Running Headlong Into a Minefield

They're coming guys - the same swift-boaters who took down John Kerry 4 years ago.  They're already organized and raising millions.  Are we ready to take what they're gonna dish out?    

Love her or not, you know Hillary's been investigated nine ways to Sunday for decades and nothing sticks.  Nothing.  Will Obama be able to say the same thing?

Those 527s are putting together a game-plan for taking BO out if he's our nominee.  Some of you might have caught an article in the Boston Globe on Sunday, in which Scott Helman lays it all out for us...

'Soft money' battle brewing - Millions raised; attack ads set

The new GOP group is still in embryonic form, Republicans strategists say, but it is being led by operatives who ran the 2004 Republican group Progress for America, and will probably be funded at least partly by "alumni" of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that used TV ads four years ago to challenge Kerry's well-documented heroism in Vietnam.

One Republican strategist familiar with the plans said Republicans expect Senator Barack Obama, who leads rival Hillary Clinton in the Democratic race, to be their opponent and have begun assembling material to turn voters against him.

"They're beginning to put the book together on Obama," said the strategist, who discussed the effort on condition of anonymity.

Back in 2004, soft-money groups on both sides of the ideological divide raised a boatload of money - some $424 million (Campaign Finance Institute).  They've gained some traction as their email lists have grown since then guys - when you compare the years leading up to presidential election cycles, 527s raised $13 million more last year than they did in 2003. The economy may be in rotten shape, but somebody's finding all those millions to donate to the soft-money groups.  

On the Republican side, strategists say that the offspring of Progress for America, whatever form it takes, will probably be a major player. In 2004, the group raised $45 million to help Bush and attack Kerry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance activity.
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Progress for America was run by executives of a Washington-based consulting firm called DCI Group, which has close ties to Karl Rove, Bush's longtime political strategist. The chairman and founding partner of DCI Group, Tom Synhorst, is helping lead the new third-party effort this year, according to GOP strategists familiar with the plans.

One of Progress for America's biggest donors was T. Boone Pickens, a Texas oilman who gave it $2.5 million and who also gave $3 million to the Swift Boat group. Pickens will be part of the new effort, the strategists said.

Another new conservative group active this year is Freedom's Watch, a nonprofit created to be a Republican answer to MoveOn.org. It reportedly aims to raise as much as $250 million

Helman goes on to remind us that - despite the hefty fines handed out by the FEC, they won't be all that effective in policing the 527s this year with only 2 Commissioners in place on that 6-member panel.  Something tells me they'll be able to play fast and loose with the rules, AND the truth and will likely be fearless in attacking Obama if he's nominated.

Now some of you may point out that those 527s will go after Hillary too but let's be honest here guys... Hillary's got to be the most vetted presidential candidate ever.  After decades of investigations and witch hunts they came up with zip, zilch, nada - nothin'.  She's been through hell and she's still standing strong.  No more surprises - nothing for those 527s to latch on to that will shock and amaze voters come the general election.

We can't really say that about Obama - can we?

WHICH brings me to an op ed by Lanny Davis in today's Wall Street Journal.  Now I won't go into everything Wright said from the pulpit.  No need to cover ground we're all familiar with. But Davis raises some valid points here guys.  He may be a supporter of Hillary's but his words are worth reading and discussing here.  This has got to be addressed before those 527s get their hands on all this - we can't afford to send up someone who'll be swift-boated into political oblivion in the general election.  Take a look...

Obama's Minister Problem

I have tried to get over my unease surrounding Barack Obama's response to the sermons and writings of his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. But the unanswered questions remain.

Clearly Mr. Obama does not share the extremist views of Rev. Wright. He is a tolerant and honorable person. But that is not the issue. The questions remain: Why did he stay a member of the congregation? Why didn't he speak up earlier? And why did he reward Rev. Wright with a campaign position even after knowing of his comments?

Davis does point to something we need to address and that's Obama's comparison of Wright to a beloved family member - and that he can't disown either.  Davis isn't buying that - not one bit and neither am I.  Ya know what?  Those independents we're going to need to win over in the general election won't buy it either.

Mr. Obama made a choice to join the church and to ask Rev. Wright to marry him and his bride. He said for the first time a few weeks ago that had Rev. Wright not recently resigned as pastor of the church, he would have withdrawn. But that only reraised the same questions: Why didn't he act before the resignation?

Furthermore, after knowing about some of these sermons and having serious problems with some of their messages, why did Mr. Obama still decide to appoint Rev. Wright to his official presidential campaign religious advisory committee?

Some have suggested that any Clinton supporters who continue to raise this issue are "playing the race card" or taking the "low" road.

