Draft Obama/Clinton

For those of you who want to see a democratic unity ticket of Obama/Clinton this November, you may be interested in the group Draft Obama/Clinton http://draftobamaclinton.com/petition/ The group also has a petition going calling for this unity ticket. It is addressed as "We the People," and sets forth:

"Millions have participated in Democratic primaries and caucuses this election year. We have infused our nation's democracy with new energy.

This unprecedented involvement by the grassroots citizenry has given the Democratic Party two excellent candidates for President.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have each earned the support of millions. Both are committed to bringing our nation together and moving our nation forward.

Now it is time to put aside the little that divides us and come together around the fundamental values that unite us.

Barack Obama's leadership has inspired a new generation to participate in politics. Hillary Clinton's experience and perseverance will strengthen the ticket.

We ask you to sign our petition calling for Barack Obama as President and Hillary Clinton as Vice President, a ticket that will be unbeatable this November."



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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 3)

Apparently Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy says NO.

The lord has spoken .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:49:52 PM EST

Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Do you really think that Hillary would take second best?


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:51:57 PM EST

Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 6)

Its called the vice president .

If she is offered she just might .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:53:38 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 1)

  1. It's a heartbeat away from the presidency, and theoretically would have value in 8 years.

  2. It gives Obama a chance to show he "is above the pettiness," doesn't hold grudges, and is the unity candidate he claims to be.  The only downside is he ticks off a lot of Clinton-haters, but the 2000 delegates in Denver who don't love him would instantly become true believers.

  3. The VP only has as much power as the President lets him/her have (compare Quayle to Cheney).

by alamedadem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:04:08 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

I think she would but I think they would be a terrible team, and I think most of the interest comes from her campaign.  I read on one of the news sites this morning (can't re-find it) that one of the Obama-Hillary websites, not sure if it is this one, was launched by some of her associates.  I'm still trying to find that and will post if I do.  There has just been too much bad feeling all around.  It's been a long and ugly campaign.

I also thnk Obama would be a terrible choice for VP with Clinton at the top of the ticket, for the same reasons.  I don't think either could work with the other at this point.


by mady on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:09:35 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Would you please make us a list of all the candidates in the history of this nation that have turned down the Vice Presidency when it was offered?


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:14:31 PM EST
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That's actually unknowable (none / 0)

because it is usually offered in private and accepted or rejected in private.

Also worth noting that there's never been a situation where the potential VP was a former first lady.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:21:41 PM EST
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Re: That's actually unknowable (none / 0)

Since, according to you, it's done in private and rejected in private, then how do you know about it? Is this just one of the things you just know.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:59:34 PM EST
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Re: That's actually unknowable (none / 0)

Huh? How do I know what? That there's never been a former first lady VP candidate. Actually, I don't. It is quite possible there have been. What I do know is that the reason nobody ever turns it down is because it would be stupid to publicly ask the question without already knowing what the answer is going to be. Carry on.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:43:27 AM EST
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Re: That's actually unknowable (none / 0)

Yes, there has never been another first lady candidate--is  that another thing you just know?


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:19:04 AM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Didn't Ford turn it down in 1980?


by alamedadem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:47:10 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

I don't know, but is that the extent of the entire list?


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:00:31 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Taking as a given that being rude or dismissive about this idea is not the way any of Obama's or Sen. Clinton's supporters should act, and I'm sure doesn't represent how the candidates themselves would like it to be discussed, I stand by the idea that a combination ticket isn't the way to go.

You simply can't have sound bites and video clips of the ticket attacking each other explicitly and directly. A Clinton surrogate might possibly file the bottom of the ticket, and I definitely expect to see Sen. Clinton extremely active in an Obama administration, but I don't think a dream ticket is in the cards.


by werehippy on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:55:15 PM EST

Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 3)

Really like 1960 and JFK and LBJ.  Or Reagan and Bush.  But lets not let history get in the way of good old spin.

david


by giusd on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:02:05 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

I can't say I followed either of those races with much interest, what with not being born and still mastering that whole walking upright thing at the time, respectively, but I think my point is still valid.

