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Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM

by NewHampster, Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:04:08 PM EST

This first video is about the sexism in this campaign from beginning until now and is the best mashup I've yet to see.

The video title is Mad as Hell/Bitch

NYC Protest
The second video is calling for a protest event in NYC Friday, April 11 at 8AM. The event is at Rockefeller Plaza, the HQ of NBC. More details at the event webpage.

Tags: President, Hillary Clinton, 2008, women, mother, protest. MSM (all tags)

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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (1.18 / 27)

More of the victim card eh? Hasn't the "pity me" plea worn a little thin?

"There's something horrible and undefeatable about people who have no life except the worship of power. People who don't want the meeting to end."

by campaignmonitor on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:08:41 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 20)

yup, women standing up for themselves against sexism is always playing the victim card with trogs.

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:17:49 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (1.62 / 8)

I take it this is because the woman isn't winning. I've seen very little sexism in this campaign but a lot of gender baiting. If she can't win on her own merits she shouldn't win just because she's a woman. This is too important.

by Becky G on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:34:14 PM EST
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unfortunately becky (1.89 / 19)

women can be women hating trogs too. It you haven't seen any sexism it is because you don't want to.

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:37:12 PM EST
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Re: unfortunately becky (1.66 / 3)

You know, not to be snarky, but this argument works in the other direction too. It's possible you're just seeing sexism because you want to.

by TheSilverMonkey on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:05:35 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 2)

Happy on the plantation, too?
'Cause that's what you are saying.

by johnnygunn on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:56:22 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 2)

huh? what a lousy analogy

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:25:23 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 3)

Why is it a lousy analogy??????

For generations, Southern whites said that blacks were happy with slavery / Jim Crow because they never heard anything. Of course, whites didn't hear anything because they did not want to and because blacks knew that to say anything was wasted effort, at best, and extremely dangerous if they were seen as a threat.

Analogy???
It's a perfect analogy.

by johnnygunn on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:46:17 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 2)

Man, you're so right, since women were brought to this country by force as slaves, and still are, apparently. Get a grip.

by TheSilverMonkey on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:17:34 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 7)

How many women were murdered by their spouses and boyfriends during the past decade?

Spare me the slavery stuff. I acknowledge that it was an unspeakable horror; however, the intent of this diary is to point out that American society has deeply entrenched sexism. Just because slavery was atrocious does not mean that women have not faced and do not continue to face intimidation, exploitation, and daily violence.

I'm not into the "which was worse" game.
I simply expect all to acknowledge that women have experienced degradation throughout American society. For the above commenter to suggest that the diarist is seeing things that are not there is sexist in the extreme.

by johnnygunn on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:45:10 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 2)

Get off your high horse. You brought up slavery, not me, jackass. I was just pointing out that they're not exactly the same thing. And you know, we live in a society of law, it's not like those murderers you cite get to walk around with their head held high after their crimes.
I'm saying citing sexism as the sole reason Hillary is losing is making a mountain out of a molehill. It was not, and plenty of people this whole election have been calling "racism" or "sexism" alike when there was none to be had. And to call me, "sexist in the extreme," for pointing that out is absurd.

by TheSilverMonkey on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:54:33 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 6)

You really don't get it, do you?

Unless oppression of women looks exactly like slavery, then it isn't oppression to you. It doesn't matter that "honor killings" still take place all over the world, centuries after the African slave trade ended. It doesn't matter that women have had their labor expropriated through intimidation and violence - albeit behind the kitchen and bedroom door rather than the cotton field.

The point I made was that whites in the South repeatedly said that "their Negroes" were happy because they chose not to see the oppression. You make the case for the inability to see oppression of women better than anything I could post.

by johnnygunn on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:01:37 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 2)

I think you're the one that doesn't get it. I'm not talking about worldwide subjugation of women. I'm talking about the current AMERICAN campaign. You know, the one going on right now, the one this diarist wants to start a protest over, the one Becky said had been pretty fair before she was attacked about it?
Did I say women aren't oppressed worldwide? Where the hell do you read that in my comments? I was saying I agree with Becky that most of the claims of sexism IN THIS CAMPAIGN are illusory.

by TheSilverMonkey on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:23:49 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 5)

O.K.

Can I hold up a sign that says,
"Obama, shine my shoes!"
And see what happens?

I doubt that broadcasters would chuckle.

As to your comment above -
You only see what you are willing to see.

by johnnygunn on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:34:15 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (none / 0)

I'm sure the broadcasters at Fox would.

The actions you cite of two radio shockjocks are not indicative of the entire campaign, thank you very much. There are detestable people in all free societies. In the particular case you mentioned, the impact those fools made was, if it even existed, microscopic. If you want to stage a rally because of a couple of idiot radio talking heads when there are countless other serious atrocities being committed against women worldwide, be my guest. It's still making mountains out of molehills.

by TheSilverMonkey on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:52:40 PM EST
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Re: And Are the Negroes - (2.00 / 5)

You are completely, and perhaps intentionally missing the point. No one says that misogyny permeates the whole campaign - you're arguing against a point no is making. The sexism is coming from the media, especially NBC/MSNBC.

Chris Matthews is the worst of the bunch, and if you can't see that, then I can't help you. And for Pete's sake, please lay off the "there are bigger problems in the world" nonsense. There always are and always will be. That doesn't mean we can't be pissed off at NBC too. Some of us think the media should do their damn jobs. Maybe that's important too.

"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin

by Denny Crane on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:21:03 PM EST
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it has nothing to do with HRC not winning (2.00 / 17)

It has to do with comments by the MSM about calling Chelsea a whore, and the frat boy mentality that permeates throughout MSNBC.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:38:28 PM EST
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Yep, it's about the misogyny... (2.00 / 12)

We shall overcome!

by atdleft on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:43:02 PM EST
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Yep, it's about the misogyny... (2.00 / 15)

That's being displayed openly from the media. That's why we're outraged.

We shall overcome!

by atdleft on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:43:50 PM EST
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We're Protesting FOR Obama too (2.00 / 4)

If he is the candidate, MSM will eat him alive the way they did Gore and Kerry and Hillary Clinton.

THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.

