A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com

by Pacific John, Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:06:06 PM EST

New information uncovered by Tennessee Guerrilla Woman indicates that Randi Rhodes' Green960 Imus/Limbaugh imitation was not just a radio station event, but was promoted on Barack Obama's website.

Click through to No Quarter for a complete screen cap of the Obama website page.

While the event is not tied directly to Obama's staff, Obama supporters publicized the event on the campaign website. A number of Obama supporters from his website were there to inappropriately cheer Rhodes.

Simply, Sen. Obama should renounce Randi Rhodes and chastise Obama supporters in the SF audience who acted inappropriately. He should also take the opportunity to correct the tone set by many of his supporters online who continue to approve of Rhodes' message.

This is easy. Sen. Obama should deal away with this issue as quickly as Air America announced Rhodes' suspension.

Update: Click here to see a full size screen cap from the Obama website .

I don't know how browser compatible it is - on Firefox, you have to click again to see the full jpg.

Update 2: Original link at BarackObama.com



Tags: Randi Rhodes, Barack Obama, Air America Radio (all tags)

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Tips for Good Judgement (2.00 / 21)

and high standards.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:06:49 PM EST

Re: Tips for Good Judgement (2.00 / 6)

Great work John.  To think that BI had ANY connection to this event.  It's beyond disgusting.

Seriously guys... can you even BEGIN to imagine the shitstorm if someone from Hillary's camp had promoted an event where somone got up on stage and called BO or prominent AA leaders the "N" word over and over again????


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:38:30 PM EST
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Re: Tips for Good Judgement (2.00 / 4)

Oh, Alegre. No one would mind if a Michael Richards event was on my.hillary.com.

The situational ethics here are amazing, especially since their illumination comes as jolt in the face of press coverage that is not just positive, but worshipful.

I spent a half an hour last night talking to one of the leading Dems in the county, an old friend and great guy who is currently for Obama. To say he was jarred by what I told him about Texas would be an understatement. His response: I don't care if this happened on a campaign I support, this requires justice.

Common perception, at least among elites, is completely out of balance with reality...yet Hillary still keeps getting around 53% of the Dem cross tabs.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:51:14 PM EST
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Re: Tips for Good Judgement (none / 0)

What did you tell him about texas?


by gaf on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:22:08 PM EST
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Re: Tips for Good Judgement (none / 0)

No one except from Obama's "camp", save a random BO support like myself promoted the event.


by mefck on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:22:20 PM EST
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Good Judgement (none / 0)

then you also want him to call for her dismissal, not just leave?  If what you say is true, then she's tarnished him, no?  But it seems that he likes her fine, she's said awful things before, this is the time she went so far as to get suspended over it, but there were signs earlier that she was heading there. If he has such good judgment, isn't this  a place to prove it?  He's calling for Penn to resign, and Penn wasn't  representing Hilary when he made his case for NAFTA, it was his day job? I mean, if someone can't speak for themselves and must be fired, how can someone speak for him on national air waves and expect leniency?  I guess that double standard is fine by him?  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:22:06 PM EST
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Hilarious! (2.00 / 0)

After all the diaries at that orange place which must not be named when the RR story broke - I just put on my gum boots and went wading into the sludge over there. Not a whisper today about it being an Obama fundraiser. Not a single mention. LOL!


by georgiast on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:43:32 PM EST
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Re: Hilarious! (2.00 / 0)

Look even further than Dkos.  You'll see it's not just them.  Nobody else shares the hallucination that is going on here.  

Must be a conspiracy.  I mean, there's no way this is just a misrepresentation that's been elevated in spite of its factual shortcomings by a combination of desperation and group think contained within an echo chamber.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:22:15 PM EST
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It didn't come from the campaign (2.00 / 0)

and it wasn't on BO.com as the title suggests.

But then we know both know you know that, since personal attacks are all you are about.


by fladem on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:22:43 AM EST
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How gullible are you? (1.00 / 3)

Why would anyone take a poor quality screencap of an event no one expected to ne particularly newsworthy?


by DSloth on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:10:13 PM EST

Re: How gullible are you? (2.00 / 8)

Click through. The screen cap is high quality.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:14:09 PM EST
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It's not that high a quality (2.00 / 0)

It is good enough to show that this is just one of the mybarackobama events anyone can put up.


by DSloth on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:16:37 PM EST
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Re: It's not that high a quality (2.00 / 7)

Since this is an issue, I'll add a clickable link to the diary.