I can't imagine either of those VP picks attacked the Presidential nominee as directly and unambiguously as Sen. Clinton has attacked Obama (not at all to point fingers or say she was the only one, but we are discussing her viability as VP on an Obama ticket). And even if they had, those were different times. Media was different, and now those attacks are captured for the world to see and watch over, and over, and over again.

Maybe it's just me, but I can see this becomes something that would dog a joint ticket the entire race, especially if things work out as well as I'd hope and the republicans can't find anything to attack Obama on that we haven't already seen.

I'm in no way dismissing the need to unify the party or attacking Sen. Clinton. I'm just of the opinion that there are better ways to do that than a joint ticket. At the very least there are some significant negatives to the idea that I haven't heard the people putting the idea forward addressing.


by werehippy on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:12:39 PM EST
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No. (none / 0)

Terrible ticket, terrible idea.  I will be sickend if they manage to force him into it.  Which is certainly possible with the superdelegates.  They might have near identical policies, but they have vastly diffrent messages.  She would have more power in the Senate(and would be more useful) than as VP, so I don't even understand the rationale here.  Unless she was just doing it to block someone else from getting a bump as VP for future elections.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:55:33 PM EST

Re: No. (2.00 / 2)

Funny i thought they were both democrats.  I guess you dont seem to agree.  Much like 16 million democrats will have or have voted for her buy hell maybe they are not democrats as well.

Who knew.

david


by giusd on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:57:43 PM EST
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Re: No. (none / 0)

They might have near identical policies
 

Yes I was implying they wern't both Democrats when I said that.  Or did you not bother reading it all the way through? By messages I was talking about his of Change, and hers as dynasty insider.  You really misread it that bad?  Or did you just make stuff up and go from there?


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:13:16 PM EST
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Re: No. (2.00 / 2)

I guess dancing on the Clintons' graves is more important than Obama putting together the best possible administration he can.  I wonder how many people here really wanted Obama to succeed or just wanted Clinton to fail.  The euphoria over her supposed demise has been breathtaking.


by alamedadem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:11:14 PM EST
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Re: No. (none / 0)

You may think that she contributes to the Administration in the VP slot, I said, she has more power in the Senate, I guess you can take that to mean ha ha the Clintons fail.  Could be I think we need a "insert random pro Clinton Comment" in the Senate to get Legislation through.   Do you really think the VP slot has any value to her? It is not going to raise her national image any, and she loses power and responsibility.  Is the VP slot more than a symbolic and surrogate position unless the President Dies?  

In her 2003 memoir, "Living History," Clinton seemed to agree: "As much as I loved my husband and my country, adjusting to being a full-time surrogate was difficult for me. Mary Catherine and Jean helped me better understand that the role of first lady is deeply symbolic and that I had better figure out how to make the best of it."

If she had trouble doing it for her husband, do you think she will be able to do it for Obama?


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:26:35 PM EST
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I actually think there are better places (none / 0)

for her to work within an Obama administration. I think that under present circumstances she is not a good running mate. It has the potential to dilute his message. First, it's against his change and politics as usual message. Second, there's the war thing. One of his biggest assets against McCain is being able to say he was against the war from day one, and with Hillary on the ticket, it dilutes that message.

Finally, and with no offense, giving the Republicans the chance to use all of the crap they've been saving up for years to use against the assumed Hillary run is taking on Hillary's electability problems and low non-Democrat approval rating. Terrible idea.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:28:58 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (1.00 / 1)

Maybe if it were just Hillary, but Bill CANNOT control his mouth and would be a huge liability. He has been taking speaking money at places Hillary opposes, who thinks he's just going to stop once Barack becomes president? No one can stop him from hurting his wife, so who thinks they can stop him from hurting someone he's not even married to?


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:55:44 PM EST

Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (1.75 / 4)

I guess you think Michelle Obama is a plus ?


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:57:14 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Plus or minus, she's already a given and while she may be something of a (small) drag this cycle it'll be a non-issue after that.

Bill Clinton isn't an automatic part of an Obama White House now (though I think he would be an amazing ambassador or UN representative) and the problem he presents will just become worse after the election.


by werehippy on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:59:48 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

I for the record am head over heels for Michelle.

As a man, Im actually a little jealous of Barack.

If we could all be that lucky.........


