Sorry I see.

You can't be sure they would all declare for her , even if they wanted too it might not be tomorrow.

Why are you restless.

New York, according to the diarist. ;-)

I do not doubt that it will be all 4.  The add-ons are picked by state conventions and state Executive Committees; these organizations make sure to pick superdelegates that reflect the will of the state.  That has been the pattern since the Moreover, since this is her home state, I'm sure that Hillary will exert even more pressure to ensure that all support her.  Just as Obama will exert great pressure to ensure that Illinois add-ons will go for him.

And every single one that has done so went going against Clinton.  Do you suggest that this fight continue even if one or the other gets 2025 or 2208 (which ever delegate majority you recognize)?  Do you want to fight until August?  Won't that destroy the Democrats chances in November?  Is that your goal?

The error is yours here, and not the diarist's. The diary and poll explicitly noted that a supermajority of SUPERdelegates is what Hillary would need and that is a fact.

I never said a supermajority is necessary to win the nomination.  I said SHE needs a supermajority of the remaining superdelegates to win the nomination.

Bob, I could understand that argument in Feb., but now in May it just doesn't make sense.  And the reason being is that in order to see the great benefits of Clinton candidacy after she has been promoting that over the past 17 months would convince superdelegates require us to ignore a lot of evidence to the contrary. Clinton received the support of over 200 superdelegates in 2007.  I signed up for Hillary's e-mails and I remember receiving countless announcements of superdelegates announcing their support for her.  They came towards the end of 2007 at a rate of 1 to 2 a day.  This was a element of her "inevitability" argument.  In 2008, Obama has received near 200 superdelegates' support.  All news reports indicate that Obama has a reserve of superdelegate support. This is announced in public spheres like Politico, AP, Washington Post, mrsuper.org, and DemConWatch.  Politico is reporting that it looks like Obama is going to win the majority of Capitol Hill superdelegates.  And that was before Obama earned the endorsement of 3 House members today, including Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA), who has deep ties to the Clintons.  And it seems like every single day Obama cuts Clinton's lead among party official delegates.

And it is not just among superdelegates that we are seeing Obama's position as the Democratic nominee becoming established, but in media focus and GOP attacks we are seeing that Obama is being treated like the nominee.  The media seems to lead with Obama all the time.  Their bashing him with Wright and Ayers, like they did with Clinton on Flowers and Vietnam.  The GOP is not even talking about Clinton (Politico) or if they do they praise her (as Bill Kristol did, you think he'll been doing that in October).

So to believe in your answer requires me to not believe in the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.  And if this was a city council election I could, the same if this was a county election, a mayoral election, an Assembly election, a state senate election, a House election, a Senate election or a gubernatorial election.  But this is a presidential election.  They've picked their candidate we need to pick ours.  This needs to be a time of healing and unity or else November will be a time of losing (not House or Senate, but presidential, no matter who we nominate).  Instead every single day, we're tearing each other apart.  Not only here, but EVERYWHERE.  

If we could end this tomorrow, but in favor of Clinton I would do it in a heart beat, b/c I HATE this war, I HATE this economy, I HATE this health care system.  I HATE where this country is going and we end it NOW.  So, if you can't tell me how she wins, perhaps you can tell me when we will know?  Or if you can't tell me that, then maybe you can tell me how do we win if we keep tearing at each other until August...or June?

no, rules committee is set by delagates.  popular vote does not matter.

Wrongggg. This diary is great, because it requires the HRC supporters to conjure logic based in reality, and THAT is entertainment.  

Susan,

Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with them because I feel Hillary is the best for the country at this stage.

I am curious to know how things are shaping up in Oregon. Any first hand insights will be helpful. Based on the kind of blog comments I have read from people in Oregon, it seems very pro-Obama. Is that the reality or just virtual blog world?

Good comment, and I whole-heartedly respect your position as it is much like my experience over the years backing losing candidate after losing candidate.  There are hard feelings however with respect to damage incurred over the course of the primary.  The diarist is making the point that Clinton's nomination relies heavily on the destruction of the other leading candidate to the point that remaining supers have no choice BUT to support her.  Not what I would call a noble course.  

There's a difference between a Democrat shredding a Democrat and a Republican shredding a Democrat.  I read your previous comment and believe me I understand where you're coming from.  I've been exactly where you've been on many candidates.  The great strength of our party is the passion of its members, but that could also be the detriment.  Like I said to bobbank, if this were any other election I wouldn't say anything and just talk about my candidate, but that's not what this is.  This is a presidential election.  Not only is this a presidential election, but this may be the most important presidential election in a generation.  If John McCain wins, there's going to be a draft, b/c there is no way we are going to be able to continue this war against Afghanistan, Iraq and possibly Iran without one.  If John McCain wins, there is no health care reform, more conservatives of the SC and a burgeoning economic crisis.

I always thought that we support candidates to promote positive policies.  But the longer this primary continues, the less likely it is for those policies to be enacted.  If this had remained a positive promotion of both candidates, this diary would not exist.  The problem is that this has descended into a divisive destruction of both candidates that is harming our chance of changing this country.  And I'm tired.  I'm tired of witnessing death and tragedy and being able to do nothing.  I'm tired of seeing my air get dirtier and being able to do nothing.  I'm tired of being ashamed of my government for its unconstitutional, unethical and incompetent actions.  B/c if my protesting, my vigil-attending, my phone-calling and letter-writing has taught me anything, it has taught me that we cannot do the big things without the presidency.  We CAN'T lose and every day this continues we're more likely to.

I respectfully disagree.  Clinton is constantly defending her attacks with the "this is what the republicans would do anyway" excuse.  That's a highly presumptuous position to take.  

I'm sure a thinking person like yourself might have found the ABC debate a little distasteful, or at least lacking in substance.  She won some points mybe, but at what cost?  I'm sure you appreciate Hillary more on policy after all.  

But, if you do feel OK with the tenor of the political discourse as of late, and are resigned  to the "reality" of the old "politics as usual", than you have your candidate.  Obama supporters are committed to fighting for change and understand that change cannot be delivered via the old, low road of "politics as usual".