Bill Clinton: Ginning up the resentments (UPDATED)

Bill Clinton is making a barnstorming tour through WV. Stoking resentment in an effort to undermine Barack Obama as our presumptive nominee.

Jack Tapper notes:

He's using the kind of language Democrats typically use against Republicans -- as in, stuff you say when you don't want voters to vote for the other guy under any circumstance.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/05/bill-clintons-m.html

Here are some extended quotes from the man himself:

"It is very interesting, from the very beginning of this race there has been a sharp divide in the vote -- the people who need a president, who need to turn the economy around, who need to restore the middle class, who need to give poor people a chance to work their way into the middle class, who need to give our children a better future, who need to restore our standing in the world and the war in Iraq, but do it in a way that rebuilds our military and stands up for America's security and standing around the world -- they have been for her from the get-go."

Let's put to rest the notion that the Clinton's haven't been stoking the class resentment that is reflected in exit polls. Clearly Bill & Hill have been trying to play up this idea among lower-income whites for sometime, and then brazenly use the very resentment they've created as a reason to doubt his electability.

We can only hope that once the nomination is wrapped up and Bill & Hillary start supporting our nominee (instead of trying desperately to undermine him), they'll be able to backpedal a bit and walk some of these people back with them. Jack Tapper has his doubts:

Ginning up the resentments and the class divide (and maybe other divisions). ... His message to these voters: Obama and the media are laughing at you and think you're stupid!!! Obama has a clear problem with white working class voters. This kind of rhetoric exacerbates it. Clinton knows that -- he's trying to drive up turnout to maximize his wife's popular vote argument to superdelegates.

[UPDATED] A comment to the people who have wondered why this is upsetting, it's because:

He's saying that I, as an Obama supporter, don't care about Iraq, or the economy, or strengthening the middle class, or helping the poor and under privileged, making sure people have access to education and healthcare... he's saying I'm not a Democrat because I supported the guy that is beating his wife.

And I do take offense to that... I'm sorry you don't, because it insults all of us. It insults our intelligence to try to pit us against each other the way he did here:

"Hillary is in this race because of people like you and places like this and no matter what they say," Clinton said. "And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you're as smart as they are. She thinks you've got as much right to have your say as anybody else."

And it insults us as Democrats to suggest that we aren't united in caring about the poor, working and the middle classes.

I'm upset that a man I had a great deal of respect for, that I defended during his darkest hours. Has now taken to belittling and marginalizing me because I didn't vote the way he wanted. Maybe he didn't insult you because you supported the "right" person, but he insulted the more than half of the Democratic party who didn't, and that should offend all of us.



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Somebody needs to tell Bill (2.00 / 1)

He's making his wife look bad.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:37:30 PM EST

Re: Somebody needs to tell Bill (2.00 / 1)


 He wants to improve the lives of every American... I`m aghast.
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:12:32 PM EST
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Re: Somebody needs to tell Bill (none / 0)

He wants to undermine our nominee at any cost. Barack Obama doesn't claim he's the only Democrat looking out for all Americans, and yet Bill claims Hillary is. It's insulting to all of us, and it hurts the party.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:17:49 PM EST
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Hillary's Premium Cap will make a HUGE difference (none / 0)

to low and middle income people in terms of their health. It will make healthcare almost free for the very poor. It will be almost completely subsidized - cheaper than it has ever been.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/us/pol itics/28clinton.html

Obama doesn't offer that, and so many people will still be unable to afford healthcare. Healthcare costs can take everything someone owns faster than anything else.

See http://www.aflcio.org/issues/healthcare/ survey

Obama's campaign needs to stop trying to lie about that.

So in that sense, Bill Clinton is RIGHT.


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:53:06 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's Premium Cap will make a HUGE differe (none / 0)

it's just BIZARRE to me how few people actually realize there IS a healthcare system with mandates, in the state of Massachusetts, and it has been a flaming failure.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:57:23 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton: Still Burning the House Down (none / 0)

Tatan.

Why is there so much HATE in TEAM Obama?

Don't you love those of us who voted for Hilalry?

Will you understand when we return your venom?


by DTaylor on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:41:06 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton: Still Burning the House Down (2.00 / 3)

I don't hate anyone. I'm just hurt that a man I admired so much is now using republican talking points against a fellow democrat.

