Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Example of Great Leadership

We start the week with another fine example of true Leadership.  News reports surfaced the end of last week that strategist for the Hillary Clinton campaign was talking with the Columbian government on Free Trade.  

It turns out Mark Penn appears to have been acting in his role as chief executive of the international communications and lobbying firm, Burson-Marsteller Worldwide.  Reported by the Wall Street Journal of a Monday meeting.

The Colombian Embassy hired the firm to help achieve congressional approval of a bill allowing free trade with the country — a proposal Clinton has sharply criticized.

Earlier Friday, Clinton spokesperson Mo Elleithee said the New York senator "remains steadfast against the Colombian Trade Bill," and maintained Penn's meeting was "not in any way done on behalf of the campaign."

Mr. Penn stated, "The meeting was an error in judgment that will not be repeated and I am sorry for it," Penn said in an issued statement. "The senator's well known opposition to this trade deal is clear and was not discussed."

And in keeping her commitment and word, Hillary quickly dealt with this obvious conflict of interest Mr. Penn has recently brought between the Hillary Clinton Administration and the firm he is employed with.

Statement from Maggie Williams

After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign.

Unlike, again, the poor judgement we see by Hillary's opposing candidates.  In particular, even if we just talk about the trade agreements that Senator Obama has a problem with.

Senator Obama had been making false statesments and attack ads on Hillary's position on NAFTA, apparently having a change in policy, he went from proposing Free Trade, Capitalism and an unabashed open market, not worrying about Americans competing for jobs, as he declared, just after he proudly declared he did support Free Trade and his recent support adding Peru to the Free Trade Agreement.

That led to his recent campaign of political rhetoric where he was now down right opposing NAFTA and now making NAFTA the reason for all of American's bad economic and jobs market times.

It was a memorable time when Senator Obama joined Hillary's call in Ohio on the television aired Democratic Debate,  to retool NAFTA to be a Fair Trade Agreement, not a Free Trade and to send a message if labor, workers and environmental standards were not part of the trade agreement, we couldn't have one.

That sent concern shattering through Canada, where they were in direct contact with the Obama campaign telling them to ignore any talk they would be hearing against NAFTA from Senator Obama, "it's just polical campaign talk".  It sounded like more than political campaign talk to them and they questioned how Obama could be offering assurances privately while publicly condeming  the Agreement.

Senator Obama was quick to deny this.  The Canadians came out and reconfirmed it with date, time and the name, Austan Goolsbee, Economic Advisor of the Obama campaign.  This was not a private job Mr. Goolsbee was undertaking, this was speaking on the behalf of the Obama campaign.  And it showed a level of dishonesty many didn't expect.  Later, Senator Obama was forced to admit the conversation took place after records of the meeting were disclosed.  

Senator Obama never explained how he could be campaigning on one platform, while making private assurances on the opposite.  And, to this day, Austan Goolsbee is still an Adviser of his Economic Policy.  I guess by him not getting rid of Mr. Goolsbee, he must be in agreement with the policy Mr. Goolsbee had been promoting privately.

Thank you Hillary, for showing excellent judgement on your decisions, your policy and your strong and honest character.  I hope we will be lucky to have you bring this strong example of integrity, accountability and character back to the White House.



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Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (2.00 / 1)

This diary is wrong for the simple reason that for all intents and purposes, Penn is continuing on in his current role.

If Clinton was not Bush-esque with her loyalty, Penn should have been fired many months ago.  And by fired, I don't mean continuing on in the same job with a different title, but fired.  Like, no longer working for the campaign.


by mefck on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:50:03 PM EST

Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (2.00 / 1)

Demoted Hillary Clinton strategist Mark Penn may no longer have the coveted title of chief strategist, but he remains a key member of the campaign's senior staff.

Yep - From http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/04/penn_out_then_in.php

Mr. Penn took part on the campaign's morning message call this morning, as usual.

This afternoon, he is also scheduled to be on a call with Clinton and other aides to begin to prepare for Saturday's presidential debate in Philadelphia.

Mr. Penn "is still going to be very much involved," a senior campaign official said.

Indeed, it is not clear precisely what Mr. Penn's title-change entails, other than a public rebuke, although the official said that "there is a difference between being in charge and being one of many voices."


