MyDD :: it has to to be time for a speech by Obama

it has to to be time for a speech by Obama

by blackflag, Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:13:30 AM EST

the progression of this campaign vis-a-vis Reverend Wright almost demands another sensational, awe inspiring speech by Senator Obama.

after the initial flurry of youtube & Faux News Wright's Greatest Hits....Obama gave a speech that most Americans never heard or read, but had the media tell them it was akin to a spiritual awakening, Obama became Lincoln & effusions of extremity were emmanated.

but, alas, the Reverend Wright, with his own agenda, went on the 2008 Wright Strikes Back Tour (today is is supposed to cut the ribbon at a new Walmart somewhere and expound on Zionism)...and alas and alack, the liberal media has gone bonkers, they cannot help themselves from covering the train wreck, yet they are so anguished about the horror being delievered to their guy, Obama, that they grasp at straws.

clearly, its time for another speech that will not be seen or read by most Americans, then the press can do their drill...and no doubt it will go a little something like this:

Today Senator Obama showed the courage Winston Churchill, the courage of the men on Iwo Jima, he confronted his former minister and delivere a coup de gras to the crazy old preacher, and oh, by the way, any prior comments defending the Reverend, well, they are inoperable now,as we, the liberal chattering elite have decided Obama is right, it was all crazy racism....and gosh, he is the greatest speaker since Plato, Socrates, any of them, gosh, I just felt a chill running up and down my body, oh my gosh its Obamaorgasm

Tags: great oratory, Lincoln, Reverend Wrght (all tags)

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ahh... (2.00 / 1)

its early in the morning and the trolls are a awake and spitting out ugly diaries about Orgasms and what not.

-- be excellent to each other

by kindthoughts on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:26:48 AM EST

Re: ahh... (2.00 / 1)

Are you crying?

I mean, right now? Crying?

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:16:41 AM EST
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erm...I am having coffee (none / 0)

it is pretty strong...

-- be excellent to each other

by kindthoughts on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:00:26 AM EST
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Did you catch the.... (2.00 / 1)

incredible softball interview Ms Viera did this morning on The Today Show (in between the "Who gives a shit where Matt Laurer is" segment) with another Rev friend of Wright's? It was Obama campaign talking points all over with Viera nodding her head in approval.

by handsomegent on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:53:05 AM EST

Yeah, remember when Hill and Bill... (2.00 / 1)

... went on "60 Minutes" to discuss Jennifer Flowers and the press gave them a pass?

by Bob Johnson on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:53:37 AM EST

Re: Yeah, remember when Hill and Bill... (2.00 / 3)

The press gave them a pass? I remember that quite differently. In addition every late night comic had a gold mine of material. But Barack Obama is treated as if he's on some sort of higher plain of mankind. Even on the rare occasions when Matthews and Olbermann go after him it's like a dad scolding his son.

by handsomegent on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:04:52 AM EST
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Your memory is faulty. (none / 0)

The "60 Minutes" interview was treated as a tour de force. The press extolled the Clintons' openness.

by Bob Johnson on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:37:41 AM EST
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Jealousy is a stinky cologne (2.00 / 3)

Sorry your preferred candidate isn't as good an orator, but do you really need to turn a positive of a Democrat into a supposed negative? Really?

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:56:31 AM EST

Re: Jealousy is a stinky cologne (2.00 / 3)

Actually, I prefer Hillary's speaking style to Barack's--I'm not really into bloviating and long-windedness. Got enough of that with Kerry.

Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008

by zcflint05 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:59:01 AM EST
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haha (2.00 / 1)

"bloviating" and "long-windedness" in NO WAY describes Obama's speaking style. Nice try, though.

Like I said, you're jealous, I get that. I'd be a little jealous, too, if the other candidate had a specific and clearly superior gift.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:02:41 AM EST
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Are you kidding? People are falling... (2.00 / 1)

asleep now that he has to give concession speeches.

Talk about long-winded!

If you think BO has a gift, well I think it's a curse!

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:12:25 AM EST
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haha (2.00 / 1)

so funny. Seriously, you are hilarious. Even Clinton recognizes Obama's speaking prowess (and she tries to then argue that such prowess is the whole sum of his abilities).

But hey, if you want a distorted view of reality, embrace it! Nothing wrong with that.

