Millennial Makeover Q & A



There were some good questions to the readings of Millennial Makeover, so I've recieved via email the responses from the authors in this post. Also, they will be on FireDogLake this Saturday for its book Salon, if you've any other questions.


Here are the previous entries on Millennial Makeover:  MySpace, YouTube and the Future of American Politics

Part I: About Political Makeovers

Part II: Millennials and the 2008 Election

Part III: Millennials and Public Policy

On to the Q & A:

Question from Fuzzy Dunlop

     Q. What is a "realignment election?" What possible outcomes would qualify 2008 as a realigning election?

     A. Political scientists and historians generally agree that realignments have occurred regularly and predictably about every four decades throughout U.S. history. There have been five previous realignments--in 1828, 1860, 1896, 1932, and 1968--and we believe that one is about to occur in 2008. During the forty years between realignments one of the political parties dominates the political process by winning about three-quarters of all presidential elections. Each of the parties has a stable coalition of groups that almost invariably give it a majority of their votes. (Think of the almost unanimous support of African-Americans for the Democrats and white Evangelical Protestants for the GOP and the predictable "red state/blue state" pattern we've seen for the past several decades). Finally, during the years between realignments, public policy concerns and outputs remain stable. For example, during the current era, public policy has emphasized the relatively laissez faire economic policies of the Reagan and Bush administrations and a significant focus on social issues such as abortion and gay rights.

     A realigning election (or era) produces a major turnover in electoral results.  Normally, in a realignment the formerly dominant party loses that status and the formerly weaker party becomes electorally dominant. That happened in 1828, 1860, 1932, and 1968.  Realignments invariably produce major alterations in party voting coalitions. The late 1960s realignment saw the South shift from being solidly Democratic to solidly Republican and the Northeast and New England move away from the Republicans to the Democrats. In public policy, that realignment also produced, among other things, the end of strong New Deal era governmental economic interventionism and a slowing down of civil rights legislation and enforcement.

     In Millennial Makeover, we argue that two types of realignment--"idealist" and "civic"--have alternated throughout U.S. history. Each type has sharply different characteristics and results than the other. The 1968 realignment was an "idealist" realignment. Idealist realignments produce a greater number of independents and split-ticket voting, low voter turnout, negative attitudes toward the political system and institutions, a focus on divisive social issues, more exclusionary racial and ethnic concerns, gridlock, limited government, and greater economic inequality.

     The coming realignment will be a "civic" realignment. It will lead to a greater level of voter identification with the political parties and more straight-ticket voting, high voter turnout, more positive attitudes toward politics and political institutions, lesser focus on social issues and greater concern with basic economic and international matters, more inclusive racial and ethnic concerns, revitalization and reliance of governmental institutions, and greater economic equality.

     For reasons we pointed out in previous postings, the Democrats (especially Obama, because of his strong appeal to the emerging Millennial Generation, but also Clinton) are best positioned to lead the coming civic realignment. But, in John McCain the Republicans will nominate a candidate with the greatest potential among all of the GOP contenders to produce a civic realignment. In the end, however, it won't simply be which party wins the election that will determine whether a realignment has or will occur. Party change is only one of several possible indicators. In addition, look for major changes in voting patterns, attitudes toward the political process, and public policy regardless of which party wins the presidency in November.

Questions from M. Boehm

      1) Historically, do voters tend to vote in large percentages for candidates of their own generation?  I've seen conflicting information about this.  

     2) In the next 20 years, will aging boomers offset the impact of the Millennials?  In other words, won't the voting age distribution chart look like Marilyn Monroe- heavy on the top (older) and bottom (younger).  Strauss/Howe place the start of the boomers at 1943 (if I remember correctly), meaning that the oldest boomers are turning 65 this year.

     3) Is there a good source of historical age cohort voting in Presidential elections?  I'm having some trouble finding this information before the 1990's and the widespread availability of exit polling data (which began during the 1960's?).      