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:55:41 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (none / 0)

That's good.  Deny a quick and swift handling from the Hillary team

...and just ignore all the problems with Obama.

That's good.  You wanna preach coming deny, deny, deny, admit and keep Obama?


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:25:54 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (2.00 / 1)

If Penn actually HAD been dealt with swiftly, then maybe Clinton would be winning today.

If Penn actually HAD bee dealt with swiftly, then he wouldn't be still working on the campaign and still on conference calls.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:29:19 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (none / 0)

you are kidding right? swift handling? you mean changing his title and rearranging some roles a bit?

THIS is her example of Great Leadership? wow.

instead of just admitting you were wrong, or not up-to-date on the unfolding story, instead you are now trying to defend it?

you are giving credit to Hillary and attacking Obama for something Hillary didn't even do. Penn, wasn't fired and thus by YOUR own diary I am forced to conclude that NOT firing him is an Example of Poor Leadership.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:34:32 PM EST
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Well there is a snowball's chance in hell that (none / 0)

Susan Powers isn't continuing to work for Obama in some capacity.  If you know anything about Maggie Williams, you know that Penn Co. has be relegated to reading the polls since she came on board.


by linc on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:27:24 PM EST
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Re: Well there is a snowball's chance in hell that (none / 0)

So you're saying that the statement from the Clinton campaign yesterday was not accurate?


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:30:48 PM EST
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You mean this: (none / 0)

After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign.
Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will coordinate the campaign's strategic message team going forward.
Ummm, I know you all can't help yourselves, but what is there to wet yourself over?
by linc on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:56:41 PM EST
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Re: Well there is a snowball's chance in hell that (none / 0)

Have you been paying attention to anything in the news today?? Penn still commands media conference calls, and is prepping the next debate strategy. This was on CNN/MSNBC all over the place. Even Begala said that they want him OUT, but he is still there.
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by Veteran75 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:30:49 PM EST
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Re: Well there is a snowball's chance in hell that (none / 0)

What does Susan Powers have to do with this diary. Or are you just trying to take a swipe at Obama?


by lion king on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:54:01 PM EST
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Isn't that your MO? (none / 0)

just following suit.


by linc on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:00:17 PM EST
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Re: Isn't that your MO? (none / 0)

Touche!


by lion king on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:21:46 PM EST
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Does she really? (none / 0)

Well then what about this article:
HRC Colombia ties don't stop with Penn
By: Eamon Javers
April 7, 2008 07:21 PM EST

Mark Penn isn't the only Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter on the wrong side of the Colombia trade agreement.

The Democratic-leaning advocacy firm the Glover Park Group, former home to Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson, signed a $40,000 per month contract with the government of Colombia in April of 2007 to promote the very agreement that Clinton now rails against on the presidential campaign trail.

That means Glover Park Group was arguing the same position on the free trade agreement as has Penn, the contentious Clinton strategist and Burson-Marsteller chief executive who lost his campaign job over the weekend after The Wall Street Journal revealed that he'd met with Colombian officials to plot strategy on the pact.

Several other Glover Park employees have deep connections with the Clintons, including founding partner Joe Lockhart, who served as the White House press secretary under President Bill Clinton, and Joel Johnson, who was a senior communications adviser in the Clinton White House.

Six employees of Glover Park Group contributed a total of nearly $20,000 to Clinton's campaign in 2007, according to data kept by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Wolfson, who is set to take over many responsibilities from the departing Penn, resigned from Glover Park last year to avoid conflicts of interest but retains an equity interest in the firm.

The tangled web of connections on the trade issue inside the Clinton camp illustrates the thin line in Washington between private and political advocacy.

Top campaign aides often spend their off-election years inside large firms with a complex array of clients. The benefit of such arrangements is that a party or candidate's political brain-trust remains largely intact and ready to assemble quickly for the next political battle.

Republicans have trotted down this path for years. Republican presidential hopeful John McCain's campaign is led by current and former lobbyists, some of whom are connected to such political boogiemen as subprime lenders.

But it's a trickier course for Democrats since their candidates often adopt populist themes that can conflict with a corporate client list.

Indeed, the latest Clinton brouhaha is a classic example of that.

The New York senator is using an anti-trade message to win over working class voters in Pennsylvania, a presidential primary most observers believe she must win big on April 22 to stay competitive with Democratic challenger Barack Obama, who also opposes the deal.