So, since I have your attention, if/when Obama is the Democratic nominee, does he have your vote?

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:15:35 AM EST
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No! (2.00 / 1)

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:14:25 AM EST
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I figured (none / 0)

so you're not a real Dem, are you?

Independent?

Dumb of you (and I tell Obama supporters who say they won't for Clinton "dumb of you", too, if that's any consolation)

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:19:15 AM EST
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I'm a real Dem. Always have been. (2.00 / 2)

But I truly do not believe that BO is qualified to be POTUS. In feeling that way, I also feel he could be as bad, if not worse than Jimmy Carter (whom I actually admire post-WH).

I believe that America is in such deep shit after these past 8 years that inspiration is NOT what we need...good, hard work is. And HRC, IMHO, is one of the best POTUS candidates I have seen in my lifetime.

I also hope with all of my heart that Hillary wins the nomination so that I am not confronted - for the first time as a voter - with no candidate to vote for.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:32:21 AM EST
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Re: I'm a real Dem. Always have been. (none / 0)

You are perfectly reasonable to believe that Clinton is the best presidential prospect this year. I disagree, but I think she's definitely #2.

Obama is qualified; he is smart enough, hard working enough, experienced enough (no executive experience, but years of legislative experience), wise enough, and he believes in very much the same policy agenda items as Clinton.

You would be making a HUGE mistake not voting for him. Why don't you think Obama is capable of good, hard work? He's done "good, hard work" his whole life.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:37:26 AM EST
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Actually, that's where I disagree most., (2.00 / 1)

He has not done any hard work (therefore I can't actually judge his work as good or bad).

He was handed bills to put his name to in the IL Senate. (Strangely he has not written history of his time in the state senate??) He started running for POTUS - actually slightly before he won the IL US Senate (against a candidate who had no shot)http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2 008/04/29/obama_run/index.html?source=ne wsletter. The only "work" he has done was with a law firm that had Rezko as a client - and I don't think you want to go there.

I take him at his word from 2004: A month after that appearance in Iowa, and after his election to the Senate, Obama told reporters, "If I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket, I would essentially have to start now, without having served a day in the Senate. Now, there are some people who might be comfortable doing that, but I'm not one of those people."

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:18:50 AM EST
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Completely inaccurate (none / 0)

His work in both the state and U.S. legislatures has involved hard work.

As for his non-political life, I will "go there". He was a community organizer (hard work), top graduate from Harvard law (hard work), head of Harvard Law Review (hard work), lawyer at a smaller firm where he concentrated on civil rights law (hard work), Constitutional law professor at a top law school (hard work).

"He has not done any hard work" is a blatant lie.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:27:36 AM EST
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We totally disagree, then. And I'm not lying. (2.00 / 1)

Cite all of the specific hard work - not just the positions he has held where he COULD have done hard work that BO actually DID?

I believe I read that he never authored a single article while editor of the Harvard Law Review.

What did he do in the IL. senate that was not related to a bill upon which everyone else had done the heavy lifting (other than add his name)? (And why won't he release his papers from that period of time?)

Did he intervene with Rezko to help the people in his district when his friend was screwing them...and the people of Illinois?

What has he done while in the US Senate - including what has he done to end the war in Iraq (and, no, his speech before he became a US senator and had no responsiblity on his shoulders and upon which he has built his only claim to fame does not count)? What is his voting record since he began his "official" run for the WH?

Did he help the Maytag strikers in Ohio when he said he would and then did nothing even though he had the ear of their employer?

Did he put in any appearance in CT on behalf if Ned Lamont?

Did he ever tell Rev. Wright to tone it down or have one of his "intellectual" discussions with "his uncle" to get Wright to see that some of what he was saying might not be Wright? (No, only when the shit hits the fan does he attempt to make things OK).

I repeat, I agree with BO when he said:

"If I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket, I would essentially have to start now, without having served a day in the Senate. Now, there are some people who might be comfortable doing that, but I'm not one of those people."

So why did he do it?

Ego. And, dear God, we don't need another suit filled only with ego in the WH.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:49:17 AM EST
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Heh, what a joke (none / 0)

"As editor for two semesters, Obama spent 50 to 60 hours a week holed up in a second-floor office of Gannett House, a 19th century building overlooking Cambridge Common. He reviewed hundreds of articles, on topics ranging from corporate law to racial bias in auto pricing, and presided over long, heated debates in the cluttered first-floor lounge."