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by GeorgeP922 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:05:17 PM EST
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I do. (1.33 / 3)

I think she is a big plus.  And she has been less damaging than Hillary was for Bill during the nominating process.  Have we forgotten the cries of damaged integrity and conflict of intrest between her job at Rose Law Firm, and his as Governo.r  Ultimately Michelle comes off as, honest and strong,  and they seem like a great and loving couple together.  Bill and Hillary did not always play that way  even before the Republicans got involved.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:03:27 PM EST
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Re: I do. (none / 0)

If there has ever been the "ideal" example of the American family in a POTUS canidate it is Obama.

Not to put down any other families, just saying.   Look at it objectively from the outside,  They have children, not too young, not too old.

You got all those quotes of Michelle promising them a puppy win or lose,  children first, yada yada.

This will be a HUGE hit on McCain.  
A man who left his first wife after she waited for him 5 years while he was in vietnam for another woman (Cindy, also, their affair was before the divorce)
And why did he marry Cindy,  money and power.
He went from soldier to politics in the same span of events.


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by GeorgeP922 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:10:11 PM EST
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Re: I do. (2.00 / 0)

Ah, Cindy McCain - who vowed never to release her tax returns - EVER.  I don't think we have to worry if the GOP tries to play the elitist card.


by alamedadem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:15:05 PM EST
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Re: I do. (none / 0)

I want to say for 500th time.

I CANNOT WAIT for General Election, its going to be so easy.

Don't forget, the media curtain is alot thinner for the GOP this time!


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by GeorgeP922 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:22:06 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

I actually feel she's a huge plus. She's a vibrant, intelligent, professional woman and mother of two beautiful young girls. Do you find that offensive in some way?


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:30:43 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 2)

If there was a race of Bill Clinton agianst BO BO would get clocked.  He is an icon with democrats but i forget we are talking about a new democratic party when the Clintons has their supporters are not neccessary or wanted.

david


by giusd on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:59:41 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

What do you think of him taking money to speak in support of the Colombian trade deal Hillary claims to oppose?


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:03:40 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 2)

What do i think.  Big Yawn.  But BO supporters will never quit smear the only two term democratic president in the last 50 years.

No one is perfect.  But tell me what do you think of BO supporting Leiberman who is the biggest Jerkoff in america and who today suggested that BO was in with Hamas?

david


by giusd on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:08:34 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Well not exactly accurate Kennedy / Johnson could be counted as two terms or not, depending on how you wanted to look at it.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:46:21 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Well i stand corrected and must agree this is an issue that i had not considered.  I dont consider LBJ a two term pres but i think LBJ was the best president of the last 50 years.  His record shines including civil rights.  And imho opinion he is not to blame for veitnam since i think this was Kennedy's fault.

david


by giusd on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:52:36 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

No, LBJ is not to blame for starting it. He's only to blame for the fake Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, and the big escalation of that war. He was basically forced out of office as a result of his Vietnam policy.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:05:31 PM EST
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Why are you trying to pick a fight where none (none / 0)

exists or is necessary?


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:31:47 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Old Democratic Party, new Democratic Party, your not wanted? Good grief where does this come from?  Because your candidate might loose?  Because there has been trash talk on both sides?

Political parties are not stagnant. The fact that they are made up of people means they have to shift as more and more  new people come in and start to reshape it. This what happened with Bill 16 years ago and may again be starting to happen.

Does this make the party bad? No just different. I've been in this party for 40 years. I have seen and embraced and pushed back against numerous changes.

"Our dilemma is that we hate change and love it at the same time; what we really want is for things to remain the same but get better."
Sydney Harris

Good luck with your dilemma.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:39:07 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 1)

That's just the point, Bill will be busy with his speeches. In case you missed it, that's basically how they amassed 109 million in 8 years. I don't think you will see him around much.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:18:09 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

I wouldn't be too pleased. While they may have similar policy positions, the ethos of the campaigns have been incredibly different, and that's what has made me an Obama supporter since day one. Hillary runs a top-down campaign; Obama runs a truly bottom-up effort.

