*Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP?

by TexasDarlin, Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:40:34 PM EST

UPI Reports...

WASHINGTON, April 6 (UPI) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has exhibited interest in becoming John McCain's vice presidential running mate, a Republican strategist says.

Dan Senor revealed during Sunday's edition of ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" that Rice has been seeking support to be considered for the No. 2 spot on the Republican ticket this fall.

"Condi Rice has been actively, actually in recent weeks, campaigning for this," Senor said.

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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 2)

I honestly have no idea how much she helps or hurts.  If McCain goes that route he is really tying himself to the Iraq War and the Bush Administration.  Personally I think that is a horrible strategy, but then again I am on the side that loses most of the time so what do I know:)


by Xris on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:43:04 PM EST

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Well if the dems nominate Hillary, then both sides are tied to Iraq, so that will be a non-issue. But McCain and Condi against Obama will provide a real contrast.


by greenboy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:47:52 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 2)

Nope. The war isn't a big issue to voters. If it was McCain would be losing by double digits to Obama. Right now he's beating both Hillary and Obama.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:50:00 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

The economy may have surpassed Iraq as THE top issue, but it's incorrect to say the war "isn't a big issue to voters."

Read about it here,.

I think once we have a nominee, we'll be able to hammer McCain non-stop for his war position, and his complete lack of economic understanding. Right now, though, he's still skating by on residual goodwill as we fight it out amongst ourselves.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:55:12 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

Pelosi failed to set the issue up. If we want out why didn't Pelosi do it? Why didn't Obama vote to get out? That'll be the cry of the GOP. The voters gave Dems a chance with congress and the senate and they didn't act. You can hammer him about it but I don't see it really working. Some dems see it as the end all and be all but voters will often chose "strong and wrong" vs. "weak and right."


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:19:45 PM EST
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they didn't have the votes to end it.  Bush was going to veto anything Congress passed and there was no way we would have been able to over turn it.  Even if we could have you know as well as I do that we would have had to cut off funding for the war and then our side would have been demonized.  That doesn't make Pelosi and Co.'s weakness any less frustrating, but there was a political calculation to it.

Also, lets say your idea that the war doesn't matter is true, how does Rice help McCain in regards to the economy?


by Xris on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:23:25 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

I know they didn't have the votes but Dems still controlled congress and in the minds of voters don't you think that "control" equals "ability to do something"?

Rice does nothing to help McCain on the economy imo.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:35:17 PM EST
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I see your point.  I was so excited when the Democrats retook Congress.  I volunteered so many hours on the McCaskill campaign here in MO.  As the months passed and it became apparent that nothing was going to happen with Iraq I got pretty angry.  Odds are I am setting myself up to be let down again if a Democrat wins the White House.


by Xris on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:38:18 PM EST
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"""I honestly have no idea how much she helps or hurts.  If McCain goes that route he is really tying himself to the Iraq War and the Bush Administration."""

That doesn't worry McCain, considering that we're trumpeting the '100 year war' line over and over.

He is ALREADY tied to the Bush admin.  The benefits of having a black...and a woman...on his ticket would easily overcome the detriments of having Bush's SOT on his ticket...this is bad news for us.

We need to find a way to drive a wedge between those two.


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by switching sides on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:48:38 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

I agree with what Xris said, but to add to it, both Clinton and Obama did offer bills to withdraw.

He: the Iraq War De-Escalation Act
She: Iraq Troop Reduction & Protection Act

Neither went anywhere, which basically supports what Xris is saying. But I do agree with you, the Dems' message machine was pretty weak. The GOP had over a decade to refine their messaging, especially how to push it into the MSM narrative. We can only hope the Dems get it together in the coming years.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:40:29 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

Pelosi or Reid have the power to end the funding for the Iraq War by themselves.  All they have to do is pull the funding bills off the floor something they could have done from the day the Democratic Congress took over!  There is no need for sixty votes.  In fact they only need sixty votes to carry out their version of pulling out of Iraq not to end the war.


by orionwest on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:48:54 PM EST
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Come to think of it - (none / 0)

you are correct.  Time and time again I heard the talking heads say:  the Dems didn't do anything about it, did they?  It's all quickshot - just get the message out (and they did) - there will be no nuance.  Forget truth - that's the first casualty of the Iraq War.  also heard - Congress ratings worse than the President constantly from the press.  And not showing any difference between the sides.  

Look at the way the war is now on Hillary's shoulders in certain quarters rather than bush - on and on and on.

   


by Xanthe on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:32:32 PM EST
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Plus, I think Obama can be successful linking economic woes to the Iraq debacle.  

Something like, "Hey, you know if we weren't tossing a gazillion dollars a day down the toilet that is Iraq, maybe we could fix some shit up around here, eh?"