Sorry for any confusion.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:19:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's not that high a quality (2.00 / 6)

the 'confusion' is deliberate on Dsloth's part


by zerosumgame on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:40:48 PM EST
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Re: How gullible are you? (1.50 / 10)

Maybe this will help the Obamadroids

http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/det ail/4r2cc


by Newport News Dem on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:20:34 PM EST
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Re: How gullible are you? (2.00 / 8)

Fixed link


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:25:45 PM EST
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Re: How gullible are you? (2.00 / 2)

It would be a nice policy if comments like 'Obamadroids' or 'Hillbots' were regularly TRd.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:33:10 PM EST
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Re: How gullible are you? (2.00 / 1)

Agree. I  just TR the comment.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:56:27 PM EST
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Pretzel logic strikes again... (1.81 / 11)

...since you're on record all over the place over the past 24 hours indicating the calling someone a "fucking whore" on blog pages is an exercise in freedom of speech, and perfectly acceptable? Along with a minimum of six out of nine diaries on DKos taking that position, along with hundreds of supporting comments?

So, just for clarity's sake, let me get this right: calling another person an "Obamadroid" or a "Hillbot" is offensive to you, but calling one of our party's two leading candidates for President, as well as the only other female (who happens to also be a Democrat) who's ever run on a major party ticket, nationally, being called the same?

"Fucking whore," in your mindset, is acceptable "freedom of speech" and should be waxed about poetically on a blog, because it's not condescending nor sexist (nor outright vulgar)? But, according to you, "Obamadroid" or "Hillbot" is something that should be hidden from these pages?

Johnny Gentle, IMHO, you've got a strange sense of right and wrong.


by bobswern on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:57:02 PM EST
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Re: Pretzel logic strikes again... (1.50 / 2)

As is usually the case, I have no idea what you're talking about, but you should be ashamed at bastardizing my comments to fit your silly purpose.

Go find the comments, link them here. I stand by everything I've said, and not a damn thing I've said is even remotely similar to the crap you've accused me of. And since you CAN'T find anything that matches your accusation, I'll accept your apology instead. Better yet, I'll accept your silence on my positions in the future before you baldly misstate them again.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:18:52 PM EST
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You have no idea, huh? (2.00 / 4)

You sit there defending the diarists' rights' to regurgitate this stuff; you write satires on how we're attacking freedom of speech;  you outright rationalize Rhodes....then, in typical fashion, you claim in these comments, to which I'm responding now that you didn't post this stuff below?

It's hardly a stretch for me to say that in your mindset, calling Clinton a "fucking whore" is less offensive than calling someone a "Hillbot" or an "Obamatroid." Yes, I'd say you're a little mixed up....

Re: Over. The. Top. (1.66 / 6)

Bob, I fully agree with you. I read some of those diaries, and thought that there'd at least be 99% to 100% agreement, but was sadly disappointed to find out that some people had differing opinions.

I fully believe that this reckless differentation of opinions is what's ruining not just Daily Kos, but America herself. There is far too much individualism, free speech, and lack of concern for the continued propagation of the Supreme Hive Mind.

I have written the Commanders of the High Thought Council, and I have no doubt they will address this situation promptly. I fully expect that Kos will be found, killed and fed to the three-headed gryphon that guards the icy towers of the Grand Imperial Palace.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 08:43:47 PM EST
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Why is that even relevant? Randi Rhodes doesn't work for dKos. You make it sound as if Kos himself uttered the infamous words.

This diary is just a standard bobswern complaint about dKos, this time because not everyone on a website of 150,000 agreed with him--or maybe they did agree, but didn't use the words he wanted them to. Who knows.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:09:33 PM EST
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by bobswern on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:48:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You have no idea, huh? (2.00 / 1)

Do you even realize that the two comments you posted have nothing to do with what you're saying?

You don't make enough sense for me to rebut. It's like you jump from point A to point Q and are oblivious to the chasm between.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:56:34 PM EST
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since you insist... (2.00 / 11)

...all you have to do is click on the screencap for a high resolution version, but sisnce you can't be bothered, here is the text:


Come join other Bay Area Obama supporters for an evening with Air America host Randi Rhodes!

She was quieter in her support earlier in the primary season, but this week Randi has been on fire with her passion for Obama (and anger/disappointment with his opponent). Today (3/7), she spent nearly her whole show urging people to get to Pennsylvania or to call Pennsylvania on behalf of Senator Obama.

Let's show her some Bay Area love and have a chance to get together socially as well.  Spend your afternoon phonebanking and then join us (in Obamawear of course) for a great evening. Doors open at 5:30, event is at 6:00 pm.

The event is $5 at the door, and you sign up in advance via Green 960's radio station website...

After the event, we can all head to a place in the neighborhood for drinks and organizing for winning Pennsylvania, the nomination, and the White House.  

not affiliated with the campaign? sure, if you say so.


by campskunk on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:24:35 PM EST
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Re: since you insist... (1.60 / 5)

anyone can put those up.


by Mostly on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:35:25 PM EST
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Re: since you insist... (2.00 / 8)

if this screenshot isn't accurate, why does it match the actual page which is still up on the obama website, for some unfathomable reason?


by campskunk on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:39:48 PM EST
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Re: since you insist... (2.00 / 4)

okay, let's do this yet again.