When I said on CNN recently that concerns about the Wright-Obama issue were "appropriate" to continue to be discussed, my friend Joe Klein of Time Magazine said, "Lanny, Lanny, you're spreading the poison right now" and that an "honorable person" would "stay away from this stuff."

Attacking the motives of those who feel this discomfort about Senator Obama's response or nonresponse to Reverend Wright's comments is not just unfair and wrong. It also misses the important electoral point about winning the general election in November: This issue is not going away. If many loyal, progressive Democrats remain troubled by this issue, then there must be even more unease among key swing voters - soft "Reagan Democrats," independents and moderate Republicans - who will decide the 2008 election.

One thing is for sure: If Mr. Obama doesn't show a willingness to try to answer all the questions now, John McCain and the Republican attack machine will not waste a minute pressuring him to do so if he is the Democratic Party's choice in the fall.

But by then, it may be too late.

So - do we figure this out now or do we ignore that two-ton elephant in the room and hope like hell all those 527s ignore it too come the general?

Now we all know Obama's got an uphill battle in winning over the voters in PA - especially after the whole Wright controversy hit the national scene.  First he pretends that he's going to take a pass on Pennsylvania, and then turns around and buys unprecedented ad time all around the state.  So far he's spent $6.5 million on advertising - $2.3 million this week alone (compared to $2.5 million overall / $1 million this week by Hillary).  He's also just wrapped up a 6-day bus tour through the state -  putting his bowling skills on display to try to connect with Pennsylvania's voters - and yet we're seeing polls in PA that show Hillary up by 18 points.  After all the money and all that time he's struggling to pull even in the state .  Let's face it - the road to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. goes through the Keystone State and if you struggle this badly to win Democratic voters over in this state then how are you going to win over those Independents people keep talking about?

Democrats will choose a candidate in the primaries based on the issues - like jobs, the economy and healthcare.  That's what motivates us after all.  That's why Hillary's doing so well with the voters in Pennsylvania.

But make no mistake about this guys - the goopers have shown us time and time again that they play by a different set of rules in the general election. If you bet against them going dirty and playing mean in the general you'll lose.

The question the Super Delegates need to ask themselves in choosing a candidate is this - how sure are you that hope will trump hate this year?  Time and time again we've seen candidates say they're break from the past.  The start of a new day here in Washington.  But at the end of the day they get their ass handed to them by the voters and we get stuck with 4 years of some anti-choice, government-gutting, crony-driven gooper in the white house.

A friend of mine has a clever way of reminding us of all the nice guys who were clobbered by the goopers guys - McMonDukakaKerry.  See if you can figure out how that breaks down.  Add to that the pile of problems and the thin resume Obama brings to the table, and I think you know as well as anyone how this story will end.

UPDATE

eRiposte reference deleted.



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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 11)

We have GOT to sort this out before the goopers get hold of this.  Answers - we need answers.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:08:53 PM EST

Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 5)

And all the advertising dollars in the world aren't going to help Obama.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:12:23 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 5)

Sure hope you're right! But just in case - we need to send Hillary some love...

DONATE NOW!

Thanks!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:14:47 PM EST
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Why would you hope he's right (2.00 / 1)

That, "no amount of advertising dollars," could help Obama against attacks from the Republicans? There's a very good chance he will be the Dem nominee, and if no amount of advertising can clear him against unfounded attacks then that means you, "sure hope," a Republican will be taking office in January.


by TheSilverMonkey on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:28:32 PM EST
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Re: Why would you hope he's right (2.00 / 4)

It means we're going to be "hopeless" in November if Obama is our nominee, because there's not enough money on the planet to save him from the onslaught.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:37:30 PM EST
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Re: Why would you hope he's right (2.00 / 2)

It does not explain why Alegre would hope you are correct. Moreover I'd hope you would all come around behind the Democratic party if your particular candidate is not elected, and hope for him to win. If you think a 72 year old, crotchety, economnically inept warmonger is a surefire win in November, then I don't know how to make you hopeful.


by TheSilverMonkey on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:43:08 PM EST
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Re: Why would you hope he's right (2.00 / 2)

To the contrary.  The issue is when your candidate fails to obtain the nomination, will you support Hillary? No one in their right mind would support McCain.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:52:35 PM EST
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Re: Why would you hope he's right (2.00 / 2)

Well, at least you've got confidence. Yeesh. I'll know better next time not to try and involve myself in, you know, a real conversation with you.


by TheSilverMonkey on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:21:19 PM EST
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Re: Obama Will Not Get My Vote in November (none / 0)

Barack Obama is seeking to disenfranchise voters in Florida and Michigan in order to secure the nomination of the Democratic Party.