     A. (Q. 1). Because an emerging generation that produces a realignment through its votes when it is very young, it must vote for candidates of an older generation. For example, the GI Generation that produced the "civic" New Deal realignment did so by electing Franklin Roosevelt, a member of the Missionary Generation. The Millennials who produce the next "civic" realignment will do that by electing older members of the either the Baby Boomer Generation (Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton) or Silent Generation (John McCain). Eventually, as members of the realigning generation themselves age and older generations inevitably pass from the scene, those in the realigning generation will vote for the own peers. Finally, as the realigning generation becomes elderly, it will, in turn, vote for members of younger generations.

     (Q. 2) Statistically, it is possible that Millennials could be outvoted by older generations in this election. However, the Millennial Generation is far more unified in its political attitudes and identifications than older generations. Its members identify as Democrats by about a 2:1 margin and it is probably the first generation since the GI Generation in which a greater number call themselves liberals rather than conservatives. It is also strongly united in its attitudes on a range of economic, international, and social issues. Finally, the gender and ethnic differences that separate the members of older generations from one another are very limited or even non-existent among Millennials. This unity in attitudes and behavior leads us to believe that, even though the Millennials will only comprise a  minority of the electorate in 2008, it will provide the crucial balance between the more divided older generations.

     However, the chances that Millennials will be outvoted by older generations will steadily diminish with time. For one thing, Millennials are a very large generation, the largest in U.S. history. The nearly 100 million Millennials now comprise about a third of the American population. By 2020, when all Millennials are eligible to vote and many Baby Boomers have died, the Millennial Generation will comprise a majority of the U.S. population and electorate and it will be impossible for an older generation to outvote them. This will especially be the case if, as we expect, Millennials remain politically unified and Boomers continue to be as divided as they have been for the past four decades.

     (Q. 3) There are two issues that impact the availability of age cohort data. First, scientific polling or sample survey research only began with the Gallup polls of the mid-1930s. Apart from anecdotal evidence, reliable information about generational voting patterns is unavailable before that time. In addition, survey data obtained since then, especially by academic or non-profit institutions, such as the University of Michigan Survey Research Center or the Pew Center for Survey Research, is archived and may be obtained by those with academic or non-commercial credentials. We were fortunate to have access to and the assistance of Pew in obtaining important data that we utilized in writing Millennial Makeover. Beyond that, we utilized analyses of voting behavior written by political scientists and other contemporary observers to obtain information about voting patterns and political attitudes within various age groups in previous historical eras. Finally, it may be possible to obtain archived information of this type from commercial research firms such as Gallup and Harris, although those organizations are often hesitant to do so.

Questions from mikeplugh

I'm involved in the Media Ecology field and wonder why there's no mention of Harold Innis, Marshall McLuhan, Walter Ong, Neil Postman or any of the people rooted in the tradition of medium theory cited in your work. It's a very good read and a very interesting piece of research, but it's missing the perspective on how Millennials are cognitively different beings than their Gen X and Baby Boomer predecessors.

They've been socialized less as literates and more as a kind of post-literate class of electronic learners. Baby boomers were still primarily a literate orientation, while Gen Xers shifted to an image-based cognition thanks to television as a primary communication environment. The Millennials are socialized in a digital/web-based environment on an increasing basis and cognitively resemble a tribal version of their literate American ancestors.

     Q. Curious about what consideration you gave to ideas like this in putting your book together...

     A. In our book we talk about the impact that Information Technology architectures--such as mainframe, client/server or web/social networks--have on organizational governance and culture. We draw upon the experience of the media industry, particularly the music sector, to suggest what happens when peer- to-peer architectures disrupt existing power structures and use those as analogies to political campaigns and their governing structures and cultural attributes.  We wrote all that early in 2007, before the Obama vs. Clinton Democratic primary campaign made these comparisons obvious to everyone. However, we did not delve into the works of those who have established medium theory and postulated that the medium impacts our cognitive development. The omission was simply a matter of us not feeling we had any particular expertise in this area that would allow us to provide any new insights on the question. That said, we don't have any quarrels with your insightful comments.

