MyDD :: SNL Clobbers Hillary !!

by Al Rodgers on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:51:25 AM EST
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Re: And she's HAWT !! (2.00 / 1)

INCREDIBLY HAWT!!!

BEYOND TOTALLY HAWT!!!

Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.

by Walt Starr on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:07:45 AM EST
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Re: She's still writing for SNL n/t (2.00 / 1)

But she didn't write that skit. I thought that Obama supporters were opposed to guilt by association.

In any case, whoever did write that skit did Obama no favors in the end. Portraying the candidates who run against Obama and their supporters as racists will only alienate voters against him in the GE.

Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings

by Inky on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:48:55 AM EST
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Re: She's still writing for SNL n/t (none / 0)

I know that Tina Fey did not write that skit because I know that Tina Fey is still a Hilary supporter. Unless you have information to prove that she had a last-minute conversion in the past 48 hours and wrote that lame skit to celebrate it, you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about.

Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings

by Inky on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:10:23 AM EST
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A comedian can flip (2.00 / 1)

even easier than a superdelegate :^)

by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:19:08 AM EST
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Re: She's still writing for SNL n/t (2.00 / 1)

recent examples like McGovern? i mean she worked on his campaign, why would he turn if it was not truly hopeless. Plus the dog whistle by Diane F.stein

by gnosis on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:35:19 AM EST
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Re: She's still writing for SNL n/t (2.00 / 0)

Maybe she's a Democrat first and Hillary supporter second and maybe she doesn't like Hillary's argument that Democrats are too racist to vote for the black guy.

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:42:51 AM EST
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Re: She's still writing for SNL n/t (none / 0)

You have your arguments reversed. It's Obama who believes the white are too racist to vote for the black guy -- so much so that he doesn't campaign in certain states.

If Obama ran as an genuine economic populist, he could garner the white work-class vote. But he's not, so he can't. Don't throw your racist BS at me.

Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings

by Inky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:06:21 AM EST
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Typically la la land netrootster (none / 0)

If Tina Fey wrote that, she must of jumped ship!

Does it not occur to you that she is a professional comedy writer and they have to poke fun at various candidates as part of their jobs? Would it surprise you to learn that lawyers sometimes represent clients they dislike and disagree with?

by lombard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:34:39 PM EST
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Re: Typically la la land netrootster (none / 0)

Do any of you have any evidence that Tina Fey wrote the skit? I thought not. From what I understand she has pretty much retired from writing for SNL, althouh she does so occasionally, as when she made her guest appearance on the show.

Talk about half-witted replies.

Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings

by Inky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:02:11 AM EST
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Re: She's still writing for SNL n/t (none / 0)

Neither you nor any of the commenters who have recc'ed your comment know what you are talking about. First off, Tina is essentially retired from writing for SNL (although she wrote her own "bitch is the new black" skit and some others for the show she hosted). Second, she's too good a writer to have penned the lame skit that you are trying to attribute to her. Third, if she had come out against Hillary, there would have been news about it, but she hasn't and there isn't. None of you have an iota of evidence to back up the bogus assertions made in this diary.

I didn't suggest that I know what she believes, although I know some of her beliefs because she does interviews. I'm merely asserting, once again, that she did not write the skit, and that if she had, it would be publicy known by now.

Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings

by Inky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 01:43:34 PM EST
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I was waiting for the Howard Wolfson moment (2.00 / 3)

...the moment a Wolfson clone would drop in and trash SNL and declare them "irrelevant"

by Al Rodgers on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:56:56 AM EST
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So Hillary supporters were for SNL (2.00 / 2)

before you were against SNL.

But I guess that should be expected when the themes and metrics for measuring this race change from day to day among the Clintons and their people.

by John Campanelli on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:40:02 PM EST
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Re: SNL Clobbers Hillary !! (1.66 / 3)

So... college students and recent grads "don't count"? Just like black voters and half the states in the union?