If those delegates do not count toward determining our nominee, then if Obama is the nominee, he will not be a legitimate nominee.

I cannot believe ANY Democrat would collude in this. It is unthinkable; it is unconscionable. Any nominee who would do such a thing is no Democrat, in my view. They are a Republican; therefore, that candidate will not get my vote in November.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:22:33 AM EST
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Re: Obama Will Not Get My Vote in November (none / 0)

You do hammer on this issue, don't you?

I disagree with your premise--Obama isn't seeking to disenfranchise anyone. I think the worst he can be legitimately accused of is not pushing for a resolution to a problem OTHER PEOPLE CREATED.

But as for the legitimacy of the nomination, answer me this: if Obama were to win the nomination by a large enough margin that he would still win even if FL and MI were seated as-is, would you support him as our legitimate nominee?

How about if he won the nomination by a slightly smaller margin, enough so that if FL was seated as-is and the "undeclared" vote in MI was counted for Obama, he would win? Would you support him as the legitimate nominee then?


by kydoc on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:25:12 PM EST
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Re: Why would you hope he's right (2.00 / 2)

I thought you meant in PA.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:52:34 PM EST
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Re: Why would you hope he's right (none / 0)

Fair enough, Alegre, though I personally don't think it's a good thing in any event if a candidate can't clear his or her name in the wake of baseless attacks.


by TheSilverMonkey on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:22:49 PM EST
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Re: Why would you hope he's right (2.00 / 3)

Let me know when he actually starts answering the questions that folks have been asking for weeks.

He sat in the pews for 20 years while Wright preached.  Disinvited the guy to his big announcement and put him on the campaign as an advisor on faith issues.  That's just the tip of the iceberg.

BTW - if you think he's using those millions of dollars in PA to clear his name think again.  Newest ad will go after Hillary on Bosnia.  Not clearing his name - not even talking about the issues.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:47:59 PM EST
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Re: Why would you hope he's right (2.00 / 1)

what do you want him to tell you about why he sat in the church for 20 years....he said he didn't hear 'those' words that have been re-cycled again and again.  He totally explained his feelings on Rev Wright.  Why do you keep harping on this non-story.  Right now we've moved on to other issues....if it comes again to haunt him (which it will), then he can handle it then.  
You just don't want to hear what he has to say - so you keep asking him to explain himself.  why don't you explain yourself and why you hate him so much (and try to convince me to vote for Hillary-I will listen).
by mariannie on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:52:00 AM EST
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Re: Why would you hope he's right (none / 0)

what do you want him to tell you about why he sat in the church for 20 years....he said he didn't hear 'those' words that have been re-cycled again and again.  He totally explained his feelings on Rev Wright.  Why do you keep harping on this non-story.  Right now we've moved on to other issues....if it comes again to haunt him (which it will), then he can handle it then.  
You just don't want to hear what he has to say - so you keep asking him to explain himself.  why don't you explain yourself and why you hate him so much (and try to convince me to vote for Hillary-I will listen).
by mariannie on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:52:04 AM EST
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What do you mean "we?' (2.00 / 4)

As soon as Obama's Big Speech was finished, his supporters announced the controversy was over.

But many questions remain unanswered.  You point out that he claims he didn't hear "those" words.

But he admits to hearing some things that Rev. Wright said.  So what did he hear, and when did he hear it?

Why can't we discuss it now, instead of next October?


by myiq2xu on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:01:55 AM EST
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Re: What do you mean "we?' (2.00 / 1)

So you want Obama to tell you every single controversial thing that he ever heard his pastor say.  What would that prove?

Why don't you tell us about every controversial thing you've ever heard your parents say?  That would be about as productive.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 07:00:43 AM EST
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Re: What do you mean "we?' (2.00 / 1)

Why can't we discuss it now, instead of next October?

'Cause nobody's interested except for a few dozen desperate Clinton partisans who are recc'ing each other on MyDD for diaries that say, essentially:
 "That water leaking into the hull is an on-board swimming pool!!!"?

Just a hunch.