My.barackobama is like myspace--it's a public space where people can create profiles, post information, talk with each other, etc. It is NOT Obama's campaign staff sitting there and typing in content.

The Rhodes ad was placed by a user, probably someone from the radio station's PR staff. Just like the Black Panthers profile. It wasn't a campaign staffer.

Hillary has her own versions of this on her site. You can post your own event, or start a blog or a discussion group.

So let's say the fictional "Friends of Hillary NY," a group of big-time New York Hillary supporters, decides to host a fund-raiser. They'll have a radio host as their special guest.

Friends of Hillary NY posts a blurb about the event on the Hillary site's public events calendar. Sadly, things go awry at the fund-raiser...the radio host unleashes a profanity-laced tirade.

So obviously, Hillary's campaign staff promoted the event and condones the comments! Now let's go grab a screenshot, post diaries here raging against Clinton and her supporters, and completely misrepresent how the content got on her site in the first place. See how easy and fun this is?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:29:49 PM EST
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Re: since you insist... (2.00 / 4)

it was a fundraiser sponsored by a radio station which endorsed Obama, organized by Obama supporters, performed for Obama supporters and advertised on Obama's site.

And you're telling me the campaign is just coincidental to this?


by Little Otter on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:49:58 PM EST
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Re: since you insist... (2.00 / 3)

Yup.

That's how it works. There are lots of events organized by private parties in support of their candidate--like the fictional Friends of Hillary NY.

I suppose the campaign is aware that someone's going to be using their name, and I suppose they'd have the right to shut it down if the event was sponsored by, say, "Kill Whitey, Inc." or "KKK for Clinton." That's common sense.

But you're saying the Obama campaign organized, staffed, etc., this event, which is flatly incorrect. Or more specifically, you're saying the Obama campaign organized, staffed, etc., the event, somehow knew what Rhodes would say, and endorses her comments. That's, um, somewhere beyond flatly incorrect.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:02:07 PM EST
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Re: since you insist... (none / 0)

Oh, and for why it's still up, I don't know, but I do know that if it had been taken down--either because of Rhodes or simply because the event had already taken place--I have no doubt that the usual suspects would post still more diaries shrieking about how "OBAMA SCRUBBED HIS WEBSITE!!1!1!!!"


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:31:30 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

He doesn;t have to renounce anything. Stop making threats on anyone. Obama would never tolerate bad language and you know that.


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:10:24 PM EST

Would you be... (2.00 / 5)

looking and/or waiting for HRC to address someone high profile like RR if she had called BO something as heinous?


Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"
by JHL on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:17:25 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (2.00 / 1)

Have you called for Hillary Clinton to repudiate Taylor Marsh for the hateful fake bullcrap smear campaign she has been running against Obama and for all of the hateful things she's called him?  I thought not...

Stop with the dog and pony show, please.  Obama already did this once with Farrakhan, who he never solicited or endorsed or supported in any way.  This is a non-issue.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:27:38 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (2.00 / 5)

I suppose if Taylor Marsh was on Hillary's web page, you would have a point! Since she isn't, you don't


by Newport News Dem on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:40:26 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (2.00 / 0)

Taylor Marsh hasn't called Obama a name of any sort.  Comparing her support of Clinton to Randi Rhodes' support of Obama is ridiculous.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:35:49 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (2.00 / 5)

Taylor Marsh is doing fundraisers for Hillary? Where?


by campskunk on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:40:48 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (2.00 / 2)

Taylor Marsh is not featured on Hillary's campaign website. This event was on Obama's website and was an Obama fundraiser. That's the difference. Don't try to change the subject please.

Do you want the party united in November ... or not? This kind of blatant HATE SPEECH making money in the name of Barak Obama is unacceptable.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson
by Bella on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:51:19 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (1.00 / 1)

You are an idiot if you think this is correct.  The event was sponsored by a radio station and post by a NORMAL EVERYDAY PERSON WHO HAPPENS TO BE an Obama supporter.  No staffer.  No campaign.  Get your head out of your ass.


Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:27:08 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (2.00 / 3)

The radio station which sponsored the event has endoresed Obama, the event itself was organized by official Obama support groups, for Obama supporters and advertised on obama's site.


by Little Otter on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:52:11 PM EST
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So are all NYT articles pro-Hillary? (none / 0)

When media companies "endorse" a candidate that does not mean that they engage in fund-raising activities.


by professor on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:49:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Would you be... (none / 0)

Wrong.  This was not an Obama fundraiser.


by Rorgg on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 03:30:15 AM EST
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Facts can be painful!!!!! (2.00 / 1)

The problem with your comment is that the painful information about Obama is 100% factual.  That is the worst cut of all.


by macmcd on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:11:27 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (none / 0)

Not if they weren't affiliated with the her campaign.

