Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama's presidential campaign on Saturday repudiated a liberal talk show host's description of Sen Hillary Clinton as a big f*cking whore, a comment made to an audience of Obama supporters.

Randi Rhodes, host of a nationally syndicated radio program that is based in New York City, was warming up the crowd Friday at a $100 (64)-a-person fundraiser for the San Francisco supporters of Obama supporters when he tagged the presidential candidate as a a "big f*cking whore."

Rhodes acknowledged using the phrase "big f*cking whore," in a telephone interview Saturday. She said she has used the phrase many times with Obama supporters to describe her assessment that the Senator is vile and unworthy of respect.

"She votes like a big f*cking whore. She acts like a big f*cking whore. She an advocates like a big f*cking whore," Rhodes said. "In my personal definition, she's a big f*cking whore."

Obama was not in the room when Rhodes spoke. Nearly half of Google hits for the event, "an evening with Randi Rhodes," come from Obama's webpages*.

Obama thanked Rhodes and called her "the voice of progressive radio."

But on Saturday, Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement: "Hillary Clinton is not a big f*cking whore and should not be described as such. She's a not even an actual big f*cking whore, but at most a figurative big f*cking whore."

At a campaign appearance in Prescott, Arizona, on Saturday, Clinton said Obama should condemn Rhodes's use of the phrase "big f*cking whore."

"I would hope that in keeping with his commitment that Senator Obama would condemn such language, since it was part of his campaign," Clinton said.

"That kind of language is unnecessary," he said.

Jamie Selzler, director of the California Democratic Party, defended Rhodes. "I'm not going to criticize Randi Rhodes. He gave a rousing speech that got the group excited and we appreciated that he did that," Selzler said. [this part is way too over the top. CDP Chair Art Torres would never defend Rhodes - ed]

*

Anyone else notice a little imbalance here? Can anyone say why Obama will distance himself from a mild yet true insult aimed at a Republican, but not distance himself with an extreme insult aimed at our own side. If I didn't know better, I'd say he doesn't know who the real enemy is.

* - as of yesterday, 6 of 13 Google hits for the phrase were from the BarackObama.com domain. The phrase has since gone viral.


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Tips for sanity (2.00 / 18)


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:05:32 PM EST

Re: Tips for sanity (2.00 / 0)

I'll give you a tip if you fix the errors I point out. Until then, (thick accent) NO TIP FOR YOU!

;)


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:09:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And what 'thick accent' would that be? n/t (2.00 / 3)


by linc on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:35:46 PM EST
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You even have to ask? (none / 0)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3AOmZ2fp s

I thought this was ingrained into American culture.


by grass on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:43:39 PM EST
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That (2.00 / 2)

doesn't make the reference anymore acceptable.
by linc on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:47:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That (none / 0)

You make baby Soup Nazi cry. :(


by grass on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:49:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That (none / 0)

It's a funny reference. Comedy is funny. And how, exactly, is it unacceptable?


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:06:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That (none / 0)

What????!!!!!


by susanclare on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:36:32 AM EST
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Re: That (none / 0)

references to Seinfeld are "unacceptable"?


by BlueinColorado on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:50:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips for sanity (2.00 / 3)

I'm not following here. Did the conversation with Rhodes really happen? Or is the whole article snark? What criticism of Republicans did he distance himself from?


by Little Otter on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:10:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips for sanity (2.00 / 0)

He spliced this from a news release on the John McCain/warmonger thingy. He just replaced that name with Randi Rhodes.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:11:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips for sanity (none / 0)

He missed out that in the article he's comparing the radio host spoke at an event the campaign was actually participating in, and that Randi Rhodes was independently mouthing off.


by grass on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:45:15 PM EST
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but not th first time (2.00 / 1)

she said it, and nothing until someone not in his campaign caught it and the radio station suspended her. She's defending herself, and Obama, who apparently likes her, hasn't distanced himself from her remarks. It's the no standard for him and even bogus standards for her, which is the way it's been going in this nutty race.  It's funny, here is a real chance for Obama to inspire his supporters to repudiate hate speech and he won't.  Why not? Why protect hate speech even if you do like the hate speaker?  And how can  you like someone that divisive and unpleasant. You'd think he hadn't had a mother, didn't have a wife, didn't have daughters, to think there is no consequences to even tacitly endorsing hate speech.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:22:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's snark... (2.00 / 4)

And if you follow the linky, it'll explain what Obama actually said about Ed Shultz going after McCain.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:12:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

James Selzer clearly doesn't even know... (none / 0)

... who Randi Rhodes is.