Pres '08
Apr 10 Rasmussen McCain (R) 46%, Obama (D) 45%
Pres '08
Apr 10 Rasmussen McCain (R) 48%, Clinton (D) 42%


by BlueinColorado on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:29:42 PM EST
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Actually, I think that is the iceberg (2.00 / 1)

Those who chose to extrapolate Wright's 30 second soundbites into 30 years of non-stop hatespeech are free to do so, but I take it you haven't bothered to listen to one of his entire sermons in context. The man has done and continues to do a lot of good, and occasionally he says some extremely stupid things. How that ties in to Obama is more or less irrelevant. No one even remotely accuses Obama of sharing those beliefs. It's no more an issue than President Clinton inviting Wright to a meeting of spiritual advisors during his time of crisis - and the American people have clearly said so in the polls. The ONLY people still bleating about this are the most extreme Republican talking heads, and Lanny Davis. There's no "answer" he could give to appease those people, even if he sat down and listed off every single night he was in church and tried to summarize every sermon he'd ever heard therein. More importantly, look at the absurdity of what you're asking.
As for the Hillary/Bosnia ad, what exactly are you referring to? So far the only ads I've seen that are new to go up in PA are about Obama's childhood and his mother.
by TheSilverMonkey on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:32:27 AM EST
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Re: Actually, I think that is the iceberg (none / 0)

I grant you that some of Wright's rhetoric sounds much better "in context".  However, general election voters are not going to listen to itthat way.  They will listen to it in 30 second spots on television--and they will see and think the worst.  If the 527's could turn a decorated war hero like Sen. Kerry into a lying, flip-flopping candidate, just imagine for a second what they will do to Obama--who has neither Kerry's military service nor his experience.  Just use you imagination for a second.  It's not pretty is it?  And it will happen.  I guarantee it.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:03:37 PM EST
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Re: Actually, I think that is the iceberg (none / 0)

I'm not concerned. He's addressed the issue and the voters seem fine with it. And McCain is plenty vulnerable in this election.


by TheSilverMonkey on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:12:52 PM EST
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hope he's right (none / 0)

He's spending vast advertising dollars against Hillary, brining up her Sudan gaffe and dissing her experience. The hope is that won't work against Hillary, thus the call to donate to her, not to McCain?  Guess you have to be aware of the advertisement gap in their two PA campaigns.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:59:57 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

The swiftboaters are coming that's great. Senator Obama will have another opportunity to show how great he is and why so many are supporting him.
Fear has just been used to much they will have to try something different. I am not afraid but they should be.
by Politicalslave on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:21:49 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

I AM NOT afraid!


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:30:05 AM EST
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Who needs swiftboaters with Alegre here? (none / 0)

Alegre's daily stream of diaries attacking Obama, the acknowledged future Democratic nominee by the informed, diverts money from the future nominee, creates divisiveness within the party, and amounts to running negative ads against Obama. If the Democrats loose in November Hillary and her supporters will forever be known as the Ralph Nader's of 2008.


by ImpeachBushCheney on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:10:06 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 2)


We have GOT to sort this out before the goopers get hold of this.  Answers - we need answers.

Couldn't agree more. And using you're metric of allowing GOP slime to dictate how we determine our primary:

Will you call on Bill Clinton to make a public guarantee that there will be no issues arising from his conduct over the last eight years?

(was that too subtle for anyone?)

And before the wailing and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments and accusations of trolldom commence: I'm just following Alegre's very reasonable standard.


by BlueinColorado on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:23:48 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

Bury your head in the sand if you like, but the GOP WILL use this against Obama if he's our nominee.  Like it or not - that comes into play here.  It's called reality - get used to it.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:50:03 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

Yes they will. The Republicans play dirty. Not exactly news. Obama parries it better than Clinton.

The delusion is that "Hillary has been vetted", "That's old news", etc. etc.

The victimhood schtick doesn't play as well with independents. It's called reality-- deal with it.


by BlueinColorado on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:56:57 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 2)

REALITY is that McCain is TOAST in the GE.

Both DEMS can and will win. Your "concern" and lack of enthusiasm for both "DREAM" candidates is sickening. It truly is sad that you have not participated in the healing going on in MyDD. We are coming together, and you are trying to divide the majority of MyDD that wants to focus on McCain.

Where are you in the majority of diaries that focus on non-partisan issues, or McCain?

Is your head in the sand? Even when you make a veiled attempt at a non-partisan diary . . . you throw in a HRC is better than Obama line?

Do you even care about the other writers on MyDD?
I rarely see you participate in our community outside your more than 2 diaries a day.

Do you not care that John McCain refuses to co-sponsor our Vet GI BILL - write a diary about that!

Do you find it unimportant that a DEM candidate for Congress was punched in the face today by a GOP official - comment about that!

You have talents, but you need to share them for the good of OUR party - not just the personality of ONE candidate!


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:29:04 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (none / 0)

The Obama campaign has strongly implied that the Clinton's are racists. They pushed the stories claiming that Bill and Hillary have played the race card. They did not. You cannot call people racist and then expect them to hold your hand and support you.