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by fogiv on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:39:19 AM EST
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I wouldn't put too much stock in the polls for either of them against McCain right now.  Given the brutal beating they have given each other this year and the lack of attention being paid to McCain's negatives, the current polling is to be expected.  McCain should be worried it isn't BETTER.  Look at it this way.  Once a nominee is decided and the winner can DRASTICALLY outspend McCain, you'll see numbers start to change.  Obama sounds like he will run a true 50 state campaign, which will help to stretch McCain thin and help all our down ticket races... meanwhile Hillary's 50%+1 GE strategy will see OODLES of money spent in the swing states she targets like Ohio and Florida.  And BOTH together could raise upward of $200-250 MILLION for the GE... Drool......


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by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:56:55 PM EST
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Obama's not going to run a 50 state campaign. We see evidence of that already with him about FL and MI. And he keeps giving the GOP a club to beat himself over the head with. Speding money doesn't equal votes either. He's outspent Hillary in states and couldn't win in Dem primaries.

Obama will not help downticket races here in GA. He'll probably cause a few reps to lose their seats as it stands right now unless they can successfully separate themselves from him and his candidacy.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:23:40 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

Wow you are pessimistic.  I personally think both Clinton or Obama will be great for our party come November, I just prefer Obama at this point.


by Xris on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:28:22 PM EST
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Sorry, but I see how Obama's creating lots of resentment. Besides, it's GA. Do you really think either one will win down here? It would take a massive implosion of McCain for either one to carry GA.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:33:23 PM EST
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I don't agree with your idea that Obama is creating resentment.  This has been a battle royale for our nomination so its natural that supporters from the Clinton side would be angry at how things have turned out.  If the roles were reversed I am sure the Obama side would be pissy too.  

You are dead on about GA, if Obama (or clinton for that matter) somehow won GA then it was the beginning of an electoral college landslide.


by Xris on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:35:14 PM EST
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He's created resentment by his attitude not the battle for the nomination. Telling Hillary to "get out" was a divisive tactic that made a lot of women mad. Why do you think 1/3 of the party will probably defect? Obama has done nothing but tick lots of dems off with his condescending attitude.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:39:29 PM EST
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she has done the same thing to people on my side.  Clinton supporters do not have a monopoly on bruised feelings and resentment.  I am not making excuses for people on my side saying dumb things, but you need to realize your side has been equally nasty.  

1/3 of the party will not defect, we are in the middle of a heated primary and the Clinton side is more angry than the Obama side atm.  Will some people from both sides jump ship if their candidate does not win?  Of course some will, but I have faith we will win regardless.

We also need to remember that one of these two is going to be our nominee so we better hope we can bury the hatchet and start working together.  McCain is a good candidate for the Republicans and we will need a united party to beat him.


by Xris on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:43:54 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

Oh, I have no doubt there are plenty of Obama supporters who want her to drop out so that he can be unchallenged. The problem is that there aren't as many Obama supporters who will defect as there are Hillary supporters so apparently she hasn't been as bad.

I'm willing to bet that 1/3 of the party will defect. It's not just the Obama supporters that are the problem, it's the campaign that's the problem. Lots of voters don't like the south side of chicago style of Obama and his campaign. Lots of people just don't see him as qualified and there's nothing that he can do about that. Lots of people don't like it implied that they are racists if they don't support Obama. It makes people want to give him a shellacking at the polls. And people can justify voting for someone else because of the divided government argument. I've thought that our chances of taking the WH became a lot slimmer after we took the house and senate in 2006. Obama doesn't connect with lots of voters either. He comes off as too aloof and elitist, much the same problem Kerry had.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:04:11 PM EST
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"The problem is that there aren't as many Obama supporters who will defect as there are Hillary supporters so apparently she hasn't been as bad."  that is because she is losing and people on her side are mad.  Obama supporters are much more gracious atm than Clinton supporters because they do not think they will really have to choose between McCain or Clinton.  Once this primary is over most of the party will come back together.  Obviously if it looks like either side screwed the other one over then there will probably be massive defections.

The rest of your response is basically pure opinion.  I am not saying you are wrong, but the polls and primary results do not reflect that a majority of people feel the same.  He wouldn't be leading in every measurable category or have the donor support he has if regular people thought he was aloof or elitist.  I think Clinton is a stereotypical politician who will say whatever she thinks will get her votes regardless of principles.  I also do not like getting reminded all the time that one of the reasons she is losing is because men like me are secretly women haters.  See I can project as well:)

Now the divided government argument does make sense, and I had the same feeling when we won back Congress in 06.  That may end up being the biggest hurdle standing between Clinton or Obama on the road to the White House.


by Xris on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:17:39 PM EST
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I don't think it has anything to do with winning or losing. I wasn't attached to any candidate and Obama still turned me off. Lots of women voters feel that way due to Obama's attitude toward women. Obama supporters gracious? Hardly. They were calling for Clinton to drop out even before the first vote was cast in IA. Right now it looks like Obama is going to screw over the voters in two states. That is causing a lot of defections and he is unlikely to rectify the situation. He's turned down offers for revotes.