Cite the "specific" hard work? Cite ANYTHING that shows that he skated along at any point in his life.

The "just add his name" nonsense is unfounded.

As for his Senate career, read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obam a#Senate_career

Calling him an "empty suit" is a joke and a lie.

Seriously, STOP TALKING until you know what you're talking about.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:01:30 AM EST
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I'm an attorney.... (2.00 / 1)

and I know how hard law school is let alone being the editor of any of the law journals.

BUT that doesn't make people POTUS candidates!

Good heavens. Everyone works hard these days. Everyone! My daughter is busting her butt on her PhD - at least as much as BO did on the law review - and I'm not ready to suggest she run for POTUS.

You trivialize our discussion by resorting to such statements.

I notice here that anytime a Clinton supporters tries to "have a discussion", the "kill the messenger" behavior begins and there is no discussion.

That's very sad. For you. For me. And for this country.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:09:26 AM EST
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So you admit you lied (1.00 / 1)

First of all, you yourself said he never did any hard work. Make up your mind --- did he do no hard work, or is it impossible to tell what hard work is because everyone does it, in exactly the same amounts?

I am also an attorney, and I also went to law school and was on a law journal, and I can confidently state that the editor of a law journal worked harder than most his/her classmates. Yet you trivialized his time there. Classy.

You trivialize our discussion by purposefully ignoring/dismissing Obama's long life of accomplishment in order to make the false argument that he hasn't done anything of hard work or value in his public and private careers.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:14:17 AM EST
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I'm asking for specific work... (2.00 / 1)

not positions held.

I haven't said he isn't a hard worker...I've said he has never done hard work on his own. You know...authored, originated and seen through to the end. Done. Finished. Completed.

I can cite things in my life that I did. I know, from what you say that you can, too.
What has he done?

And a wikipedia puff piece does not "prove" anything. Where are his IL. state senate records?

Geeesh.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:19:48 AM EST
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hahahahaha (none / 0)

What a joke!

"I've said he has never done hard work on his own. You know...authored, originated and seen through to the end. Done. Finished. Completed." Except, you know, for those best-selling books he AUTHORED himself.

Look, you feel free to keep making stupid and empty requests. "Not positions held" --- yea, pretend that such a thing isn't proof of hard work of that position. Obama worked 50-60 hours a week running the Harvard Law Review for two semesters. The publication of those reviews is SPECIFIC PROOF of the work he did. Work he did "on his own" in his capacity as president.

HAHAHAHAHA A list of his co-sponsored legislation, committee roles, etc., is a "puff" piece.

You are a joke. Seriously, a joke.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:30:49 AM EST
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BO speaks like Bush...in short, clipped (2.00 / 2)

phrases...like they can't remember how to sring more than four words together at a time.

Like Bush, the sound is turned off whenever BO appears on Our Tube.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:09:29 AM EST
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HAHAHAHA (2.00 / 1)

Worst analysis EVER!!!

Congratulations!

Seriously, the hate some of you have for Obama is bizarre --- it's literally distorted your view of reality.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:11:34 AM EST
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Well, I've had a lot of other people... (2.00 / 2)

tell me the same thing, so here's another thing that members of the Obamanation just can't think about their leader.

Yup - his "gifted" speaking abilities actually don't work with at least half of the great unwashed masses.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:14:26 AM EST
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Re: Well, I've had a lot of other people... (2.00 / 1)

Um, OF COURSE his speaking abilities work. It's one of the reasons that he has so many people showing up at every campaign stop. He's an invigorating and dynamic speaker.

Clearly, his abilities have been working. That's why his speeches are youtube hits (at least for political discourse), that's why the huge crowds show up, that's why EVERY SANE COMMENTATOR has recognized and acknowledged his abilities on TV.

"I've had a lot of other people tell me the same thing" --- you need to hang out with less delusional people.

So weird how the hatred of Obama manifests itself.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:18:14 AM EST
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All talk - no action. (none / 0)

But you ignore the obvious: his "gifted" speaking abilities actually don't work with at least half of the great unwashed masses.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:52:54 AM EST
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Re: All talk - no action. (none / 0)

Well, at least you're admitting that he has the ability.