THEY CANNOT KEEP FUCKING WITH OUR CANDIDATES.

by blobert on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:23:32 PM EST
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Re: We're Protesting FOR Obama too (2.00 / 1)

yah . . . right . . . I don't think Obama needs your help. The electability argument was the argument that gave us Kerry in the first place. And, you know, Rush Limbaugh didn't try to get his supporters to get HRC the nomination because she is perceived as easier to beat by the RW (and because she energizes the RW base)? Yah, that never happened. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Wright controversy caused SD's to break FOR Obama. It's in the latest issue of the NY Times. Reality. It's not just for Obama supporters.

by DrPolitics on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:45:24 PM EST
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You cite Rush Limbaugh (2.00 / 1)

like he was some sort of political sage. You indicate that the Wright controversy swayed South Dakota to vote for Obama. Forgetting the fact that SD has yet to vote and assuming you mean ND (which already gives you two benefit of the doubts), you completely overlook the fact that the vote in ND was in the Democratic primary- not the general election.
You are right in this latter instance, but it is not Democratic primary voters that will be effected by Wright (we are too smart for that, I assume, I know), it is the General Electorate that will be effected by right- especially after a few Republican 527s get to run away with Reverend Wright and his very well documented anti-Americanism- they won't even touch the race or Clinton hate stuff, no need.
So, you are a Doctor of what again?

by linc on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:31:12 AM EST
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SD's = Super Delegates (none / 0)

... not South Dakota

At least that's how I read it, because of the apostrophe ... "get SD's to break ..."

McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.

by obsessed on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:45:52 AM EST
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Oh, thanks (none / 0)

Now I feel like an ass... I am sort of one sometimes, so that makes sense. However, I guess the argument that Super Delegates broke for Obama because of Wright is more tenuous than North Dakotans breaking for Obama because of Wright... Anyway, thanks for the tip. Of with hat in hand to see Dr. Politics...

by linc on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:18:09 AM EST
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Re: Oh, thanks (none / 0)

yeah - I don't really see what Wright would have to do with either SD breaking for Obama - maybe his speech prevented them from breaking against him - who's Dr. Politics?

McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.

by obsessed on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 03:03:57 AM EST
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The guy I was being arsy with (none / 0)

upthread.

by linc on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:10:16 AM EST
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Re: You cite Rush Limbaugh (none / 0)

That's rich. I never "cited" Limbaugh, nor did I mention him favorably. I made it clear that he was helping Hillary. I find this despicable. The fact that Bill Clinton went on his show is equally despicable.

Choosing political candidates out of fear, letting the RW (which is a minority in this country) set the tone for our own campaigns, cowering in fear over what the RW political machine will do: this is no way to live, this is no way to run a campaign. At some point you have to fight back.

Today I read a thread comment on MyDD from someone that said they would work for and donate to McCain if Obama becomes the nominee. I find that atrocious. Hillary is leading her supporters all the way into the Republican party. The same thing is happening right now with "bitter-gate."

Finally, Hillary is the one with high negatives. Her negatives are so high that not only will many independents not vote for her, she will likely lose many African American's who are Dems. If electability is your argument, you (and your candidate) need to get a better argument. As for your comment about what I do for a living: Give it up. What I do for a living is not the issue. It's whether your (or my) arguments are good or bad.

by DrPolitics on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:30:15 PM EST
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Someone pointed out that you probably (none / 0)

meant super delegates, so please forget that portion of my bombast.

by linc on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:19:43 AM EST
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Re: it has nothing to do with HRC not winning (2.00 / 0)

What is this "frat boy mentality"?

I can't imagine why decrying negative attacks and demeaning generalizations, on one hand, and then committing them yourself, in the same breath, is acceptable.

Torture me once, shame on you; torture me and get away with it, shame on us all.

by freedom78 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:34:40 PM EST
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if ladies think NBC is bad to women on TV (2.00 / 1)

imagine what it's like to WORK for those assholes.

by blobert on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:00:12 PM EST
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Re: it has nothing to do with HRC not winning (1.66 / 3)

My 18 year old daughter uses the word whore in ways that have nothing to do with prostitution. You know that wasn't want Shuster meant, right?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:28:28 PM EST
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And the unwitting sexism of America (2.00 / 0)

rears its head. So, then using the word 'nigger' or 'gook' or 'jap' or 'faggot' in derogatory ways that don't really have quite the same meaning as the original, makes it OK to use them?
I would really be interested in some examples. Do you have any you could share?

by linc on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:37:11 AM EST
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Re: it has nothing to do with HRC not winning (2.00 / 1)

Schuster is supposed to be a professional journalist. I dont see anything professional about that comment.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:23:49 AM EST
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Indeed, it wasn't. (none / 0)

He should certainly of known better. Which is why he was suspended and he and the network both apologized profusely.

by corph on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:43:55 PM EST
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Re: Indeed, it wasn't. (none / 0)

he only apologized after he was forced to by NBC.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 07:43:01 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 10)

Becky, why not view the first video before you comment. I mean even the media acknowledges its bias. Why can't you?

by linfar on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:39:33 PM EST
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The videos are brilliant (2.00 / 1)

by blobert on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:00:51 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Have you LOOKED at the video? The sexism displayed by the MSM is rampant, and we have a right to protest. If you don't like it and you want to call it whining, go right ahead. WE own the airwaves, and it is WE the people that guarantee the press their freedom to report. WE expect fairness and even handedness, and WE certainly do not expect a Woman that represents us to be denigrated in such blatant sexist terms! Telling someone that they are whining when they DOCUMENT misogyny is such sexist bullshit in itself!

Zionism is Bullshit

by moonheart on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 06:42:44 AM EST
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I posted this current tv's website, go recommend! (2.00 / 3)

http://current.com/items/88892480_hillar y_clinton_voter_protest_event_friday_apr il_11

vote it up to get attention!

by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:25:45 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 4)

Thanks for posting this protest announcement and videos.

I will be at the protest, I hope other people can attend!

Tell everyone you know who supports Hillary and lives within striking distance of West 48 St and Rockefeller Center.

I'm very busy doing GOTV for Hillary in PA and won't be posting too much here, and I thank everyone who is keeping up the good fight here, your words help keep me going. :)

by 07rescue on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:41:18 PM EST
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I just put it on Taylor's site so methinks word (2.00 / 2)

will be getting out to the world. I wish I could go but at least I'll do my dangest to build a huge crowd.

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:46:11 PM EST
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Re: I just put it on Taylor's site so methinks wor (2.00 / 1)

Way to go, New Hampster!

by 07rescue on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:51:17 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 0)

I won't be at the protest, much to my dismay, because I am out of time on my job until May 1. I will be there in spirit and I will be sending a note to MSNBC that I should be counted as 1 more protestor.