Questions from astrodem

     1) One of the dangers Strauss and Howe refer to in their work The Fourth Turning is the tendency late in an Unraveling for the older generations to cling to institutional and political power for too long...to the point where it can disrupt the transition into the subsequent turning (Crisis). Due to the peculiarities of our electoral college system, swing states like Florida, Pennsylvania, and Arizona--which have significant senior-aged populations--are likely to play a pivotal role in the 2008 election. Do you see any potential for swing states with large Silent-aged populations to delay the coming realignment? What specific dangers do you associate with such a scenario?

     2) Although the historic immigration rallies in the spring of 2005 involved participants of all ages and generations, it is my understanding that these rallies were largely organized by young Millennial-aged Latinos via their online social networks, email, texting, and by word-of-mouth. Latino Millennials then recruited their siblings, parents, grandparents, and extended families to join the cause. Do you see this as an early example of Millennial organizing abilities?

     3) Related to question #2, is it possible that we could see similar mass organizing by the Millennial generation in defense of their preferred presidential candidate during the Democratic Convention in Denver this summer? It seems highly unlikely that Millennials would be content to sit back and do nothing if Hillary Clinton were to use underhanded tactics to try to steal the nomination from Barack Obama. Are we looking at a replay of the 1968 convention, but on an even bigger scale?

     4) Tensions between the generations often erupt during realignments. During the late 60's and early 70's, those tensions became very personal. Boomer teenagers and twenty-something's rebelled quite openly against their own GI parents. The dinner table became a place of heated political confrontation, often to the point of mutual distrust and in some cases disrespect. Yet we don't see that kind of highly personalized intergenerational hostility AT ALL as the realignment of this decade approaches. Millennials get along famously with their Boomer parents, seeing their parents as inalienable friends and vital to their support system, even when they and their parents are supporting different candidates. In this realignment, we can see the generational tensions in our politics, but not so much in our personal lives. How do you explain this difference?

     5) One of the big changes that I have noticed in late Xers and Millennials is they are far more attracted to urban living than their parents, who prefer big houses on big plots in big suburbs. Today's youth, influenced by shows like The Real World, Sex and the City, Will and Grace, and Seinfeld seem far more attracted to urban lofts, condos, and high rises. They have also been influenced by a pop culture that demonizes and/or ridicules suburbia: American Beauty, Desperate Housewives, the Stepford Wives, Disturbia, etc. With the collapse of the housing market, many are forecasting the end of suburbia as we know it, predicting that suburbs are going to become the ethnic and working class slums of the 21st Century. Even if these predictions are overstating the case, this still strikes me as a major shift in our culture and demography. Does this kind of shift have any precedent in previous realignments or turnings? What, if any, are the political implications?

     A. (Q. 1). Our primary motivation for writing the book was to explain the Millennial Generation to older generations so America would not mismanage this particular generational transition. While we think the Millennial Generation is too large and too unified for its  impact to be thwarted by smaller and more divided older generations, your point about the  older electorates in certain states conflicting with younger voters, is a good example of what could go wrong. Arizona, and to a lesser degree, Florida, won't matter much since they are likely McCain states anyway. But Pennsylvania will remain a real test of the Democratic party's ability to heal its generational divisions right on through the general election. If it turns out to be the state that allows a Silent generation candidate to take office in staunch opposition to a Millennial-oriented Congress, Millennials might raise the intensity of their demand for change in ways that could be very disruptive to our political process. But the social rules Millennials have embraced make it unlikely that we would see open rebellion as opposed to increased political participation from this young generation that will eventually overwhelm older voters in most states, if not in 2008, than very shortly afterwards.

     (Q. 2) Yes we do. In Los Angeles the Millennial Latino organizers first asked their parents for permission to leave school to organize the demonstrations. When they got to City Hall they respectfully met with the political power structure to be sure they were sympathetic to their cause. While their leaders met with the Mayor the rest of them sat down on the steps of City Hall since some of them had read that "sit ins" were part of the student protests in the sixties. When the march was done, the Millennials picked up their trash so as not to disturb the urban environment and went  quietly back on their school buses and returned to school. The contrast in style and tone with the political protests of their idealist Boomer parents couldn't have been more dramatic.  