I'm not sure what you mean by "work." His abilities won't magically turn all Republicans into Democrats, for example. His abilities won't win the hearts of all his haters within his own party.

But yea, he's got the skills. Just admit it, it'll feel nice.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:03:33 AM EST
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"Gifted" in " " ... (2.00 / 1)

means I don't believe he has gifted speaking abilities.

Seriously, the guy's speaking tone, mannerisms, and clipped style really leaves me cold.

We do not listen to ObamaBot at our house.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:11:19 AM EST
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"all talk" (none / 0)

I took that to mean you were admitting he could at least speak well (even if you disagree with his abilities), but apparently you want to keep denying reality.

Look, if you don't like his speaking style, you are in the significant minority of opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you just come off as ridiculous if you argue that Godfather III was better than Godfather I or II. It's nonsensical, even if you are entitled to that opinion.

"ObamaBot"? Grow up.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:16:40 AM EST
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Re: Well, I've had a lot of other people... (none / 0)

Why must the Obama fans always categorize any criticism of their hero as 'hatred.' It's not hatred it's scepticism or disagreement. The hatred is the same trick the Republicans use to dismiss any criticism of the presiding genius in the white house. Obama is clearly a very talented and charismatic man. He is a magnificent orator, but so was Willim Jennings Bryan and he lost for the democratic party three times. Or how about Adlai Stevenson, another magnificent speaker, he only lost twice. The just don't seem to be able to see the difference between personal charisma and electoral math. If he's the nominee he's destined to lose, just as Stevenson and Bryan did for all their talents because they were not enough.

by ottovbvs on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:00:54 AM EST
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Re: Well, I've had a lot of other people... (none / 0)

Otto, you missed the point of all this.

You admit that Obama is, in fact, a "magnificent orator." That's pure and simple truth.

So, to deny that truth, there have to be special circumstances. Often, hatred is the explanation.

A secretary in my office HATES Obama and loves Clinton. I have to hear all the time about how she despises him. Hatred for him is a real thing.

But yea, OF COURSE there is a difference between personal charisma and electoral math --- but I was just focused on the speaking ability part.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:05:41 AM EST
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But you're dismissing the fact that (2.00 / 1)

my husband and I TRULY DO NOT LIKE HIS SPEAKING STYLE.

It has nothing to do with BO - except that everyone talks about his gifted talk.

We disagree. Totally.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:13:02 AM EST
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Re: But you're dismissing the fact that (none / 0)

Yea, and you are in the vast minority, and that's fine.

I think it is likely, however, that your view of his speaking style is tied to your feelings about Obama.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:18:04 AM EST
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You're wrong about that. (none / 0)

I felt that way when I was undecided back in January.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:28:41 AM EST
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Re: But you're dismissing the fact that (2.00 / 1)

His speaking style is only present when it is scripted and rehearsed. When he speaks off the cuff he stammers for words and and has trouble putting a sentence together. So yes he has better memorization skills than "W" but without a script he is only a slightly more effective communicator than him.

"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"

by RedstateLib on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:23:58 AM EST
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HAHA (none / 0)

"Slightly more effective" than Bush?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:28:35 AM EST
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Re: Well, I've had a lot of other people... (none / 0)

"""That's pure and simple truth."""

Truth?

YOu believe in truth? Capital T truth?

Wingnut.

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:18:57 AM EST
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snark? (none / 0)

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:20:05 AM EST
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Re: snark? (none / 0)

Not snark.

Anyone who believes in some deep immutable TRUTH is a wingnut in my book.

Truth is a personal thing. All people have diffferent truths.

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:43:03 AM EST
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hahahahaha (none / 0)

"There is no truth" is "truthiness", which is the true wingnut outlook.

Truths do exist, my friend. It's literally true that I am in Charlotte right now. It's literally true that Nolan Ryan was a great baseball pitcher.