"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."

by schroeder on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:35:28 PM EST
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Most college students and recent grads (none / 0)

have better things to do than stay in and watch TV on saturday night. SNL's demographics have always been a much broader base. This is an american institution, not Jackass

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by semiquaver on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:54:04 PM EST
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Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee

lol I wouldn't really call em her champion for the longest time, they were basically favorable to her in 2 skits and then it died.

remember the Paeterus hearing when they were all nice to Obama since he will be the next president :-P

by TruthMatters on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:54:55 AM EST

Re: SNL Clobbers Hillary !! (2.00 / 4)

don't see this as clobbering since it's so outrageously over the top. sore loser - that plays into the MSM meme, although if you listen to her stump speeches it's clear she's far more aggressive in bein nice to Obama and pledging to support him in the GE. Obama's similar appeals have always fallen flat and reinforced his duplicitous personality to me. just saying. sort of like his 'you're nice - enough' comment.

keep harping on the 'my supporters are racist' bit, and the Obama crowd can bet their assess that BO will lose in November. guilt-tripping 50% of the DEM electorate that voted for HRC is NOT going to get them to pull your lever, never.

Oh, don't bother saying 'oh but it's not BO that's saying that - it's the MSM'. Well true but if BO wants to turn it around maybe he should start doing some work to change that particularly slanderous meme. Waiting till that plays out enough for him to win the Nom is going to be toooooo late.

by swissffun on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:20:43 AM EST

you're right - it's really a victory for Hill (2.00 / 8)

I swear you guys are funny.

Losing Iowa was really a victory!

Lending herself $11,400,000 was really a victory!

Losing 12 states in a row was really a victory!

by Al Rodgers on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:36:32 AM EST
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im waiting for weekend update to do the really (1.66 / 3)

skit and focus it on Hillary....

You actually won the states that matter?

Really? Really? I guess when you say that you won the states that matter, you do remember that the last 2 elections that Kerry and Gore won the states that matter right? Really? Really?

You signed a pledge not to participate in Michigan and the rest of the front runners took their names off the ballot there, but you say you "won" that state with no competition so those votes should count for you? Really ? Really?

You say hardworking americans then amend that to say White Americans... so that means the rest of us are lazy but your the stronger candidate for november.... really??

by gnosis on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:41:23 AM EST
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Re: im waiting for weekend update to do the really (2.00 / 2)

You're onto something here: a recurring skit where Timmeh or Chris Matthews or someone else interviews a politician. They ask their tough questions and get completely straight answers.

by deminva on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:11:38 PM EST
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Calm down and take a pill fanatic (none / 0)

Why don't you take up something like gardening instead of being on these sites? The easily outraged should avoid politics.

by lombard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:40:05 PM EST
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Re: SNL Clobbers Hillary !! (2.00 / 5)

It's a two way street...Hillary people cry sexism. Don't play these games.

by gorebeatbush2 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:37:18 AM EST
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Re: SNL Clobbers Hillary !! (2.00 / 4)

There are varieties and shades of racism. It isn't a black and white argument, though that premise makes it easier to handwave one's way out of the accusation. I personally haven't heard anything that would prove that anyone here "was a racist", but I have heard racism of subtle shades from enough campaign surrogates to justify the observation.

Further, I don't doubt that there are plenty of Hillary supporters in WV that support her for legitimate reasons. I also don't doubt that there are plenty that do so because they wouldn't vote for a black man. I don't deny anyone the right to such an opinion, but it IS a racist opinion not matter how it may be chosen to be spun.

No one that matters (in terms of being representative of a campaign) has ever claimed that all Hillary's supporters are racist. That is a straw man perpetuated by the many delightful diehard diaries on this site. By threatening to withhold your support in November based on this straw man, you only validate the SNL sore loser meme.

Finally, if rural voters want to vote Republican in November despite a downward spiraling economy, rising gas prices, non-existent healthcare, and sure incompetence abroad - they're only making their own beds. They are the ones that will fall through the cracks. Those much-despised latte-drinking white collar liberals will probably survive another GOP administration a lot better than they will. And if they do so because, as you allude, someone called them racist, it only adds to this delusion a slightly farcical touch.