     (Q. 3) While it is quite possible that Millennials will organize to make sure the Democratic convention nominates their favorite candidate, it would be highly unlikely that the protests would be in the streets or resemble the events of the 1968 convention in any other way. Millennials will insist the older adults in the arena "play by the rules" and find "win-win solutions" that work for the entire group.  The idea of forcing confrontation and creating winners and losers is just not in this generation's consciousness. Instead you are likely to see electronic petitions, lots of YouTube videos, and a constant stream of chatter on social networks and cell phones designed to persuade the delegates to `do the right thing." The implied threat will be not violent physical disruption, but a willingness to desert the Democratic Party in November 2008 and very likely for the coming four decades.

     (Q. 4) Millennials are not Boomers. They belong to an entirely different generational archetype. They are members of a "civic" generation, Boomer are members of an "idealist" generation. While Millennials are as young now as their parents were in the sixties, that doesn't necessarily mean that the two generations will act the same way politically or in other respects.  The behavior of Millennials, in fact, resembles that of the earlier civic generation, the GI Generation, which took on the problems of the Depression and World War II that were  left to it  by older generations and used the political process to find solutions to those problems.  The members of the GI Generation  didn't complain. They didn't riot in the streets. They just went about the business of remaking America in fundamental ways. The political campaigns of the 1930s  were just as intense as those we are experiencing today,  but even in the midst of the worst economic crisis the country has ever faced violent social protest was at a minimum. Even the Socialist party that offered a very populist, radical economic solution to the Great Depression was unable to secure the support of more than 3 % of the voters at the depth of the Depression in the 1932 presidential election.  As with the GI Generation, rules  matter to Millennials, unlike their anti-establishment Boomer and Gen-Xer  parents.

     (Q. 5) There is no evidence of the demographic shifts you describe. Families and jobs continue to migrate to America's suburbs despite talk of "cool cities" or the attractiveness of urban culture. Lots of young Millennials live in cities, of course--or on college campuses. But more than a quarter of those older than eighteen still live with their parents, presumably in suburban settings. And once they become "settled" by  getting married and having families they show no sign of reversing the continuing suburbanization of America that has been characteristic of the United States  for the last fifty years. The pop culture examples you cite are not indicative  of Millennial culture. Think instead of High School Musical and Hanna Montana.  Those represent Millennial ideals and values much more than what the Boomer producers and Gen X writers in Hollywood think of as fare for the youth market.

Questions from TinaH1963

     Q) We already have a national service program--it's called Americorps.  We also already have programs that reward people with money for college if they use their postgraduate education to serve in underserved communities.  Still, I like the idea of requiring service, because I think we should all give back.

     A) We have certainly not meant to omit or denigrate the existence or value of the existing national service programs--Americorps-- as well as the Peace Corps and the U.S. Military. Nor are we necessarily predicting the creation of new national service organizations, although it would not surprise us if those were created during the next several decades.

Rather we are simply pointing to the extraordinary willingness of the members of the Millennial Generation to serve their country and their communities in a variety of ways. In 2004, 80% of high school students, all of whom were Millennials, participated in a community service program. This compares with only 27% of high school students, all of whom were Gen-Xers, who did so in 1984. Similarly, in 2006 more than a quarter (26%) of national service volunteers were 16-24 years old.  Again all of them were members of the Millennial Generation. This is twice the percentage contributed by members of Generation X of that age in 1989 (13%).  

More anecdotally, Jon Schnuur, the CEO of New Leaders for New Schools, said in a recent event at which we spoke that more than 10 percent of the last graduating classes of both Princeton University and Spelman College had applied for the national Teacher Corps, too many for that organization to enroll. In addition, perhaps Barack Obama's biggest applause line when he speaks on college campuses is his proposal to provide two years of college expenses in exchange for one form or another of public service. While, in part, this positive reaction likely stems from the self-interest of a generation beleaguered by college loan debt, it also reflects the orientation toward service of this generation of Americans.  Finally, regardless of one's personal opinion of the Iraq war or the way in which the Bush Administration in managing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, all of us must recognize that many, if not most, of the front line troops in those conflicts are members of the Millennial Generation who have volunteered to serve and who are doing so with dedication, competence, and courage.

