Bob Herbert, Hypocrite

Bob Herbert published another Clinton piece of that kind that has become standard writing for op-ed columnists of the New York Times.  It will be interesting to see how they handle the shock of having to cover him as president.  I will be fair to Mr. Herbert and I will quote him in full:

So there was Hillary Clinton cold-bloodedly asserting to USA Today that she was the candidate favored by "hard-working Americans, white Americans," and that her opponent, Barack Obama, the black candidate, just can't cut it with that crowd.

This is what Hillary actually said, without her words sliced and diced to make her seem like the racist Mr. Herbert later calls her:

Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters -- including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

Clinton's blunt remarks about race came a day after primaries in Indiana and North Carolina dealt symbolic and mathematical blows to her White House ambitions.

So in other words, she is winning more votes among white, blue collar workers than Senator Obama.  Although she doesn't say that the reason he is losing these voters is his race, that is what many Obama partisans such as Mr. Herbert are claiming.

According to Mr. Herbert's article, Hillary's observation about Obama's difficulty with blue-collar workers, a difficulty that has been the topic of articles in the New York Times and the Washington Post, was reminiscent of the GOP's Southern Strategy to win elections by appealing to white racists:

There is, indeed. There was a name for it when the Republicans were using that kind of lousy rhetoric to good effect: it was called the Southern strategy, although it was hardly limited to the South. Now the Clintons, in their desperation to find some way -- any way -- back to the White House, have leapt aboard that sorry train.

He can't win! Don't you understand? He's black! He's black!

The Clintons have been trying to embed that gruesomely destructive message in the brains of white voters and superdelegates for the longest time. It's a grotesque insult to African-Americans, who have given so much support to both Bill and Hillary over the years.

Oddly, Hillary's comment are consistent with something that Mr. Herbert himself wrote in an April 15 article I wrote on a few weeks ago:

He was asked at a fund-raiser in San Francisco about his campaign's experiences in the run-up to next week's Democratic primary in Pennsylvania. One of the main problems, of course, is that he hasn't generated as much support as he'd like among white working-class voters.

There is no mystery here. Except for people who have been hiding in caves or living in denial, it's pretty widely understood that a substantial number of those voters -- in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia and elsewhere -- will not vote for a black candidate for president.

Pennsylvanians themselves will tell you that racial attitudes in some parts of the state are, to be kind, less than enlightened. Gov. Ed Rendell, Hillary Clinton's most powerful advocate in the state, put it bluntly last February: "I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate."

What Mr. Herbert said--and Hillary did not--was that the reason these voters were not supporting was his race!  He went on to argue that Obama's controversial "bitter" comments were a fumbled attempt to avoid stating the obvious:

Senator Obama has spent his campaign trying to dodge the race issue, which in America is like trying to dodge the wind. So when he fielded the question in San Francisco, he didn't say: "A lot of folks are not with me because I'm black -- but I'm trying to make my case and bring as many around as I can."

Instead, he fell back on a tortured response that was demonstrably incorrect. Referring to the long-term economic distress of many working-class voters, Mr. Obama said: "It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or antitrade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

He danced all around the truth. Unless you're Fred Astaire, if your dance steps get too intricate you're bound to make a misstep. This was a big one.

Let me get this straight, Hillary notes that exit polling data indicates that she does better among white, blue-collar, less educated voters, so she is a racist.  Bob Herbert notes that white, blue-collar, less educated voters are not voting for Obama because they are racist.  Mr. Herbert's logic is a perfect of example of what Paul Krugman called "Clinton rules."

As for the rest of Mr. Herbert's article, a re-hashing of the pardon's controversy in 2001, like all things Clinton, the former presidents pardons were investigated by both Congress and a special prosecutor.  Neither uncovered any evidence of any wrong-doing and before you draw any conclusions based on Mr. Herbert's words, at least take the time to read President Clinton's explanation.

I am a loyal Clintonista, but I see where this race is going.  Even if the Michigan and Florida delegations are seated as is, Hillary will not win the nomination.  Under the rules of the Democratic party, she has a legitimate and mathematical chance at becoming the nominee, but there is virtually no chance that is going to happen.  Unless we discover that Senator Obama has ten illegitimate children and likes to beat up old ladies in his spare time, the superdelegates are not going to give the nomination to Hillary when he is leading in pledged delegates and the popular vote.