Kerry was leading and he was seen as aloof and elitist was he not? Dem primary voters don't have a problem with an aloof and elitist candidate apparently. Nightline reported the other night that Obama went to a chocolate factory in PA and turned his nose up at a chocolate sample. Then he went and tasted meat that cost $100.00 per pound. He asked for goat cheese.

Is Clinton a politician? Yes, and so is Obama. Obama tries to be all things to all people. That's another problem I have with him. When he's out west he says that he supports gun rights yet when he was in the Il Senate he voted against people being able to defend themselves in their own homes. He tells whatever group he's in front of what they want to hear. What does he stand for besides trying to win the Dem primary? Nothing that I can see. He's Kerry pt. 2.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:29:07 PM EST
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With the amount of money they have and time spent in Washington, the idea that Clinton is somehow more "normal" than Obama is ridiculous to me.  He is still the poorest senator in all of the Senate and is nothing like Kerry.  

I also do not get how you can be angry at Obama because some of his supporters said something stupid before Iowa.  Clinton supporters have said dumb things as well, does that mean I should not support her if she is the nominee?

Once and for all, it is not Obama's fault that the DNC ruled the way they did.  If you want to be pissed at someone get mad at Howard Dean and the representatives from Michigan and Florida.  Obama said he was not comfortable with a vote by mail.  He has never opposed a real revote, it has been the state legislators who have drug their feet.  

It sounds to be that you just don't like Obama and that is perfectly fine.  I didn't like Kerry and I do not like Clinton, but I voted for the former and would gladly vote for the latter.  In the end it is not a personality contest to me, I just want the Democratic candidate to win in November.  


by Xris on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:43:46 PM EST
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The "poorest senator"? LOL. That's not a selling point. They're all wealthy. Obama's problem isn't the time he has or has not spent in Washington.

I'm not angry at the supporters I'm just refuting your point that they're "gracious" because they aren't.

Obama can rectify the situation in MI and FL. He chooses not too. He should quit blaming the DNC and work to resolve the problem. He has opposed everything but a caucus which is the least democratic way of voting. Why support a caucus and not a vote by remail? Because he's afraid of secret ballots apparently. That's the only conclusion I can come to.

Well, I do want Democrats to win but Obama comes across as someone who would be a bad president. I see him as another Carter that sets us back 25 years or more. He even has Carter's national security team. That team cost us election after election.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:01:47 PM EST
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Who was asking HRC to drop out before Iowa?


by interestedbystander on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:58:30 AM EST
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1/4 of the party WILL defect...and we're (2.00 / 2)

NOT going to come back to "bury the hachet and start working together."

You really need to start understanding that.


by Shazone on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:51:55 PM EST
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Re: 1/4 of the party WILL defect...and we're (none / 0)

Then go already....  The threats are getting old...

I'm sorry but I am really getting tired of hearing time and again Clinton supporters threatening to up and leave if Obama gets the nomination.  I'm tired of hearing it on the other side too.

I'm voting Democratic in November regardless...  They could nominate anyone this side of Mark Penn and they have my vote.  

So fine, I understand.  Your feelings are hurt.  That stinks, but there is also apparently nothing I can do about it.  Having read post after post saying that "we are leaving and not coming back", clearly your minds are made up.

So, if you want to leave the party, that's your decision.  I'm done cajoling people to vote Democratic.  For a lot of reasons it is the right thing to do, but hey, it isn't for everybody.

Do whatever makes you happy.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:08:44 PM EST
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Thanks...we will. (none / 0)

Only reason we haven't "gone" yet is that the election isn't until November when we will all vote for Hillary - whether as the Dem nominee or as a write-in.

Until then...you're stuck with us.


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:47:27 AM EST
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Re: Thanks...we will. (none / 0)

and after that, we are stuck with McCain, I suppose...

I mean seriously though, is this blackmail...?  Give Hillary the nomination or else?  What if, by every metric, popular vote, delegate count, and total states won, Obama is in the lead?  We should ignore all of that and give Clinton the nomination or you will leave?

What if the reverse is true, if Clinton leads in all metrics available but Obama supporters shout, give him the nomination or we will leave?

Honestly, if you want to leave, leave.  Do what is right by your own measure.  If the country goes to H3ll in a handbasket as a result, I guess you can be assured that you "did the right thing", even if the country suffers as a result of your "right thing".

Like I said, I am done begging people to support Democrats.  You either do or you don't.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:19:42 AM EST
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We are voting first as Americans.... (none / 0)

and we Americans for Hillary SERIOUSLY do not believe that BO is ready for the job of POTUS.  Plain and simple.  