Voting for Hillary doesn't mean you can't think that what Bill Clinton is doing is wrong.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:43:32 PM EST
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Lets look at what you say Bill Clinton said.. (none / 0)

So, you started this out with this - which makes sense..

"It is very interesting, from the very beginning of this race there has been a sharp divide in the vote -- the people who need a president, who need to turn the economy around, who need to restore the middle class, who need to give poor people a chance to work their way into the middle class, who need to give our children a better future, who need to restore our standing in the world and the war in Iraq, but do it in a way that rebuilds our military and stands up for America's security and standing around the world -- they have been for her from the get-go."

And then you turn this diary into a TIRADE against Hillary and Bill Clinton, who was a far better president..than our current one, by all accounts..

Why do you do this? Its wrong.


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:57:25 PM EST
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Re: Lets look at what you say Bill Clinton said.. (none / 0)

As I noted in my update... it's because:

He's saying that I, as an Obama supporter, don't care about Iraq, or the economy, or strengthening the middle class, or helping the poor and under privileged, making sure people have access to education and healthcare... he's saying I'm not a Democrat because I supported the guy that is beating his wife.

And I do take offense to that... I'm sorry you don't, because it insults all of us. It insults our intelligence to try to pit us against each other the way he did here:

"Hillary is in this race because of people like you and places like this and no matter what they say," Clinton said. "And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you're as smart as they are. She thinks you've got as much right to have your say as anybody else."

And it insults us as Democrats to suggest that we aren't united in caring about the poor, working and the middle classes.

I'm upset that a man I had a great deal of respect for, that I defended during his darkest hours. Has now taken to belittling and marginalizing me because I didn't vote the way he wanted. Maybe he didn't insult you because you supported the "right" person, but he insulted the more than half of the Democratic party who didn't, and that should offend all of us.


by Tatan on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:12:41 AM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton: Still Burning the House Down (2.00 / 2)

So, you're condoning the Clintons doing this?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:50:47 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton: Still Burning the House Down (2.00 / 2)

Huh?  I don't see where you're getting that from this diary.  It's certainly not positive toward the Clintons, but it's not hateful.  If this is what you define as hate, you probably need to be a little less sensitive.

What I do see, however, is Bill Clinton telling me that I don't "need" a president and insinuating that I don't care about this country because I (proudly) support Barack Obama.  What I see is Bill Clinton telling people in small-town West Virginia that Democrats who don't vote for the Clintons aren't really on board with progressive values and don't want to improve the lives of people in rural areas.

Please join me in demanding that Bill Clinton apologize for insulting Barack Obama's supporters.  We're going to need to stand united in order to win in the fall, and this kind of talk is in no way helpful toward that cause.


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by mistersite on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:56:38 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton: Still Burning the House Down (none / 0)

Have you not read any of the posts that denigrate the voters of WV and KY?  Inbreeding?  Low IQ?  It sounds to me that Bill is telling them what he has been reading on Daily Kos and other "progressive" sites who talk and laugh about "downscale" voters, and how uneducated and stupid they are.

"ignorant backwater racist Appalachian white trash..."

That was just yesterday.  So tell me how he is being divisive?  He's telling them the truth.  Obama's fans are too good for blue collar workers without college degrees.  And please don't pretend you haven't seen this stuff!


by not buying it on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:34:36 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton: Still Burning the House Down (none / 0)

Telling the truth?  It's the truth that everyone who "needs a president" voted for the Clintons?  It's the truth that people who vote for Obama must not need a good economy, must not have financial concerns, must not care about getting out of the war?

Are you telling me that I'm lying when I say I voted for Obama because I need a strong president who will fix our economy, get us out of Iraq, and open government back up to the people?  That's what you're saying if you believe Bill Clinton was telling the truth.

As for voter denigration, let's not pretend that both candidates don't have people who denigrate the other one's voters.  Head on over to Hillaryis44.com sometime and tell me what they think of African-Americans over there.  It's deplorable there, and it's deplorable when Obama supporters do it, but let's condemn it everywhere and not pretend one candidate's supporters do it more than the other's.

Finally, the parent to my original post was top-level - meaning that he/she either thought the original diary was hate, which requires a pretty sensitive definition of the word "hate," or it was apropos of pretty much nothing.