The Obama campaign has also put a stop to a revote. They clearly are not interested in the will of the people from Florida and Michigan.

Many Hillary supporters will sit this election out over principle. Many older voters will not be supporting Obama because of his lite resume. Obama has also lost much of the working-class whites.

Obama will have a very tough task winning the presidency in this Democratic year despite his money advantage. He has given too many weapons to the Republicans to use against him.

I sadly predict that McCain will be our next president. Democrats blew it again. The poor and the disadvantaged will suffer the most because of the anti-democratic tactics of the Obama campaign.


by mmorang on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:39:31 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (none / 0)

NOPE. Both DEMS will be able to defeat McCain easier than Dole. You are forgetting that Bob Barr is going to suck away conservatives like crazy.

Have some confidence . . . or do you relish a McCain Presidency over a DEM?!


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 03:06:10 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

I am not scared.


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:43:52 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

What a cheap shot.

Bill Clinton has had an exceptional post-Presidential career, from his work raising money alongside President Bush (the elder) for Katrina relief to the work of his Clinton Foundation which promotes and provides for a number of humanitarian causes.

Within the foundation, the Clinton Foundation HIV and AIDS Initiative (CHAI) makes treatment for HIV/AIDS more affordable and to implement large-scale integrated care, treatment, and prevention programs.

The Clinton Global Initiative (CGI), funded by the Clinton Foundation, addresses world problems such as global public health, poverty alleviation and religious and ethnic conflict.

Wail and gnash your teeth over these accomplishments.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:57:37 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

You can call it a cheap shot all you want. Don't pretend it won't be an issue in the campaign. Which do you think would get a higher number for 'name recognition': The Clinton Global Initiative, or The Blue Dress?

Unfair? Sure. A sad reflection on this country? Absolutely. True? You know it as well as I do.


by BlueinColorado on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:00:24 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

Go ahead, gossip about a blue dress when people all over the world are dying of AIDS. My money's on the Clinton Global Iniative, AIDS/HIV prevention and funding, and Katrina Relief.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:17:37 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

I'm not talking about right and wrong. I'm talking about American politics.

I thought the whole point of these Very Concerned Diaries was dealing with the political arena as it is, not as we wish it were? about not burying our heads in the sand?


by BlueinColorado on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:21:40 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 2)

I'm talking about American politics, too. And my money's STILL on the Clinton Global Iniative, AIDS/HIV prevention and funding, and Katrina Relief.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:28:21 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

Clinton gets attacked: "Let's focus on the issues!"
Obama gets attacked: "This will be an issue in the fall!"
by amiches on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:41:49 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

So the 527's won't go at Bill because of the Clinton Global Initiative??  What is that...the 527's version of Kryptonite?


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:46:18 AM EST
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And uranium min ing in Kazahkstan. (2.00 / 1)




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:12:56 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 2)

Well, the easy answer is to stand together regardless of the nominee and refute the allegations when we can...  honestly, some of them may not be refutable...

But, as I was reading hillaryis44 the other day, I would not suggest using a commenter's suggestion about "A new place to start sending our money if Brazille et al succeed in silencing Hillary" followed by a link to TPM covering this story....


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:32:35 PM EST
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So you are trying to help the GOP's attack machine (2.00 / 1)

You will have McCain's gratitude.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:19:39 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

I don't understand this diary.

HRC is going to win, right? Your candidate is going to win so this isn't going to be an issue with Obama.

Or is it that you are actually worried that your candidate is going to lose? In which case you seem to be using the same tactics that you are warning us the the right wing fringe is going to pull out and use against Obama. In which case, your "concern" seems to be a cover to use tactics that you know are flat out dishonest and wrong.


by orexpat on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:42:16 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

Exactly this sounds more like a McCain supporter
and I've heard that they often try to divide us this way. It doesn't appear to be working here or in the polls.  Try something else guys. As an Obama supporter I will support senator Clinton if she is our nominee. Watch out McCain.
by Politicalslave on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:55:15 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 2)

This is the standard answer that you get from a BHO follower when asked about a legitimate question.


by indus on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:19:25 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

This is the standard answer that you get from a BHO follower when asked about a legitimate question.


by indus on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:19:58 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

The answer is Obama. He's still on top and he will
stay there. What are you proposing? Do you want to change the rules and give the race to Senator Clinton. Should only "vetted" career politians be allowed to run out of fear that the Swifteboaters
are coming. The voters want change not McCain.
A vote for McCain is a vote for four more years.
Fear not my friend Obama can take it. (so can Senator Clinton) Cheers
by Politicalslave on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:49:46 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (none / 0)

Luckily, the remedy is available. Hillary isn't going to be swift boated. She's our safe bet and she'll make an excellent President.