Zionism is Bullshit

by moonheart on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 06:54:30 AM EST
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For someone who had no problem (1.91 / 12)

with Clinton being called a racist at every turn, you sure seem able to throw that 'victim' meme around.

by linc on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:24:09 PM EST
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Re: For someone who had no problem (none / 0)

When has Hillary Clinton been called a racist, let alone "at every step"?

by Mostly on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:20:42 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

Inappropriate use of troll rating, Sep.

Rec'd

by Cycloptichorn on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:25:24 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 7)

i thought it was a perfectly good use of a troll rating.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:39:00 PM EST
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It was, sepulveda... (2.00 / 5)

That was an inappropriate comment, and certainly worthy of a "1".

We shall overcome!

by atdleft on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:40:43 PM EST
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Re: It was, sepulveda... (none / 0)

You've been troll rating me in threads that you're not even a part of. You wouldn't know an appropriate use of it if it smacked you in the head.

by Mostly on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:19:48 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 6)

You won't be saying that next time team Obama plays the race card.

Fight for Democrats in Congress.

by owl06 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:16:40 PM EST
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He doesn't. (none / 0)

Playing the race card would be claiming he's being criticized unfairly because he's black. Ever here him complain about "whitey ganging up on him" during or after a debate?

Didn't think so.

by corph on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:49:40 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 2)

Shaking my head. It's sad that you don't get it. substitute those sexists statements and insert racists ones and I have a feeling that your reaction wouldn't be the same.

Sad! This is why I've sworn off MEssSNBC

by shark on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:10:49 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

Anyone who troll-rated this should be ashamed of themselves. This is ratings abuse.

No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!

by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:13:51 PM EST
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see you at 8AM! (2.00 / 7)

I will be there with my Bitch is the new Black tshirt

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:08:43 PM EST

Good luck, everyone!! (2.00 / 5)

And maybe soon, we should think about organizing another protest at NBC's LA studio for all of us out here in Clinton Country West (aka California). :-)

We shall overcome!

by atdleft on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:46:17 PM EST
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Re: Good luck, everyone!! (2.00 / 2)

I will be there. If someone organizes it, Hillary supporters will show up.

by linfar on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:40:55 PM EST
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Re: Good luck, everyone!! (2.00 / 2)

That's a great idea.

by LakersFan on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:54:57 PM EST
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Re: Good luck, everyone!! (2.00 / 1)

WooHoo! I work near NBC!

by ellend818 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:35:03 PM EST
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Re: Good luck, everyone!! (2.00 / 2)

For those of us who would love to be there but can't, could we flood the media people with e-mails at that time? Or write letters about our anger? What do you think?

by georgiast on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:29:52 PM EST
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Re: Good luck, everyone!! (2.00 / 0)

That is exactly what I wrote up thread. I am sending the MSNBC headquarters an e-mail the morning of the protest to tell them that I am there in spirit and should be counted as 1 more protestor.

Zionism is Bullshit

by moonheart on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 06:58:11 AM EST
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Re: Good luck, everyone!! (none / 0)

I watched the mashup. A couple of things. Nothing I saw on there suggested that Keith Olbermann was being sexist. A bias against Hilary Clinton, perhaps, but sexist? I don't think so. As for the "crying" thing. Senator Muskie, many many years ago, was derided for crying on the campaign trail. I was not surprised when Hilary Clinton was as well.

On the other hand, Chris Matthews spews out sexist garbage like a machine. The guy is weird, loud and obnoxious. Matthews should have been the one serving a suspension not Shuster. The "pimped" out thing "unfortunately" has edged into the common lexicon and is used to refer both to woman and men. Not sexist per se...

Finally, the vast majority of the over the top, outrageously sexist comments came from Fox News. Which of course raises the question. Why the protest against MSNBC and not Fox?

by StrangeAnomaly on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:10:48 AM EST
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Re: see you at 8AM! (none / 0)

And I assume that means you approve of people using the B word.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:29:15 PM EST
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Re: see you at 8AM! (2.00 / 0)

Did you get your shirt from CafePress, or somewhere else? I got a couple of the buttons, but not the shirt, I wish I would have -- that would be a good place to wear it.

Bitch is the New Black

by Iphie on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:11:57 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 4)

Oh, I do enjoy a good protest. Too bad I live so far away.

I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.

by sricki on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:11:50 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

What is being protested, exactly?

by Cycloptichorn on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:14:48 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

Who the hell knows anymore?

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:14:03 PM EST
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Pro-Outrage Rally (2.00 / 0)

If you're OUTRAGED make a poster and join in.

by JoeCoaster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:15:35 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (1.50 / 4)

"What is being protested, exactly?"

Yeah, I was also wondering. If I had to guess, I would say the general theme would be:

Hillary Losing = Unfairness by Big Meanies Everywhere

But that's just a guess.

by jwolf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:39:46 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (1.50 / 2)

Wow, we have a winner for a very evolved human being. Hip Hip hooray!

Zionism is Bullshit

by moonheart on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 07:38:44 AM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

voters.

Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts

by jaiwithani on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:53:04 PM EST
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I wish you luck (2.00 / 1)

with this, or at least certainly more luck than I wish the Ron Paul "revolution march"

Peace.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:14:57 PM EST

Olbermann (1.92 / 14)

what a sexist blowhard he turned out to be. He's just the elitist idiot liberal version of Rush. All blather and hyperbole and no balance.

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:16:04 PM EST

Re: Olbermann (2.00 / 8)

I stopped watching Olbermann well before the presidential race began. Hey, I dislike Bush as much as the next (normal) person, but his obsession with Bill O'Reilly got a little creepy, and when I'm watching and my family starts giving me odd looks when they enter the room, I know something's wrong.

by AnnC on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:23:51 PM EST
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I watched about three of his (2.00 / 8)

"special statements" or whatever the hell everyone was calling them. But then it got boring because I thought "what is this accomplishing other than gaining ratings? I wanted real action against Bush not overwrought pundit ranting and preening.

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:40:13 PM EST
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time spent (1.83 / 6)

watching Olberman is time wasted. He's a self serving dama queen. Always was.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

by Bella on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:45:49 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

I've seen a lot of ugly gender baiting in this campaign.

by Becky G on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:30:26 PM EST

prove it (2.00 / 6)

show us some facts/examples.

DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008

by TeresaINPennsylvania on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:41:03 PM EST
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I don't think she can... (1.87 / 8)

Unless Becky wants to talk about how the Obama Campaign's been "gender baiting" by mocking Hillary's emotions, denigrating her actions as First Lady, portraying her as mentally unstable, and making her out to be an all-around "monster". I wonder when the Obama people here will mention all of this "gender baiting".