It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel

by Sumo Vita on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:16:46 AM EST
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Well True--Ding ding a Winner! (2.00 / 1)

Wow, you get the fact that Obama isn't saying it.

Now repeat after me, what came out of HRC's mouth?

a) hard working white Americans
b) I landed under sniper fire.

See the distinction of what's comes directly out of someone's mouth versus what doesn't?

by Regenman on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:54:47 PM EST
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Re: Well True--Ding ding a Winner! (2.00 / 2)

Don't give her that much credit. It wasn't hard working, white Americans. That would have been fine. The she would just be talking about the hardworking Americans who are white. It was "hard working Americans, white Americans." That construction defines hard working Americans as white Americans.

by The Distillery on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:16:37 PM EST
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Re: Well True--Ding ding a Winner! (none / 0)

yep. and Obama said 'typical white person' inferring we're all racist; Michelle said she was never proud of her country until this year; hmmmmm..... you want to start twisting words, I'd say your candidate's got a lot more sloppy shit than Hillary in terms of mouth control. Let's not even get started on his 58 US States....

by swissffun on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:32:10 PM EST
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See how original I am (2.00 / 3)

hehehehehehehehhe

by Al Rodgers on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:33:39 AM EST

Re: SNL Clobbers Hillary !! (2.00 / 6)

Why are we still arguing...the nomination has been settled. Hillary put up a good fight. She'd be the nominee if she voted against the war resolution or if she had not let Mark Penn run the campaign into the ground. These were the two big flaws I saw in her, and they led me to look at other candidates. I found a great one in Obama, and weighed him against my long love of Hillary. But I determined she has changed a lot from the Hillary I loved in the early 90s, mostly for the worse. I still like her, even if some of her supporters drive me crazy with their Florida/Michigan bullshit. Anyway, Hillary lost. It's over. Get over it!

by gorebeatbush2 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:35:39 AM EST

Re: SNL clobbered Obama! (2.00 / 14)

All we saw were diaries after diaries of "SNL TELLS THE TRUTH!!!!!!! THE MEDIA XPOSED!!!!!!!"

by Bobby Obama on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:40:32 AM EST

its called comedy. (2.00 / 7)

if it offends you, you might want to:

a- drink more alcohol

b- pull your head out of your ass

c- get new friends

d- all of the above

by citizendave on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:41:54 AM EST

Re: its called comedy. (1.50 / 2)

Sorry, but I don't find SNL calling me racist because I support Clinton funny. You have a warped sense of humor.

by soyousay on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:50:37 AM EST
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maybe so, (2.00 / 5)

but a sense of humor none the less.

by citizendave on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:52:17 AM EST
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Re: maybe so, (1.00 / 1)

You think racism accusations are funny?

by soyousay on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:58:27 AM EST
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Listen to clip. the audience (NYC) was laughing. (2.00 / 2)

by Al Rodgers on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:00:56 AM EST
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i think a lot of things are funny (2.00 / 2)

that would probably twist your knickers.

the old lady and the banana peel skit cracks me up every time.......

but enough about me, tell me about you.

by citizendave on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:02:08 AM EST
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Re: maybe so, (2.00 / 1)

It wasn't calling you racist. It was saying that Hillary's "ZOMG White people!" arguments are ludicrous.

John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!

by proseandpromise on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:37:05 PM EST
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Re: its called comedy. (2.00 / 4)

actually what this skit is pointing out is how Hillary's statements the past week seem to be openly courting the racist vote. that does not equate "all her supporters are racist" and more than her asking for the votes of women implies that all her supporters are women.

the problem is that, generally speaking, racists are generally not a demographic to which the Democratic party openly panders. we may have a big tent, but there are still some standards for admission.

by 2501 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:51:16 AM EST
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by 2501 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:51:55 AM EST
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any more, not "and more"

by Becky G on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:52:08 PM EST
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I think she is saying this now for the benefit of WV voters who will like hearing her say that, regardless of what the rest of us think about the remarks. She is always thinking about the next election and the best way to win this particular election big is to say exactly what she said. I don't think it's any more or less that that.

