add me to you wall (2.00 / 1)

o Obama supporters in the diary you did, it made me very sad, there were a lot of choice comments to choose from yet you ignored me...


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:13:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry, but you get nuthin' but mojo... (2.00 / 1)

...from me.

However, if you look at that diary which you're referencing here, I called out not a soul!

All I did was copy some comments. Nothing more.


by bobswern on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:27:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes (2.00 / 2)

but I freely admit that over on Dkos, I called Jerome biased, and maybe even referrence a would that rhymes with mack that starts with an H to refer to him (as he was cherry picking).  Also I am pretty sure that I called myDD my Daily Dixiecrat on the day the George Wallace=Obama diary went up and stayed up for a long time.  Possibly the same on the day of the slave card diary.

I am just saying that I have plenty of faults I just try not to piss off people by doing my venting in appropriate areas (except for my analysis of the racist vote (also on the day of the George Wallace diary) which I really should delete but it is really far buried in my diaries)


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:38:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Anything I've said here about Markos... (none / 0)

...I've said at least as much--if not more--directly to him in comments to his own diaries.

The problem is, when it gets to the point in a blog where you cannot say things like that--legitimate criticism--then your copy just gets t.r.'ed and buried! And, you're actually prevented from being forthright in your criticism. Then what do you do?

I've had my t.u. priv's removed so many times over there, I've lost count! LOL! A few times, I actually had them removed and returned more than once in the same 24 hours! LOL! But, that's been mostly in the past four or five months.

If you're lucky--and admittedly I have been--legitimate criticism, properly framed, will withstand at least some level of troll-ish effort. But, when stuff that isn't even really critical or significantly negative starts getting hidden, then what's the point.

All that being said, there's a certain amount of transparency between the two blogs--Kos and MyDD. And, I do hold folks accountable here for what they say there, and vice versa. Sorry, but I believe I have a legitimate right to do that--certainly when there's a level of gross hypocrisy and deceit tied into the activities of someone acting one way on one of these two blogs, then acting totally innocent about some overly aggressive and outlandish behavior they've perpetrated on an ongoing basis on the other blog.

And, there's been a fair amount of that going on here this cycle, by folks coming over from DKos and truly obfuscating their true sentiments here, only to bare their real feelings once they leave this place. So, it may be said that I have little tolerance for disingenuous, dishonest posturing, certainly by individuals that travel back and forth between these two blogs now.

Don't h.r. me (or many others) and call me (or many others) out and abuse me for legitimately expressing an opinion in one place, above and beyond any semblance of reasonable blogging behavior, and then act like you're not behaving that way when you attempt to communicate  with me or others elsewhere.  

That's all I'm saying.

Put another way, if you're going to continuously act like a lead torchbearer on DKos or MyDD, and then go over to the other site on a regular basis and deny your behavior from whence you came, don't expect me to sit back and swallow your b.s. I won't.

And, stud guy, I'm not talking about people  if they're sincere and legitimately engaging in reasonable discourse, such as yourself.

In fact, I think--for what I'm assuming is a young guy--you're extremely erudite and reasonable, too!

Hey, we all have our moments. But, there's a difference between that and being downright sociopathic about it!

Keep on blogging man!


by bobswern on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:37:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah (none / 0)

I've defended a Clinton fundraising diary (because I liked the concept it was the myPA event) in the comments section and I played Wolfson/Axelrod (constant rebuttals and disarming attacks).

I haven't lost the ability to rate here, but I did lose the ability to post for a short time (sometimes arguing with a mod can do that).

The reason I asked to be included is that you had Rage's comments out of context, I've been far more incendiary with my comments than he has been yet he was included (heck my racist vote diary [tracking who won the 'racist' vote] was far more bomb throwing.

Yes I am a kind of young guy (23 soon 24) and my off kilterness generally tends to snark rather than projection/hatred (except in the case of a true troll like rodhamclintonfeh/ilikebillnot/WWGWD).