Are you off your nut?


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:59:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 0)

At a campaign appearance in Prescott, Arizona, on Saturday, Clinton said Obama should condemn Rhodes's use of the phrase "big f*cking whore."

"I would hope that in keeping with his commitment that Senator Obama would condemn such language, since it was part of his campaign," Clinton said.

"That kind of language is unnecessary," he said.

Are we confusing Senator Clinton's gender, or did Obama say that last sentence?

But on Saturday, Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement: "Hillary Clinton is not a big f*cking whore and should not be described as such. She's a not even an actual big f*cking whore, but at most a figurative big f*cking whore."

Yeah, you just made that completely up. Kinda a jerky thing to do.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:08:36 PM EST

It's called snark... (2.00 / 9)

And I find it funny how Obama can go out of his way to kinda-sorta defend McCain whn Ed Shultz bashed him (and rightfully so, I'd add)... But still< I haven't heard a word from him on his #1 radio cheerleader Randi Rhodes hurling personal attacks on Hillary Clinton.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:11:40 PM EST
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Re: It's called snark... (none / 0)

I dunno, I'd never heard of this chick until all this happened. He could certainly say "Yeah, I don't know what that was about, come on, now. We don't need to be causing more divisiveness, we get enough of that at Hillaryis44.org and MyDD.com." I'd totally go for that.

;0


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:18:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OK... (2.00 / 11)

I can't speak for hillaryis44 (I don't even go to that site, it's kind too weird for me), but I will say I haven't seen a diary here (and I have NEVER rec'ed one) calling Obama a "f**ing n***r". Randi Rhodes was WAY OVER THE TOP, and she deserves to be fired from AAR.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:21:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: OK... (2.00 / 0)

Errr, dude... one was on the rec list, just the other day. I know the author was speaking somewhat metaphorically, but it was there. Perhaps you didn't rec it personally?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:22:37 PM EST
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Re: OK... (none / 0)

atdleft, first you say you don't go to Hillaryis44 and then you say it's to weird for you? How can it be to weird for you if you've never been there? You just outed yourself.


by lion king on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:05:45 AM EST
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Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (1.90 / 10)

WHOOSH!

oh, man. you gotta break it down into tiny little pieces for some of these folks, john ;-)


by campskunk on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:14:50 PM EST
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Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 0)

No kidding, skunk! Everytime I hit you with hard questions you skitter off into the distance. Some people just don't get it.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:17:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 8)

I just want to hear Tim Russert say, "big f*ing whore" on Meet the Press. I'd say we're pretty close to that point.


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:17:26 PM EST
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Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (none / 0)

I'll be you do.

And that's exactly what will happen if Obama decides to get involved in this.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:35:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 8)

That boat has likely sailed. Obama should have done away with this already before it was news, but he does not have a record of repudiating the repulsive behavior of his associates on his own.


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:43:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (1.00 / 1)

and Hillary had to waive several days before commenting on Ferraro.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:42:01 AM EST
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Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (none / 0)

He doesn't repudiate their statements, he fires them.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:52:01 AM EST
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Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 3)

I think Chris Matthews is planning to say it next week.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:26:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

lol (2.00 / 2)

He'll just leave out any reference to Randi Rhodes ;)

The SNL routine writes itself.


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:35:44 PM EST
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Re: lol (2.00 / 1)

This was better than SNL John.....
I think when they gave out humor...the Obama crowd said no thank you.

thanks for the laugh


by Patriot2008 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:13:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 6)

A lot of Obama folks are humor-impaired.  So sad.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:42:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (none / 0)

I find the opposite to be true occasionally.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:25:38 AM EST
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Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 4)

I clicked on the link. Genuinely depressing. If he hasn't cleared this up by sometime tomorrow, we're through the looking glass as far as I'm concerned.