At this point, we cannot predict with certainty whether the increased opportunities for public service will become mandatory or remain voluntary. On the one hand, the already existing proclivity of Millennials to volunteer for public service, as well as proposals such as Senator Obama's to compensate such service, may make more coercive measures unnecessary. On the other, given the positive attitudes toward and the value placed on public service by this generation, we would not expect Millennials to resist mandatory public service to nearly the extent that those in older generations, in particular Baby Boomers, once did.



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Interesting stuff. As a baby boomer with a son who's just 18, my anecdotal evidence from the UK is that this generation is very interested in public service and activism, but just not in the polarised fashion of the culture wars.

Perhaps it's because, perversely, a lot of those culture war battles were actually won by liberals, though we tend to forget that because of the counter reactions


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:49:40 AM EST

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Thanks for getting my question up Jerome. I'm enjoying this series a lot. Great idea, and thanks for using this forum to accomplish a better understanding of the book. Cheers.


by mikeplugh on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:59:35 AM EST

Very interesting. (none / 0)

This explains a lot.  I was politically active as a young woman but my son (and his Gen X friends) isn't.  He didn't even vote until he was 38 (2006).  My grandson who is in college now is politically active (hallelujah) and so are his friends.  I see me in him (without the 'fro and the love beads).

A part of the reason I decided to support Obama when Biden dropped out is because my grandson is supporting him.  It seems a good time to pass the torch to a new generation of enthusiastic activists.  Even though Obama is a late boomer, he's the one the twenty-somethings (millenials?) identify with.

Is the re-alignment something to do with the size of a generation?


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:49:44 AM EST

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The coming realignment will be a "civic" realignment. It will lead to a greater level of voter identification with the political parties and more straight-ticket voting, high voter turnout, more positive attitudes toward politics and political institutions, lesser focus on social issues and greater concern with basic economic and international matters, more inclusive racial and ethnic concerns, revitalization and reliance of governmental institutions, and greater economic equality.
I don't think that "Straight ticket voting" may eventually lead to "positive attitudes towards politics," I don't know what the stats are, but I imagine most people already vote that way, depending on their party affiliation. I voted straight ticket in 2006. The Democratic party did very well during that election.

Now, I'm not so sure that really does any good for either party; voters are taken for granted. Political pandering takes place but there's little action and that's why I took action myself; I mailed off my "unaffiliated/independent" party change for the good of both parties and for the good of the country, IMO.


by soyousay on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:08:27 AM EST

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Thanks for answering my question!  Your book sounds very interesting and I'll be sure to pick up a copy when I get the chance (traveling abroad right now).


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:22:08 AM EST

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Why isn't 1994 -- when conservative southern dems finally went GOP -- a realignment? Was it because it was expected? (Thanks, Air Conditioning!) And why wouldn't current realignments (the Liberal GOP in the NE turning democratic, the libertarian west's incompatability with southern big-government conservatism) -- a function of that?


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:33:29 AM EST

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because it really wasn't that big a deal, and just a delayed effect of Reagan.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:43:31 PM EST
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I think the current political environment is a lot like it was at the start of the last century.  Who doubts we've been living through the Gilded Age Part II?  From 1865-1900, the great driving force of politics was the aftermath of the Civil War.  The great leaders of this time are mostly forgotten (how much does the average student know about Grover Cleveland), but one can draw some good analogies between the "culture wars" of their day and ours.

And around 1900, a new class of younger activists and politicians came on the scene, with traits very much like the ones the author sees in the "millenials", and while they didn't accomplish everything they set out to do they were able to wrest control of both parties from those who were locked into these earlier battles.  