Re: its called comedy. (2.00 / 0)

Clinton is the one who said some of her supporters are racist. SNL is just pointing it out.

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:25:01 AM EST
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When did she say this? Quote please? (2.00 / 2)

She said white people vote for her.

She said she's getting a block of voters he's not getting.

These voters happen to be "downscale" in smaller towns.

All of this is true. But I'm "downscale" and am not a racist. I was for Obama until mid-January. He is not planning on reforming healthcare until "the end of my first term." I can't wait until 2012. Hillary will start on this right out of the gate. First 100 days.

by catfish1 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:47:37 AM EST
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Re: When did she say this? Quote please? (2.00 / 2)

she said, "Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again."

and if you have heard the audio there is absolutely no question that she was listing those as two separate groups. she was very clearly implying "hard working americans [are] white americans."

that is a slap in the face of all non-white Americans, because it is feeding into the racist stereotype of them not working as hard as everyone else. Senator Clinton is a smart woman, and she knows this. She did not do this on accident.

And Obama has said he wants to achieve healthcare reform by the end of his first term. Changing a system as massive as the national healthcare system is not going to happen in 100 days. Even if they brought legislation to a vote the day he was sworn in, it would take years to make all the changes. Hillary started fighting for healthcare reform "on day one" in 1993, and that never got done. Obama isn't setting a less ambitious goal, he is being honest about how long it is going to take.

by 2501 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:17:21 PM EST
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Re: When did she say this? Quote please? (none / 0)

The audio, which was played on pretty much every political show a couple of days ago, is really painful to listen to. You can tell she's having a lot of trouble getting the words out. In my opinion she was trying to equivocate and use 'hard-working' as a euphemism for white, and at the last minute decided to throw caution to the wind and say 'white' anyway.

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by semiquaver on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:05:26 PM EST
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Re: When did she say this? Quote please? (none / 0)

yes that's what it sounded like to me, too--that she was just using the same code-words they have been using, and then either out of desperation or exhaustion, let slip the meaning that was supposed to stay hidden.

by 2501 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:51:03 PM EST
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Re: When did she say this? Quote please? (none / 0)

Unless she's saying that those voters won't vote for him in the GE her comment was irrelevant...

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:37:29 PM EST
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Re: When did she say this? Quote please? (none / 0)

He's saying it will take that long to build a successful coalition to pass health care reform, and he's right.

Hillary would try to ram it down everyone's throats in the first 100 days, and it would be the 1990s all over again. She can't pass it because she pisses everyone off. Look at what happened then. She told Cooper she would "cut him off at the knees" because his plan wouldn't be universal until 1998. She was impatient. Look at where we'd be now if she were willing to compromise then. We would have had universal health care in 1998. Instead, we have a political climate where nobody wants to touch it, and many of whom we would need for a winning coalition oppose it whole heartedly.

Don't base your support on a pipe dream of a losing fighter.

by Zoey on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:53:53 PM EST
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Re: When did she say this? Quote please? (2.00 / 4)

I am a health policy advisor to the Obama campaign. Obama has said he will get to work on national health care his first YEAR in office and that he will have it enacted by the end of his first term. Hillary in contrast said she would have it enacted by the end of her SECOND term and her first year, she will sign the renewal of the Children's State Health insurance program. These were said numerous times in debates over the last year.

Ted Kennedy has already added two staff to the health committee to draft Obama's plan into legislation so that it is ready to be introduced right after the inauguration. This is the only way health care will happen. Quickly after the election, assuming he sweeps more Dems in on his coattails so that the Repubs can't filibuster.

Hillary is all talk, no action on this. Obama is the only one who can and will get it done.