This may be the thing that finally ends it for him.


by Little Otter on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:14:24 PM EST

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 1)

Also, the sky is falling!


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:07:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 1)

"This may be the thing that finally ends it for him." ROFL! Just when you think you have read the most ridiculous things here, along comes a little otter with something even more absurd. Yah, Obama's done for.
by jwolf on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:09:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (1.90 / 10)

This was a CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISER for Obama.

He needs to distance himself from Rhodes and he needs to do it now.

And Air American needs to fire her @ss.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:15:43 PM EST

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 8)

He should have already done so. This was a public event for him, not some random supporter talking bullshit. Imagine the outrage if the shoe was on the other foot.


by tabbycat in tenn on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:20:26 PM EST
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Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 0)

The shoe's been on the other foot, if not as vulgar, and you guys enjoyed the hell out of it. Or did the cursing put it over the edge?

http://www.thegoodhuman.com/2008/02/22/o bama-supporters-are-all-prius-driving-bi rkenstock-wearing-trust-fund-babies/

And that denigrates and dehumanizes all of Obama's supporters, not just him. Really classy. Again, I don't know who this gal was- she seems to be in league with Bill O'Reilly, Rush, et all, so I don't have much respect for her (and even less now), but let's keep this in context.

'kay?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:25:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

More imbalance (2.00 / 6)

latte drinking trust fund kids = big f*ing whores?


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:33:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More imbalance (2.00 / 1)

Standing next to someone at a rally for you = having nothing whatsoever to do with a statement?


by Mostly on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:37:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More imbalance (2.00 / 1)

What Mostly said. I'm just trying to understand a set way to judge these things, y'know, for both sides. So, you tell me what the standard is, and we'll apply it.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:38:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 0)

And let me get this straight- your view on how Clinton should have handled Ferraro, or Tom Buffenbarger, et all, was?

Or did you buy into what they said and demand Clinton not apologize in anyway 'cos it was true?

I'm not saying what this gal said was good or right- I don't even know who she is, but that's ridiculous language to use- but if we're going to address this, I want to make we're looking at this thing from the same side.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:21:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ummm... (2.00 / 9)

Hillary asked Geraldine Ferraro to leave. She made sure Bill Shaheen was gone after he made his offensive remarks. When something bad happens in Hill's campaign, she deals with it.

But still, no word from Obama on Randi Rhodes. No word on Gen. McPeak mocking Hillary's emotions and calling Bill Clinton "Joe McCarthy". No word on all the times Obama surrogates called Bill & Hillary racists.

Sure, there have been bad apples on both sides. I just think one side has done a better job of dealing with them.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:25:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm... (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, I'd agree with you there- Obama's side, definitely. You're forgetting good old Tom Buffenbarger from Ohio, or James Carville and the Judas remark, so forth and so on.

It's not good on either side, and I don't play the gotcha game, because it only encourages the other side to do it back over stupid issues like this.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:27:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm... (2.00 / 3)

Oh, so it's okay with you if we call Michelle a big, fucking whore? And you think that's no more offensive than saying someone has a trust fund?

As for James Carville, he went to bat for Samantha Powers and said that she didn't say anything wrong. He's got latitude.


by Little Otter on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:20:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm... (none / 0)

Otter, be at peace, man. You're getting all worked up. We love you anyway, but it's not worth the hate.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:45:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm... (1.60 / 5)

No, Hillary said that Geraldine Ferraro had no position in her campaign, and as such she couldn't be asked to leave.  The next day, Ferraro resigned.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:28:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm... (none / 0)

And now I'm getting troll-rated for making absolutely try and unoffensive statements?  What is going on here?


by Mostly on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:01:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ummm... (2.00 / 1)

Remember when Hillary Clinton stood on the stage while Crazy Bob "Deathtax" Johnson implied Obama was a drug-dealer, and would say anything about it for days, and then finally had Wolfson say something insulting to the intelligence of everyone old enough to vote about how Deathtax Johnson was talking about "community organizing"?