The roots of the Democrats being the "left" or "progressive" party in the United States, for instance, go back to this time (and that wasn't inevitable, Teddy Roosevelt Republicans were the progenitors of New Deal-like policies, Woodrow Wilson stole these issues, and if he hadn't the Dems, easily, could have turned into the party whose signature issue was defending racial segregation).

One reason I backed Obama early is because I see in his candidacy an emergence of this sort of generational politics (esp. w/ respect to the "experience factor", Roosevelt and Wilson came from no where, TR, indeed, was originally regarded by members of his party as something of a joke).  And you had these great figures in both parties, old and new, who battled it out (Bob La Follette, William J. Bryan, Henry Cabot Lodge, etc.).

Seen from a long distance, history always repeats itself.  Viewed up close, it never does.  But Dems could learn a lot by studying this period (because the question in play, really, is this--how does one convert a broad but ill-defined wish that there should be a more activist, or simply more efficient, government, into one which actually lives up to these aspirations and has broad public support?).

Lastly, if we're talking about a time frame of two decades or so, one shouldn't immediately assume that the Democrats will be the ones who figure this out (even if he's elected McCain, can we agree, is a dead end for the GOP, while it's not happening this year the Republicans will try to reinvent themselves, and the influence of this "civil realignment", I have no doubt, will be felt in both parties).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:00:44 PM EST

Huh? (none / 0)

I like this series and think the analysis of Winograd and Hais is quite interesting and useful. However, I was surprised by this statement:

The members of the GI Generation didn't complain. They didn't riot in the streets. They just went about the business of remaking America in fundamental ways. The political campaigns of the 1930s  were just as intense as those we are experiencing today,  but even in the midst of the worst economic crisis the country has ever faced violent social protest was at a minimum. Even the Socialist party that offered a very populist, radical economic solution to the Great Depression was unable to secure the support of more than 3 % of the voters at the depth of the Depression in the 1932 presidential election.  As with the GI Generation, rules  matter to Millennials, unlike their anti-establishment Boomer and Gen-Xer  parents.

As I understand it, the very militant CIO organized the labor movement through sit-down strikes and other agitation throughout the 1930s. Most of these activities were in the streets and some of these actions were very bloody. True, there was not a Communist revolution like the one in Russia in 1917, but the turbulence in the 1930s was pretty intense. And the CIO organizing was a key part of the Democratic coalition that pushed FDR to the left.

I fear that Winograd and Hais are so enamored with their theory that they are blocking out some realities that don't fit with it.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by RandomNonviolence on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:03:54 PM EST

thank you (none / 0)

Frank Rich referenced this book in yesterday's column.

I know that someone at 233 North Michigan has taken a look at this book.

In this primary and with some notable exceptions (like Iowa and Texas), Silents (65+) have comprised on average about double the percentage of the total vote of Millennials (26-).


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:14:01 PM EST

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I'm guessing W&H would argue that the GI generation was too young to have participated in the social activism of the 1930s (and they're really talking about those who went off to war or into the munitions factories during the 1940s and then into suburbia during the 1950s, if one goes by the stereotypes).

I don't think the generation gap within the Democratic party this primary season has gotten nearly the attention it deserves.  The large size of the baby boom generation, combined with longer life spans, has created a situation where the two political parties are "top heavy" (and I think that's particularly true of the Democrats, the problem isn't that they have so many leaders with national prominence whose politics was formed during the cultural shifts of the 1960s-70s but that they have so few who came of age later).

A lot of the appeal of the GOP to people in this younger half of the population, I think, comes from the fact that the Republicans came up with a critique of this cultural shift which spoke to some real anxieties people had (eg. people who are under 45 are far more likely to have grown up in a single-parent household or one which was affected by divorce, and the GOP "family first" rhetoric, to this group, seems to address a real problem).  Not suggesting that Dems are on the "wrong side" of these issues, but because their leadership didn't have the same set of experiences I often get the impression they're just not aware of the problem (and so they didn't address the GOP critique and come up with something which resonates equally well).