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:23:11 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 6)

With Obama, there's just too many unanswered questions.


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by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:10:34 PM EST

Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 5)

Agreed.  And the goopers will be all over those unanswered questions come the general election.  The swift-boaters have shown us they don't play by the same rules we do.


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by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:15:56 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 4)

Indeeed. Just wait until a number of investigations are concluded (Resko, IRS, etc.) The proverbial poop is going to hit the fan.


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by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:22:11 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

Excuse me,but Hillary may have been vetted while they were in office, but the Clintons have MAJOR explaining to do regarding their multi millionaire status and where all of the money for Bill's library is coming from. These concern diaries are pathetic. What happened to your pro Hillary diaries? I know you all are very nervous,as your chances of winning keep getting worse on a daily basis, but a hit diary helps no one.


by lion king on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:00:22 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

Amazing how Obama's people just found out the Clinton's are rich! Yes, over the last decade, they've both written amazing, insightful books on a wide variety of topics that have earned them their money. That's a PLUS, not a minus.

Not only that, but they gave TEN PERCENT of their earnings to charity, unlike other less generous presidential candidates that want to talk the talk but don't walk the walk.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:08:00 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

The books account for less than twenty per cent of their income.

Ron Burkle alone counts for almost as much.

And you comment about charitable contributions is typically tacky. How much did the Clintons give to charity before they hit the jackpot?


by BlueinColorado on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:25:59 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (none / 0)

The Clinton Tax papers are available for the last 30 years. you can research yourselves.


by indus on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:22:17 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

I see your still giving yourself mojo ratings.


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by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:49:30 AM EST
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"Concern Diaries"???? Excuse Me? (2.00 / 3)

I'm getting really tired of being called a concern troll every time I raise problems that BO will face in the General.

I'm a DEMOCRAT and I want to win the White House this year.  And everything I see about Obama tells me he's going to get creamed in the general election.  I'll vote for him but he will get creamed.

So please - don't tell me I don't have the right to fight to get answers about someone I see as our most flawed candidate.  This is my party too dammit - and I've probably been an active member longer than some of you have been alive.  Most if you look at the demographics of BO's supporters.


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by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:53:59 PM EST
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Re: "Concern Diaries"???? Excuse Me? (2.00 / 2)

why have you never had a concern diary for Hillary and asked us to come up with ideas for counters to Hillary?

do you really believe there would be no GOP attacks on her? we have already heard it, they will play on her untrustworthiness, on her appearance that she would do anything to win, and they would say she stole the nomination. why have you never made a concern diary for this? why is it you always seem to be so "concerned" for Obama?

I wouldn't go as far as others to call you a troll, thats a bit much, but I think disingenuous is not to harsh.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:11:24 AM EST
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Re: "Concern Diaries"???? Excuse Me? (2.00 / 3)

Is it really that difficult for you to figure out?  As she says, she thinks Obama has no chance in the GE with the Swiftboating that he has coming.  If she believes that Clinton has a chance then she should try and convert others to this opinion before it's too late.

I understand her mentality because I share it.  

There is no disingenuousness here of any kind.  If you're not calling someone a troll then don't throw the word out there.


by Apostle on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:57:14 AM EST
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Re: "Concern Diaries"???? Excuse Me? (2.00 / 1)

no I said Troll was not the right word, Disingenuous is the perfect word for her.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:00:24 AM EST
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Re: "Concern Diaries"???? Excuse Me? (1.75 / 4)

This isn't a concern diary...It's a premeditated attempt to open up Pandora's box on Obama.  Just another slick way of hiding what the diarist really wants to do....Bash Obama.


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:52:20 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (1.25 / 4)

You seem to be using the "goopers" tactics quite well. Which would seem to indicate that at least you do play by their rules.


by orexpat on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:44:28 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

I'm pleased to tell you the voters disagree. This will be reinforced again in a few weeks.


by Politicalslave on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:27:38 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 7)

If Rezko is convicted of bribery, his $625k "favor" to Obama is gonna look like a bribe to most Americans - especially after the GOP gets done running commercials with a soundtrack from the Soprono's and the "b" in Obama represented by a pistol.


by Little Otter on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:12:10 PM EST

Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

A bribe to do what?  What's the quid pro quo?


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by politicsmatters on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:14:52 PM EST
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He bought Obama's yard and raised (1.50 / 6)

hudnreds of thousands in cash for Obama in exchange for Obama securing him millions in Tax payers money to run slum lord properties.  