Should Hillary Clinton denounce Hillarysi44.com?  This is beyond silly.


by Mostly on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:28:44 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (none / 0)

What HRC should do to help herself is to elavate herself above this whole messy negativity her campaign ponders too.


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:30:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Would you be... (2.00 / 6)

Too bad Obama's troops started playing the race card in SC, the muslim smear card and denigrating the great service of a wonderful former FLOTUS, kinda like what rove did to Kerry's service to country in 2004. You are projecting and I don't buy his false kumbaya image for a second.


by Newport News Dem on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:44:05 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (none / 0)

What's the muslim smear card?

Was that when Clinton volunteers were making advance calls to Iowa and New Hampshire saying that Obama was a Muslim?

They got the boot for that.


by Mostly on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:39:07 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (2.00 / 5)

She is a monster...from the WAPO.

Hillary Clinton's campaign asked one of its volunteer county coordinators in Iowa to step down after the person forwarded an e-mail falsely stating that Barack Obama is a Muslim. Obama is a Christian and attends Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, but chain e-mails have been circulating throughout his campaign that falsely describe him as a Muslim.

"There is no place in our campaign or any campaign for this kind of politics," said Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle in a statement that was posted on the liberal blog Daily Kos this morning.

"A volunteer county coordinator made the mistake of forwarding an outrageous and offensive chain e-mail. This was wholly unauthorized and we were totally unaware of it. Let me be clear: No one should be engaging in this. We are asking this volunteer county coordinator to step down and are making it clear to every person involved in our campaign that this will not be tolerated."

Of course, as media matters pointed out, she denounced this "smear" and rejected the assertion 7 or 8 times on 60 Minutes and the Obamadroid still went apaplectic! I guess they wnated 9 or 10.


by Newport News Dem on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:48:57 PM EST
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Re: Would you be... (2.00 / 0)

So where's Obama's similar statement about the Rhodes fundraiser?

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:38:22 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 4)

What an amusing comment.  I bet you even believe nary a bad word was ever spoken or a cigarette puffed at BO's regular Chicago poker games.


by Tolstoy on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:24:46 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

Who knows?  What do you suppose Hillary talks about behind closed doors?

This is character assassination.


by Mostly on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:29:41 PM EST
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Nice attitude for change (2.00 / 3)

He doesn't have to renounce anything? Excuse me? Since you seem to represent yourself as an avid Obama supporter, I guess basic decency, even simple politeness is not something we should expect from you or from his campaign. Nice. What do you expect to "change" in Washington with an attitude like that?
In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson
by Bella on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:39:27 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 7)

He tolerated his pastor for 20 years.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:54:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not this again (none / 0)

This sort of garbage is just as silly as RR's lousy standup act. Over the last few weeks this whole line of argument has been discredited over and over again. Wright may have been a hot head at times, but so is WJC, apparently, when people he cares about are not being treated fairly. And you know what, I still have a lot of respect for both men.

I'll vote for either candidate (and yes both would be good too) so I resent it when people that are supposedly on the same team (i.e., against McBush) say these kinds of things. RR was wrong and so are the "Wright is a racist" comments.


by professor on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:58:37 PM EST
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bad language? (none / 0)

is that what you think this is about?  I use bad language all the time, Rhodes was spouting misogyny.   She was calling women whores because of who they are married to, suggesting they are selling themselves for money/power.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 11:25:23 PM EST
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Are you serious? (1.75 / 4)

Seriously, if you guys spent 1/2 as much time raising money for Hillary as you do trying to find silly connections between the outrage de jour and the Obama campaign, Hillary wouldn't have to end every appearance with a plea for more cash.


by highgrade on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:10:27 PM EST

Re: Are you serious? (1.50 / 2)

That's not fair - they spend a LOT of time clicking on AOL polls.


by Mostly on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:36:29 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 11)

ouch! that's a little too close for comfort. one wonders if the obama campaign will behoove itself to differentiate between its opinion of hillary clinton and randi's. well, maybe not the opinion per se, but at least the public expression of it.


by campskunk on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:11:20 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 11)

Made the following on a prior thread with a direct link to the BO page.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/det ail/4r2cc

The famous Randi Rhodes event is on the Obama web page as an Obama sanctioned event. Unite us my
a--, just like W, I guess.