In fact, we are so concerned with his lack of experience, his lack of preparation and his ego-centered (versus voter-centered) campaign that should he win the nomination, we will not vote for him.

I'm sorry that we don't see your candidate the same way we do.  But this country is in great turmoil after 8 years of another ego-centered, empty suit (as in no experience/no preparation) that we simply cannot turn it over to another 4 years of ignorance.

Sorry.


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:28:10 AM EST
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Re: We are voting first as Americans.... (none / 0)

My candidate is the Democrat.  I don't care if it is Obama or Clinton or Santa Claus....  I am voting for the Democrat.

If you don't want to do that, fine then don't.

But quit with the "give her the nomination or we will leave" pseudo-blackmail stuff.  


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:44:01 AM EST
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We are NOT blackmailing..we're (none / 0)

...simply stating a fact.  We have no illusion that you will ever provide positive support for HRC and will only vote for her as a last resort.

But we are concerned that Obama supporters truly do not "get it" the flip side.  A lot of HRC supporters will not come flocking back to BO if he is given the nomination, and it will serve you well to realize that.  If you don't, then you will lose in November because you and your candidate will fail to recognize this important fact.

I get yelled at all the time - but when I ask a serious BO question, all of a sudden there is silence on your side.  

Yesterday I asked - seriously - for someone to explain to me how BO really intends to go for UHC when his chief advisor is the Dem who singlehandedly stopped the Clinton health care plan in the '90s...and happily takes credit for that destruction. The response to my question?  SILENCE.

I was challenged to prove that what Ferraro said was identical to what BO himself said...and I provide the link from BO's own website as requested and asked for comment.  The response?  SILENCE.

Why do BO supporters stop talking when there is a serious question asked?  Maybe because you have no answers to provide to seriously asked questions....or, at least it seems that way.

When we tell you that we do not think your person is qualified for the job...we're serious.  And instead we get told to leave.

Please, take what's going on seriously...that's all we are asking.


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:26:08 AM EST
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Re: We are NOT blackmailing..we're (none / 0)

who is this "we" that you represent...  I am just curious.

And, I say again..  I am voting for the Democrat.  I made up my mind on that over a decade ago... straight-ticket Democratic voter.  I don't have "a person"...  I have several... every election year I have several.  And, to be honest, I was concerned with what was going on...  I was worried about it.  But then I remembered my understanding of free-will and quit worrying.  Voters will do whatever voters do.  If it's good or the country, great, but a lot of times, it's not.  I have lived with that for quite a while.

When I told you to leave, it was as a result of seeing you say that you were going to anyway.  If you are going to anyway, who am I to try to stop you?  

I hope I have company, but if I don't that's fine too... I will do with my vote what I want, and other people can do what they want with theirs.

The vitriol works on both sides...  I rarely get yelled at but also rarely get answers to substantive questions about candidates either.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:39:18 AM EST
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There are a number of other sites.... (none / 0)

that I go to with good sized memberships where the conviction about not voting for Obama because of his lack of experience is very very pronounced.  People here of that persuasion are just the tip of a large ice berg.

That's who I mean when I say "we".  Although I shouldn't speak for others.


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:44:30 AM EST
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Re: There are a number of other sites.... (none / 0)

That's fine, like I said, I was just curious...

I have seen comments like that on both sides on any number of progressive sites...

The only comments that really turned my head were on hillaryis44 where a couple of posters were advocating voting GOP down ticket as well to send a message to the Democratic party and/or make Congress more difficult to work with if Obama won the Presidency.  I can understand not wanting to vote for Obama or not wanting to vote for Clinton, but I cannot understand voting for the GOP to send any kind of a message.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:32:02 PM EST
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"We're" not advocating that...but we... (none / 0)

won't give a dime to the DNC and we're telling them that loud and clear.


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:51:26 PM EST
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Re: "We're" not advocating that... (none / 0)

Out of curiosity again, why won't you give money to the DNC...?

This is the fund-raising arm for down-ticket Democrats...  I mean, you could send money to the individual downticket Dems rather than the DNC, I suppose, but with holding fiscal support from the DNC will make electing Democrats a bit tougher.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:57:36 PM EST
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DNC = Dean, Brazile, MI and FLA. (none / 0)


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:12:08 PM EST
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Re: DNC = Dean, Brazile, MI and FLA. (none / 0)

Ah...

I have no problem with Dean...  don't usually listen to Brazile (still sore with her over the 2000 race).