Sorry for the snark directed at you (the wall O' Obama supporters bit) about that diary, I get riled up at times and it takes some rational discourse to settle me down.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:21:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Didn't you already diary this? (2.00 / 6)

Enough, she wasn't blaming Obama for this so there's no reason to pick a fight.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:53:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This commenter is one of... (2.00 / 3)

...the very worst Hillary hate mongers on all of DKos...and he comes over here acting like a reconciliator? Sorry, the shit's not flushing tonight. You can even smell it in the air.

You want to defend him. Be my guest.


by bobswern on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:56:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This commenter is one of... (2.00 / 4)

Defend him? I was telling him to stop.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:59:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This commenter is one of... (2.00 / 2)

and i thank you... ;)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:31:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This commenter is one of... (1.50 / 2)

With supporters like you, Clinton doesn't need the media working against her. You're more than helping display her in an entirely negative light.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:59:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This commenter is one of... (none / 0)

You're confusing genders.


by The Distillery on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:01:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Dkos is a place to vent (none / 0)

for some of us Obama supporters, just like myDD is a place for Clinton supporters to vent a little.  The fact that someone is here means they are willing to put up with some of the more dubious diaries that get put up here (like PaganPower's piece of trash or the George Wallace Diary, or Slave Card diary these are just a few examples).  If a person is being disingenuous they are putting a lot of aggravation and most likely raising there blood pressure, the George Wallace Diary put me on tilt for about 1.5 days (including in school).


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:43:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Racists insults by the MSM? (1.77 / 9)

Where?

Taking every word spoken by anyone remotely "related to" HRC and spinning it as racist...your own doing so you can blame Senator Clinton?

Disgraceful.


by CoyoteCreek on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:54:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Didn't you already diary this? (2.00 / 4)

who said anything about him?  good lord.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:01:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Notice the lack of laughter. (1.00 / 6)

Is Bill Maher a sexist?  Yes.  Is that why HRC's campaign is on the rocks?  No.  The lead in delegates that Obama currently has was amassed in February.  This campaign was over in February.


by The Distillery on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:48:39 AM EST

Re: Notice the lack of laughter. (2.00 / 7)

do you see any mention of delegates or BO in this diary?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:50:06 AM EST
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Re: Notice the lack of laughter. (2.00 / 2)

I mentioned delegates because that's how a campaign is won in the primaries.  That is when she lost.  It wasn't because of a stupid Bill Maher skit or a bumper sticker.


by The Distillery on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:53:21 AM EST
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have you missed the diaries on the math? (2.00 / 6)

The supers?  If this campaign were over, first, why are you here insisting its over, and why are people still voting?  Why aren't the supers all on board?  Or are you here just to drag the conversation backwards a couple of weeks?


by 4justice on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:04:42 AM EST
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Indeed (2.00 / 2)

I took your comment last night to heart, the only time I'll step into the primary war is to smack down idiocy/fear/republicans (like in NewHampster's diary about the "leader" of the NH republican party) or to comment in diaries like this.

I'm on to hitting John McCain with the corn belt (he will run poorly there due to ethanol, see the states of IA and IN and possibly NE as well as IL and MN being solidly blue).


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:19:37 AM EST
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Re: have you missed the diaries on the math? (none / 0)

Well, there's this diary on the math:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/12/9282 2/7106

And perhaps you aren't aware, but Obama has gotten 80% of the superdelegate endorsements since February.  I don't care who each of them endorse; they're free to endorse whomever they like according to DNC rules.

What I said if you care to read what I wrote before you TR it, is that she lost the nomination in February.  Yes, there was still a long way to go, and there are still a few more states to vote, but the lead Obama has goes back to the wins from February.  And he will probably still win with that many delegates or even less.  The wins that will take him to the nomination come from February, not any of the contests after that.


by The Distillery on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:19:44 AM EST
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Re: have you missed the diaries on the math? (2.00 / 3)

what part of this diary do you not understand?

-it does not talk about math
-it does not talk about delegates
-it does not talk about percentages
-it does not talk about superdelegates
-it does not talk about dnc


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:24:22 AM EST
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Re: have you missed the diaries on the math? (none / 0)

Sorry, I was just responding to the comment.  I didn't mean to pollute your diary.  My only point was that she did not lose the race because of sexism.


by The Distillery on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:31:27 AM EST
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Re: have you missed the diaries on the math? (2.00 / 2)

the title of the diary is....  but thank you for you comments.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:33:05 AM EST
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This is attempted hijacking. (1.00 / 2)

Coming from one of the most notorious HRC hate monger trolls on all of DKos, to boot.


by bobswern on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:33:57 AM EST
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Re: have you missed the diaries on the math? (2.00 / 1)

"and why are people still voting?"