We shall overcome!

by atdleft on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:51:51 PM EST
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Re: I don't think she can... (none / 0)

where is he gender baiting?

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:12:04 PM EST
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Re: I don't think she can... (2.00 / 4)

Denigrating her actions as First Lady is somehow sexist? No it isn't. She didn't have national security clearance and her foreign trips were glorified tourism, by and large.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:30:41 PM EST
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Re: I don't think she can... (2.00 / 2)

Remarking on her actions as First Lady is somehow sexist? No it isn't. She didn't have national security clearance and her foreign trips were glorified tourism, by and large. And when HRC did have a policy portfolio - health care - she blew it.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:32:15 PM EST
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Re: I don't think she can... (2.00 / 1)

Nothing you listed has anything to do with her gender. Unless you're saying that only women have emotions, or that having a president for a spouse is something only women can do. It really sounds like you don't care what he said, but since he's saying mean things about a woman he must be sexist. If having a surogate call Hillary a monster makes Obama sexist, then Clinton is racist for pointing out Obama's deal with Rezko. Let's move on, neither is sexist or racist.

by Okamifujutsu on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:23:52 AM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 2)

will there also be a protest against SCOTUS if they allow state-sponsored disenfranchisement of voters in Indiana?

Will there be a protest against GWB and his cronies if military action is taken against Iran?

Will there be a protest against the Department of the Interior if they go forward with the wolf-kills?

I'm just curious as to what the protest schedule looks like this summer.

"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg

by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:37:51 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Thank you.

I'm much more concerned about any and all of the items on your list (the wolf kill is making me nuts) than who is playing rougher in this campaign. Both candidates are totally capable of both slinging and flinging mud when they need to. It's a campaign. It's not even the worst I've seen.

by mady on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:25:17 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 0)

Are you implying that women have not done their part in general when they see a way to protest oppression and unfairness. Hmmm? Is that what you are implying? That's what it sounds like to me. Women have always been in the forefront of protests even when their own issues and concerns are ignored.

Are you implying that you won't join women to express their concerns that a prominent Woman who is in the running for President of the United States is being treated so unfairly in the media. Is that what you are implying? Just checking so I understand the point of your post.

Just because you are a supporter of BO, does not mean you can't support another group when they are expressing their dismay at unfair treatment.

If a protest was held tomorrow to protest the medical treatment of minorities, which contributes to the rising infant mortality rate of said minority, I would be there. It is a legitimate concern and as such is a concern to all of us in a civil society.

Zionism is Bullshit

by moonheart on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 07:49:59 AM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 2)

Good luck with your protest. I think it's going to be confusing protesting sexism and the Fl/MI.

Bitter voter for change.

by Hope08 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:38:35 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

Do I have a right to not believe the woman or the black guy may not necessarily be the best candidate for President, or am I automatically a sexist or racist if I was to believe that.

Seems like this year Democrats are either sexist or racist...and you wonder why so many won't vote for the other candidate?

Me? I'm about ready to just accept the sexist AND racist titles and give up.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:48:32 PM EST

You're likeable enough (2.00 / 4)

You do realize that the sexism and the racism don't come from supporting and voting, don't you? The sexist attacks against Hillary have all been carried out from outside the voting booth, usually by snide remarks or disingenous concern trolling about Hillary's perceived femininity, or perceived lack thereof.

Re-elect the President in 2012

by DemAC on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:26:42 PM EST
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Re: You're likeable enough (2.00 / 4)

If I was to say; I won't vote for her because I don't trust her, is that sexist?

If I was to say, I won't vote for him because he doesn't have enough experience, is that racist?

Those are usually the two major "concern trolling" I hear about candidates. We need to be careful not to overestimate the racism and sexism factor and maybe deal with the reality that people just plain don't like her and don't like him.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:10:43 PM EST
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She didn't cry for Katrina (2.00 / 7)

Your argument cannot hide the fact that this is not what is being protested or discussed here. Not by anyone. No one is disputing the voters' right to take a stand based on the issues or the character of the candidates. Heck, we're happily cheering the voters on in this regard. On the issues and on character Hillary clearly is the frontrunner.

What is being protested is the inherent unfairness of the sexism that dominates the mainstream media. If nothing else has come from this primary season it certainly has served as an eye opener to many of us. It has revealed an ugly, discriminating media industry, hell bent on destroying one of the most credible, intelligent and hard working female politician to ever run for office.

What is being protested is a political and medial culture that not only allows for blatant sexism and misogynic rants to pass as "reporting", but also directly discourages women participating in politics.

Re-elect the President in 2012

by DemAC on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:30:59 PM EST
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Re: She didn't cry for Katrina (2.00 / 3)

on the issues and on character, Hillary is clearly the frontrunner with her suuporters...

On both fronts, Obama is the frontrunner with his supporters.

I have absolutely no problem with protesting sexist bias in the media. So long as that is the target.... and remains the target. The moment this turns into "Obama is a sexist misogynist" is the moment you will have lost me. The MSM that we decry here will pick that up as the only point of note in the entire thing. The only purpose that serves is to make the Republicans gleeful.

"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg

by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:02:37 PM EST
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Re: She didn't cry for Katrina (2.00 / 2)

which, I'm sorry, I do not see.

If the media is at all unfair to Clinton it's because she's a Clinton and not because she's a woman. I see no examples of sexism in the media against her and few, if any, examples of racism against Obama. The media is not hell bent on destroying Clinton, nor is it hell bent on destroying Obama, it's hell bent on electing John McCain by any means possible.

There are people being slaughtered in Tibet and Darfur, there are soldiers dying in Iraq and back here at home because they've been left to wither away. There are millions without healthcare and millions more struggling because of the price of gas and because their homes have been foreclosed on and you people want to waste valuable time standing on the street holding signs complaining the media is sexist? What a fucking joke, I'm sorry.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:46:08 PM EST
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That Justice is blind doesn't mean you have to be (2.00 / 1)

Your "argument" that we cannot protest sexism because we also want to fix the economy and want the war in Iraq to end is both illogical and intellectually dishonest, to say the least...

Re-elect the President in 2012

by DemAC on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 03:33:00 AM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 2)

Because you are tired of the calling out of racism and sexism doesn't make the point of this diary invalid. The point wasn't about the campaigns, it was about the media and how tired people are of the media trashing our candidates. Whether it is Hillary or BO or last cycle Kerry, or before that Gore.