Since he controls the page content, it is a tacit endorsement of Randi and her commentary. She is a prominent and public member of the Obamedia. Absent scrubbing the page WITH a public denunciation, he supports the actions of his media servant, Rhodes. Can't wait for him to ask for the termination of Rhodes as he did for Imus. Failing that will prove again, hypocrisy is central to the bamboozling of America which is the Obamanation of America.


by Newport News Dem on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:19:40 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (1.88 / 9)

hoo boy! it's still up??? amazing!


by campskunk on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:27:16 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (1.83 / 6)

Damn straight! I heard that crazy Obama guy also endorses the Black Panthers! I don't care if the webmaster deleted that user-created profile, you know he's secretly a Black Panther!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:35:40 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

Whew...I was getting worried that a day might go by without zerosumgame handing out troll-ratings. All is normal in the world again!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:49:45 PM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 11)

Barack Obama raised money for his camapaign from this "Hillary is a Whore Hate Event."  He needs to return the money raised at this event.  Or else at least reject (renounce) the statements.  


by karajan72 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:26:33 PM EST

Re: (2.00 / 2)

This I agree with.  He should return or donate to charity any money his campaign made at this event.  It's not like he's cash-strapped...


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:31:12 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

I don't agree.  Do you think Mark Green and Air America are going to refund the money at this event?


by Mostly on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:39:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

Well, Mark Green is apparently a big Hillary supporter, so it'd be the honorable thing to do, wouldn't it?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:50:56 PM EST
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Mark Green (none / 0)

How do you know Mark Green is a Clinton supporter?  I expect he'd have done the same thing if someone on his network had used the "n" word against Obama, even if it wasn't on the air.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:40:50 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Who cares?  They are not running for President.  Donating the money he raised to charity will cut all ties to Rhodes's diatribe for Obama and it's the right thing for him to do, both personally and politically.  He donated the Rezko money, and he should donate this money.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:23:44 PM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 1)

Except he didn't get any money from this event.

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=U TF-8&p=http%3A%2F%2Fdev.green960.com %2Fpages%2Fevents.html+%22an+evening+wit h+randi+rhodes%22&fr=slv1-mdp&u= dev.green960.com/pages/events.html&w =%22an+evening+with+randi+rhodes%22& d=dlPgrfH_QeUc&icp=1&.intl=us

This event was for GREEN960, and was in no way affiliated with, sponsered by, or hosted for/by the Obama campaign.


unapologetic Obama supporter
by dantes on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:05:54 PM EST
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Re: (2.00 / 0)

Yes, I have no problem with that, and the diarist states his case fairly and without hysterical vitriol.

Since it got posted on his site--regardless of who put it there--he should give a brief statement denouncerejecting it. As the diarist says, this is an easy one.

But what's galling is how certain folks here aren't content with that, and want to up the ante by disingenuously pretending that Obama condoned the remarks, or knew about them, or agrees with them. (Because really, didn't they all see his latest campaign ad?: "I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message because I hate f'ing whores.")


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:40:31 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 9)

Those in the audience screaming with approval at Randi's "Hillary is a f**king whore" were Obama supporters plain and simple. Disgusting. The event was advertised on his campaign website plain and simple. Obama supporters are still screaming approval at "Hillary is a f**king whore" all over the internet, oh yeah, that's going to unite us. Obama should do the right thing and admonish his followers for this kind of public hatred in his name. I'm betting he won't If Obama is the uniter, then I'm the Queen of France.

Come November, if Obama is the nominee, I will hold my nose as hard as I have to and vote for him, but I don't like him, I don't trust him and I have very low expectations for an Obama presidency.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson
by Bella on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:29:15 PM EST

This is the problem (2.00 / 8)

The dirty little secret, seen on full display in the Randi Rhodes video, is that a large fraction of Obama supporters should not be associated with any campaign, or with the Democratic Party. (And obviously, Randi Rhodes should not be welcome on a Dem campaign or in the Dem party).

As I mention during NH, I have never seen a campaign boo an opposing candidate, and indeed, party regulars like were at the CA state convention over the weekend were very deferential to Pres. Clinton.

Most Obama supporters are fine Democrats. It's the others that Obama needs to reel in.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:40:35 PM EST
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Re: This is the problem (none / 0)

Because Hillaryis44 is such a great example of people we want in the Democratic party?


by steampunkx on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:42:48 PM EST
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Re: This is the problem (2.00 / 0)

This is pretty simple. There is no link between your url and the Hillary campaign. Whose website is that, and why does it matter?

On the other hand, as an Obama supporter pointed out in one of these threads, the ad on the Obama site drew dozens of Obama supporters to the Randi Rhodes event, and we can safely bet that some of those people unacceptably supported Rhodes' words.

my.barackobama is expressly intended to help volunteers represent and promote the campaign.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:55:21 PM EST
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And the connection to Obama's campaign is ...? (2.00 / 0)

The official campaign website is barackobama.com, not my.barackobama.com. I agree that the campaign should probably exert some administrative control over the my barack pages, but you can't say that this is coming from his campaign. Neither can you prove that HillaryIs44.com is not somehow tied to the HRC campaign.