There are other reasons for her to continue running, not the least of which is the need for her supporters, whom Senator Obama will need in the fall, to believe that Hillary was given a fair chance.  Being driven out of the race by a hostile media and a hail of attacks from Obama's surrogates will only make the task of uniting the party that much more difficult.  Clinton and Obama are separated by less than 1% of the popular vote and less than 5% of pledged delegates.  She is still receiving superdelegate endorsements and only yesterday did Obama finally overtake her in this category.  The most recent Gallup tracking poll has him up by only 5 points.  Most importantly, Obama has yet to deliver that overwhelming victory that would knock her out of the race.  Right now, the argument against her is mathematical and although he is close, he has yet to mathematically seal this up.

Hillary Clinton is not out to destroy the party.  Both she and her top aides have made public statements that make it clear she will not take the race to the convention.  For now, there are plenty of good reasons for her to continue to fight, not least among them is the fact that Obama has yet to win.

As for Mr. Herbert, the question shouldn't be, "Why aren't the Clintons exiting gracefully?"  The question should be, "Why won't the media that hounded Hillary and fawned over Obama allow the Clintons a graceful exit?"



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It's time to start coming together. (2.00 / 6)

Let's bring an end to the divisive comments and outlandish attacks--from both sides.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:24:41 PM EST

Re: It's time to start coming together. (none / 0)

You say this and then mojo rate NewHampster when he makes a ridiculous smear?


by Tatan on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:49:04 PM EST
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Re: It's time to start coming together. (none / 0)

I mojo-rated him because I thought that his comment did not deserve the piling on of HR's.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:52:14 PM EST
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Re: It's time to start coming together. (none / 0)

Really... promoting and disseminating baseless and offensive smears doesn't deserve an HR or at least a TR? You want to say that we should come together and then when someone engages in the most offensive and divisive of acts you think the appropriate response is to encourage it.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:02:00 AM EST
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Re: It's time to start coming together. (none / 0)

I felt that what he wrote was obnoxious and snarky, but that it didn't deserve the piling on of HR's.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:06:46 AM EST
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Re: It's time to start coming together. (none / 0)

And yet you felt it deserved a mojo? (Couldn't a TR to raise the average... or maybe just leaving it alone, be enough?) Doesn't that send exactly the sort of message you claim to be standing against. You're encouraging that very same sort of smear and admonishment you claim to be against... you say it should end on both sides, and in an instance where you had an oppourtunity to walk the talk... you chose instead to embrace the smear.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:10:30 AM EST
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We're going in circles here. (none / 0)

I uprated him, not because I agreed with what he said, but because I didn't like the piling on of HR's.  NewHampster doesn't routinely make wild, baseless charges.  In context, I felt that he was being snarky.

I don't agree with what he said, but I don't agree with how the others responded.  If you choose to interpret my uprate differently, so be it.  I can't control what you think.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:19:44 AM EST
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People who live in glass houses. (none / 0)

Alright, let's look back over your broader ratings history. In the past 30 ratings I see a ton of times you uprated with a 2, divisive insulting remarks from Hillary supporters, and yet all of your 0 and 1's seem to be reserved for Obama supporters... not a single uprate for a comment from an Obama supporter... not a single downrate for a comment from a Hillary supporter.

It seems that while you say in your comments that you want to tone down the divisiveness:

Let's bring an end to the divisive comments and outlandish attacks--from both sides.

Your ratings seem to be meant to only encourage divisive comments and outlandish attacks.

Maybe you should review your own behavior before telling others what they should do.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:49:42 PM EST
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Re: People who live in glass houses. (none / 0)

Sorry, that last sentence was meant to convey the sentiment that if you'd like to stop the divisive comments and outlandish attacks... you should probably start with yourself.

The way I phrased it sound a lot harsher than I meant it to, on second reading.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:53:06 PM EST
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You really need to find a hobby. (none / 0)


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:30:17 PM EST
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Re: Bob Herbert, Hypocrite (none / 0)

Look it was gaffe on Hillary's part so the media will talk about it, that is the nature of the game, but it will die out because the Obama camp won't touch it.  They are going to respect hillary and let her leave on her own accord.