Of course, Deathtax Johnson donates a lot of money.


by BlueinColorado on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:56:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (1.66 / 3)

Alegre, it was not a campaign fundraiser for him and you know it.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:23:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (none / 0)

Caldonia, whoever you are, why don't you explain why you just troll-rated a factual statement without actually saying anything in this thread?


by Mostly on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:02:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 2)

Rhodes definitely needs to get fired, but her nasty remarks were actually said at a fundraiser for a local San Francisco radio station, not for the Obama campaign.

"Comments made by Randi Rhodes were made during a Green 960 Event on March 22nd.  Those in attendance were required to sign up through Green960.com and paid $5 to attend.  Money raised went to Green960."

http://www.green960.com/cc-common/mainhe adlines2.html?feed=213008&article=34 93425


by davisb on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:31:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (1.28 / 7)

I'm troll-rating anyone who repeats the "it was a fundraiser for him" lie.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:36:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

go trollrate todd. (2.00 / 7)

Now, I will say the fact that Randi Rhodes said what she said at an event that was organized to raise money for Barack is further evidence of Rhodes's stunningly poor judgment -- as a public figure who has endorsed Barack Obama -- but it has nothing to do with Barack's judgment. To claim otherwise, quite frankly, is disingenuous.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/4/18158 /09104


by campskunk on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:52:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Todd is wrong on that. (2.00 / 0)

"Comments made by Randi Rhodes were made during a Green 960 Event on March 22nd.  Those in attendance were required to sign up through Green960.com and paid $5 to attend.  Money raised went to Green960."

http://www.green960.com/cc-common/mainhe adlines2.html?feed=213008&article=34 93425


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:54:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are lying again, Alegre. As you often do. (1.00 / 5)

It was a fund raiser for Green960, the radio station.

All money paid for tickets to that event went to Green960.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:02:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 10)

LOL John.  Thanks.  Our times are twisted indeed. Thanks for the laugh.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:26:09 PM EST

Lessons on the internet: (2.00 / 1)

"as of yesterday, 6 of 13 Google hits for the phrase were from the BarackObama.com domain. The phrase has since gone viral."

This is because of posts like this that have gone viral.  Since two days ago, there have been threads saying "look, Randi Rhodes said it for him!  It's on his website!!!!!" click

And that makes it rise on the google page count.  And you guys clicking it are making it rise higher, and then turning around and saying it's Obama's responsibility.

As far as I'm concerned, he can denounce Randi Rhodes or not.  He doesn't need to "distance himself" from it, since it had nothing to do with him, despite lies to the contrary.  If I were him, I'd leave it alone; it would just generate more attention than it deserves.  More people associating Hillary Clinton with "big f*cking whore*.  More time for it to stay in the news.  Do you honestly want that?


by Mostly on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:26:59 PM EST

Once again... (2.00 / 3)

Randi Rhodes, host of a nationally syndicated radio program that is based in New York City, was warming up the crowd Friday at a $100 (64)-a-person fundraiser for the San Francisco supporters of Obama supporters when he tagged the presidential candidate as a a "big f*cking whore."

"I would hope that in keeping with his commitment that Senator Obama would condemn such language, since it was part of his campaign," Clinton said.

...this was a fundraiser for a radio station, not for Obama, and had nothing to do with his campaign. To say otherwise is willfully dishonest. But you know that.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:28:25 PM EST

Re: Once again... (1.50 / 6)

Seriously!  This has been cleared up how many times?  I'm beginning to understand how it was that some people found Daily Kos so "intolerable" - because this slander wouldn't play there for a moment.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:30:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yup. (1.27 / 11)

You can't post obvious lies on Daily Kos and expect to get away without ridicule at a minimum. Here, lying gets you mojo and catapults you to the top of the rec list - but only if it's a lie about Obama.

But hey, Hillary just got caught in another lie, pardon, not-fact-checked anecdote. Why expect her supporters to have higher standards than the candidate herself?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:36:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

For the last time. (1.42 / 7)

THIS WAS NOT A FUNDRAISER FOR HIM.  THIS WAS NOT AFFILIATED WITH HIM IN ANY WAY.

If you guys continue to link him to this, it's because you want him linked to it, not because you're interested in the truth.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:29:27 PM EST

This was an operation by Obama supporters (1.88 / 9)

for Obama supporters. Until my dairy yesterday, 6 of 12 Google hits promoting the event were from the my.barackobama.com community.