Now I'll have to rant a bit before I put my daughter to bed.

Let's just stop this nonsense please. I don't like it when the DKos people post this kind of garbage about HRC and I don't appreciate it when I find these "Barack Obama is a BIG FAT LIAR" or "He's a racist just like his preacher" or "Look how Obama is secretly running an evil empire" comments here.

It's  getting pretty late in the season. Why can't we be at least as civil as the candidates have been recently? (Note: I'm speaking about the candidates, not their campaign staff or surrogates. I really wish they would all just STFU.)

Do you really think HRC thinks BHO is somehow behind the RR affair? No, and I don't think BHO blames HRC for all the weirdness coming his way either. It happens. We don't have to like it, but stuff happens.

Things are getting all blown out of proportion. In a couple months everybody is going to regroup to fight the McBushites. There are lots of people who are going to be disappointed that their candidate didn't win. Picking silly fights like this just makes the wounds take longer to heal. Neither candidate wants that, so why should we make it any harder on them than we have to.


by professor on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 08:37:15 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

Where are people condoning Randi Rhodes' comments? I haven't seen that anywhere. What she said was disgusting.


unapologetic Obama supporter
by dantes on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:07:49 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 6)

What a jazzed up campaign this has been...the more I see, the more discusted I get..again, not his fault, he had nothing to do with it, right!
Do you suppose he accepted the money that came from the event?  The truth is in the details..
I am so sick of all this filth.

Good Post...lets get this off to the press.


by Patriot2008 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:41:50 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 3)

Sigh.  You continue to paint yourself a fool by posting steaming bulls&8t like this on this site.  The event was an Air America fundraiser.

Everyone and anyone can go onto my.barackobama.com and post a meet-up, fundraiser, primary-watching party, etc.  The event was not set up or promoted by the campaign.

You'd do yourself a solid by actually thinking about something before posting.


Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:47:18 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 4)

There may be a misunderstanding about what I wrote:


New information uncovered by Tennessee Guerrilla Woman indicates that Randi Rhodes' Green960 Imus/Limbaugh imitation was not just a radio station event, but was promoted on Barack Obama's website.

Click through to No Quarter for a complete screen cap of the Obama website page.

While the event is not tied directly to Obama's staff, Obama supporters publicized the event on the campaign website. A number of Obama supporters from his website were there to inappropriately cheer Rhodes.

Please let me know how I could have been more precise, and I'll publish a correction.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:59:29 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

I see Hillary has taught you well.  So you're not trying to impugn Obama directly for promoting the event, even though you directly link to an article that says "It was an event apparently fully SANCTIONED by the Obama campaign as a fundraiser.".  Didn't make much an an attempt to disavow this BS did you?

The Obama site is like Myspace.  I could go on Obama's site right now with my login and invite everyone to a "Let's get together, get us some shotguns, and kill all the whiteys we see".  would you latch onto that and attack Obama by saying "While the event is not tied directly to Obama's staff, Obama supporters publicized the event on the campaign website"?


Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:31:42 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 2)

So you are saying the dairy is precise. Thanks.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:39:41 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 7)

It is a sad commentary on the state of the race for the nomination. Champions in behalf of  race cheer sexist swill for fun and profit!


by linfar on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:03:26 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 5)

"Come join other Bay Area Obama supporters for an evening with Air America host Randi Rhodes!

She was quieter in her support earlier in the primary season, but this week Randi Rhodes has been on fire with her passion for Obama (and disappointment/anger with his opponent). Today (3/7), she spent nearly her whole show urging people to get to Pennsylvania or to call Pennsylvania on behalf of Senator Obama."

It's an Obama supporters gathering.  I don't know if Obama campaign funded the event or not.  The ticket was only $5.  It's probably was not a fund raising event.

But I found it appalling that Obama supporters gleefully clapped and cheered at those vulgar remarks.  Obviously they believed it acceptable.  Of cause they can continue to do that, it's their right.  But don't expect us to fall in line and support Obama.  Especially if he choose to stay silent on this matter.  

If you disagree, you walk out or speak up.   I don't expect him to do neither.  It's not his character.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:07:32 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 1)

Over at Kos people have been shooting down pro-Rhodes comments.  But hey, if you want to assume that it was a bunch of Obama supporters, and not a mixed audience (which it was, and many booed too), that's your choice.


by steampunkx on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:42:09 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 1)

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=U TF-8&p=http%3A%2F%2Fdev.green960.com %2Fpages%2Fevents.html+%22an+evening+wit h+randi+rhodes%22&fr=slv1-mdp&u= dev.green960.com/pages/events.html&w =%22an+evening+with+randi+rhodes%22& d=dlPgrfH_QeUc&icp=1&.intl=us

It was a Green960 event only. The Obama campaign raised no money, and had nothing to do with this event.


unapologetic Obama supporter
by dantes on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:10:14 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 0)

I think Obama should take responsibility for and  apologize for every bad thing anyone has ever said or done.  Every last thing.