Health care is a human right

by Helenann on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:35:58 PM EST
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Re: When did she say this? Quote please? (none / 0)

Please, please, please, write a diary about this exact topic. There's enough anti-Obama trolls on this board that love to spew opinion with no facts.

can't rec, can't rate, par for the course

by upstate girl on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:43:47 PM EST
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Yes! (none / 0)

I want to hear some knowledgable information on this, if only to quiet architek down some.

My work only gives insurance that's cheap but bad or sufficient but too expensive; there's no middle ground.

I need an alternative government plan like nobody's business.

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:58:51 PM EST
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Re: When did she say this? Quote please? (none / 0)

I would also like to see a diary on this. I think this is an issue where many myths and half truths have been perpetuated by supporters on both sides. Some clarity would be much appreciated.

by Zoey on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:37:51 PM EST
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by MsCasey on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:44:03 AM EST
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SNL didn't say it ... Hillary did! She was, of course, only speaking about her rural and working class white supporters.

by vermontprog on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:58:24 AM EST
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Actually it wasn't SNL that said that hard working white people are racist and, hence, wouldn't vote for a black candidate, it was Senator Clinton.

Well, if they called us sweet and fine Americans, (none / 0)

that wouldn't get many laughs would it?

Stop the silliness, this is what comedy shows do.

by lombard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:43:55 PM EST
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Re: SNL Clobbers Hillary !! (2.00 / 2)

It's more of an attack on Clinton's supporters. That's really not helpful to Obama or SNL for that matter. Calling people racists isn't a plus.

by soyousay on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:49:13 AM EST

you're too sensitive (2.00 / 1)

it was funny.

and it will remain LOL until Howard Wolfson or Terry Mac or Hills herself say otherwise.

by Al Rodgers on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:58:09 AM EST
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by batgirl71 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:57:23 AM EST
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soyousay,

see 2501 above. he/she has the best analysis yet. no one is saying that if you voted for Hillary then you are a racist!

i know many Hillary supporters. they are my friends and family and they voted for Hillary because they thought she was the better candidate. they are not racist.

by vermontprog on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:59:12 AM EST
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I agree with you. Your Clinton supporters are probably not racist, except in the candidate's mind.

What the hell are you saying? (none / 0)

I just want to make sure before I go off on you? Are you saying that Clinton supporters don't feel they are racist but our candidate hopes we are?

by lombard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:46:11 PM EST
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Re: What the hell are you saying? (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton thinks that her supporters, among the white working class will not support Obama. A number of people have said that behind the scenes in arguments to superdelegates her reasoning is that he's black.

Publicly, she leaves it to members of her campaign to say. Ed Rendell is one. Sergio Ben Dixon is another. She has not retracted their statements, nor has she been asked to.

Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.

by Agent77 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:59:13 PM EST
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So, ergo, she must believe they are racist (none / 0)

Voters have more formidable mental barriers to voting for Obama than the color of his skin. Some people think that Obama resembles the type of Democrat that has been rejected by voters too often in the past. Many object to his presidency based on grounds of meritocracy. In their own lives, they believe that nobody who just became a junior executive and has little discernible accomplishments would be pushed ahead of others into the CEO position.

by lombard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:10:06 PM EST
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Re: So, ergo, she must believe they are racist (none / 0)

I have no doubt there are many reasons. But this is what the candidate and her campaign have said.

by Jordache on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:19:00 PM EST
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Ouch! (2.00 / 3)

OK. I am an Obama supporter but I have to admit, that was uncomfortable to watch.

by rf7777 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:55:11 AM EST

I am a Clinton supporter, and I though it was fine (2.00 / 1)

If people can't tolerate equal opportunity political
skewering on a comedy show, then the country truly is going to hell in a hand basket.

I do love good comedy and humor. What I have discovered hanging around lib web sites is that humor is not a liberal strong suit.

by lombard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:50:03 PM EST
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I guess no one accused you of understanding (none / 0)

satirical skit.