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:59:02 PM EST
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Re: He bought Obama's yard and raised (none / 0)

Where's the evidence that Obama got him any contracts? Hell, has anyone with access to any evidence even made that suggestion?


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by politicsmatters on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:03:17 PM EST
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ZOMG! Call Patrick Fitzgerald! (2.00 / 1)

Quick! He needs this important information!


by Bee on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:07:00 PM EST
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Re: He bought Obama's yard and raised (2.00 / 2)

I TR this for the unfounded and unsupported slanderous accusations.  Not to mention that offensive tag line that follows every one of your posts.


by mefck on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:14:35 AM EST
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If the GOP 527s plan on beating dead horses (2.00 / 1)

like you keep doing, it won't get them very far.

So what?


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:33:59 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

And if it's found out that Hillary had more to do with Travelgate....and if the Rose Law billing records....and if Whitewater...and if Johnny Chung...and if Filegate..........


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:01:26 AM EST
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And if she murdered Vince Foster? (2.00 / 1)

let's drag out all the old, disproven right-wing smears.

Mena Airport, Bill's black "love child," Hillary's a lesbian, etc, etc, etc.


by myiq2xu on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 04:03:49 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

LOL - Like Ken Starr, $70m and 500 FBI agents working full time on the case missed something.


by Little Otter on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:19:32 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 2)

This is really, really derivative stuff - standard talking points.

Evidently we have to be a-feared because of what Republicans are going to say about one candidate but not what they'll say about the one that has low positives and low numbers on trust.


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by politicsmatters on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:12:19 PM EST

Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 6)

Fortunately, one's been vetted and one hasn't. The choice is clear. Hillary has been able to withstand the onslaught. Obama will not.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:14:21 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

So. derivative.


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by politicsmatters on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:15:29 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 6)

Yeah - So you're that certain the goopers won't use this stuff


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by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:17:42 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

My point is that there have been a lot of diaries on this premise. We can do this in our sleep. Very, very predictable, reminding me of Groundhog Day.


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by politicsmatters on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:21:28 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 7)

Got news for ya. The swiftboaters could care less about your "diaries." And Obama will lose the election for Democrats again, just like Groundhog Day.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:26:25 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

They also don't care if the Dem nominee has been "vetted" or not.  

John Kerry was "vetted", it didn't stop them.

What matters is how you respond.  I think Obama responds well.  His rapid response team is great, he never panics, and he has a way of changing the subject to turn the tables back on the attackers.


by bawbie on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:32:57 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 6)

You can't be serious. He's like a deer in the headlights without a teleprompter. It took him days to finally respond to the Rev. Wright fiasco, and he STILL hasn't satisfactorily answered. If the goopers get ahold of him, he won't know what hit him.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:41:00 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 4)

He responded with what many have referred to as the best American speech on race since MLK. And his favorability and pollratings were STATIC. Meanwhile Hillary did such a great at fielding the Bosnia flap she's at her worst favorability ratings in the whole campaign.


by TheSilverMonkey on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:45:41 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 4)

Unfortunately, his "typical white people" slam, throwing his grandmother under the bus and making lame excuses for Rev Wright's outrageous expletives left more questions unanswered than answered. His entire candidacy is a poorly run fiasco that will escalate when revelations about Resko come to trial and the IRS concludes its investigation of his church, among other things.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:01:58 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

That's a nice bit of proof you supplied with those statements. Good luck with all that.


by TheSilverMonkey on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:15:39 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (1.83 / 6)

His entire candidacy is a poorly run fiasco

Good god. You people are deluded.


by BlueinColorado on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:27:33 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 5)

Yes his candidacy is so poorly run that he is out campaigning a political family that has been on the national stage for two decades, a family with hundreds of people within the democratic party establishment that owe them, that have built the biggest fundraising powerhouse over three decades in politics, well, that is, it was until Senator Obama built a better one in a single year. A family that used their insider connections to get a primary schedule crafted such that no candidate other then Senator Clinton could possibly survive a frontloaded schedule where 23 states all voted on the same day. His campaign is run so poorly he has thus far gotten more delegates, more votes, and has won more contests. When oh when will he get his act together?

And just what are these mysterious revelations about Rezko that all Clinton supporters seem to know are just about to be revealed that hasn't been found so far by the litterally hundreds of articles written on this subject, hasn't been found by Fitzgerald and so far has not been brought to light in the trial that has been going on for a month? Honestly what are they? You all sound so sure but if you have something you need to release it, there isn't much primary schedule left.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:36:02 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 2)

The Clintons must be extraordinarily confused about how little the Wright thing has hurt Obama.