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by mistersite on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:50:45 PM EST
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This is just my personal opinion (2.00 / 1)

But, I sometimes feel that President Clinton wants to get back into the White House a whole lot more than Senator Clinton (or anyone else for that matter) does.


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by lizardbox on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:51:11 PM EST

I actually agree with that. (none / 0)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:19:32 PM EST
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Obama will never be president (1.16 / 6)

get used to it.  All the pretending that he is already the nominee doesn't make it so and all the hate aimed at the Clintons will not make him a winner in November should the super delegates be stupid enough to overturn the will of the people and give him the nomination.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:53:19 PM EST

Re: Obama will never be president (2.00 / 2)

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I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:54:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama will never be president (2.00 / 2)

Where's the hate here?  The diarist finds Bill Clinton's comments problematic, as should all Democrats.  No matter who you support, this kind of divisive language makes it more difficult to stand united when we need to stop John McCain and his Four-More-Years-Of-Bush agenda.


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by mistersite on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:57:50 PM EST
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Re: Obama will never be president (2.00 / 1)

Thanks Mistersite.

You're right... no hate here (as much as it seems some Hillary supporters would like to find some). Just disappointment in a man I used to admire greatly.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:26:32 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton: Ginning up the resentments (2.00 / 3)

Bill really needs to tune it back. He's great when he's positive and on message about Hillary, but I think he's so emotionally invested in this that he goes too negative. Hillary's had to reign him in too much.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:53:32 PM EST

I really don't get it. (2.00 / 2)

I'm sorry, but I don't see the way to read those quotes and interpret Bill's behavior that involves Team Clinton recognizing that the party is bigger than them and their dreams. What the hell is he thinking - oh, that's right, the democratic party is doomed unless Hillary is the nominee.


by Mobar on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:53:42 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton: Ginning up the resentments (2.00 / 0)

The real problem with Bill doing stuff like this is that it pisses off the Supers and if it should go to the convention Clinton pledged delegates, as well.

The campaign needs to look at CA. If the primary were held today she would loose by 6 points. This is not good.

http://cbs5.com/politics/poll.clinton.ob ama.2.720136.html


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by jsfox on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:03:00 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton: Ginning up the resentments (2.00 / 3)

Funny how there's so much outrage and extended nit-picking over every little thing that comes out of Obama's or Clinton's mouth -- or their surrogates' mouths.  It gets a little like living in the asylum around here in blogworld.

Candidates don't just run.  They run against the other guy.  Even when they're in the same party... IMAGINE THAT!

Obama has a problem with white working class voters, and you think it's untoward for an opponent to exploit that?  Look at is as an opportunity to grow a thicker skin -- you'll need it come this fall.

"Republican talking points" blah blah blah.  If Obama can't stand up under this criticism now he won't be able to later.  Bill Clinton is talking about something real.  You just don't like anyone to bring up the elephant in the living room.  It's scary.  Yes, it is.  It will be Obama's greatest challenge come the general election.  Why hasn't he been able to meet it?  Because of Bill Clinton?  If you think that, you are really missing something about that demographic.  These are the people I grew up with.  They are not looking for "hope" for "inspiration" for "transcendence."  They want some beef in the burger, baby.

But go ahead -- as George Bush taught us years ago, whatever it is... it's Bill Clinton's fault.


by Susan in Oregon on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:11:56 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton: Ginning up the resentments (none / 0)

Obama is standing up to it. Tough getting these kind of attacks from a fellow democrat. He can't fight back hard. But wait till the GE. You'll see.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:18:19 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton: Ginning up the resentments (none / 0)

This is why I think it's unacceptable:

He's saying that I, as an Obama supporter, don't care about Iraq, or the economy, or strengthening the middle class, or helping the poor and under privileged, making sure people have access to education and healthcare... he's saying I'm not a Democrat because I supported the guy that is beating his wife.

And I do take offense to that... I'm sorry you don't, because it insults all of us. It insults our intelligence to try to pit us against each other the way he did here:

"Hillary is in this race because of people like you and places like this and no matter what they say," Clinton said. "And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you're as smart as they are. She thinks you've got as much right to have your say as anybody else."

And it insults us as Democrats to suggest that we aren't united in caring about the poor, working and the middle classes.