Oh yes, repeating the talking heads accusations, and B O is just squeaky clean. lol

by environmentally blue on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:57:52 AM EST

Re: I guess no one accused you of understanding (2.00 / 1)

And when they were showing the media fawning all over B O, and that he should get a pillow, I supposed you thought that was a compliment as well, huh? lol

by environmentally blue on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:58:48 AM EST
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You're right. This was a VICTORY for Hills (2.00 / 2)

talk 'bout satire.

by Al Rodgers on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:59:44 AM EST
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Re: I guess no one accused you of understanding (none / 0)

Oh yes. I'm sure they and all the others Hillary supporter and voters enjoy being called racist for not supporting B O. And that's why Al here thinks this was a slam. Does he think no one else here's the B O camp claims......starting in NH? RIGHT.

by LindaSFNM on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:02:05 AM EST
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you should be laughing (2.00 / 1)

didn't you laugh when you saw Dr Strangelove, "gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"

but if you want to be merely political, you can simply say Hillary is a victim.

by Al Rodgers on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:06:32 AM EST
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Re: I guess no one accused you of understanding (none / 0)

"satirical skit. Oh yes, repeating the talking heads accusations, and B O is just squeaky clean."

that's how i saw it too-although i did not think it was quite a lol skit; more of a slow, sly smile...

by california voter on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:53:57 AM EST
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Brutal, but concise (2.00 / 8)

I don't think this skit necessarally portrays accurately how Clinton is campaigning now, but it does underscore the essential issues at stake very clearly.

There is a fear that Clinton will be a sore loser out there. Certainly on this blog there are a lot of people who might be considered sore losers... look at 1950Democrat's diary from yesterday where he said he'd follow Clinton anywhere but Camp Obama. The media has been reporting on wedge politics so vigorously that some people are now personally invested in the opposing candidate losing instead of their candidate winning. You know, screw policy platforms or the future of the country, that guy must pay.

I know Jerome doesn't want us to talk about it, but exit polling does confirm that race does matter to perhaps 10% of Clinton's voters. This either means that they just really love white people or they do have a problem with black people. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away; it's a legitimate issue that Obama will face in the general election, because racists, indeed, will not likely vote for a black president, even against their economic well-being. I don't think that this reflects significant race-cards being played on the part of either candidate: You don't need to provoke a racist to vote against a black person. They've probably come to that conclusion on their own.

Finally, it is very true that Clinton is viewed by many as having no scruples whatsoever. I have Republican friends who, when I remarked that it was bizarre that she was flipping on the gas tax holiday issue from her 2000 position, welcomed me to their nightmare; even moderate Republicans have believed for over a decade and a half that there is no position that she holds sacred and that she'll sacrifice anything or anyone to win. I still have a hard time believing that she would start self-financing to Mitt Romney levels in pursuit of a 5% chance at the nomination (and that's a generous estimate).

This skit has everything to do with media perception of Hillary Clinton; it remains to be seen how accurate it is.

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:11:39 AM EST

Race matters to me (none / 0)

I began primary season thinking we really needed a person of color in office. For Americans under 40, whites make up less than half the population. In other words, for this age group, for the future, there is no "racial minority."

But he is too inexperienced, unseasoned, and frankly immature for this job.

by catfish1 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:51:41 AM EST
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Re: Race matters to me (none / 0)

Odd then with those character faults that he has run such a successful campaign.

by interestedbystander on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:39:08 PM EST
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Re: Race matters to me (none / 0)

Against prohibitive odds.

Had any of us seen it coming, we could have made GOOD MONEY.

GOOD MONEY.

Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.

by Agent77 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:06:44 PM EST
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Just like Bill in 1992 compared to Bush I (none / 0)

Get back to me on how that turned out.

by Regenman on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:57:36 PM EST
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Re: Race matters to me (none / 0)

Immature?

Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.

by Agent77 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:06:02 PM EST
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Of course. (2.00 / 0)

Don't you remember that time he gave Hillary the finger??/

by kyle in philly on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:26:03 PM EST
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Re: Brutal, but concise (none / 0)

That's the public perception of Hillary that has been following her around since Bill was elected to the governor's office of Arkansas. Most people are not aware of this, but the people of Arkansas despised her. The weird thing was, people knew how badly Bill treated her then, but they hated her in spite of that.

by Zoey on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:00:17 PM EST
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Strange (none / 0)

If she was so hated, why did she win the state via such huge margins? Is it a Kansas/West Virginia thing? Or have people forgotten the hate and are just going for the hometown team?

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:35:00 PM EST
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Re: Strange (none / 0)

I think it's a combination of factors. I think some of the reasons she was hated weren't really valid, other reasons were related to her nontraditional role. Some of the debatably valid reasons have been forgotten. And people are more willing to forgive and back their own against outsiders and newcomers.

by Zoey on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:35:03 PM EST
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Heh, some sensitivity here (2.00 / 5)

Look, analyzing comedy is mostly a waste of time, but the point of the "my supporters are racist" joke wasn't to say that EVERY SINGLE Clinton supporter is a racist who won't vote for a black candidate; it was to point out that, YES, there ARE Clinton supporters who will NOT vote for Obama simply because he is black. That's just a (sad) fact, and it IS funny to (1) mock those racists and (2) tease Clinton for supposedly banking on white-people-who-will-never-support-the- black-guy vote.

Every time a Clinton supporter here gets all outraged that race is discussed, I laugh. They are denying simple truths about racism in America, and that outrage is beyond faux.

The sketch was funny. Good stuff.

by Slim Tyranny on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:24:26 AM EST

Re: Heh, some sensitivity here (none / 0)

I have to give Clinton supporters some credit here. There are people out there making blanket statements about Clinton supporters being racist. There are a lot of people saying everyone at MyDD is racist. Heck, there are even people saying that MyDD itself is racist. It's no wonder the people here are sensitive about the racist meme. If I happened to think the white candidate was better, and people kept calling me a racist for that, I'd be sensitive every time the race issue came up too. As an Obama supporter, I feel sorry for the nonracist Clinton supporters on this issue. But at the same time, I wish more of the Clinton supporters would recognize that the Clintons have been openly courting the racist vote in West Virginia.

by Zoey on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:05:47 PM EST
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Not funny (2.00 / 2)

I didn't think it was that funny. I didn't think the skits trashing Obama were that funny either. Tina Fey's 'bitch is the new black' was pretty funny though and Chris Rock's take on Clinton Obama was funny but they have talent. SNL hasn't been that funny for a long time.

by hankg on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:24:51 AM EST

Don't mind if I do: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/11/ 6490/23273/998/513606

by Bob Sackamento on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:46:08 AM EST

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

That is too funny.

by Blue Neponset on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:51:09 AM EST

Re: SNL Clobbers Hillary !! (2.00 / 2)

I think that Hillary said it best, white, hard working white americans are her core supporters, and yes there was something hidden in there, but I can't say or I will get thrown off of MyDD. No matter what she meant she made a big mistake in thinking that hard core yellow dog democrats as myself would find what she said not offensive. The truth is that Hillary's supporters are not yellow dog democrats who vote democrat no matter who is running, but are democrats who democrats can't depend on no matter how hard democrats try to win them over. These Reagan democrats she says will vote for her in November are the same ones that voted for Bush two times, and will more than likely vote for McCain even if she was to be the nominee. Obama's supporters are yellow dog democrats, and AAs and white workers (college and non-college voters), and independents, and young voters who are more involved in politics than ever before.

by Spanky on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:01:08 AM EST

To be honest (none / 0)

they'll likely turn on her in the General once McCain runs his "vote for Hillary and you'll all be killed" campaign.

The Democratic Party doesn't live or die with the Clintons

by nrafter530 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:12:14 PM EST
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by username4 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:20:07 AM EST

It had the potential to be funny, but the delivery was poor and drawn-out. It made me smile, but wasn't worth a LOL.

Trusted, but gagged.