MI and FL are a mess...  but I pretty much got over my rancor when the decision was made.  It was local news for us, obviously, so I was paying attention throughout.  I don't agree with the decision the DNC made, but I don't agree with MI and FL moving up their primaries when they knew the consequences either...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:34:10 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

Xris,
Hillary started a campaign running against the Repubs.  Obama and other Dems started attacking her, her numbers slipped (polls and votes) and the game changed.  
Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:39:16 PM EST
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Well as she was already vetted, it shouldn't have been a problem should it?  Turned out it was.  Better find out now than in the GE.


by interestedbystander on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:00:58 AM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

Of course, they're pessimistic. This is the liberal blogosphere.
An optimistic progressive on a progressive web site? It's you against the world.
BTW, when the GOP starts to really look weak, they have nominated women or minorities in the past.
OOps! Sorry about that This is the liberal blogosphere. NO OPTIMISM OR RATIONAL, OBJECTIVE ANALSYS BASCKED UP BY HISTORY ALLOWED.

by spirowasright on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:13:36 PM EST
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1)  Yes, he WILL run a 50 state campaign.  He has shown THAT all primary season long.

2) He lost several states that WILL go DEM regardless in 2008.  I'm not worried he lost Cali or NY at all.  And NO WAY McCain takes NJ or Mass either.  

3) He outspent her in states he WON as well.  That arguement works BOTH WAYS.  

4) You may be from Georgia, but you are DEAD WRONG on his not being able to win down state races.  And if you think Hillary has a BETTER shot, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.  Real cheap.


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by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:54:28 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

If he wanted a 50 state strategy he would support revotes in MI and FL. He doesn't so it's a 48 state strategy not 50.

MA-Two Words: Deval Patrick. He ran the same campaign as Obama and has apparently been a disaster. He certainly would have to spend money defending the state as it stands now.

Did I say that Hillary has a better shot? No, I said both will lose but Obama will do more downticket damage. There's tons of people in some of these disticts will come out to vote against Obama post Wright. And they will want to vote against anyone associated with him too. Scott and Lewis are the only ones in majority black districts that wouldn't be damaged by Obama.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:11:57 PM EST
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Do you have any polls to support the downticket damage idea?  Also, why is Obama rising in the polls if the Wright stuff was supposedly so devastating?


by Xris on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:20:02 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

He's not rising in the polls. He and Hillary are pretty much tied with McCain. Both of them are losing in the EC.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:31:52 PM EST
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There is already signs (none / 0)

that Obama supporters didn't bother with the down ticket races in Texas. Google "Many Obama voters ignored other Texas primary races" and you should come up with the article on it.


by LatinoVoter on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:53:42 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

And NO WAY McCain takes NJ or Mass either

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Ob ama/Maps/Apr06.html

hmmm, I am a Mass resident and this shocks the carp out of me.

Mass:  Obama 48%
McCain:  45%

whereas the Clinton McCain matchup shows

Mass:  Clinton 55%
McCain: 39%

tells ya something and it is not racism.  We've already heard about the "Change you can believe in" message and now we got nothing.

Patrick had the same campaign manager, Axelrod, the same message as Obama and all he cares about is his casinos, which got shot down.  And that is in a state with a democratic majority legislature.


by colebiancardi on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:13:20 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

  What a joke. Obama is not even now, running a 50 state campaign. This strategy will backfire in GE. I don't understand why people assume McCain won't raise money once we have a nominee. Just wait, if Obama is chosen, there will be money pouring into McCain's campaign.


by RC01 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:39:23 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

Well Since McCain HASN'T been able to raise money against the scary spectres of Obama or Clinton, then your arguement has pretty much been debunked.  If he was going to raise money HE'D BE DOING IT NOW.  Hillary is a MUCH more hated person by the republicans.  I'm not saying that Obama WON'T be nearly as hated by the end of it, but she STILL takes the cake.  

Obama has run in EVERY primary state except for three, OK, MI and FL  either through offices, visits or ad buys.  MI and FL are obvious, and OK because of the big Clinton lead in polls.  And for the record, I'm not 100% sure about OK as I think he did have a small ad buy and an office there.  he is a FIRM proponent of the Howard Dean approach and it WILL be the winning strategy in Novemeber.

THE ONLY way it won't happen is if Obama does take public financing, which he won't do.  Otherwise, given McCain has already applied for and will be taking GE public financing, he is limited to 90 mill in the GE.  

Obama has the fundraising chops and organizational skills to run a 50 state strategy.  He won't WIN them all, but the more he forces the RNC and McCain to defend and the closer the races are made, the better he will do and the more downticket races will be helped.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:02:33 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

   Even if Mc Cain takes public financing, there won't be limits for 527 adds on his behalf. Hillary won't unite them nearly as much as Obama will, because if there is one thing that Americans everywhere will rally around is a patriotic man who served his beloved country with honor particularly if it is against a perceived unpatriotic, little known newcomer who seems to have hung around all the wrong crowd for the past 20 years. It won't be pretty, we will miss the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.


by RC01 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:37:22 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

I think you are vastly underestimating the misogyny of the Republican party...  women in power scare the beejusus out of them,... Clinton or no Clinton.  Although, her negatives among Republicans certainly do not help...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:13:37 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

  Well, if Hillary wins the nomination and Condi gets to be VP, what would be the alternative to the misogynists (dems and repugs) out there? It sure would make for an even more fun election to watch.


by RC01 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:26:02 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

Rice is not a candidate for veep.  McCain will not choose her.