That, and the fact that unfolding world events suggest we'll need a Roosevelt-like presence in the White House, where the message isn't muddled or confused by an overly-involved Vice-Presidency. He needs an ally on Mass Ave, not a rival.


by amiches on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:04:21 PM EST

think bigger. (2.00 / 1)

Obama, if he is the nominee, will have huge deficits that the repugs will like to exploit.  These are not "new", everyone knows he will need to shore up his economics, defense, social policy, etc.   If he chooses someone too strong in one area (e.g. defense) as his VP (e.g., Clark., Powell[but questionable re Iraq war lies]), he will highlight his own weaknesses.

Remember the role of the VP...sort of to do the heavy lifting of critiquing while the nominee stays above it.

So choice of VP: my view?  Someone who would best tie the Iraq war and Bush tax cuts to the economic diaster at home.  Take the "defense" mantle away from McSame and redefine it to include economic security of the homeland. I think that could be JRE, for example.

Thinking bigger: very soon after the VP is announced, give a pre-emptive view of the new cabinet (defense, secretary of state [my preference for HRC],etc)--a unity cabinet of the best and the brightest--even including Dodd, Biden.

Ok, sorry it took so long to get here.  As to HRC as VP?  Obama must at the very least offer it to her, despite Michelle's opposition.  I don't think she will take it, but it is common courtesy for Obama to offer it to her....it was a close and well-fought race, despite the warts on both sides.


by 4justice on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:17:18 PM EST

ps (none / 0)

also depends on McCain's VP?

Kay Bailey Hutchinson
Collins or Snowe
Rice
Leiberman
Romney
?????


by 4justice on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:30:01 PM EST
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Re: ps (none / 0)

I think the process of choosing the GOP VP will be almost as comedic as their primary.

Im sure people are lining up for a chance to get embarrassed, humiliated, and smeared with facts.

They need to nominate Newt Gingrich for VP, that would be comic gold.


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by GeorgeP922 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:35:36 PM EST
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Re: think bigger. (none / 0)

Enough with the talk of putting a Republican on our ticket - Powell, are you kidding me?.  MSNBC today said Obama should pick Hagel.  While he may be a "reasonable" Republican, the Democratic ticket is not the place for Republican.


by alamedadem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:34:58 PM EST
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how does he make up for (none / 0)

Ohio, Florida, and other states he can't win right now?  He's got to get the republican red states--Colorado, maybe MT,SD,KY, NE...you get the picture--making up the "math" of the EV.

He defines himself as post partisan.  hagel would trump McCain on defense. So I don't think it is out of the question that a republican could be a strategy for Obama.


by 4justice on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:41:48 PM EST
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Re: how does he make up for (none / 0)

I for one, don't want a Republican a heartbeat away from the Presidency - a heartbeat away from nominating justices to the Supreme Court.


by alamedadem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:46:12 PM EST
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seems (none / 0)

OK to me.

On the rethug side, I think mccain's best bet would be huckleberry. He would bring the religious right and he does not act like a used car salesman or a raving loon... they would still SUCK big time!


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by kevin22262 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:18:56 PM EST

Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

So, I got a question for all you Clinton supporters who SEEMINGLY like this idea:

Why would you want a man you describe as

A thug

A liar

A racist

An Amatuer

A thief....

to work with the Senator, who most of you won't EVEN admit has run a lousy campaign (thank you Mark Penn) and has lost.

How can you ask Senator Clinton, the best candidate since Lincoln (according to most of you) to team up with the worst, AND to realize,

HE WILL BE IN CHARGE, not she, not Bill?

Seems to me, you would prefer she spit in his face, call him the liar, thief and thug you all accuse him to be?

Wouldn't THAT be the thing anyone with integrity would do?


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:21:20 PM EST

the other side of the coin (2.00 / 1)

could be said: why should Clinton be a VP to a man who has dissed her, called her vain, petty, racist? So that point actually gets this discussion no where.  