You didn't address the video which documents the point of the protest. The sexism that is being used against Hillary is outrageous.

Zionism is Bullshit

by moonheart on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 07:56:19 AM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

They should call it the "$100 Millionaire March." If the simultaneous "End the Chinese Crackdown" march gets greater attendance or coverage, everyone can accuse the dead Tibetan monks of misogyny.

I'm kidding! Low hanging fruit.

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:12:12 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 4)

Heard about this and wish like hell they were also doing something like this in DC.

We'll be there with you in spirit though!

Donate to Hillary Now!

by alegre on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:20:00 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 2)

Same for us on the west coast

by linfar on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:41:23 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 0)

Even tho it'll be 5AM in L.A.

by ellend818 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:39:27 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

I'm not even awake at 8am!!! Tweety is a douchebag, go give him hell. I'll read about it like 2 hours later after I wake up ;)

Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome

by kasjogren on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:29:29 PM EST

Very good reason for the time (2.00 / 3)

It will be outside the Today Show and Morning Joe on MSNBC

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:50:09 PM EST
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Re: Very good reason for the time (none / 0)

Ah, too early for me. Post a video :D

Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome

by kasjogren on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:17:35 PM EST
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Re: Very good reason for the time (2.00 / 1)

That is a very good reason. And I am going to keep that reason in mind as I contemplate waking up at such an hour.

Bitch is the New Black

by Iphie on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:26:59 PM EST
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Tweety is a douchebag? (2.00 / 1)

Sounds pretty sexist to me.

by johnnyappleseed on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:41:49 PM EST
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Re: Tweety is a douchebag? (none / 0)

Oh Jesus H. Christ dude, way to find something in nothing. I guess I shouldn't support anything any Clinton supporter does because I have a f*cking penis and it might come off as sexist.

Give me a break.

I'll make sure not to support you guys in the future then since it will just turn into a mudslinging thing.

Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome

by kasjogren on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:22:46 AM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 7)

Hey All,

It took me and my friend a month to make this. Please take two minutes to help us out.

GLAD you like the video. It about sexism of which nither political party should stand for.

However, if you have NOT made a comment, rec it,
and hit it as your fav the Obama supporters will take it down.

PLEASE ... send it out and have everyone rec and rate it.

THANKS,
IndyRobin and GeekLove

by IndyRobin on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:28:03 PM EST

recommended :D (2.00 / 1)

I wondered why some of the best diaries I read would suddenly disappear.

by soyousay on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:37:41 PM EST
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They mean for you to comment and rec at YouTube (2.00 / 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2 iM

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:23:58 PM EST
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done :D (2.00 / 0)

by soyousay on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:41:35 PM EST
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Thanks for a great vid that I am proud to post (2.00 / 0)

Great work and I've gone to youtube as asked and commented and recommended.

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:23:17 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 3)

I'm an Obama supporter. I don't have a problem with your video.

It doesn't motivate me to vote for Hillary, but it's hard to imagine progressives disagreeing with the notion that sexism exists in the media. If the suggestion is that sexism is the reason why Hillary is losing the primary election, well, of course, that's a contentious proposition and I suspect support for that notion strongly correlates to partisan support.

by tessellated on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:40:43 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

Well put tess, an with a diplomatic flair, even! :)

by jwolf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:11:41 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Added it to my favs, rated it and saved it to my playlist!
Thanks for sharing!

by ProudMilitaryMom on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:43:11 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 0)

Indy,

As an Obama supporter who's definitely been fairly critical of some of the methods of the more rabid Hillary supporters in the blogosphere, let me congratulate you on a well-made video. I could take issue with a few things in it, but overall I thought it was effective and well-executed.

I'll just leave it at that.

by Rumproast on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:18:04 AM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Please post video. Should be a hoot.

Stop H8

by mikeinsf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:28:49 PM EST

My 2 cents worth... (2.00 / 2)

Great clip; that video pretty much sums up the media's blatant anti-Hillary stance.

I like the clip from the "Murrow" movie; Keith Olbermann is no Edward Murrow.

Also, ever since Chris Matthews had to apologize for his remarks in reference to Hillary Clinton, it seems to me that he comes off angry when talking about Hillary. Must be payback time for having to apologize.

by soyousay on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:34:34 PM EST

Re: My 2 cents worth... (2.00 / 3)

Murrow is harking back to when we had a free and somewhat fair press. The biggest threat we face right now--all of us--is the media under corporate control.

by linfar on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:43:17 PM EST
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agree... (2.00 / 2)

but I've heard people refer to Olbermann as today's Murrow. IMO, Olbermann has been anything but "fair" in reference to Hillary Clinton. Olbermann has put his candidate on a pedestal ---> Obama.

by soyousay on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:47:53 PM EST
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Re: agree... (2.00 / 1)

That's because you disagree with him. Olbermann has an opinion, and uses it. You like what he says when you agree, and you don't like him when you disagree. That's okay. But if you think somehow he went from being awesome when you agreed, and then coincedentally became a bozo once you began to disagree, you're not playing the game right.

Don't worry, after a month or two, it'll be all McCain dumping, and you'll think he's a nice cuddlebear again.

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:48:16 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 4)

thanks for this diary, NH. Its pretty strong, and the bias gets me so angry. I only wish we had a protest here on the west coast.

by linfar on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:45:10 PM EST

There is a first time for everything (2.00 / 1)

and I suggest that now is the time to organize your first protest. stop over at http://hillarysbloggers.soapblox.net/ post about the desire to get a protest going and I bet we can find someone in your area willing to help with the sticky legal crap.

Also work with that atdlefty guy, he seems to be fairly active.

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:31:17 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 2)

I am mad as hell too. I also wish they were doing something nationwide.

by JustJennifer on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:29:44 PM EST

i am mad as hell (2.00 / 3)

hampster, outstanding first video. i haven't even gotten to the second one yet i'm so overwhelmed by emotion. i almost put my fist through the monitor.

on a separate note, fleaflicker was thrown out of mydd today and i've posted his diary here:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com

Now i'll go watch the 2nd one.

TexasDarlin blog

by TexasDarlin on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:31:10 PM EST

Fleas is gone? (2.00 / 4)

I sure hope we don't have to move on again. But we do have our own site http://hillarysbloggers.soapblox.net/ that will never shut down a Hillary supporter.