"We've got to have new trade policies before we have new trade deals," Clinton said last week. "That includes no trade deal with Colombia while violence against trade unionists continues in that country."

To avoid tarnishing either candidates or clients, many advisers take on voluntary campaign roles so the two can't be directly linked. Others seek to distance themselves from their private employers while working in the public arena. And a few, like Penn, try to walk a tightrope by keeping both jobs at the same time.

Over the weekend, Penn tripped. After taking a break from Clinton's anti-trade campaign to meet with his pro-trade Colombian clients, both parties dropped him.

At the time Glover Park got involved in the Colombia trade issue, Clinton's position on trade was less clear.

As it signed its contract last spring, Congressional Democrats seemed to have struck a deal with the White House to push it and three trade deals through Congress. That subsequently fell apart after labor leaders objected.

At about the same time, Wolfson's leave of absence from Glover Park became effective.

He and his wife realized income of between $1 million and $5 million from selling part of their equity stake in Glover Park Group in November of 2006.

But the couple still maintains an equity stake in the firm valued at from $500,000 to $1 million, according to a recent Capitol Hill financial disclosure filing.

Wolfson's wife, Terri McCullough, is the chief of staff to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

In an e-mail to Politico, Wolfson said "I took a leave from the firm last year and have no client contact and receive no salary from the firm." Several Wolfson allies, who declined to be named, argued that his distant relationship with Glover Park Group was far different from Penn's ongoing involvement at Burson-Marsteller.

According to the Glover Park Group contract, which was disclosed to the U.S. Department of Justice last year, the firm was to work with ProExport Colombia, an entity of the Colombian Government Trade Bureau, in developing a strategy to promote the free trade agreement.

The contract called for Glover Park to identify the key concerns of members of Congress, develop a comprehensive government relations strategy, and pinpoint reporters, academics, and business leaders who could help make Colombia's pro-free trade argument, all in close coordination with Colombian government officials.

The contract was set for five months, beginning on April 2, 2007. But it is not clear from public documents whether this is an ongoing effort.

Glover Park's report on the lobbying was to be addressed directly to the Colombian minister of trade and the Colombian ambassador to the United States, among other officials.

The contract was signed by Carl Smith, who is Glover Park's CEO and was previously chief of staff for Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign.

Smith declined to comment for the record.


by lion king on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:05:45 PM EST

Was it necessary to both (2.00 / 1)

potentially break copyright and to spam this diary?  You could have just chosen one or the other for your troll tool.


by linc on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:28:40 PM EST
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Re: Was it necessary to both (2.00 / 1)

I would hope that you also gave the diarist the same warning about "potentially breaking copyright" . You wouldn't want to look like a hypocrite.


by lion king on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:37:03 PM EST
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Re: Speaking of Hypocrites - (2.00 / 1)

Lion King -

You've troll rated me three times in the past two weeks for posting things that you disagree with - in clear contradiction to the guidelines of this website.  If you expect any respect of your views, you need to start showing a little towards others.


by johnnygunn on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:42:10 PM EST
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Re: Speaking of Hypocrites - (none / 0)

You actually look to see who troll rates you? And if you had a problem with that why didn't you address it in those diaries?? Why are you bringing this up here and now??


by lion king on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:56:33 PM EST
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Re: Speaking of Hypocrites - (none / 0)

Because you continue to abuse the purpose of troll rating.
You regularly use it to disagree with people.
Not just me - I might add.
by johnnygunn on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:09:15 PM EST
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Re: Speaking of Hypocrites - (none / 0)

Please prove to me that I ave been abusing the troll rating system. Is their some kind of maximum? How many times have I troll rated someone in relation to how many commets I have posted? And it seems to me that you are doing to me, what you just accsed me,of doing to you. You didn' like my coment, so now you are trying to call me out.


by lion king on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:21:05 PM EST
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Re: Was it necessary to both (none / 0)

Why...these are my own words.  I didn't copy and paste someone elses writings.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:45:34 PM EST
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Re: Does she really? (none / 0)

Wow, amazing rant...and you don't even provide a source, wethher legit or not?

It even starts off with a false claim.  HRC doesn't have a tie with Columbia, except if you want to call a tie, her consistent call against the Colombia Trade Agreement as a tie.