The Millenials are the new kids on the block.  And while it's weird to think so, the baby boom generation is now on the cusp of retirement, and the fortunes of the Democratic party will depend upon those who replace them.  Think that's why the issue has gotten short-shrift--what are we talking about if not the implications of mortality? (and, well, that's not pleasant to think about).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:33:03 PM EST

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Btw, suspect the authors are very wrong when they predict that Millenials would be more open to this idea of mandatory public service.  From what I've seen and heard, they're great believers in a kind of social libertarianism which includes a strong componant of volunteerism.  If I can reference the campaign again, consider the differences between Clinton's and Obama's health care plans when it comes to the issue of mandates.  If someone polled voters I'll bet the generational divide would be stark (w/ older voters don't trusting Obama's plan and younger voters bristling at the idea that participation should be mandatory).      


by IncognitoErgoSum on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:45:10 PM EST

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All of the previous realignments pitted white man against white man in the presidential, as well as primarily white men against white men in congressional.

2008 is a truly historic race in that it brings race and gender into the forefront. African Americans have been a large part of the Democratic equation for several decades. Women have been factored in only after the gender gap became a polling variable, and then only as a small percentage.

African American turnout has long been important but I don't remember women's turnout being regarded in the same way.
This is the first election in which women's turnout are are a huge factor and this breakthrough results in dismissive arguments against the candidate just as previously dismissive arguments were made against Jesse Jackson.

ln addition, I don't think the needs of the African American working class are taken into account any more than the white working class (weird that I feel it necessary to break it down racially for this election because "working class" has somehow been transformed into "poor white trash".

Anyway that's part of how I see this whole election.


by MaggieDavenport on Mon May 12, 2008 at 01:00:49 PM EST

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"...I feel it necessary to break it down racially for this election because "working class" has somehow been transformed into "poor white trash."

Well put:-))

Thanks to the candy ass media who won't come out and just say what they mean. Basically that the poor white trash who make up Hillary's base are too racist to ever vote for Obama.


by nintendofanboy on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:00:52 PM EST
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BTW, I'm not saying that's true, just that that's what the media has been telling us...without actually coming out and saying it.


by nintendofanboy on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:08:18 PM EST
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Speculative but Quite Interesting (none / 0)

Most so called realignments are also associated with big historical events. In 1828, most states began allocating their electoral votes by popular vote rather than by the state legislature. In 1860, the Civil War changed the political landscape. Whether the election of 1896 constitutes a realignment is somewhat controversial, and the 1932 election was the consequence of the Great Depression. Also, one could also argue that 1980 and not 1968 was the realigning election.

I have always argued that the real realigning elections were 1832, 1864, 1936 and (1972 or 1984). It's the second election after the change that determines how permanent the change is.

What is critical about realignments, is that change has to occur and the general population must view the change as good. Thus, the election of 1860 could not have taken place if the Union army was headed for defeat. The re-alignment of 1932 could not have taken place if the country hadn't started recovering from the Great Depression, and the relignment of 1980 could not have taken place without the economic recovery of the 1980s.

Thus, in order for 2008 to be a realigning election, real change must result from the election, and the change must be perceived to be good. In a sense, Warren Harding represented change, but there is no discussion of a realignment in 1920. Moreover, there was a quite a big electoral shift in 1992, but few historians would argue that the 1992 election was a realignment, but may have had Gore won in 2000.

I would argue that the apparent 28-36 year cycles is more of a statistical artifact. Realignments occur at random intervals.

Finally, it is not clear whether the Milenium generation will be the generation that will bring about progressive change. According to polling data, people in this generation are somewhat more conservative than other generations on social and foreign policy issues. For example, the young are somewhat more supportive of the war in Iraq. The young is also more supportive of restricting abortion rights, and the young is less supportive of affirmative action on grounds that affirmative action is reverse discrimination. It takes two elections to decide a realigning election. If Obama wins this election, a realigning election can only occur if the young support Obama in the subsequent election.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Mon May 12, 2008 at 01:33:46 PM EST

Re: Millennial Makeover Q & A (none / 0)

Thanks for getting my questions to them Jerome!


by astrodem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 03:35:46 PM EST


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