And then he should agree to be Hillary's VP.

It's all so simple.


by Rumproast on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:17:15 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 1)

Seriously, where are the admins?  I can't believe the complete excrement of a painfully easily proveable lie is still on here.  

Hey, admins, are you endorsing this kind of blatant hackery by leaving it up?


Oregon Hussein KCG - Hussein means: "good; small handsome one" in Arabic.
by oregonkcg on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:28:06 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

This isn't as bad as the other one; there's nothing factually untrue here, it's just misleading.


by Mostly on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:41:36 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 2)

This is the same style of attack that Hannity tried to use on Obama. Anyone who is familiar with a social networking site like myspace or facebook understands how it works: anyone can go to his site and create a page. Anyone can form a group. Anyone can create an event.

Trying to somehow say that Obama owes an apology because Rhodes said mean things about Hillary at an event she advertised in the social networking area is disingenuous. I've derided Rhodes on this site several times for her ugly language. She deserves what she gets, but trying to paint Obama as culpable is taking this too far.


by tessellated on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:34:32 PM EST

O'Reilly Would Be Proud (2.00 / 1)

If you spent any time over at Kos you'd see that many Obama supporters have been shooting down pro-Rhodes comments.

Ah, for the days before people (naively or disingenously) used public comments sections as an albatross.


by steampunkx on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:35:13 PM EST

Re: O'Reilly Would Be Proud (2.00 / 1)

I've been to dKos once in the past three week (not logged in, ad blocker turned on) and saw that a rec-listed diary endorsed Rhodes' comments.

There are a few rogues in all campaigns, but only one campaign in my lifetime fills auditoriums and rec lists with people who endorse behavior that is unacceptable on the radio or in our party.

If I wanted to cheer someone like Rush Limbaugh, I'd change parties. We have higher standards, or at least we should.

And this is still very, very simple. One line from Barack Obama chastising Randi's mob is all it would take. It could be over before the news cycle starts. Hell, it's even Friday, the day of the week where controversies go to disappear.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:49:13 PM EST
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Re: O'Reilly Would Be Proud (none / 0)

I'm there ALL the time, and I never saw said diary.

At any rate, is HRC going to decry Hillaryis44?  No.  Neither campaign is responsible for this crap.


by steampunkx on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:11:15 PM EST
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Rec'd dKos post: (2.00 / 1)

This bit, documented in the thread:

Randi Rhodes has been suspended by Air America for saying what everyone has been thinking.

was replaced with this:

Personally ... I feel like she is being punished for saying what many think.

Wade into the cesspool to see the nearly 500 comments.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:30:54 PM EST
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Re: O'Reilly Would Be Proud (none / 0)

That would be great if your fabricated controversy made the news cycle. It won't. Any reporter with half a brain will recognize the obvious that you guys are willfully ignoring.


by Rumproast on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:20:47 PM EST
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I have a hunch on why the (2.00 / 2)

Clinton supporters don't get that this is posted by a independent user who happens to like Obama.

The reason, they don't understand the internet 2.0          

I am doing this via demographics.  The most active users of the Web 2.0 are youth.  Youth are a demographic that Brack Obama carries fairly consistantly.

Sen. Clinton's strongest base of support is those who are 65+.  The generally don't have as great of an understanding of the Web 2.0

As a side note I will wait for the TR's expected for the generalization.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:49:23 PM EST

Re: I have a hunch on why the (none / 0)

Don't fool yourself, Student Guy. They know perfectly well what the truth is. It's no coincidence that they all love Faux News now. They've become very good at using the same tactics.


by Rumproast on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:18:36 PM EST
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No apologies - let 'er roll! (2.00 / 1)

Then you'll hear - I'll bet it was HRC that did this!!!

Let 'er roll.

People that spew this stuff do NOT hurt our candidate.

Just MHO.


by Southern Mouth on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:51:01 PM EST

A Question for those who support this diary (none / 0)

Do you remember when the Republicans spent half of 2004 whining that MoveOn had put out a video that compared Bush to Hitler?  Do you remember that the video in question was one of thousands submitted through the internet and not something published by MoveOn itself?  If you remember this episode, how did it make you feel?  Is there anything from that episode that might help you explain why some of us find this diary so frustrating?