He's going to go with a white man probably southern with solid conservative credentials.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:28:30 PM EST
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Heck of a job, Obamaphiles! (2.00 / 1)

The Repugs will get credit for the first woman and the first AA to reach the "executive suite".


by Shazone on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:47:09 PM EST
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Re: Heck of a job, Obamaphiles! (none / 0)

I cannot believe people are actually buying into this...

Oh, and I have not changed my mind, Obamaphiles is still insulting...

McCain is not going to give veep to Condi Rice.  Not going to happen.  He is older making his veep choice pretty darned important.  I don't care how open minded his advisers are, she may be on the short list, but she will not get the nod.  Republicans do not like women with power.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:15:51 PM EST
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Well, Repugs know how to treat their... (none / 0)

female candidates a lot better than progressives.  Actually, they're coming across as the party that supports women, not the Dems.


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:45:14 AM EST
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Re: Well, Repugs know how to treat their... (none / 0)

Are you smoking something....?  And if so, please share...

This is the party that demonized both Hilary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi...  because they were liberals...?  Heck no, because they were women.  I would ask my conservative friends why Hillary had become the "most hated Democrat" over Ted Kennedy...  but I told them not to insult my intelligence by saying it's because she's female.  They could not point to anything.

But, given up thread you already said you were leaving the Democratic party, and by this comment you seem to think the Republicans treat women better, although that's debatable given two SCOTUS rulings that negatively impacted women directly and were decided on Republican appointees, I guess there is a home for you.


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by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:25:51 AM EST
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Are you having trouble reading this AM? (none / 0)

I said Repugs know treat their female candidate better (you know...with respect??) and they are "coming across" as the party that supports women, not dems.

Women have voted in greater numbers for repugs in recent elections and they will again this time because of the hateful way that progressives/Dems have treated the first qualified women to run for POTUS in history.  And some independent women will turn repug too, for the very same reason.

And I don't smoke - anything!


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:33:19 AM EST
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Re: Are you having trouble reading this AM? (none / 0)

They are not "coming across" as the party that treats women better.  Look at their policies... As bad as the vitriol has been toward Clinton from Obama supporters, it is worse from Republicans....  it may not be at this moment, because they prefer her as the nominee, but should she get the nomination, you will see their true colors.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:47:26 AM EST
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I am not talking about Repug treatment... (none / 0)

of Clinton.

I'm talking about Repug treatment of Repug women candidates versus Dem treatment of Clinton.  Repugs treat their female candidates with respect - not vile hatred and lies.


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:28:16 AM EST
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Re: I am not talking about Repug treatment... (none / 0)

I would argue that the presumption is that the Republican candidate knows her place...  You have pro-choice Republican women who vote for pro-life bills... because the leadership fairly well demands it...unity in that party is rewarded... dissension is not allowed.  I don't think that is treating any of the candidates with respect.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:02:16 PM EST
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All I can say is that Free Rubplic (none / 0)

Would poop a brick.  They hate her now because of her reaction to Obama's A More Prefect Union.


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by Student Guy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:46:56 PM EST

Re: All I can say is that Free Rubplic (none / 0)

Forgot about that... Ooh she might DEPRESS the base.  EXCELLENT!


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by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:53:27 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 3)

This will appeal to McCain primary supporters.  The media.

david


by giusd on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:47:29 PM EST

Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 2)

Can't picture it. Condi under fire is not a pleasant thing to see, and we saw it in Senate hearings. I can't imagine what she has to bring being part of an incredibly failed administration during which she had about as much impact as a piece of cardboard.  I haven't been able to see what republicans see in her.

On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt to keep reminding people all through the campaign how tied McCain is with Bush.  Everytime you would look at the two of them together, Bush would come to mind, so I'm all for it.  On the other other hand, McCain is pretty old and I sure as hell wouldn't want her as the VP if he were to, well...pass, and have her take over the presidency.  What a horrible thought.  Of course that possibility could be another campaign issue on our side, too.


by Scotch on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:48:31 PM EST

Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

Would be a bad move. Wouldn't help McLame with conservative cred at all, while tying him to Bush's FP and making him look cynical for picking an AA woman.