So, are we too to get upset that a "former home to Wolfson ".  You must be kidding.  Who wrote this ... better yet, laughable that you're trying to make news out of this.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:44:23 PM EST
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Re: Does she really? (none / 0)

Here is the requested link:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/040 8/9433.html

by lion king on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:36:04 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (none / 0)

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I cannot believe we have a diary showing how Hillary firing Penn is a great example of leadership

ESPECIALLY

after I just posted a dairy that said he isn't fired, at the most he was demoted. wow


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by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:06:39 PM EST

Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (none / 0)

and I wasn't laughing at you Linda, just the irony of this diary,

also if you claim her firing him is an example of Great Leadership, then you must admit the opposite is true.

Her only demoting him to almost the exact same role only less (which they haven't defined) must then be an example of Poor Leadership.

or did you misspeak about this being an Example of Great Leadership?


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:12:23 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (none / 0)

Why did she keep the bozo as chief strategist so long? He clearly was doing an awful job for her.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:14:29 PM EST

Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, (none / 0)

The bad press from this story is just beginning.  This seems to be the talk on all the political shows tonight.  This plus the untrue story of the woman who died because she was uninsured and denied health care.  She is losing credibility right in front of our eyes!


by sbbonerad on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:19:38 PM EST

This is a SNARK diary right?? (none / 0)

Did the author read ANYTHING that was written on MyDD in the last few hours? This must be a snarky Obama supporter. Maybe we should rec it??? Hmmmm . . . let me think about it. BTW . . . for those of you that are confused - MARK PENN was not fired . . . they just changed his title. He is still prepping debate strategy, he is still on conference calls . .. now he just gets to spend an extra few hours a day doing insider DC lobbying.
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by Veteran75 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:25:13 PM EST

Re: This is a SNARK diary right?? (none / 0)

did you not read the diary...or you just want to ignore realities.

Please, do recommend.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:30:17 PM EST
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Re: This is a SNARK diary right?? (2.00 / 1)

What realities are you referring to? How about the reality that Penn has not been removed from the campaign -- while the diary proclaimed that removing him was a mark of leadership.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:32:00 PM EST
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Re: This is a SNARK diary right?? (none / 0)

The diary clearly states he is no longer Chief Strategist, but his company will still be providing polling and advice.

And you are ignoring the Obama campaign letting thing go on as business as usual.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:35:43 PM EST
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Re: This is a SNARK diary right?? (none / 0)

so Penn and his firm are still getting paid and still work for hillary,

so you happy that he lost his title? thats it?

ok.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:46:31 PM EST
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The company Penn works for is a... (none / 0)

long established PR firm.  I remember it from the '70's and they have/had a varied client list.

Penn was stupid for this contact.  He should not be HRC's chief strategist as a result.

That's what's happened.  His involvement is changed.  What more do you want...him to sell his stock in his company?

OK, then Powers should be fired from her teaching position.

Enough!


by CoyoteCreek on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:45:43 PM EST
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P.S. I'm not voting for Penn or Powers. (none / 0)


by CoyoteCreek on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:46:13 PM EST
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Re: The company Penn works for is a... (none / 0)

How about if he really was fired from the campaign?


by mefck on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:58:49 PM EST
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Re: The company Penn works for is a... (none / 0)

What a novel concept.


by johnnyappleseed on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:05:07 PM EST
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To you and mefck, shouldn't we move on (none / 0)

to substantive issues?  IMHO.


by CoyoteCreek on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:56:27 PM EST
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Re: To you and mefck, shouldn't we move on (none / 0)

Surely we should, but I was not the one who posted this diary about how great Hillary's leadership skills are because she finally fired Penn who she should have fired last year and she actually didn't really even fire in the first place.

Also, look at the LIAR diary posted by another ardent Hillary supporter, TexasDarlin.


by mefck on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:02:55 PM EST
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Drive by hit pieces (none / 0)

shoud be baned. The diarist wrote this hit piece then doesn't even bother to respond to any of the comments. I don't understand. If  post a diary I would assume you want to start a conversation???


by lion king on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:28:59 PM EST

Re: Drive by hit pieces (none / 0)

You may not like the facts, but go throw your accusations where they means something.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:36:16 PM EST
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Re: Drive by hit pieces (none / 0)

To what facts are you referring?