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:32:37 PM EST
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Re: Fleas is gone? (2.00 / 2)

Oh no. Not again. All my favorite people keep getting banned. Guess they're doing something right.

by ellend818 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:44:03 PM EST
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Re: Fleas is gone? (2.00 / 2)

After those diaries claiming that Obama is affiliated with the new black panther party, I'm glad to see that there are standards here.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:09:04 PM EST
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Re: i am mad as hell (1.83 / 6)

"fleaflicker was thrown out of mydd today"

Pity, that. It wasn't the "Terrorists for Obama" stuff I hope. I mean, that is level headed stuff.

by jwolf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:48:39 PM EST
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Re: i am mad as hell (2.00 / 2)

That 'Slave Card' diary was over-the-top ridiculousness. I'm not sure that, by itself, it warranted a banning, but it was extremely close, and certainly warranted deletion.

No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!

by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:17:26 PM EST
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Re: i am mad as hell (none / 0)

Where are you now that you have demeaned my nephew by posting your racist crap?? Come on let's talk about how you feel the need to demoralize A democrat, the AA, Muslim communities with the garbage you post, not to mention my family.

Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.

by hootie4170 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:05:14 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (1.75 / 4)

Woman have to stick their middle fingers to the media. Stop watching those channels. Woman make 50% of the population. They have the power. They can elect their president because they are the majority of voters. Make your voices count. They are afraid because they know Hillary is the best candidate, who will bring justice, equality and fairness to this country, and this a threat to the insecure, misogynysts, small minded men out there. Together with the bright guys out there we can bring the change that this country really needs.

by RC01 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:53:01 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

so, "bright guys" vote for Hillary and people who vote for Obama are "sexist" and "small minded"?

I'm sorry, but this is beyond the pale. You are doing the same things that are at the heart of race and gender: creating representative "others" as objects of hate.

It is simply neither true, nor logical, to assert what you do. People can and do see the gender issues in this campaign and still choose to vote for Obama. Talk about "small minded."

I don't write comments that say or imply that all people who support Hillary are racists. That would not only be uncalled for, it would be, as your comment is, beyond the pale. (It would also recreate the power of race insofar as race is a way of "making individuals" or "bad others").

You are not helping your candidate with these kinds of remarks and personal attacks. There are people from all sides on this board.

by DrPolitics on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:59:36 PM EST
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I posted this on current tv's website, go vote (2.00 / 1)

Vote it up to get attention!
http://current.com/items/88892480_hillar y_clinton_voter_protest_event_friday_apr il_11

by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:26:39 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

George H.W. Bush was convinced that he was losing to Bill Clinton because of media bias. His folks had bumper stickers that said, "Annoy the media. Vote Bush."

He was another candidate promoting experience when the time was for a change election.

What does this tell you? The losing candidate always thinks she or he is losing because of the media.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:30:01 PM EST

It tells me that sometimes (2.00 / 1)

It is true.

It is also true that the "winning" candidate always thinks the others are whining rather than raising good points?

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:33:39 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 4)

As a enthusiastic Obama supporter, I do believe that the media has been biased against the Clintons.

www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com

by LandStander on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:12:31 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Presidents with low approval ratings and candidates who are not winning get worse media coverage. That's what happens.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:34:47 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (1.00 / 1)

Please do this protest, it will be funny for us "Leebrals" to watch on the evil Olberman.

What is it with you people, do you not realize that why we went with Obama.

We are a political party with a PROGRESSIVE base.

How do you expect elections to be won if we feel we got another default president who didn't represent the direction of the party.

Also don't forget this, ALOT of people wrote Hillary off along time ago because of her connections to the DLC.

Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:40:30 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 3)

IndyRobin and GeekLove, you two have done us a great service: First, by putting these outrageous statements together, you gave us a look at the ugly sexist underbelly of the MSM in bold relief. Seeing these all together, well, nothing could be stronger, or more horrifying. Second, you left no doubt that the complaints of many, many people [no doubt, the Media Boys of Hubris say these were "whining" or "b****ing"] are absolutely valid. Third, you probably have changed the nature of campaign reporting in the future. Your month-long effort to put this together may well be historic. Thank you!

by tj in tx on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:46:42 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (1.33 / 3)

"Third, you probably have changed the nature of campaign reporting in the future."

All with a short video presentation. Amazing!
Tweety is cowering in a corner somewhere, I am sure.

by jwolf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:52:20 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 3)

Thanks everybody... I'm just blown away with all the kind and thoughtful comments. Work for Hill!!!

by IndyRobin on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:14:58 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

What was so sexist that Snyder said the thing about the barn.

Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 04:51:38 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

When you take someone "out behind the barn" it is to spank or kill them... an old southern expression

by IndyRobin on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:40:18 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

So what is so sexist about it, its a term used in Politics all the time.

I would gladly say that in public and not feel a sexist bone in my body.

My point is this poster put that snippet in there not to bring sexism to the surface but instead entice emotions in someone who assumes that every clip in the video is a sexist attack against Hillary.

What a shame, Donna Brazille was totally right.

Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:46:55 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

It's a figure of speech.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:51:28 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

"If you can't take the heat, don't run for president, because it's a really hot kitchen in the White House."

Hillary Clinton

Sounds like some of the folks here need to Cowboy UP, as Bill might say.

by jwolf on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:44:03 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 0)

That is an excellent video. I have forwarded it around to tons of people. I wish I could say that I am shocked but sadly I am not....

by JustJennifer on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:11:35 PM EST

Places to EAT and SEE around 30 Rock (2.00 / 1)

I just saw this, and am re-posting:
Anyone coming from out of town:
Dean and Deluca right across the street from 30 Rock. Yummy pastry and sandwiches, decent soup. Too cramped to eat in.
Or downstairs 30 Rock is 1. a Starbucks, 2. in a hidden area is Tuscan Square with good Italian sanwiches pastry and coffee. I do NOT recommend the upstairs Tuscan Square Restaurant - overpriced bland food. 3. Cacina is second rate. 4. Rock Center Cafe is pretty good sit down. It waxes expensive. 5. Sea Grill is posh. Food isn't exceptional, but the ambiance is. 6. Down the street, Mangia has decent take out sandwiches and pastry. 21 East 47th
You are 2 blocks away from MoMA (Museum of Modern Art) Fairly decent cafeteria and cafe. (You have to pay admission to the museum to get in)
There is a Szechuan restaurant - with an unbelievably yummy fish dish - crispy fish in pork sauce, and their mixed vegetables are good as well. The tourist stuff like beef and broccoli are bland, and their other fish dishes aren't that great, tho they get good reviews for the Szechuan dishes. Wu Liang Ye 36 W. 48th (grungy exterior, but hugely popular place)
Finally, the New York Magazine Restaurant Guide is on the web and their critics rated restaurants are usually pretty good. http://nymag.com/restaurants/
Be sure to look at the lobby of 30 Rock. Very cool frescos. Interesting story behind them. The exterior frescos are fascinating. There is a really nice one on the 5th avenue side of 30 Rock.
The Top of the Rock is touristy, expensive, fun and cool. I recommend it.
One other thing that might be of interest:
The Central Park Zoo is a longish walk from 30 Rock (Central Park is a must see though).
What is great about this little zoo is the Penguin Aquarium. The penguins are behind a glass wall, and swim and dive a few inches from your face. It is fascinating. Over the walkway, outside the zoo, on the hour, an old clock chimes, as bronze animals parade around, just as they did for children a century ago.
The park is great for exploring. Strawberry Fields is groovy. See if you can find Cleopatra's Needle. Yes, the original!
Hope you guys have a great time.

