its a vote against EVERY policy and position she has advocated in the last 16 months

no one who said Hillary was right on Healthcare can vote for McCain,
no one who said Hillary was right on Bush Tax cuts can vote for McCain

no its not voting against Hillary, its voting against EVERYTHING Hillary has fought for and believes in, voting for McCain says that McCain is right, and that makes Hillary wrong because she is on the complete opposite side of McCain.

But more importantly, it's a vote against this country.

Wiht the super delegates Obama picked up today combined with teh mathematical realities of delegate apportionment, Hillary Clinton can no longer win the nomination mathematically.

"...we should advocate the superdelegates to vote for Clinton rather than Obama"

Psst. FYI, that's not working out too well. Shockingly enough, some adults don't like it when other adults act like children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09 /clinton-supporters-send-l_n_100979.html

You have to remember that it's the obama's camp which said that the blacks will riot

That's funny, I don't remember that....

Do you really believe what you just wrote?

You have to remember that it's the obama's camp which said that the blacks will riot and the Obamabots will vote for McCain or not vote if the superdelegates chose Clinton instead.

What the heck?  Obama never said that.  And Obama supporters (some of which I will conceed are legitimate assholes just like there are some Clinton supporters who are legit assholes) are not his "camp".  Obama supporters have most certainly NOT said they will vote for McCain.  The most I have heard Obama supporters say is that they will NOT vote for Clinton (leave the president field blank) but I have yet to hear a single Obama supporter say they will vote for McCain at ALL.

What in the heck are you talking about??  That is the most ridiculous screed I've seen in a long time.

"I still remember Donna Brazille stating that 'Latinos and Working Class people does not matter'".

How about either a link for that inflammatory "quote" or an apology to Brazille?

I still remember Donna Brazille stating that "Latinos and Working Class people does not matter".

Hahaha. Nice quote. Not only have you managed to completely misrepresent what Donna Brazille said, but you've also managed to word it so poorly that you come off looking like an idiot. Congrats.

"Obamabots"?

Grow up. And don't use the excuse that some Obama supporters insult people too, since they need to grow up as well.

But you need to grow up.

I dont know many democrats who voted for Obama willing to vote for McCain in case Obama doesnt win. Those numbers attributed to McCain possible voters from the Obama contingent  seemed to come from the independents Obama attracted in the primary.

In Hillary's case, it seems like democrats themselves are thinknig of crossing party lines to vote for McCain in case Hillary loses. Big difference.

In either case, if you are thinking of voting for McCain, you better be ready to back it up with clear reasons on this blog.

Man can one diary be so much full of fail?

Another divisive diary. How many does that make in the last few days? Answer=a lot. Who does that help? Answer=McCain.

Given that universal healthcare and gay rights are the two most important issues for you, I hope when this race is over that you will reconsider Obama if he is the nominee.

While Obama's health care plan may not be exactly what you want, it is much much better than McCain's. McCain wants to separate health care from employment, completely deregulate the industry, and create a "free market" in which individuals can choose to buy or not and insurers can choose to insure or not. Also there has been some rumors that Senator Clinton would be the primary sponsor and creator of the legislation if Obama is elected. Clinton would actually have much more power to shape the legislation the way she wants and will have a dem in the White House to sign it into law.

Gay rights are also very important to me. It is of the utmost importance to me that my sister and her partner and my niece and nephew have all the rights that any other family in the US has and I would not vote for Obama if I did not believe he would fight for this. In fact, he supports a complete repeal of DOMA while McCain voted for DOMA.

I know this election has not truly ended yet for Clinton supporters and I respect that. I understand the anger Clinton supporters must feel because I have felt it as an Obama supporter. We Dems have seem to fallen hard for candidates. I hope we can come together.

So if Clinton arrives at the convention with a majority of pledged delegates, is ahead in the PV, etc., and superdelegates give the nomination to Obama, you'll accept that as a totally legitimate result?

Because if you won't, well, how could you back Clinton's going after this sort of victory?  Think the chances of Obama's winning this way, actually, are probably greater than Clinton's chances of doing the same.

But really, I'm just looking for some consistency and reciprocity.  You'd be totally fine with that?  Wouldn't be a travesty?  What about poached delegates, totally cool?

Because if you would have a problem with all of those things, can you see how insulting it seems to those who supported Obama at this point?  I haven't met a single Obama supporter who wouldn't support Clinton if she emerges as the nominee of the party fair and square.

What makes us flinch are these meta-contests AND the strong suspicion that Clinton supporters would never accept this sort of outcome if it were applied to their candidate (the true dead enders, let's be honest, don't seem to think there is any way Obama can win this thing legitimately).

I still remember Donna Brazille stating that "Latinos and Working Class people does not matter".

Wow.  You are a liar.  I'm not name-calling here -- just stating a fact.

As a 47-year-old gay man, I will never understand how any gay American can support either of the Clintons. They've done nothing for us, and a fair amount against us. And yet we keep kissing their asses and writing checks. Color me mystified.

And BTW, saying that they are better than Bush is no great compliment.

...a vote for the most conservative Supreme Court in living memory.  Has anyone checked up on the relative ages of the justices.  For God's sake Kennedy is old enough to have attended a Cubs World Series!  The conservatives seem to younger and in revoltingly good health.  And McCain has already drafted Ted Olsen (former Solicitor General-you remember him) and Sen Brownback to select the right (emphasis on the Right) justices.

So if you are willing to risk that, well the rest of us will just have to work harder.  If the party survived the Dixiecrats in '48, we can pitch in and try again.

i had enough of Dem's stupidity:

• i sent money to Gore, but none of Democratic Senators supported Gore - the notion when election should be certified by senate in January 2001;
  
• i sent money to Dean but they still managed to nominate the loser Kerry;
  
• Dems was elected in 2006 on premise to stop the war, but they did nothing;
  
• DNC and Dean had 4 years to eliminate caucus fraud and open primaries, to introduce direct voting for nominee and introduce one day national primaries - instead turned to be an idiot Dean prolongated the most anti-democratic nomination process;
  
• i sent money to Hillary and support her for more than year now and Dems still trying to convince me to vote for worst possible candidate.

i had enough: Vote for McCain is the duty as soon as Obama is nominated.
Democrats never learned and they need to be punished. And yes, we will.
There is no amount of anti-logic, propaganda, whining and begging will change that.
And my wallet is closed for those idiots from now on.

Obama supporters dreaming that all Hillary supporters will vote for their Cult Leader.
Not so fast kids: we all heard different estimates from 16% to 22% to 28% and even to half of Hillary supporters will not vote for Obama and will vote for McCain.
Guess what: even if just 10% will switch from Hillary to McCain, it will be more than enough to crash Obama everywhere.
It seems to me that Democratic leadership has no brain to understand simple facts.
Than don't whine in November, losers.