But, would be a better choice than Romney.


by animated on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:48:38 PM EST

Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

If Hillary is the nominee, all the African Americans who are furious that Obama was robbed may vote McCain just to get an African American VP.


by greenboy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:50:48 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

It depends on the circumstances.  If Obama gets hit with a bad scandal (unlikely), or goes on a long losing streak of all the remaining primaries, then it won't be as much of a stretch.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:52:12 PM EST
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If Hillary is the nominee (none / 0)

than there is about a 99.99999% chance that Obama will be her VP.


by linc on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:52:57 PM EST
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Re: If Hillary is the nominee (none / 0)

Obama would be dumb to accept. Hillary is guaranteed to lose without him, especially with an African American on the other side. Obama would run for governor and come back in 2012.


by greenboy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:56:30 PM EST
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Oh god (2.00 / 1)

you think that, I doubt Obama does.  


by linc on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:01:05 PM EST
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Re: Oh god (none / 0)

I think Obama would be pushed into the VP slot . . . if it came to that. He would get all the national glory, but none of the blame if the dream ticket would lose.


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by Veteran75 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:07:25 PM EST
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Re: If Hillary is the nominee (none / 0)

Um...I'm sure Obama loves his country and his party enough that he would not set her up for failure. That's an extremely unhelpful thing to even suggest.

In the hypothetical event that Obama is offered the VP and declines, I can only assume it's for personality reasons, not because he's secretly rooting for 4 years of McCain.

Ugh.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:10:49 PM EST
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Oh, LOL! (2.00 / 1)


by Shazone on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:59:51 PM EST
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Re: Oh, LOL! (2.00 / 1)

You know, I was trying to discourage a fellow Obama supporter from threatening the "Tonya Harding" option, and even then, you couldn't resist the urge to post a smart-ass remark. You're apparently so eager to start flame wars with people that you don't even realize when they're trying to keep the peace.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:35:26 PM EST
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Sorry - but it was this line that made... (none / 0)

me LOL:

"I'm sure Obama loves his country and his party enough that he would not set her up for failure."


by Shazone on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:49:44 AM EST
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Re: If Hillary is the nominee (2.00 / 1)

   Obama would be dumb NOT to accept a VP position. A man with such a thin resumee would not accept the easiest path to the presidency? In what planet? I don't know why some people propagates this fallacy.


by RC01 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:46:43 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

I think Condi would hurt him MORE than Romney... but BOTH are great choices.  And if Clinton is Obama's VP, she will tear COndi or Romney apart.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:50:51 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

Well, this could very well GUARENTEE an Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket.  As far as I know though Condi doesn't have great favorables... She ISN'T taking the black vote from Obama and even if Clinton isn't a part of the ticket, I'm going to bet that she doesn't take much if any of the women vote.  Further more, she FURTHER ties McCain into Bush, she has NO campaigning skills whatsoever and I'm betting some of those who won't vote for an AA or a Woman under ANY circumstance stay home.  

So PLEASE bring Condi along... it won't take long to show JUST what a liability she truly is.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:49:50 PM EST

Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

I also think the 9/11 commision report would hurt her. But if Hillary is the nominee Dems can't use that against her because it will look like a white woman questioning a black woman's competence & that wont play since blacks are already furious with the Clintons. But if Obama is the nominee, he'll be free to question Rice's competence all he wants.  


by greenboy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:54:35 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

Plus...and I don't don't mean to be dredging up rumors here...but there similar whispers about her as there are about Charlie Crist. Which would definitely be anathema to the religious nutjob crowd.


by animated on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:58:32 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

Gay Rumors?


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:05:36 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (2.00 / 1)

She'd take away white women away from Obama, and blacks from Clinton. She'd is probably a bigger threat to Obama than to Hillary. My sense tells me that only a few blacks will vote for a Republican because he/she is black. But quite a few Democratic white women will vote for a Republican women.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:11:29 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

Not a chance.  There isn't even POLLING evidence to suggest that.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:06:18 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

It concerns me from a strategic point of view.

It could hurt Obama and HRC for different reasons, but it could also help Bob Barr's Libertarian run. This sounds awful, BUT . . . die-hard conservatives dislike McCain . . . I don't think it would help (in their eyes) if he picks a BLACK FEMALE as his running mate. That is sick to think . . . but it would pull votes from McCain to Bob Barr.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:55:14 PM EST

Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

It would hurt Hillary but it would not hurt Obama. No way the black community supports Condi over Obama, and I don't think women would either. All it would do would deny McCain the chance to capture the racist vote and allow Obama to dominate the South since racist whites stay home and blacks turn out for him in droves.


by greenboy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:59:10 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

I think you are dreaming. The Southern States are big military supporters.  Which Southern States do you think Obama would win?

And as for women, a lot of them will be jumping ship anyway if Hillary doesn't get the nomination, and even more if Condi is on the ticket.