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:38:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters (2.00 / 2)

Even Todd, on the FRONT PAGE, called you disingenuous for suggesting that! Hello, McFly?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:39:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters (2.00 / 4)

link please


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:46:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters (2.00 / 4)

Even better:

There's a lot of talk in the diaries about whether the San Francisco event at which Randi Rhodes, doing her best to unite and uplift the nation, called Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro "whores" was an Obama fundraiser, i.e. a sanctioned Obama campaign event. Those who insist that it was, point to a page on barackobama.com promoting the event as proof; the problem with this argument though is that if you look at the url it's technically on my.barackobama.com. Why is this important? Because the point of my.barackobama.com is to allow supporters to organize and create a community on their own. It's no accident that the Obama campaign uses the same online tools as the Democratic Party website does; this is part of the legacy of the Dean campaign.

This event was created by and for Obama supporters using these tools. That's called user-generated, bottom-up people powered organizing. Saying that Obama should be held responsible for what happens at any event organized and promoted through these online tools is akin to holding me, Jerome or Jonathan accountable for every crazy word written in the diaries, which fundamentally misunderstands the point of a community blog -- that it's a community where people are empowered to create content and a community. Barack Obama likes to say that "change happens from the bottom up" and that "this campaign is not about me, it's about you" and quite frankly, his web tools reflect this philosophy.

Now, I will say the fact that Randi Rhodes said what she said at an event that was organized to raise money for Barack is further evidence of Rhodes's stunningly poor judgment -- as a public figure who has endorsed Barack Obama -- but it has nothing to do with Barack's judgment. To claim otherwise, quite frankly, is disingenuous.

Emphasis mine.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:51:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters (2.00 / 2)

There's going to be crickets on your sharp rebuke.


by johnnyappleseed on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:08:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters (2.00 / 2)

Oh, YEAH, you said it!


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:12:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There is no disagreement. (1.80 / 5)

As I mentioned in this diary,

While the event is not tied directly to Obama's staff, Obama supporters publicized the event on the campaign website. A number of Obama supporters from his website were there to inappropriately cheer Rhodes.

Simply, Sen. Obama should renounce Randi Rhodes and chastise Obama supporters in the SF audience who acted inappropriately.

The event itself has does not reflect on Obama's judgment, but his response to Rhodes' comments, and his response to the Obama-supporting crowd does.

Clearly, of Schutlz and Rhodes, Rhodes is the one to be repudiated. In this choice, Obama's judgment isn't very good, is it?

Seriously, does anyone here think Schultz should be repudiated but not Rhodes?


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:13:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is no disagreement. (2.00 / 3)

As I just said a few inches above you there...

Saying that Obama should be held responsible for what happens at any event organized and promoted through these online tools is akin to holding me, Jerome or Jonathan accountable for every crazy word written in the diaries, which fundamentally misunderstands the point of a community blog -- that it's a community where people are empowered to create content and a community.

Again, you were saying? Likes I says, I don't know who this woman is, but I think it's asinine she said those things. But Clinton never repudiated Buffenbarger, Ferraro, et all- the most I would have said was "Hey, c'mon now, there, hey, then." Same with Obama, but let's keep in mind, she didn't do any of that.

Now, I think Obama ought to do it anyway and take the high road, but more along the lines of "We all need to knock this shit off, it's ridiculous, no matter what side it comes from."


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:18:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is no disagreement. (1.50 / 2)

Oh bullshit. That's a campaign sponsored website, funded by the campaign to promote the campaign. Rhodes is a naitonally syndicated talk show host who was invited there by a radio station that has endorsed Obama, to entertain Obama supporters.

It wasn't some random poster on a random board. It was an Obama event.

Just stop and think about this for a moment - wouldn't it actually make you proud of Obama if had the MINIMUM level of integrity to say that he was appalled the rhetoric and asked his supporters to knock it off. but he wont'do that> He'll apologize for another nationally syndicated talk show host insulting John McCain, but "big fucking whore" is okay by him.

