Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polling

Yesterday, former President Bill Clinton apparently said that his wife's White House hopes hinged in many ways on her ability to with the North Carolina Democratic primary next month. Judging by the latest polling out of the Tarheel state, the omens don't look too good for Hillary Clinton's hopes at the Democratic nomination (at least according to her husband's formulation. Here's Rasmussen Reports:

In North Carolina, Barack Obama has opened up a twenty-three percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that Obama attracts 56% of the vote while Clinton earns 33%. A month ago, Obama's lead was just seven percentage points.

Here's The Charlotte Observer:

Democrat Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton 35 percent to 26 percent among likely voters in North Carolina's May 6 Democratic primary. But nearly four in 10 are still undecided.

Those are among the findings of a new Observer/WCNC Poll.

The overall Pollster.com trend estimate out of North Carolina, which does not include these two new surveys, puts Barack Obama up over Clinton 51.0 percent to 37.6 percent. The Real Clear Politics average, which includes the Rasmussen poll but not the one from The Observer, has Obama up 52.0 percent to 36.0 percent. So if the Clinton campaign is indeed going to hang its hat on the results out of North Carolina, it's going to have to begin to change the dynamics in the state -- and fast.



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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North (none / 0)

why can't Hillary close it?


by soros on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 06:41:26 PM EST

Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North (none / 0)

She won't close it because close to 40% of Democratic primary voters in NC are likely to be black and he carries them by 90%-10%.  She would have to get more than 75% of the white vote to win here.  


by Toddwell on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:06:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North (2.00 / 2)

Well then maybe she should do a better job of trying to appeal to black voters.


by GobBluth on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:26:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North (none / 0)

I think its a little late for that.  


by Toddwell on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:54:30 PM EST
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Obama is dishonest on healthcare affordability (none / 0)


I think that they might want to listen to Elizabeth Edwards on healthcare. She prefers Clintons plan because it avoids the huge cost shifting problem. The mainstream medium really distorted what Edwards was trying to say, its worth watching the original video for that reason..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/ 23919149#23919149


Cost shifting is a huge issue because even if you are technically insured, those huge bills that these bare bones policies leave you with often bankrupt people.

The reason the business community likes Obama is because he plans to shift costs to consumers.

Obama is not being honest. To poor people. Thats a good reason NOT to vote for him


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 08:40:37 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North (2.00 / 1)

And whose fault is that? The First Black President?

She should have won this race without breaking a sweat but she did not prepare properly.  She and her people took everything for granted, including the African American vote.


by swarty on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:31:44 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (2.00 / 1)

The most interesting tidbit out of that poll is that she is losing the white vote.


by regina1983 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 06:46:14 PM EST

Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (2.00 / 1)

Because the majority of Democrats don't want her to be their nominee.

The sooner we get used to that fact, the sooner we can concentrate on defeating McCain.  I, for one, can't wait to see who President Obama names to the Supreme Court in 2009.


by rayspace on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 06:46:19 PM EST

Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (none / 0)

I'm hoping Obama puts Bill Clinton on the Supreme Court. Always have wanted to see him there. He'd be great, it'd piss off the right wing to great effect, maybe bring the party a little closer and did I mention the right wing? They'd HATE IT.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 06:48:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (none / 0)

I am sure that President Obama will strive to set a higher standard for Democratic Supreme Court nominees than to nominate someone who was disbarred and had his law license suspended for five years.


by Onward Virginia Democrats on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 06:59:10 PM EST
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He' can't be (none / 0)

He's been disbarred.


by regina1983 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:01:55 PM EST
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Reinstated (none / 0)

He was reinstated.

http://www2.nysun.com/article/25965


by del on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:08:00 PM EST
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Re: He' can't be (none / 0)

You don't have to be barred. Unless I'm mistaken, there is no legal qualifications for the SCOTUS.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:46:12 AM EST
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Re: He' can't be (none / 0)

Correct.  Legally, Paris Hilton could be named to the Supreme Court.  But Obama will set a standard for his appointments that will call for someone with a distinguished and untarnished legal background to be appointed to the highest court in the land -- which is why he will likely look beyond both Paris Hilton and Bill Clinton.


by Onward Virginia Democrats on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:07:51 AM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (none / 0)

The majority of democratic VOTERS in a UNITED STATES ELECTION have so far said they don't want OBAMA to be the nominee.

You quote polls

I quote votes.

The democratic party members are behind Hillary its the press and the GOP that are behind Obama


by DTaylor on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:34:55 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (2.00 / 1)

Wow, over 13 million members of the press and GOP voted for Obama in 30 states.

Now that's organization.


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:40:13 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (none / 0)

LOL. That is so funny.


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:54:17 PM EST
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Obama blocking Florida and Michigan voters- (none / 0)

Thats another reason to vote for Hillary Clinton.

Obama's trying to block a revote - that is absolutely indefensible.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 08:45:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama blocking Florida and Michigan voters- (2.00 / 1)

what was indefensible was those states moving up the ir primaries.

other then that, Obama can't block a revote. He does not have that sort of power. Especially in states that have more Hillary supporters at the top.


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by alex100 on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 12:44:46 AM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (2.00 / 1)

It's not really a "UNITED STATES ELECTION" it is a Democratic Party primary. And Obama is winning it - so clearly someone out there wants him to be the nominee.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 08:14:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (none / 0)

Yes..

Look back to what transpired in 1994 with Jim Cooper and it becomes obvious what is happening now..