If it's been so terrible, how did he end up +10 over Clinton in the national Gallup, running ahead of McCain while Clinton ties, and with having closed the gap in the poll average in PA by quite a lot?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106369/Gallup -Daily-Obama-Leads-Clinton-Points.aspx
graph of PA: http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-P rimary.php


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by politicsmatters on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:47:02 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (1.66 / 12)

Yeah, I trust a non-partisan like you to have a clear mind on how Obama will fair in the general election.  You who would do anything to bring him down if it means your candidate takes the nomination.


by bawbie on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:47:41 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (1.44 / 9)

Troll rated for an unfounded, personal ad hominen attack.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:13:35 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 2)

what was "an unfounded, personal ad hominem attack" in that?

Is any of it not true?


by bawbie on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:17:00 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (1.33 / 9)

You accused KV of being willing to "do anything" to bring BO down.  You have no way in hell of knowing that for a fact.

Have another tr kid.


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by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:57:09 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 3)

Ahem, troll rated for HIDE RATING the parent's comments.


by TheSilverMonkey on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:17:13 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

I was supremely reassured by that speech. Aside from the sarcasm I don't understand the purpose of your teleprompter reference either. I certainly don't care if he had a teleprompter while delivering it. It means much more to me that he actually wrote the speech himself.


by tessellated on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:30:08 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 1)

I admire your passion but Senator Clinton is behind and will never catch up as you seem to be suggesting. But do you think the only way your candidate can win is by ignoring the popular vote, pledged delegates, and the most states by trying to scare the super delegates into over turning the people? it will never happen in my opinion.


by Politicalslave on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:36:22 AM EST
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OMG - it takes him a week to respond... (2.00 / 1)

to the most simple request.

LOL.


by Shazone on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:28:18 PM EST
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Re: OMG - it takes him a week to respond... (2.00 / 1)

A week, man that's another notch for Obama, after a week is a least 4 to 5 times quicker than Clinton responds (see: IRS Records, requested Mid-Feb, released last friday).


by Socraticsilence on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 02:28:52 AM EST
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Crickets (none / 0)


by Shazone on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:03:59 AM EST
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Re: Crickets (none / 0)


Pres '08
Apr 10 Rasmussen McCain (R) 46%, Obama (D) 45%
Pres '08
Apr 10 Rasmussen McCain (R) 48%, Clinton (D) 42%

Looks like not everyone breaks the world down into "us" and "the other side" the way you do.


by BlueinColorado on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:25:50 PM EST
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Crickets (none / 0)


by Shazone on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:58:27 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 5)

Lots of diaries and yet...

Crickets

when it comes to getting real answers to these questions.

I'm going to keep asking until someone addresses these issues.  Don't like it?  Find another diary.


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by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:08:05 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (1.33 / 6)

when it comes to getting real answers to these questions.

Yes, your very serious, fact-based, unloaded questions:

When did you end your affair with Vince Foster, Senator Clinton?


by BlueinColorado on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:29:09 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (1.50 / 8)

Yeah... I'm not the only one asking those questions.  Or have you been on vacation for the past month?

Have a TR for the foster crack.


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by alegre on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:59:19 PM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (2.00 / 2)

Have a TR for the foster crack.

Doesn't surprise me a bit that the irony of what you and your fellow travellers have become escapes you.

I haven't at all been on vacation for the last month. Have you seen any polls? Clinton's negatives are up, she's weaker against McCain, and weaker against Obama nationally.


by BlueinColorado on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:02:33 AM EST
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Re: Running Headlong Into a Minefield (1.50 / 2)

You're even poisoning your little swimming hole here.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/9/22273 7/8142

But then, you are Clinton supporters. Just following her lead, eh?


by BlueinColorado on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:05:26 AM EST
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What makes you think the Republicans (2.00 / 4)

Won't use Bosnia, or NAFTA, or CAFTA, or Norman Hsu, or any number of the scandals on the Clinton side? Not saying she's necessarily guilty on these fronts, but they're just as easy to spin into negative ads. It's silly to claim that Hillary somehow has some pristine, flawless image to anyone but her diehard supporters.


by TheSilverMonkey on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:33:07 PM EST
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Re: What makes you think the Republicans (2.00 / 1)

And you think it's only going to be a few stray college students who ask about Monica Lewinsky? Neither of us will think that fair, but it's going to happen.

Meanwhile, with Obama we can get John Cleese as a speechwriter.  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics /2008/04/09/2008-04-09_monty_python_icon john_cleese_stumps_to.html Could be very amusing!


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by politicsmatters on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:39:05 PM EST
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