This tells you everything you need to know about his values. He doesnt mind women being called by demeaning names, but he does mind other men being insulted. Think about that.


by Little Otter on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:27:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is no disagreement. (2.00 / 1)

Hey, Otter. I was just quoting the front page of MyDD.com.

Are you saying Jerome, Todd, and Johnathan fill your description of not minding about women being called demeaning names? Such hate, my friend... it really is sad to see. I don't know why it has infected you so deeply, but my daughter and I will pray for you in the morning, bud. I know hatred and anger like that has a way of eating you from the inside out, and it's never pleasant to see. You have my best. God Bless, and I'm here if you need to talk- and yes, I'm quite serious. I would be glad to help.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:33:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is no disagreement. (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, but you were associating yourself with remarks, that, as I have pointed out, don't apply here.


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:46:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is no disagreement. (none / 0)

Oh, that is so lame and jejune.


by Little Otter on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:09:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There is no disagreement. (1.50 / 2)

No, I'm serious, Otter. I'm gonna say a prayer for you with my daughter at service in the morning, I really am. I hope you can find your inner peace again. To have this sort of unrational hatred is so sad. I absolutely am serious; I feel for you. You're in our hearts.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:43:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This is getting tedious (2.00 / 2)

and I have the strong sense that you we agree.

Saying that Obama should be held responsible for what happens at any event organized and promoted through these online tools is akin to holding me, Jerome or Jonathan accountable for every crazy word written in the diaries, which fundamentally misunderstands the point of a community blog -- that it's a community where people are empowered to create content and a community.

I think we all agree on the qualifiers here. If most of the publicity for a Michale Richards tirade came from my.hillaryclinton.com or MyDD, all hell would, and should, break loose.

I do disagree with Todd on a minor point, though. The MyDD community is different from a campaign community. The purpose for MyDD is to draw hits from progressives who are here to socialize and debate. Our eyballs on the ads pay for this site.  A community funded by a campaign is significantly different. The funding does not come from Chevron (or whoever), but the Obama campaign, with one goal, to elect Obama.

If 200 people from MyDD went to see Bernie Ward, it would be completely different from 200 Obama supporters from my.barackobama.com going to see one of his biggest cheerleaders. In the first case, Jerome's association is coincidental. In the second case, everyone involved has the same goal, electing Barack Obama and the association is intentional, and campaign cash paid for organizing.


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:33:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is getting tedious (none / 0)

Let's just say that woman is a jerk and go have a beer.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:37:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is getting tedious (none / 0)

peace


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:42:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Right (2.00 / 1)

here.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:52:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Okay. (2.00 / 3)

Let's discuss politically Dumb White People and their embarrassing ways, Progressive Barack Obama Osama Bin Laden, and flim flam artist and friend to bigots and slumlords - Barack Obama and his latest batch of lies and race baiting.

Source: Hillary is 44

That site raises money for Clinton and agitates on her behalf. Where's Clinton's apology for her supporters comparing Obama to a terrorist murderer? Not to mention the racist crap that site posts?

Does Hillary Clinton condone the web site named after her and working for her by her silence?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:47:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Okay. (2.00 / 1)

That, too, is disgusting. We have a long way to go to get a win in November.


by tabbycat in tenn on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:11:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

was this on Clinton's web site? (1.00 / 1)

was this person speaking at a fund raiser for her and did she take the money raised>

Please, what a lame comparison.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:11:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: was this on Clinton's web site? (2.00 / 2)

No kidding, huh? You ignored my other "lame" comparisons. Now, WHO is the lame one?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:13:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: was this on Clinton's web site? (2.00 / 2)

Rhodes was not speaking at an Obama fundraiser and no money was raised for Obama.  The money raised went to a local San Francisco radio station.

"Comments made by Randi Rhodes were made during a Green 960 Event on March 22nd.  Those in attendance were required to sign up through Green960.com and paid $5 to attend.  Money raised went to Green960."

http://www.green960.com/cc-common/mainhe adlines2.html?feed=213008&article=34 93425


by davisb on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:15:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: was this on Clinton's web site? (2.00 / 1)

Obama is responsible for anyone anywhere who says something negative about Hillary.

Hillary is responsible for anyone anywhere saying something negative about Obama.

