NC-Sen: Hagan and Dole Within the Margin of Error

We've known for a long while that Liddy Dole is vulnerable, that it is not certain that she will win a second term in the United States Senate representing North Carolina. In recent months, polling has showed that even as she has held a lead against potential Democratic challengers, including state Senator Kay Hagan (who won her party's nomination this past week), she has been unable to crack the 50 percent mark in named head-to-head polling. And now, Dole can't even claim to hold a lead over Hagan, according to Rasmussen Reports polling:

Dole (R): 47 percent (52 percent in April)
Hagan (D): 48 percent (39 percent in April)

500 NC LVs interviewed May 8, MoE +/- 4.5%

In the course of just one month, Hagan has gained 9 points and Dole has lost 5. One should always take single day polling with a grain of salt -- polling conducted over multiple days tends to be more reliable. What's more, the fact that this polling came directly in the wake of heavy campaigning by Hagan and the positive press that comes with winning a contested primary (the poll was in the field two days after balloting) likely weighed on these results to at least an extent.

Nevertheless, this movement is really remarkable, and it suggests that this race may be on the map come this fall. Hagan will still have to pick up more support if she hopes to succeed in November. In Senate elections in 2002 and 2004, Democrat Erskine Bowles was able to get 45 percent and 47 percent support, respectively, so clearly there is a base for support for Democratic Senate candidates in the state. But the trick is getting from the mid- to upper-40s and up above 50 percent, something no Democrat has been able to do in a Senate election in the state in a decade. For Hagan to be able to do this, she is going to need to significantly eat away at the $3,157,666 to $317,311 cash-on-hand disadvantage she faces (you can help her do that through Act Blue). Yet either way this should be an interesting one to watch, particularly to see if this tie holds.



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Re: NC-Sen: Hagan and Dole Within the Margin of Er (none / 0)

I knew NC was going to be in play for the fall. This is very good news for us.


by sweet potato pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:40:05 PM EST

Re: NC-Sen: Hagan and Dole Within the Margin (none / 0)

That's crazy!  Challengers almost never have leads over incumbents at this point.

Great, great news.  Hagan isn't my favorite challenger this cycle, but I have to admit she ran a very effective primary campaign and this makes it look like she's well-positioned for the general as well.  


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by bosdcla14 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:42:41 PM EST

Woohoo! (none / 0)

Happy to spend a few bucks helping to beat Dole.  She irritates the heck out of me.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:59:36 PM EST

Hagan can win this (none / 0)

"something no Democrat has been able to do in a Senate election in the state in a decade"

That's kind of a ridiculous comment when the only person it applies to is Erskine Bowles. Bowles squandered a 25 point lead over Burr 2004. He barely campaigned and instead relied on an army of newly minted college graduates with little political experience to get his message out.

With the new vitality in the NC Democratic Party this year, Hagan can win this if she is willing to put in the work.


by NCMike on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:02:35 PM EST

Re: Hagan can win this (none / 0)

It's true Bowles wasn't a great campaigner and having Kerry as the Dem. presidential candidate wasn't helpful either (I like Kerry but really it would be tough to find a less appealing candidate for the South)

I fear Hagan won't do 110% - she seemed to coast into the nomination with big money ad buys.  I just hope the top of the ticket this time will fire up the base enough to retire Liddy this time.


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by abburdlen on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:59:34 PM EST
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Great reporting Jonathan. (none / 0)

This is excellent news.  We're on our way to getting a 60-member filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.  We should definitely focus on this race to that end.  Here's to hoping we can make these seats turn blue:

Colorado
Minnesota
North Carolina
Texas
New Hampshire
Oregon
New Mexico
Nebraska
Virginia


by The Distillery on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:18:33 PM EST

You forgot Alaska! (2.00 / 1)

That's at least a tossup right now


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by MILiberal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:55:02 PM EST
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Re: You forgot Alaska! (none / 0)

I knew I forgot one!  I kept thinking they're were ten close races, but I couldn't remember the tenth.  You're right; it looks like the polling is dead even there too!


by The Distillery on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:51:58 PM EST
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Re: You forgot Alaska! (none / 0)

Sorry, there not they're.  I'm really not stupid.  (I swear!)


by The Distillery on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:56:05 PM EST
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Re: Great reporting Jonathan. (none / 0)

Don't forget Alaska.  We have to place Ted "Toobez" Stevens too!!


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:39:05 PM EST
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Re: NC-Sen: Hagan and Dole (none / 0)

Going to Act Blue now.  Potentially great news.


by mady on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:23:56 PM EST

Time to go home and get Bob some Viagra, Lizzy (none / 0)

This is good stuff, and I think the primaries have really helped out with this. It got more people to the ballot for the Democratic Senatorial primary there, that's for sure. And now look what we have--a dead heat with the Senior Senator from NC. Awesome.