I'm upset that a man I had a great deal of respect for, that I defended during his darkest hours. Has now taken to belittling and marginalizing me because I didn't vote the way he wanted. Maybe he didn't insult you because you supported the "right" person, but he insulted the more than half of the Democratic party who didn't, and that should offend all of us.


by Tatan on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:15:31 AM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton: Ginning up the resentments (2.00 / 1)

I think the worst quote from Bill Clinton was this one:

And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you're as smart as they are.

Some of us have been called haters and paranoid for saying over the past three months that Bill and Hillary Clinton would rather rip this party apart than have it torn from their claws by the American people. If the race-baiting is too subtle for you, this quote can't possibly leave any doubt.


I just flipped off President George, I'm going to Disneyland
by alvernon on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:56:33 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton: Ginning up the resentments (2.00 / 1)

I think that quote is right on.  If you are not a Clinton supporter, you have not experienced directly the condescension.  Trust me, it's real.


by Susan in Oregon on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:05:18 PM EST

I'm calling total b.s. on this diary. (none / 0)

There's absolutely NOTHING inflammatory about Bill Clinton's remarks, whatsoever.

This diary is about....abso-freakin'-lutely nothing! This is little but a Hillary-hate diary! I'm truly sick and tired of this type of crap.

When a diarist makes a comment like this:


We can only hope that once the nomination is wrapped up and Bill & Hillary start supporting our nominee (instead of trying desperately to undermine him), they'll be able to backpedal a bit and walk some of these people back with them.

Diarist, last I checked, the nomination was not wrapped up. Last I checked, Barack's gonna' get can of Hillary's whoop-ass in West Virginia and Kentucky in a few days.

Last I checked, the guy has a problem closing the damn deal.

Get it through your head: Obama has won nothing yet. Period.

The emperor has no clothes. The nomination isn't going to be "wrapped up" until the convention. And, there's still a chance it won't be Obama that's doing the "wrapping."

So, Bill, the awesome campaigner that he is, is out on the hustings doing what he does best.

Meanwhile, the Obama folks are doing what they do best: trying to make a story out of n-o-t-h-i-n-g.

Like Bill says: "It's a fairy tale."

Yes, your diary is a freakin' fairy tale!

Get over yourself. Please.

Or, do you want to disaffect every damn Hillary supporter there is? Apparently, that appears to be the objective of some Obama supporters, including this diarist!


by bobswern on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:46:19 PM EST

Re: I'm calling total b.s. on this diary. (none / 0)

Listen, you're starting to sound like Lanny Davis, thinking Hill is doing great with a squeaker in IN & a romp in NC.

If you want to write your little diaries and be in denial about what the state of the race is, go right ahead. Unfortunately, reality will catch up with you eventually, and it's going to sting. I'll try not to rub it in when it does.

If you want to think there is nothing inflammatory about Bill Clinton suggesting the man who is (I hope you'll acknowledge this much) the likely nominee, is only getting votes from people who "don't need a president, who don't care about turning the economy around, who don't care about poor people or the middle class, who don't care about our future or standing in the world"... go right ahead and think that. But there are plenty of other people who think that a Dem shouldn't be attacking another D by calling them out of touch.

He's saying that I, as an Obama supporter, don't care about Iraq, or the economy, or strengthening the middle class, or helping the poor and under privileged, making sure people have access to education and healthcare... he's saying I'm not a Democrat because I supported the guy that is beating his wife.

And I do take offense to that... I'm sorry you don't, because it insults all of us. It insults our intelligence to try to pit us against each other the way he did here:

"Hillary is in this race because of people like you and places like this and no matter what they say," Clinton said. "And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you're as smart as they are. She thinks you've got as much right to have your say as anybody else."

And it insults us as Democrats to suggest that we aren't united in caring about the poor and the working class and the middle class.

I'm upset that a man I had a great deal of respect for, that I defended during his darkest hours. Has now taken to belittling and marginalizing me because I didn't vote the way he wanted. Maybe he didn't insult you because you supported the "right" person, but he insulted the more than half of the Democratic party who didn't, and that should offend all of us.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:59:21 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton: Ginning up the resentments (none / 0)

Everything he says sounds like the truth to me.


by nikkid on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:54:15 AM EST


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