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:42:48 PM EST

A gaffe? Maybe. (2.00 / 3)

But she did not mean what Bob Herbert says she meant.  And his hit piece was hypocritical, certainly not what we need when we are trying to bring the party together.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:48:50 PM EST
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Re: A gaffe? Maybe. (none / 0)

I agree, but that is why she is paying Wolfson all that money, he needs to forcefully come out and defend her rather than doing nothing.

as long as the obama campaign keeps their noise clean on the matter I wouldn't make it an issue


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:56:56 PM EST
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Re: A gaffe? Maybe. (2.00 / 1)

I don't think it's necessary to respond to every single criticism.  The Obama campaign has ignored it, so Hillary has no reason to comment further.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:03:58 AM EST
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Why are you defending what Hillary said (none / 0)

when she hasn't even bothered to?


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:58:18 PM EST

She should have to defend herself. (2.00 / 2)

She didn't say anything wrong.  The point I am making in this diary is that Bob Herbert is a hypocrite.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:09:20 AM EST
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Re: She should have to defend herself. (none / 0)

Of course you defended her racist remarks.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:14:40 AM EST
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Re: She should have to defend herself. (2.00 / 1)

She didn't say anything that Herbert himself didn't say.  So they are both racist?


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:22:31 AM EST
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Re: She should have to defend herself. (none / 0)

Just because you can read English doesn't mean you understand it.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:14:58 AM EST
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Re: She should have to defend herself. (none / 0)

What exactly is the definition of a hypocrite? Someone who says one thing but does another?

Kind of like saying:

Let's bring an end to the divisive comments and outlandish attacks--from both sides.

And then encouraging those very same divisive comments and outlandish attacks when they come from your own side.

I have another word I'd like to illustrate... irony.


by Tatan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:17:53 AM EST
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Get over it. (none / 0)

I've already explained this upthread.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:24:05 AM EST
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Excellent diary. (2.00 / 1)

Not getting any attention, of course, because it doesn't have a "sensational" title. If you'd called it "OMG, HILLARY'S NOT A RACISTS DUDE!" you'd have 200 comments and 50 recs right now. I think the level of discourse around here has been going downhill for awhile. Oh, well... It was a great diary, though. As usual, Obama supporters' (and the MSM's) charges of racism/race-baiting are bullsh*t.

Sadly, they've largely succeeded in painting Bill and Hillary as race-baiters. I'm just waiting for the day they find a way to accuse Chelsea of racism. I'm sure they'll manage to jump that shark sometime between now and June 3.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:04:46 AM EST

I emailed him this morning (none / 0)

and was going to copy the text for you, but I see now that it was never delivered.  I guess his email box exploded with all of the letters from outraged Clinton supporters.

Rarely have I read a more vicious piece on any politician.  Good-bye, Mr. Herbert.  You have just been erased from my world.


by Radiowalla on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:19:28 AM EST

Re: Bob Herbert, Hypocrite (none / 0)

the fourth estate has failed.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:29:20 AM EST

Re: Bob Herbert, Hypocrite (none / 0)

And what would be wrong with taking the race to the convention?  It's been done many times before, by MEN who were much farther behind than Hillary is.

If only she had a penis, then it would be all right for her to stay in the race.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:45:40 AM EST

Re: Bob Herbert, Hypocrite (none / 0)

I think the SD's should make up their minds and declare their intentions right after the June 3rd primaries.  At that point, the winner will be obvious.  Taking to the convention could be a disaster for the party.  At the end of the day, the most important thing is defeating Cranky McSame.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:49:19 AM EST
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Re: Bob Herbert, Hypocrite (none / 0)

Drew, there are still Hillary supporters who are still working their tails off...especially in Oregon. So...I agree the smears need to be called out...and there are so many, it's just about impossible to keep up...but Hillary is still fighting and so are we! (And it's not just for unity...the party, BO and his campaign, and the rampant media bias (not whining, just fact) have made voting for BO an unethical undertaking...if he's the choice...sorry to die hard democrats who disagree...but my party no longer represents my values...thus it cannot be my party.


by susanclare on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:38:44 AM EST

Re: Bob Herbert, Hypocrite (none / 0)

I'm still trying to figure out why it's now racist to point out that Hispanics account for a larger group of voters than African Americans.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:47:54 PM EST


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