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by zcflint05 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:52:07 PM EST

I cannot wait to see Liddy go back to Kansas (2.00 / 1)

or D.C. or wherever the hell she comes from.

She has been an albatross around the necks of North Carolina citizens, who rightly should be represented by SOMEONE from North Carolina!

Liddy, by buying her Mothers' home in NC and registering to vote at that address does not make her a Carolinian.  It makes her a carpetbagging bag.

Kudos to Kay Hagan!

If you have the means, please stop by
www.kayhagan.com and give a little love to a candidate that can send Liddy Dole home to Bob.  Wherever the hell he lives...


by funluvn1 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:17:26 PM EST

Re: NC-Sen: Hagan and Dole Within the Margin of Er (none / 0)

Where did you find this poll?  I looked all over Rasmussen's site and couldn't find it.  Is he hiding it?


by umcpgreg on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:31:16 PM EST

Re: NC-Sen: Hagan and Dole Within the Margin of Er (none / 0)

You have to do a search for it on the site. Type in North Carolina.

Edwards won merely a plurarity in his 1998 election versus Lauch Faircloth, so Hagan does have her work cut out for her if she wants a majority.


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by Zeitgeist9000 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:59:25 PM EST
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Top of the Ticket Help (none / 0)

Which Democratic presidential contender is most likely to help us get over the top in this tough race?  All polls show Obama running stronger in NC general election than Clinton.


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by soccerandpolitics on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:51:06 PM EST

NC-Sen: Hagan and Dole (none / 0)

Back in 2002 I supported Sec. of State Elaine Marshall for DEM Senate over Erskine Bowles. The thinking was then - and still is now - that a female would do better than any male against Dole. Had Elaine won the nomination in 2002 I believe she would have won the race. Marshall is very popular having beat NASCAR legend Richard Petty in 1996 and was the top vote getter in the state in 2000 & 2004 and likely will be again statewide in 2008.

This is not an opine about Ms. Marshall but rather whether or not Sen. Kay Hagan can beat Sen. Dole of course. The answer is probably yes although two large factors work against her. A) Dole is now the incumbent and as with any incumbent not in a scandal usually wins. B) Dems have done poorly with US Senate seats in NC in Presidential years. The last time a Dem won a US Senate seat in NC was in 1968 with Sam Ervin. Of course this is not 1968 and Sam Ervin been dead for 20 years.

Part of the reason I decided to support Obama (after Edwards dropped out) was that he has the potential to run well in NC and better than Hillary Clinton. While Bill ran well in 1992 and 1996 and came real close in those years - polling and general consensus has indicated that Hillary would be a drag on Democratic candidates outside of the states she would be expected to do well in. NC, with a still vibrant strong and progressive Democratic party for a southern state, there would be a large gap between the Presidential vote and everyone else. Although, ironically, having Hillary-Kay Hagan-Bev Perdue in the top 3 slots would be unprecedented...

Take one look at the county break down in NC between Obama and Clinton. While Clinton did well in the mostly white smaller more rural counties especially out west the real deal is in the top 10 counties by population. Obama won Mecklenburg (Charlotte) 70-29. Wake (Raleigh) 65-35. Having 2 women and 1 Obama on the ticket plus the off chance Gov. Kaine of nearby VA will bring out a lot of votes. While Obama might not carry NC in Nov. it will drive votes for all the downballot candidates. Remember Dems hold the Gov. Lt. Gov most state council offices, a majority of US House seats (and a good chance to pick up at least one more), both state legislative chambers, and a majority of county commissoners around the state.  

Given this enviornment above it is likely that Hagan could easily get to 47-48% of the vote which Democrats seem to be able to do without question in these races but hopefully with the dynamics of 2008 we can get to 50+1. New people continue to move in, remember 8% of the population is new since 2002 - there will be hoardes of new voters because of the way this election season has gone - GOP brand is in as poor shape in NC as anywhere else - Local Dems are strong - Dole while personally popular has not done much and after chairing the NSCC in 2006 stains her resume. It won't be easy but the tools are there.


by southerndemnut on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:33:31 PM EST

Re: NC-Sen: Hagan and Dole Within the Margin of Er (none / 0)

Great news. There's two votes in this household for Hagen over Dole.


by tysonpublic on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:46:28 AM EST

Edwards beat Faircloth with 51% of the vote (none / 0)

Zeitgeist9000, I believe that you are mistaken.  Edwards won a majority (51%) of the vote against Faircloth.


by rainmaker11 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:48:19 AM EST


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