by blobert on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:31:49 PM EST

HRC: the most incompetent campaign in history (1.00 / 2)

If Hillary Clinton really is the victim of sexism, and she can't capitalize on it by winning (democratic primaries are 58% female), the she really is a horrible candidate with a horrible campaign staff.

by Democratic Unity on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:45:08 PM EST

Re: HRC: the most incompetent campaign in history (2.00 / 0)

Unfortunately for you, not the point. The point is the media is protected by the constitution because it is to serve the people. Tthe point is the Media is not being fair and unbiased, they are being misogynistic. The point is WE the people are exercising our right to protest and tell the media that they are not serving the ppl when they practice this 'good old boy's club' style of media.

Zionism is Bullshit

by moonheart on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:13:46 AM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Can I ask a question?

Hillary Clinton's comments about how long it takes her to get ready, as funny and down to earth it was, and I applaud her for showing that sense of humor, isn't sexist to any of you?

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:51:23 PM EST

Suggestion: Lay off the Sexism aspect (2.00 / 0)

we know it's there.
But people get psycho over that issue.

It's better to stick with protesting media bias.
There is an abundance of that, and complaining about
it won't trip off the nutcases.

by blobert on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:26:13 PM EST

Re: Suggestion: Lay off the Sexism aspect (none / 0)

I disagree, because a)to the extent that the media is biased against Hillary Clinton, it's rooted in sexism (I don't think they're biased towards Obama overall), and b)if you just frame it as "anti-Clinton" bias, not only will you miss the point but you'll generate another week of Rev. Wright loops.

by Mostly on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 01:50:36 AM EST
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We don't need it, and it pisses (none / 0)

even open-minded men off.
She is being treated unfairly, and leave it at that.

by blobert on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:49:10 AM EST
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Repeat: Your Video Editor is Brilliant (2.00 / 0)

Someday, I wanna know who put those videos together!
Superb work.

by blobert on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:37:28 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 3)

If this is the worst of the worst, I'm sorry, but there's just not a lot of there there.

Yes, there were some awful things in the video like the nutcracker and some cartoons. But those are not examples of "media bias."

Sure, the media folks talked about HRC crying. What else would you expect? In 1972, Ed Muskie was driven from the presidential race because he cried. In 2008, any presidential candidate would get a lot of scrutiny for crying.

And Olbermann? He was focusing on Ferraro's comments, which HRC herself repudiated, but his remarks came before she did so.

I loved the clip of HRC saying the Bush administration should be held accountable, but I am saddened that she didn't do so when it really would have mattered.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:50:39 PM EST

What a shame (1.25 / 4)

You people are the farthest thing from Feminism.

Why don't you go and protest outside of the UN over the complete lack of attention to the many rape victims in Iraq. American and Iraq women.

Why dont you yell at the MSM for barely covering it, oh yea your most hated guy Olberman was one of very few to cover it.

You say the MSM is sexist to Hillary, well I spit on you just like I do KBR. KBR and the DOD is sexist against rape victims and you guys only care about a nomination that is 6 feet under.

Shame on you.

Shame on this site for NO DIARIES covering this issue.
For those DLC'ers who could care less about real issues and care more about your dead DINO ideology, watch this real progressive radio host and Nation author cover the most recent issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5GigADEv OA

If you find the posters video more moving to call you to protest over the Rape story, then you have real issues and need to rexamine your humanity.

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by GeorgeP922 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:04:06 PM EST

Re: What a shame (2.00 / 1)

How dare you shame anyone on this site. These women and men are protesting something they care about. Does that mean they don't care about what is happening around the world. This site is specifically focused on the election, hence they are writing and protesting something that relates to the election.

Are we 1 issue people. Not I, and I would bet not a majority of feminists who support Hillary's candidacy. I will bet you they are just as concerned about other issues concerning women as you are.

One of the issues that I am very passionate about is the Health Care inequity in this country. I am outraged that the infant mortality rate in the AA community is higher than the white community. It is one of the reasons that I support Hillary so strongly. Her health care plan is the only way that the poor will get health care that will be affordable and we can finally have Health care parity.

Shame on you most vehemently. We women have always supported all progressive issues affecting minorities, the poor, the Lesbian and Gay community. We were there supporting civil rights, but just as we see historically, our issues are just not important enough.

Zionism is Bullshit

by moonheart on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:22:09 AM EST
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Re: What a shame (none / 0)

Don't think for a second you swayed me.

I didn't know this was an "Election 2008" site, it seems thats what it has become.

And I see the "issues" talked about on here are only the ones HRC's campaign say are relevant.

I yell at liberals for avoiding the "hard" issues like this.

I call shame on the poster AGAIN for making a misleading and pointless video and cloaking the shrills for a failed canidate with a fight on sexism.

And yes I still shame anyone who read my comments and said nothing, including you.

What I am accusing you of is making Hillary's treatment in the press a bigger womens rights issue that women getting raped in Iraq and having no recourse.

Hillary's campain will go on regardless of this petty video, these women who were raped will live with it for life. Add to that they get no chance at justice, in fact they are denied justice.

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by GeorgeP922 on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:28:49 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Hamster, I saw this video yesterday, and I felt like crying. This is all so true...like we're in some crazy world of distortion. When you have the brightest and most experienced candidate and you hear those MSM folks...If this is not misogyny, than what is? And since the MSM is not going to jump on the story(since they are the story) like they do those other "stories", it's like the beatings can go on unchallenged. I keep hoping someone in the media will wake up. Thanks for the diary and kudos to the producer of the first video. Brilliant! How about we do a money bomb to have this distributed nationwide on all the networks? (I can dream can't I?)

by susanclare on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:22:02 PM EST

Re: (1.00 / 2)

I want you to tell the rape victims of Iraq that Misogyny of the MSM is more important than their violent attackers getting a pass and protection from their government.