The Republicans are still voting, and McCain has won.

You do understand that when everybody but the presumptive nominee has dropped out they still hold the remaining contests, right?

Those people still get to vote.  Their votes still count.  They just don't matter.  However, they just don't matter in the same way voting for a Democrat in California won't matter (they'll win anyway) or a vote for a Democrat in South Carolina won't matter (they'll lose anyway).

Go out and vote.  Do your part.  It actually matters quite a lot.  But don't expect that just because a particular state is among the last five states to vote it will somehow be determinative.  As we run out of states, the significance of any particular one drops - we're amassing results from nearly the entire country already.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:56:11 AM EST
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So true (1.85 / 7)

You are spot on.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:51:19 AM EST

The media has been a steaming pile of fail (2.00 / 4)

this cycle.  They inflamed the race issue.  They treat John McCain like he is a maverick while bashing Clinton on gender lines (I am fine with skewering over policy, but not on identity) and Obama on racial lines.

Matthews is going crazy (see his Chinese bus on the night of the potomac primary) Maher has lost a lot of respect form me (I used to love him last year).  I still like Olbermann and most of his guests, but that is due to the very deep reservoir of good will I have for him.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:52:03 AM EST

Once again (2.00 / 3)

you are spot on!

... we seem to have this odd little "relationship".   :)


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:57:53 AM EST
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I like to think of it as me (2.00 / 4)

retaining some rationality.  The Clinton's have done a lot of good in their lives, why should I hate them?  I may disagree with a few of her policies (gas tax and Iran) and her style (or is a better word strategy/tactics-I am talking about how she will fight for everything I am more a compromise/pragmatic kind of guy where it is possible), but that doesn't mean that "ZOMG she is evil" and must be defeated in the harshest way possible.  She is a good democrat and deserves to be treated as such, some of her supporters aren't (see the guy who called Obama an Affirmative action candidate for an example, likewise some of the Obama supporters are out of bounds as well as can be seen a lot over at Dkos) but if this weren't primary insanity season most of the people here would get along swimmingly, I plan on sticking around after primary madness so what good does it do me to attack those who don't see the world the exact same way I do.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:05:52 AM EST
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Oh and I forgot to add (2.00 / 3)

that I have seen you as rational from the start which helped immensely.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:09:14 AM EST
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Re: The media has been a steaming pile of fail (none / 0)

olbermann?!? uh no.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/24/0495 5/0435


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:47:51 AM EST
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yes (none / 0)

I know he has said some things that are not the greatest, but he mocked Matthews on the night of the "thrill up his leg" and has done fantastic work before the primary season.  He reference Bush crossing the Rubicon, how could a prairie populist like me who was putting up with life in a very republican town (seriously without the college it was 80-20 not have a deep reservoir of good will for him.

And he did apologize for the context of that comment which is a step above a lot of the articles you cite here.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:26:32 AM EST
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Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (2.00 / 2)

I'm with you on this one canada.

The guys in the media act like their in the boys locker room in

high school.

I don't think that has anything to do with Hillarys campaing being destroyed though.

Obama has seen the race issue crop up.

McCain will be teased because of his age.

Hillary has these pigs making jokes.

That's how they function. Sad, but true.

I love making fun of McCain though! (even if I not it's bad)


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:55:39 AM EST

Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (2.00 / 1)

Time to change into some dry Depends Gramps!


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:56:50 AM EST
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it is (2.00 / 3)

ageism tho.

Having lost my Dad, my mom, my step mom, and my brothers mother in law all recently (the last 3 in the last year), I have become intolerant of ageism.