The media is responsible for giving John McCain long, slow, full body massages. Happy ending optional.

Election 2008! Catch the fever(ish nightmares).


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:51:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Did Obama staff (1.50 / 2)

or anyone in a position of authority with or connected to the campaign post it on his web site?

No.

Hillaryis44.org raises money for Hillary, even going so far to ask all donors to give an additional 44 cents to identify the source. Given the site's un-American rhetoric, Hillary should return that money and apologize for the sentiments of her supporters.

Right?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:19:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Did Obama staff (1.00 / 1)

Hilaryis44 doesn't advertise itself on any board supplied by the clinton campaign nor is it run by anyone who is nationally known. Not the same thing at all.

The event is San Francisco was advertised on the Obama site, organized by Obama supporters, for Obama supporters to benefit a radio station that has endorsed Obama.

Obama will apologize for another nationally syndicated talk show host from the same radio station insulting McCain but won't apologize for Rhodes much uglier diatribe against a fellow Democrat. It tells you everything you need to know about obama's values.


by Little Otter on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:33:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Did Obama staff (2.00 / 2)

Otter's right. Tells you Obama is dedicated to building the Democratic party to be stronger than ever, and competitive in the new online environment, and that unfortunately things he has no control over will happen. Let's all thank Otter for pointing this out to us.

Seriously, Otter, with the hate thing- man, I'm here for you. Let's talk through this hate. It just ain't worth it, man.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:39:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Did Obama staff (2.00 / 1)

You're one to talk.


by Scotch on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:24:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Did Obama staff (none / 0)

I know, that's why I'm trying to help the man! I feel his pain, I really do.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:40:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No. It. Does. Not. (2.00 / 1)

You don't even know that Obama has even heard about this entire episode, just for starters. They guy's busy winning a Presidential election, so you can't really expect him to keep track of whatever is agitating Hillary supporters at a given moment.

What you do know is that anyone can post stuff to Obama's web site. This was pointed out in a front-page post here. It has been pointed out to you specifically numerous times.

So, back to Hillaryis44. Here's what's on their site, other than the odious quote I mentioned (and there's more of that):

Contribute Directly To Hillary Above -- Add .44 cents to the dollar amount of your Hillary For President Campaign contribution in order to let Hillary know of her grassroots support.
Every time the campaign sees .44 cents as part of the contribution, the Campaign will know the contribution comes from the real netroots/grassroots.

Obama didn't get a dime from the Rhodes/Green 960 event. Hillary gets money every day from hatemongers who call Obama Osama. And they know because it's clearly identified as such.

I think Hillary needs to denounce and reject Hillaryis44.org and return every dime of that money. Otherwise, she's giving tacit approval to the entirety of the hate speech on that site.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:54:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No. It. Does. Not. (none / 0)

"Hillary gets money every day from hatemongers who call Obama Osama."

Just like VRC derived terms like Clintonista are never tossed around with abandon by BHO supporters?
 


(can you sing me the song of your lifetime?)/i'll sing for my family as hard as i swing--hwm, blackjaw
by lurch nobody on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:41:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You're comparing (none / 0)

"Clintonista" (which derives from the Clinton White House) with Obama = Osama?

Are you even able to make, like, meaningful comparisons?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:15:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're comparing (none / 0)

They are both derogatory terms.

One is a disgusting and bigoted term used to diminish Barack to the level of a Muslim Manchurian Candidate.

The other is meant to equate, in this instance, Hillary with the FSLN (evil commie bent on destroying the republic).


(can you sing me the song of your lifetime?)/i'll sing for my family as hard as i swing--hwm, blackjaw
by lurch nobody on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:50:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're comparing (none / 0)

Nope.  The term "Clintonista" was coined by CLINTON STAFFERS during the CLINTON'S time in the Whitehouse.  They, uh, actually liked it.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:44:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're comparing (none / 0)

Oh wait, you're right.  I'll remember that everytime I see it used and forget the VRC co-opted it as a "dittohead" slur.