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:43:14 PM EST
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More facts (none / 0)

Oh, and here is Axelrod, acknowledging Penn today on Scarborough,

"Obama campaign speaks out
April 7: Obama Chief Strategist David Axelrod knows that Mark Penn's dismissal from the Clinton campaign is a shake-up."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

But he's trying to deflect away from the Trade talks, I guess he figured this would come back to bite them....YEP!


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:56:17 PM EST
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Re: More facts (none / 0)

I don't understand your point. Please explain.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:58:25 PM EST
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The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

Hillary's refusal to fire Penn, and his anti-labor firm, will increase the SEIU and Teamster involvement in PA.

Her poor handling of the Penn "non-firing" is getting play all night on MSM.

Perception is reality, and the reality is HRC WILL NOT WIN PA by double digits.


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by Veteran75 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:34:13 PM EST

Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

I also love how SEIU is a major sponsor of MyDD. I know it sucks when all those PRO-HRC writers got banned from MyDD, but I wonder if the SEIU demanded that Jerome police up the character attacks comparing Obama to Wallace??
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by Veteran75 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:36:08 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

Well, then, obviously SEIU enjoys the real dialogue about the issues, like the ones they care deeply for, like Health Care and all of us who talk abot those real issues, instead of the Obama supporters that come here and just aimlessly throw out any insult, attack or accusation they can think of.

We're here doing just fine and would love you to come around to.  Stick around and maybe you will.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:40:22 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

There are lots of good health care policy ideas out there.  Mandates to purchase insurance has traditionally been a Republican idea.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:42:32 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

Well, if you believe that, that explains why Obama used the same Republican attack ads for Universal Health Care.  lol


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:54:31 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

Huh? Clinton's the one with the mandate.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:57:41 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

Yes, she is.  And a mandate is the only assurance all are a part.

Just like Social Security is mandated.  You cannot pick and choose.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:22:31 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

Your comparison doesn't work.

If Social Security was like the system HRC has proposed, we would all be mandated to buy annuities from a private insurance company.  And if you couldn't afford to buy the annuity, you would get a subsidy from the government to buy the annuity.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:25:04 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

You know that SEIU is Obama's BIGGEST Union supporter around the country . . . right?

They chose Obama because they know his positions can make it through committee. HRC is a great Democrat, but I think we can all agree that our support of her as Democrats is narrow . . . she can't get a national mandate with a 10-state strategy.

You need a 50-state strategy in this NEW generation of politics. I worked my ass off for her husband, but the political arena has changed since 1992.


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by Veteran75 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:11:38 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

No, they chose Obama because of Chicago politics.

And it was silly.  But thankfully Hillary will be a president for all.  But we don't belittle any union for their size.  All are important. OK?

You are now guessing an awful lot.  Obama has no record for acocmplishing much of anything and he won't.  Hillary has the best record for getting things done and even in the Senate, accomplishing much with the Republicans.

And, according to the Center for PRogressive Policy, Hillary stands the best chance at getting her health care plan passed, because the Republicans view it as being accountable.

....it looks like you're coming around.  That's great.  Yes, keep repeating, 50 State Strategy.  All votes must count.  We can't select who, and we can't ask people to get out so they can be annointed.

Follow Hillary and as 50 states count!  It's great for citizenry, counry and party.  All voices heard.

thank you for the rec'd even though I know by example, this diary has sure shaken the Obama supporters seeing the realization of hypocrisy on this subject.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:27:56 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

Of course all votes must count -- from fair elections.  

You certainly wouldn't consider an election fair if only one major candidate was on the ballot, would you?

And I'm sure you wouldn't consider an election fair if candidates could not campaign.

Certainly the UN election monitors would not -- open campaigning and access to the ballot are major criteria for free and fair elections.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:39:15 PM EST
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Re: The word on the street . . . (none / 0)

Well  we all like our candidates for different reasons . . . experience, inspiration, politics, identity . . . the list goes on.

I read a MyDD diary earlier today that touched on why Hillary lost people like me : http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/7/16543 /29020

One thing is for certain . . . most of us will have a common enemy after Denver - John McCain.