My how you people have fallen from REAL issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5GigADEv OA

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by GeorgeP922 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:25:22 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

I know Clinton folks are upset because the "more experienced" candidate is not doing that well. But if you look back at American politics, it's really pretty common for that to happen and it had nothing to do with sexism.

When George HW Bush was getting beaten by Bill Clinton, he couldn't believe his greater experience wasn't enough. And also take a look at 2000 - Al Gore had more experience. Sometimes the outsider candidate does better - so I don't see where sexism is involved when that happens this time, too.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:39:13 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

A poster who made a comment under McCain's outrageous comment calling his wife a cunt typed this..
"This is what my wife thought, too. I admit that I occasionally call her the c-word as a joke, and she understands that it is just a joke. But I would never do that in front of people, if for no other reason than not wanting people to think I'm serious.

Besides, you can only make fun of your spouse for things that aren't true. Cindy McCain does slather on the makeup, so that "joke" would hit too close to home. It's like making a joke about her sagging boobs or something.

Of course, she bears some blame in this, as well. Surely she knew that making fun of her husband for going bald would unman him in front of reporters and employees. Again, a little too close to home."

Anyone have a problem with this?
Didn't think so...

"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie

by nogo war on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:22:46 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Oh..yeah...
Do ya all truly believe that women who have voted or caucused for Obama are fools that have been used?
Do you believe women that support Obama lack awareness?
If ya all want want to support women...
the next time women gather in your city to protest the separating of families through BS ICE enforcement..join them.

"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie

by nogo war on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:35:30 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

That first video is one of the worst candidate video mash-ups I've ever seen.

It makes Hillary look bad. It also lumps people who have made pointed criticisms (even valid ones) against HRC's campaign (even if you or I might disagree with those criticisms) with those who have made sexist and offensive remarks. There's just no perspective here.

I agree with the poster who said this gives feminism a bad name.

But then, every feminist I know is voting for Obama (that doesn't mean that we don't all see the blatant sexism that has been demonstrated in this campaign, some of which has been captured in the first video).

As I've said to both sides in this race: if you really want to attack the sexism and racism at work in this campaign you have to do it OUTSIDE of the candidate wars (because the candidate wars have been one of the primary ways in which race and gender have been injected into this race). Race and gender are not about a person named Barack or one named Hillary. It's so much bigger than that and you can easily draw that out in this race without turning it into a candidate war. My two cents.

by DrPolitics on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:39:59 PM EST

That was such a huge circle that (none / 0)

I got lost. WFT were you trying to say? Or did you intend to use the circular logic that makes no sense unless it is what you insist on believing.

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:58:36 PM EST
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Re: That was such a huge circle that (2.00 / 1)

I don't see circular reasoning here. Please explain. Thanks!

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:04:55 PM EST
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Drs. last PP just does not make any sense to me (none / 0)

maybe not really circular but as tired as I am it lost me completely. Like why do sexism or racism have to be discussed outside the campaigns. Everything is relative to my mind.

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:26:04 PM EST
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Re: Drs. last PP just does not make any sense to m (none / 0)

OK! I thought that the comment on discussing sexism and racism outside of the campaign was the weakest part of that post. But I agree with this part:

"That first video. . . lumps people who have made pointed criticisms (even valid ones) against HRC's campaign (even if you or I might disagree with those criticisms) with those who have made sexist and offensive remarks."

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:28:44 PM EST
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Is anything perfect nowadays (none / 0)

other than you know who

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:01:44 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

Anyone remember how Al Gore flirted with ttrying to create a new channel after 2000?

It was called Current I bekieve. It was a littke ahead of its time with user generated content. It sort of flopped as I recall.

Anyway, maybe you folks should look into starting a news channel from a womens perspective. Just a thought.

by howardpark on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:53:02 PM EST

Current is very much alive (2.00 / 0)

http://current.com/items/88892480_hillar y_clinton_voter_protest_event_friday_apr il_11

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:00:58 PM EST
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Speaking of Current look at this (2.00 / 0)

a story about racism and sexism
http://current.com/items/88892198_our_ra cist_sexist_selves

I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.

by NewHampster on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:15:30 PM EST
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Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Wish I could be there- I am an old hand at protests!
God Bless and protect you all- watch your backs!

The videos are great- i can see you put a lot of work into them. I have them marked as fav's and on my playlist and forwarded to all my friends and family.

keep up the good fight!

by ProudMilitaryMom on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:14:03 PM EST

Youtube video big hit! (2.00 / 0)

by soyousay on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:40:30 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

loved it. i already boycotted the MSM. Gotta tell you, their coverage made it easy and I'm grateful. I don't miss it.l

by NY Writer on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:25:03 PM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (2.00 / 1)

Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy? If Obama-supporters bring up race were baiting, but if Hillary supporters claim sexism we're blind for not agreeing. Thanks to all these petty arguments, Hillary is on a great path to nomination, just not till 2012. Let's stop this crap and start focusing on the real enemies: the GOP and John McCain.

by brathor on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 03:00:06 AM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

How about we protest something important like the war in Iraq instead where people are dying needlessly?

by mefck on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 08:59:48 AM EST

Re: Mad as Hell - Join the Protest - NYC 4/11 8AM (none / 0)

The MSM lied us into that too. Get the big picture?

We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.

by fairleft on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:54:10 AM EST
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50% awesome- 50% unrealted (2.00 / 1)

I think the idea of brining attention to the gender bias in the media is a great idea. Protesting this is a very fitting way to voice your opinion and bring this issue out. On the other hand, why convolute a clear issue by tacking on the unrelated "We demand Florida & Michigan votes COUNT as cast"?

Keep the focus on a single issue. I have not seen anything that shows FL and MI are directly related to gender issues. Adding MI and FL makes it seem like the protest is against Hillary being in a weak position to win the nomination.

by sharpfork on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:42:36 AM EST

Interesting. Where does the attempt to (none / 0)

have delegates who are pledged for Obama vote the other way figure into the fairness claims?

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 12:52:14 PM EST

Sent video link to... (none / 0)

MSNBC - Abrams since he claims to be fair... plus, he asks for comments/tips on his site. His staff will probably ignore it; the media doesn't like to be criticized.

by soyousay on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 02:30:30 PM EST

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