"All people have different truths" --- that way lies the moral relativism of madmen. Don't go there.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:47:07 AM EST
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I don't think Obama is a... (2.00 / 1)

magnificent orator. I think the press has latched on to this. To me he sounds like any phony preacher in church in terms of his cadence. And before this becomes racial as usual, I don't approve of that speechifying in my Catholic Church either by my lily white priests either. Obama is good, not great.

by handsomegent on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:24:46 AM EST
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Re: Well, I've had a lot of other people... (2.00 / 2)

No you missed the point. Namely the overly broad generalization that any criticism of Obama amounts to "hatred" of him. It doesn't anymore than disdain for Bush amounts to hatred of him. It's nonsensical hyperbole. I think he's a great speaker but then so are Jesse Jackson and Newt Gingrich and Antonin Scalia. I don't hate any of them and neither do I think any are equipped ot be president.

by ottovbvs on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:30:40 AM EST
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Re: Well, I've had a lot of other people... (none / 0)

Missed the point again. There is hate for Obama. This doesn't explain every criticism of Obama, but it does often explain why some people insist on unrealities, like "Obama is a terrible public speaker" or "Obama isn't qualified to be dogcatcher" etc. Some criticisms are so ridiculous as to be probably sourced in hatred for the man.

Same thing for Clinton. Saying she's "bitchy", ridiculous sexist stereotypes, etc. are all based on hate.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:49:59 AM EST
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Re: Well, I've had a lot of other people... (2.00 / 1)

These ridiculous comments are not based on hate. They are based on over heated emotion. Hate is what causes you to kill people or send them to concentration camps. I don't expect the most rabid ranter here to do anything about it. Of course people say these kinds of things, they say them about their mothers in law, brothers, next door neighbours. I have a problem with this destruction of reason and language. If every bad word we say about the guy next door, or Obama, becomes hate speech we have a problem.

by ottovbvs on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:19:54 AM EST
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Re: Well, I've had a lot of other people... (none / 0)

um, "hate" definitely exists short of concentration camps.

"Hate" is can manifest itself very easily in these circumstances.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:25:11 AM EST
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Freeper alert (2.00 / 1)

This guy is a wingnut I think.
Liberal chattering elite?
Darn libruls!
I call wingnut.

Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!

by Drewid on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:41:19 AM EST

idjit alert (none / 0)

This guy is fruitloop, I think.
Wingnut?

I call idjit.

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:21:00 AM EST
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Re: Freeper alert (none / 0)

not hardly, life long democrat, voted for every presidential nominee since carter. do not let reality stop you howeve.

by blackflag on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:57:14 PM EST
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Re: it has to to be time for a speech by Obama (2.00 / 1)

Mildly amusing but there's no getting around the fact that although Obama was shocked, shocked, at what the Rev was saying he's been sitting there listening to the same stuff for 20 years. Do the Obama fans not see that this is transparently obvious to the average American voter. As it happens I actually agree with some of the alleged crazy man's rants. He goes overboard of course but some of the things he says aren't that far off the mark. For Obama to now be giving us the shocked routine basically makes him look a bit silly or at the very least lacking in judgement. Basically his previous line made much more sense but he obviously didn't have the guts to stick with it.

by ottovbvs on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:44:51 AM EST

Well said. I actually agree with some (2.00 / 1)

of what Wright rants about. BUT it's the ranting, the anger and the hatred that turns me off.

There are so many other - more productive - ways to say that America is not so great in some respects other than God D*mn America.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:17:28 AM EST
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Re: Well said. I actually agree with some (none / 0)

My fave Wright quote was along the lines of

"God damns some things America does"

What a goofball. God doesn't damn 'things', he damns souls to hell. It is the definition of 'damn'.

ONe thing Wright is NOT is steeped in Christian doctrine.

Makes me wonder...

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:22:53 AM EST
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Interesting observation. (none / 0)

I am a lapsed Lutheran, so my memory of religious details is - well, also lapsed.

I live by one rule: I will treat other people the same way I want to be treated.

by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:34:16 AM EST
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Re: Well said. I actually agree with some (2.00 / 2)

You're completely forgetting context. He was rallying his faithful. Hitler would never have become the leader of a great movement by sounding like a drawing room philosopher. In fact forgetting context seems to be standard practice around here. The fact is there is a lot of anger and sensitivity in the Black community. We used to call it a chip on the shoulder. It's entirely legitimate given their history and indeed outrages that occur today like the NYC shooting some months back. So all the sweet reasonable stuff makes you sound like a bit of milk and water liberal. Of course people don't like to talk about any of this, hence my comment that basically Obama is being incoherent for political reasons. It aint' going to do much good and it damages his cred.

by ottovbvs on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:45:06 AM EST
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Spot On! (none / 0)

by observer5 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:33:10 AM EST

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