Sometimes you have to think of the larger democratic party here, not just your candidate.  REmember, he's supposed to be the "democratic" nominee?  Last time I checked it includes a lot of people, including HRC and her supporters.


by 4justice on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:46:01 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 2)

Hillary would be an enormous asset to the ticket. Her entry on the ticket will immediately bring along her enormous base. Having her on the ticket makes it the favorite to win Ohio, and puts Florida into play. She most likely puts Arkansas in the democratic column. Kentucky and Tennessee become more competitive, and so does West Virginia. She helps Obama attract Hispanic voters, and that will be critical come November. And, like Obama, she already has organizations in place across the country. Most importantly she is the only candidate who can now unite the entire party for Obama; like it or not, that is the reality. And there really is no reason not to like it, because together they are an unstoppable combination.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:28:03 PM EST

I agree (none / 0)

with this being the thing that brings a "sigh of relief" from all democrats who are agonizing now.  I also agree it is an unstoppable ticket for the millions of voters they both inspired!

I wonder about the hostility?

Obama needs to at least offer her the VP post. I also agree that Bill will be giving speeches but could also be a huge asset to Obama.  Hang together, or hang separately?


by 4justice on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:35:36 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 1)

In addition to organizations around the country, Obama gets 4000+ crazy delegates ready to work their butts off for the ticket (instead of 2000 crazy delegates and 2000 not so enthusiastic delegates), and Hillary's donor lists are still worth something.  He also gets to show the country his unity talk is not BS - it's real - along the lines of, "look, I put the bitterness and division behind me in pursuit of a common goal, you can too!"


by alamedadem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:41:18 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

How will Clinton answer the following questions from the press and McCain?

- How can you back a ticket for President with someone you deem as not having passed the "Commanded-In-Chief" test?

- Do you still believe that Senator Obama plagiarized his speech from Governor Duval?

- Do you still believe that Senator Obama is an elitist that does not understand "hard working White Americans" that cling to their guns and bibles.

- Do you now support Senator Obama's Health Plan?

- As far as you know, is there a reason to believe that Senator Obama is a closet Muslim?

- Do you still think that it will be impossible for "the skies" to "open up, and everyone will get along" after Senator Obama takes the White House?

It's sad to see Hillary have worked herself from what could have been a great ticket. It is impossible.

I would bet that 90% of the petition signers are HRC supporters trying to remain relevant.

No worries, his selection will make your camp happy but it will not be HRC. Face it. It was her own choice.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:45:43 PM EST

don't underestimate Clinton's ability (none / 0)

to cut the press off at the knees.  HRC is smart, very smart, and skilled with the media.  Even if they are not on the same ticket, both will deal with this effectively.  SEriously, you do not want to have HRC against you in a general election. I am sure Obama and McSame know that.


by 4justice on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:49:15 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Wow, so many grudges for a supporter of the post-partisan/unity candidate.  Your guy's likely to win, get over it.  McCain will have enough to deal with it, defending Bush's economic record, 100 more years in Iraq, and the Keating Five.  Besides, when the last time a presidential nominee succesfully made the other side's VP candidate the #1 issue - Dukakis?  Kerry?  If Obama picks Clinton and McCain spends his time attacking her, Obama can start measuring for curtains in the Oval Office.


by alamedadem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:56:16 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Also, these are "issues" a week-long "getting to know each other" bus trip together would make go away.


by alamedadem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:57:57 PM EST
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Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

I wouldn't worry about that, all those questions can be answered, just as McCain will answer every question that comes from the republican debates?

This isn't something the press will harp on. Besides all those questions would still exist whether she is the candidate or not.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:13:41 PM EST
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Question for Clinton Supporters (none / 0)

So here's a question for Clinton supporters, would her as the VP make you more likely to support an Obama/Clinton ticket? Does her presence on the ticket ally some fears you have about a President Obama or his likelihood of winning in November? Would her blessing, endorsement, and campaigning on his behalf be just as good as her being named VP or not enough?


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by Obama Independent on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:58:00 PM EST

Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

Not interested.

But I'll accept whatever Obama decides is best for chances in November.


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by Kobi on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:04:44 PM EST

no Obama on the ticket! (none / 0)

he has to go


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by engels on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:07:12 PM EST

Re: Draft Obama/Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Yes it makes me more likely to support the ticket. Her presence on the ticket unites two powerful forces, and gives us a ticket that would, in my estimation, be unstoppable in November. Her being on the ticket is much more powerful than an endorsement of the ticket, because it unifies the party. Her mere endorsement would have some unifying effect, but it would not be nearly as powerful as a presence on the ticket. I hope this answers your questions.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:38:44 PM EST


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