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by Veteran75 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:44:23 PM EST
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Hillary has lost the nomination (none / 0)

At some point you have to look at the numbers and be realistic. The SD's will not over turn the pledged delegate and fund raising leader.

It is not a coincidence that Hillary has netted no new SD's since Super Tuesday.


by johnnyappleseed on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:11:59 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, (none / 0)

Obama lost me as far back when he first got in the Senate, started bashing Governor Dean, refused to shake his hand in Chicago and said ", "As somebody who is a Christian myself, I don't like it when people use religion to divide, whether that is Republican or Democrat I think in terms of his role as party spokesman, [Dean] probably needs to be a little more careful and I suspect that is a message he is going to be getting from a number of us.”  

Then proceded to vote against everything he claimed he was supporting.

For 2 years he voted to keep the war going, he voted to Reauthorize the Patriot Act, he voted for Condi Rice, he campaigned for Joe Lieberman over Ned Lamont and said he was his "mentor".

....hmmm, funny, everyone Obama campaigned for, they lost, Lieberman, Pederson in AZ, Harold Ford Jr.  ....not a good track record.

But Obama, just continued his hypocrisy and now, the tactics he's taken on this election, unforgivable, and I haven't even gotten to his poor policy and misleading positions like having up to 80,000 troops through 2010...Gee, when will he decided to bring them home?

And just wait.  


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:52:35 PM EST

Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (none / 0)

You DO know that Mark Penn's been contracting with the Colombian government for over ONE YEAR now, don't you?  That makes for ONE YEAR full of conflicting interest.  Swift action indeed.


by haystax calhoun on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:53:00 PM EST

It makes you wonder....... (none / 0)

why Clinton didn't get rid of Penn awhile ago, especially since other campaign staffers were not satisfied with him for quite some time.  It's not a good decision to let your chief strategist keep his day job of a lobbyist, especially one whose agenda happens to be completely opposite from yours.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:53:29 PM EST

Re: It makes you wonder....... (none / 0)

I'm not so sure their agenda is all that different.  The Clintons ties with Colombia go way back.


by haystax calhoun on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:02:35 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Does What Hillary Says, Another Exampl (2.00 / 1)

"On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more "core" principles of the agreement."

That is the exact line on NAFTA from the disputed memo written about Goolsbee's meeting with the Canadians. Nowhere does it characterize his position on NAFTA as just campaign rhetoric. This characterization of his position on NAFTA is consistent with the one he gave in one of the last debates, that he didn't want to repeal it, just change it to be more fair.

Earlier in the memo it says this: "He was frank in saying that the primary campaign has been necessarily domestically focused, particularly in the Midwest, and that much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy."

This is the passage people have seized upon, but note it doesn't relate to NAFTA. Not only that, it's wrong. Senator Obama has never advocated a protectionist position, that is more in line with a Republican characterization of his position, and Senator Clinton's I might add. In reality he has consistently said he believes in trade, markets, and capitalism but that trade needs to be fair to American workers and corporations.

I also don't buy this idea that Senator Obama's criticism of her NAFTA position as somehow below the belt. All public evidence shows that she was a supporter of NAFTA, worked actively to lobby for it's passage, held meetings, etc in it's favor. Now Clinton administration insiders have come forward to say no, no really in private she didn't like it, though even in doing this the reasoning differs. Some say she didn't like the agreement and it's effect on workers, but others say she didn't want anything getting in the way of the healthcare debate. In the end it's unknowable what the true reasoning was.

Honestly though to me this is all a tactical mistake by her. She could have easily sidestepped all this problem by saying Yes I agreed with NAFTA and worked on it's passage but since then we have seen evidence of problems with it that need to be changed. Why she didn't take this route mystifies me.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:20:49 PM EST

Memo Link (none / 0)

I meant to include a link to the memo itself: http://www.nytimes.com/images/promos/pol itics/blog/20070303canmemo.pdf


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:26:00 PM EST
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More Misdirection (none / 0)

Why is the Clinton strategy, including that played by supporters, to diminish a mistake while pointing to something Obama has done?

Is Clinton not accountable for anything?  This is a CLEAR conflict of interest.  She has a person on her campaign staff working to pass a trade agreement that she opposes.  Tell me...should Colombia or Clinton expect his best effort?  Because he can't serve both equally well, on this issue.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:03:30 AM EST


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