(can you sing me the song of your lifetime?)/i'll sing for my family as hard as i swing--hwm, blackjaw
by lurch nobody on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:20:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No. It. Does. Not. (none / 0)

If he hasn't heard about this yet, then he should get rid of some more of his campaign staff.  Someone on the staff is in charge of telling him thing that could affect his campaign and could come up during his travels, and Rhoades is a celebrity who day after day carries water for him.  If he doesn't know about this, he is up shit creek, and somebody isn't doing his job.


by Scotch on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:23:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No. It. Does. Not. (none / 0)

So then Hillary should get rid of more of her staff after telling a LIE about a young girl who died after supposedly not receiving care at a hospital? I'll wait for your answer.


by lion king on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:09:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ha. (none / 0)

That's right, Obama has to know about what you want him to know about, and if he doesn't, that can only be evidence of bad faith.

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - what a neat setup.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 10:41:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No. It. Does. Not. (none / 0)

Great - prove that the Hillary campaign is promoting that site and that the fame of the proprieter draws attention (as did Rhodes' participation) and you've got something. But as far as I know, it's completely independent of any resources provided by the campaign and there is no one famous attached to it.


by Little Otter on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:13:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Wrong. (none / 0)

How about you prove that the Clinton campaign doesn't know that all those donations with an additional $0.44 don't originate with a site that compares Obama with Osama bin Laden? What, you consider that acceptable discourse among Democrats?

This is politics, friend. Money talks. Hillary needs to address the hate her supporters are spreading. Because as opposed to Obama and Rhodes, she gets money from the haters.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 11:01:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Did Obama staff (none / 0)

But what about the Hillary Clinton supporters in the audience?  How do you explain them?


by kilowatt on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:40:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Liar. (2.00 / 0)

This was a Green960 event, and all money paid for tickets went to Green960, the radio station.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:05:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow. (2.00 / 3)

An entirely accurate statement, and it gets hiderated. Words fail.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:07:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wow. (none / 0)

I think it was b/c the poster said that alegre was lying, like she always does.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 02:14:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (1.00 / 5)

Why is ecveryone demanding that Obama should apologize for everything.

Why doesn't HRC apologize for Ferraro who feels agrieved that a black man would dare to stand in a white womens way.
Has she repuduated this obviously racist surrograte?


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:43:30 PM EST

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 2)

wow - that's one nasty lie you're telling there. Ferraro said nothing even remotely similar to that. What she said was exactly what Kerry said a couple weeks later. And yes, Hillary apologized for what Ferraro said, said she didn't agree with it and fired her.

You are wrong on all counts. That's good news, right?


by Little Otter on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:22:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (none / 0)

You know she didn't fire - Ferrarro stepped down. There is a difference.


by interestedbystander on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:42:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (1.75 / 4)

MyDailyObamaOutrage


Bitter voter for change.
by Hope08 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:20:47 PM EST

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (2.00 / 3)

Google hits for Big Fucking Whore on Barackobama.com:

2

Google Hits for Big Fucking Whore on MyDD.com:

232


by Dumbo on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:42:10 PM EST

Proving nothing: (2.00 / 2)

Google hits for big fucking whore on DailyKos.com:

688


by Pacific John on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:57:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Proving nothing: (2.00 / 2)

Given the size of Kos compared to this little shack in the woods, I don't think I would be too proud of the numerical comparison.
by jwolf on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:19:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (1.66 / 3)

God, when did Democrats become some whiny babies, tattling on one another for the lamest things.

He said this! Wah, she said that. Teacher, make Barry repudiate Randi for calling me names. Teacher, make Hillary tell Markie to stop eating paste, and so on and so forth.

When my kid does this, it's time-outs all around, followed by big hugs and promises of better behavior for the future. Wish I could see that here.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:48:37 PM EST

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (none / 0)

She said "underpants!" Aaaaaa!  I'm telling.


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:55:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL, very amusing. (none / 0)

I didn't realize it was snark until the bit about an Obama aid saying Hillary was, at the most, a figurative big f***ing whore. I'm not sure everyone got it, though. Some people seem pissed.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:22:56 PM EST

Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host (1.50 / 2)

Don't hold your breath, Lettuce - here, the tantrum is KING! They'll all settle down once the Queen has conceded. Who knows, they might even vote for the "Black Hustler", as the lovely Mr. Buchanan would say. (or, the average HillaryIs44 regular).