(ps. I do recognize that MoveOn immediately deleted the offensive video (not that that stopped the Republican attacks) and that BO.com still has this event notice up.  But it's a freaking event notice, isn't it?  Does it really make sense to "scrub it" and pretend the event didn't happen?)


by ankylosaurus on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:25:35 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 5)

Obama needs to make an official apology to Hillary and Geraldine. This stuff from Rhodes was SO over the top that nothing short of a public apology and an explanation for why they kept silent for so long is acceptable.


by Fleaflicker on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:30:51 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

would someone explain to me why Obama has to apologize for every single thing every Obama supporter everywhere says?

and can we hold Hillary to that same standard too?


by fightinfilipino on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:38:02 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 2)

I think people already have done this to Hillary.  Geraldine Ferraro?


by JustJennifer on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:41:17 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

Geraldine Ferraro made her comments while she was an OFFICER OF CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN.

Rhodes is an outspoken bloviate who shot her mouth off and is rightly getting sanctioned, but she WASN'T an official member of Obama's camp.  nor was this "event" an official Obama campaign event.

also, Clinton never apologized for Ferraro's idiotic statements either.


by fightinfilipino on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:46:54 PM EST
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talking point? (none / 0)

Ferraro continued to push the talking point that "Obama is lucky to be black" after her 'resignation'. As as strong Hillary supporter she must have thought that this was helping the campaign. What did Hillary do to stop her?


by JoeCoaster on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:02:52 PM EST
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Re: talking point? (2.00 / 0)

Gee, what a horrible thing for Ferraro to say.

Oops, Obama himself said the SAME THING:

From a Chicago Tribune article that is posted on Obama's website: "Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race. If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?"
http://obama.senate.gov/news/050626-when _it_comes_to_race_obama_ma/

And so did John Kerry, in support of Obama, just a week or so after Ferraro's statements:

"the color of Obama's skin makes him uniquely qualified for president and even reach out to the moderate Islam world"
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/20/ open-mouth-insert-foot/ (see the video)

Maybe Obama needs to resign from his own campaign.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:47:01 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 2)

Come on, if there was an event promoted on any website directly affiliated with Hillary Clinton and someone at that event called Obama a f&*king anything people would be ALL OVER THAT.  


by JustJennifer on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:42:29 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 1)

a weak hypothetical does not an argument make.

ugh.


by fightinfilipino on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:47:29 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 1)

The inability to view the hypocrisy amongst your fellow supporters does not an argument make.


by JustJennifer on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:54:10 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 1)

seriously, what is your point?

this entire line of argument lacks any sort of sense.  you're asking Obama to apologize for everything every supporter of his has said.  why don't we just ask him to stop global warming, or stomp China's repression of Tibet singlehandedly while we're at it?

fine.  we hold McCain and Clinton to the same high standard then.  Clinton especially has to answer for Mark Penn's Colombia shenanigans, or his firm's union-busting antics, or for the dozen or so vociferous internet bloggers out there claiming that Obama won't win because he's black, or for Taylor Marsh's continued idiocy on the airwaves lying about Obama's record.  because damn, Clinton's responsible for it all.


by fightinfilipino on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:02:43 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 2)

Just to put in perspective how ridiculous the argument in this diary is - there was a page for Sean Hannity that someone created and wrote all sorts of nasty stuff on the Obama site.  There's no censorship and no moderation and no pre-screening of comments, users, events, fundraisers, etc.  Things only get removed if someone flags something as needing to be taken down.  You're welcome to flag the event and ask them to take it down.  You're welcome to create your own account there and post anything you please, as well.


by barath on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:37:40 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

No moderation?  That's pretty dumb.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:48:10 PM EST
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Perhaps, but also somewhat understandable (none / 0)

Given that it's obviously partisan, expecting users to self-moderate is not likely to be very effective and could be easily used by the Limbaugh crowd to really mess things up (e.g., "Let's reschedule tomorrow's Harrisburg meetup to Sunday and really confuse them!"). Instead they ask that users report offensive content so that it can be moderated by the sys admins. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.


by professor on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 09:09:51 PM EST
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Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (none / 0)

You are all so outrageous.  Can't you see that was not on Obama's website.  Someone took a snap shot of Obama's website and then superimposed the sheet on top of it.  The one sheet was in very poor quality to where anyone can see that this is as phony as a three dollar bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


by ajleiker on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:55:02 PM EST

Re: A Chance for Good Judgement: Randi on BO.com (2.00 / 1)

Try again.

This isn't that hard to understand.


by Pacific John on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:57:38 PM EST
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Not hard to understand... (none / 0)

You're trying to get a little more 'outrage' mileage out of Randi Rhodes. Lets play '3 degrees of Randi Rhodes' and somehow make it Obama's problem.

It's trivial and silly but if that's all a Hillary supporter has to prop up her campaign....go for it.  


by JoeCoaster on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:11:28 PM EST
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Re: Not hard to understand... (2.00 / 0)

7 out of 16 Google hits for "an evening with randi rhodes" came from Obama sites and message boards. This was centrally an event promoted by and for Obama supporters. It was not an event that coincidentally included a few stray Obama supporters.

But if you listen to the video, that's