All of these people were very SMART in different ways. My mom voted for the FIRST time in 2004 when she was 80. It took bush fucking everything up and my involvement in politics to get her to realize she needed to do this.
 After that she voted religiously in every local election.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:03:34 AM EST
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I don't think that's funny (2.00 / 1)

And neither will the American voters


by lombard on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:03:27 AM EST
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Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (none / 0)

i didnt want to mojo that comment - but for some reason it cant be undone. ;)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 02:09:01 AM EST
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Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (2.00 / 3)

Bill Maher's a creep and, among other things, has very bizarre ideas about science (such as the transmission of disease).  The "puppy right away" article is also particularly sad.


by rfahey22 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 01:05:48 AM EST

Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (2.00 / 1)

From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right. That's why she is falling short.

I remember her mocking jaunt at Obama in the Iowa debates.
Her cackle at a question pointed at him. Oh such hubris.


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:27:38 AM EST

Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (2.00 / 1)

Sigh... yeah I guess the double standards. total bias in the MSM and press and their complete and utter failure to properly vet BO had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

Then there's the sexist garbage like that exhibited in your closing crack re her supposed "cackle."

Nice try.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 13, 2008 at 10:27:32 AM EST
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Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (none / 0)

There are victories of the soul and spirit. Sometimes, even if you lose, you win.
Elie Wiesel
"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:21:24 PM EST
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Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (2.00 / 1)

weep for our daughters....

I remember, back at the height of Monica-gate, most of the action was on a website called Pathfinder. It was run by Time, this was before any of the now big political blogs existed.

And, from the right, there were many hewn cries:

Law and order itself is at stake?

The basis of the Republic is truth, and it will fall if Clinton stands...

But, the most famous one was:

What about the Children?

The point from the wingnuts was, Clinton has SOOO demolished morality, and justice, that if he wasn't removed from office, every child in the US was contaminated?

Now, the same statement, "what about the Children" is used for derision.

So, I think your "weep for our daughters." just because Hillary lost, is a little hyperbolic?

My daughter, and all her buds (she is 19) are backing Obama.

She's got her whole political life ahead of her, she will see a woman as POTUS in her lifetime.

And, believe me, I am sad for the Hillary supporters who are too old, they will not see one like she will.


My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.
by WashStateBlue on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:28:05 AM EST

Right on!!!! (2.00 / 1)

Half the senior VPs at my company are women (no African Americans).

Two out of my three program directors are women with PhDs.

My sister has a PhD, my best friend's wife is an MD.

There are tons of accomplished and educated women under 40 that I know (especially in the Bay Area).  A number of my female colleagues from law schools are partners at law firms (more than the guys I know).

Clinton is one of many trailblazers, especially those I admired and voted for or took classes from (including Barbara Jordan (black Congresswomen from Texas) and Ann Richards).

Trust me, that educated demographic that favors Obama percentage-wise is not adverse to voting for women.  Some of us actually have issues with her vote for Iraq and her health care plan in the early 90s.  Really....


by Regenman on Tue May 13, 2008 at 03:57:05 AM EST
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Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (none / 0)

There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.
Elie Wiesel
"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:20:41 PM EST
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look... (2.00 / 1)

hillary doesn't deserve this, but there's nothing new.  a year ago, i started posting about hillary's historical highs in her negatives, and you've just posted some anecdotal evidence confirming that her negatives were historically high (for a non-incumbent).  we knew all this.

i seriously doubt it has any impact on anyone besides hillary.  the fundamentals were profoundly against her, not just because she was a woman but also because she was a clinton.  in the end, she was unable to navigate through that burden, tried to use it as a bludgeon and was shocked that people didn't respond as they wished.  these were strategic calculations, and this campaign will be studied for a long time as what not to do when running for office.  let's hope your daughters learn that lesson, and they will be fine...  


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:57:28 AM EST

Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (2.00 / 1)

How funny, the diary talks about hillarys unfair treatment in the media adn yet doesn't mention hillarys treatment OF the media. Maybe if she hadn't called for the firing of several commentators she would have gotten better treatment. With all of her experience you'd think she would have at least learned how to win over the press. Instead the only press she tried to win over was the rabid right wing press. Once again hillary proves that her "experience" has proved to be nothing but words.


by venician on Tue May 13, 2008 at 10:53:37 AM EST

Re: how to destroy a candidate.... (none / 0)

I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
Elie Wiesel
"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:25:20 PM EST
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