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht ml?res=9B00EEDD1431F93AA25757C0A96295826 0&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 08:47:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (2.00 / 1)

>>I'm quoting votes

No, you are quoting exit polls, which determined that John Kerry is the current President of the United States


by tysonpublic on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 10:57:11 PM EST
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NC Obama volunteers out in force today (2.00 / 1)

registering thousands of new voters


by parahammer on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST

Bill (2.00 / 1)

I have been wondering lately whether BC is somewhat ambivalent towards Hillary's bid for the White House.  He seems out of control and undermines as frequently as he supports (South Carolina, losing his cool with the superdelegates in California, and this really stupid comment).  I don't know how, if you are used to being a political team, you separate yourself from your spouse, but he, along with some of her other advisors, has not served her purpose well in this campaign.  


by mady on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 06:53:47 PM EST

Re: Bill (2.00 / 2)

He'll have to put some effort into salvaging his credibility and his legacy after this protracted embarrassment.


by Bee on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:02:45 PM EST
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Re: Bill (2.00 / 2)

Agreed.  Win or lose she comes out of it looking pretty impressive--he really does not.


by mady on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:06:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama Maintaining Lead in North Carolina Polli (2.00 / 5)

It's time to focus 90% of energy against McCain, 10 % promoting one's own candidate, and 0% undermining the other candidate.


by drjk on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:12:11 PM EST

0% undermining the other candidate (none / 0)

I believe architek has obtained a note from his/her mother excusing his/herself from that requirement.

Architek's mother says it is a unfair to eliminate undermining Obama since architek will be left with nothing to say.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 01:20:35 AM EST
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Denoument (2.00 / 2)

I think the hulabaloo over the twin states of Michigan and Florida, as misguided as it is, will nevertheless be a non-deciding factor in this race.  I think this thing is settled before the convention, and perhaps before the middle of May.

PA will be somewhat closer than expected, but still Hillary's, and then I think Obama will win NC handily, and then Indiana narrowly.  And then I think it is done.

The Clinton campaign will realize before the convention that a credentials committee fight over the Michigan and Florida delegates will be neither feasible nor palatable.  The Florida and Michigan delegates will be seated at the convention with nary a word but of curious notation by the mainstream media.  

I think this thing is closer to the end than anyone anticipated after Ohio and Texas.  a win, or a narrow win by Clinton, all but seals the deal earlier.  She is losing in money, the superdelegates have been dripping on the Obama end of the scale since March 4, and the polls are turning against her (if not towards Obama).  

There is also, I sense, and eagerness to meet McCain on in full, something not possible during a bitter campaign season.

But the Wright matter having killed none of Obama's appeal numerically (at least for the primary), I think we are coming faster, rather than slower (as predicted by many), to the denoument of this thing.  

And I get a sense that the Clinton campaign is also moving from the denial stage of loss to something that, if not quite acceptance, is beginning to take the shape of acceptance.  


by LarsThorwald on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:29:01 PM EST

Its interesting how the Obama camp is tryin to use (none / 0)

Wright to distract people from the many substantive concerns people have about him and his pro-corporate agenda.

Understandable..


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 08:49:42 PM EST
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The Charlotte poll (2.00 / 1)

40% undecided, only if NC is under a giant rock.
I could buy 20% buy not 40%.
Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 08:03:32 PM EST

HillaryIS44 (2.00 / 2)

You know Obama is doing well when the crowd at HillaryIS44 are complimenting Obama's efforts in NC:

April 5th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

One thing I will hand to the Obama campaign though-> I have friends who are in UNC Chapel Hill (undecided) that told me they've been getting calls and there have been on-campus canvassing done to register youth voters in full force.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 08:09:42 PM EST

Rev Wright "Issue" in NC (2.00 / 2)

NC is the home of fire and brimstone preaching, so any more nonsense about Wright will only hurt Hillary by making her look like a carpetbagger


by bernardpliers on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 08:19:35 PM EST

Character/Unity Builder/Ethics is Essential Key (none / 0)

Here is further insight into Hillary's character. "As Hillary Clinton came under increasing scrutiny for her story about facing sniper fire in Bosnia, one question that arose was whether she has engaged in a pattern of lying. The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary�s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther � and goes much deeper � than anyone realizes. Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy�s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation � one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman�s 17-year career. Why? �Because she was a liar,� Zeifman said in an interview last week. �She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality."� URL: :/stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/04/01/h illary-was-fired-from-congressional-job- for-unethical-behavior/trackback

Then we have Mark Penn's free-trade negotations with the Columbians which calls into questions from some unions like Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa who said the account calls into question Clinton's own credibility on the trade pact. "How can we trust that a President Hillary Clinton would stand strong against this trade deal when her top adviser is being paid by Colombia to promote it?" Hoffa said. "To support this so-called `free trade agreement' is anathema to the labor movement and to anyone who supports working people, social justice or the environment." AND Then WE Have: Greg Tarpinian, executive director of Change to Win, which has endorsed Obama and represents a coalition of unions actively working against the trade pact, called on Penn to resign his campaign post. "It's time for Senator Hillary Clinton to send her vaunted `chief strategist' Mark Penn packing -- back to his job consulting for union busting corporations and anti-labor governments for good," Tarpinian said in a statement.

Permalink | Trackback URL: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/04/04 penn-apologizes-as-labor-groups-call-fo r-his-resignation?mod=WSJBlog/trackback /

Every day Hillary supporters are speaking out in ways which continue to inflame race and gender, divide and conquer -- that is no way to run or win a race! If she was really concerned about African Americans and Womens' Issues then she and her surrogates would not be stating daily staements which further fuel the gender and racial divisions in this country in a misguided strategy of divide & conquer. Hillary and her camp have been shown to untruthful and unethical. When they get caught in their lies, they laugh it off and say they misspoke, misspeaked, and misstated. They are not honorable people and she does not show the kind of character that should be running the highest office in the land.


by bacalove on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 09:07:44 AM EST


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