I think this would be a formidable Republican ticket against either Obama or Hillary.


by markjay on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:24:23 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

Why would more Bob Barr votes be bad. Neither McCain nor Obama nor Clinton would lose to Barr.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:07:16 PM EST
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Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

More votes to Bob Barr are  . . . less votes to McSame.

Good thing!


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:11:43 PM EST
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Dumb move on McCain's part (none / 0)

if this were to happen.  McCain is trying to RUN away from Bush.  Condi on the ticket means he would be TIED to Bush.


by puma on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:57:41 PM EST

Re: Dumb move on McCain's part (none / 0)

Nah. He says no one has supported Bush more than him. Said it just the other day in fact.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:09:39 PM EST
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She is my second choice to Romney (2.00 / 1)

Oh I hope Romney is McCain's veep.  It might put NV out of play but the religious right hates Mitt.  The media hates Mitt, Animals hate Mitt, In fact Humanity Hates Mitt.  Though on a plus side Tagg won't have to enlist and get shipped off too Iraq.


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by Student Guy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:59:03 PM EST

Re: *Breaking* Uh Oh...Condi Rice for VP? (none / 0)

She's just a big anchor named "Iraq Failures," and if McCain wants that around his neck, whatever, it's his call.


by Addison on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:02:31 PM EST

Trial balloon (none / 0)

Not sure how this would go over with the conservatives.

She has called herself "mildly pro choice."
Also, I believe she supported affirmative action policies while at Stanford.


by highgrade on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:03:25 PM EST

Condi a Powerful Pick for McCain (none / 0)

I've been saying for a long time that Condoleeza Rice would make McCain almost unbeatable in the fall. If the Democrats choose Obama as their nominee, disappointed white women will defect to McCain. If the Democrats chose Clinton, disappointed blacks will defect to McCain. I think McCain choosing Rice as VP would be a brilliant move. Since I think Obama is going to win the nomination, I actually think Kay Bailey Hutchinson will be McCain's optimal pick.

A long time ago I read a study which showed that in general elections, Republican women were the strongest candidates. Democratic men came in second, and Democratic women lost most often. However, more recent studies indicate that Democratic women now run strongest for legislative type seats. Republican women run strong in general elections, but have a tough time winning Republican primaries.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:07:21 PM EST

Re: Condi a Powerful Pick for McCain (none / 0)

I want to make sure I am understanding you correctly . . . when did a Republican woman run in a GE?

Are you talking about Congressional Elections?


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:10:08 PM EST
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Re: Condi a Powerful Pick for McCain (none / 0)

As I recall they studied, congressional, state legislature, and statewide races.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:21:40 PM EST
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Re: Condi a Powerful Pick for McCain (none / 0)

Yes, but who did the study?  Are their corroborating studies?  Has it been vetted by academic journals? Many studies are pretty much bullshit.  They need to be vetted.


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by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:11:10 PM EST
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Re: Condi a Powerful Pick for McCain (none / 0)

Hutchinson is a name I've been hearing a lot, but I think his ideal choice, for many women who will be disappointed if Hillary is not the nominee, is Christine Todd Whitman. Rice? She might work for him; I can see some cross-over votes for her, although I think Whitman would be a better choice for his ticket.
by yogi41 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:29:30 PM EST
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Re: Condi a Powerful Pick for McCain (none / 0)

Christine Todd Whitman i had not even consider her since she has been out of the picture lately.  Ooch.  Could McCain think he could steal NJ.  Is Whitman still popular in NJ.  

Where have you heard this.

david


by giusd on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:32:29 PM EST
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Re: Condi a Powerful Pick for McCain (none / 0)

I'm sorry, but how about providing some polling or other proof beside one hypothetical study  to support your hypothesis.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:09:12 PM EST
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There is no way (none / 0)

I am an AA, and although I would never presume to speak for all other AA's, I find it an unbelievable proposition that AA's would support McCain under any circumstances. If anything, AA's may simply stay home, but the chasm between the AA community and the GOP is much too deep. It would take something more than simply wanting to spite Hillary for the AA community to support McCain.

Furthermore, I don't buy this idea that Condi would make the ticket any stronger. McCain's weakest point is with the conservative wing of his party. Selecting a pro-choice, pro affirmative action (not to mention an AA AND a female), probably would not sit well with many in the party.


by highgrade on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:17:25 PM EST
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This is a hoax....right? (none / 0)

This can't be true, and if it is whoooo hooooo!  Condi brings nothing to the republicans (she is a lesbian) and that will not sit well with the religious right--the neo cons would not care, but the religious right would sit on their hands come November. This would surely be a situation  in which bigotry is used for the greater good.

By the way, AA aren't that dumb, by having another AA candidate does not mean that we will be confused and might touch the wrong button on the voter machine.

This has got to be a hoax, I mean his vp has to be someone who MAY be president within 4 years--if he lives that long.


summer is for swimming
by susu1969 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:12:38 PM EST