Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her candidacy

I have developed a sick addiction to reading hillaryis44 over the last few days. They don't bother me . . . I feel sorry for them. I know that is going to come off as condescending, but you should really read some of the comments out there.

Ben Smith must have been reading my mind, because he posted an entry into his blog that I had read earlier on hillaryis44. It confirmed that Donna Brazile had this exchange with members of hillaryis44:


    Do you know how many undeclared supers are now just turned off by people like you? Do you understand you're hurting her and not promoting Hillary? Perhaps that explains why a candidate like Obama has raised $40 million in one month. You don't have to e-mail me again.

   I just sent Hillary a private e-mail telling her that supporters like you are destroying her candidacy.

You can read the last two days of blog comments at hillaryis44 to see how this developed.

Below is the alleged email that fired up Donna Brazile:


"I do support Senator Clinton , But should she not be the Democratic party nominee, I am extremely positive i won?t be voting for Barack Obama now or in a GE. Mc Cain is looking much better to me" "Some of those reasons are: 1.Rev Wright ,trinity churches black theology , supporting Farrakhan and hamus and the whole obama?s 20 year relationship etc. 2 Million man march with Farrakhan which was organized and participated by in front and center by Barack Obama 3. His relationship with William Ayers/weather underground 4. His long and complicated relationship with Antoine ?Tony? Rezko 5. His arrogances are trouble some and should not be a trait of a world leader?s image 6. He supports Nuclear energy and protects them 7. Although he say?s he?s Patriotic, I don?t see evidence of that 8. He?s been lying about many things ( I want and need a president I can TRUST) 9. He lacks Economic and Foreign policy expierence 10. His support of his brother ?Ondinga, his lack of denouncing and rejecting what odinga supporters did in Kenya 11. he can?t admit he takes special interests money 12. there IS plenty of evidence that he is a muslim, being muslim alone does not bother me, but lying about it, trying to hide it does 13 His manipulating the FEC committee (lack of one, lack of control on finances) 14. It?s apparent that his wife Michelle also shares these above things with him and she is not ?first lady of the usa? material." "Those listed above are also reasons that if he is YOUR nominee as to why I also will NOT BE DONATING to Obama or the DNC. I am sure your aware that at least 29% of Clinton Supporters agree with me, as I am sure there are still a Good Portion of John Edwards supporters that will Follow suit"

I know there are bad apples on both sides of the fence, but I think the humor that hillaryis44 was giving me is being replaced with disappointment.



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HA! (2.00 / 1)

Somebody emailed DONNA BRAZILLE to attack "trinity churches black theology," what an idiot


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:35:59 PM EST

Re: HA! (2.00 / 1)

The hillis44 member later apologized to the group, and asked if they should leave hillis44 . . . they all defended her.

Read the soap opera at the link above.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:38:05 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 4)

Donna Brazile, please.  Talk about a shrill.  She was key to Al Gore's loss.  Her only interest is her own self promotion.  Democracts must be crazy to listen to her.  She is the GOP's dream.

david


by giusd on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:36:20 PM EST

Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 2)

I respect Brazile, and DO NOT blame her for Gore's loss.

She is an inspiration to millions of young women in America.


by FOB92 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:40:32 PM EST
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Brazile: An inspiration (2.00 / 4)

Right - what about Geraldine and Clinton

Not Inspirational I guess


by indus on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:44:34 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: An inspiration (2.00 / 2)

Would you be happy if I listed over 300 female super delegates?

They are all inspirations, but that email above was not inspiring for a Democrat.


by FOB92 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:48:08 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: An inspiration (2.00 / 1)

remind me? what are Brazile's achievements? Did she cure cancer?
I remember she asked Bush sr. to "fess up" about his affair.
by rocky on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:03:21 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: An inspiration (2.00 / 3)

Are you seriously ridiculing this role-model for young AA women?!


by FOB92 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:05:58 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: An inspiration (2.00 / 1)

i am not aware of any achievements. Why dont you list those?


by rocky on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:25:41 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: An inspiration (none / 0)

guisd that is ratings abuse - there is nothing whatsoever in that comment that warrants a 1 - please read the rules.


by interestedbystander on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:49:42 AM EST
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Re: Brazile: An inspiration (none / 0)

FOB92 rated my post as a troll and i do not see for what reason this was done.  Thus, i feel justified rating his post as a troll as well.

Please explain why you did not post a similar statement to FOB92 calling out his rating of my post as a troll.  Since you did not do that i can assume that there is a double standard.

david


by giusd on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:46:57 AM EST
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Re: Brazile: An inspiration (none / 0)

Nope - just didn't notice it.


by interestedbystander on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:36:07 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: An inspiration (none / 0)

What is he talking about . . . where are the troll ratings in this thread?


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:11:40 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 2)

What a ratings abuser you are.


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:03:26 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 1)

She is a superdelegate, and she is asking you to reflect better on the candidate.  She was polite to you in her remarks and was trying to give you some helpful feedback.

I live in a state that voted for Hillary in the primary.  Most of my friends and office mates are supporters of Senator Clinton. These are nice women with whom I have worked for years and they are entitled to their views.  

I can't imagine swearing at them, or telling them the folks they support or who make statements are #!#$%!$#$#!$!$ or whatever swears and name calling I have read on these pages.
She is not disagreeing with your views, she is disagreeing with the really poor skills you are demonstrating in your way of communicating.

And she is correct.  Some of my colleagues who have supported Mrs. Clinton for many years have expressed disappointment with her behavior these past weeks.  That is their feeling.

We were all saying that it is unfortunate that she hired Burson Marsteller/BKSH as her campaign consultants.  This is the same lobby/policy firm that Senator McCain is working with, and this may contribute to her difficulties.  This firm is being paid more by Mr. McCain.  

I'm not sure I understand why she hired this firm since they are also working for an opponent candidate.  This is the kind of thing you , as her supporters and funders, should be watching.  Your candidate represents YOU and has responsibilities to you as her constituents, one of which is making careful decisions about who has access to her campaign.  Some of what is going on here may not be coming from Senator Obama.  It may be coming from Republicans.


by URKnot on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:20:09 PM EST
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Mark Penn ties to GOP (none / 0)

I wonder why this isn't getting play . . . even on MSNBC??


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:32:03 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 1)

Some of my colleagues who have supported Mr. Obama for many (1-2) years have expressed disappointment with his behavior these past weeks.  That is their feeling.


by Sandeep on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:45:24 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 0)

Nothing wrong with that, everyone is allowed their own views.

But you certainly don't accuse your friends of being shills or anything else negative regardless of their political commentary, do you?

This is the point of this diary.  Clinton supporters are trashing SDs - in public even - and somehow expecting that to work in their favor.

When was the last time you asked your neighbor to borrow his lawn mower while calling him a jerk?  

Same thing.

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:54:17 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 4)

Brazile? A person who pretends to be objective but isn't? The one who gave Gore terrible advice? The one who ran the Dukakis campaign? Yes, let's take the opinions of losers.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:36:54 PM EST

Re: Brazile: (none / 0)

I guess you won't be looking for Hillary's opinions on stuff pretty soon.


by animated on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:38:56 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 4)

What are you going to do when Obama loses either in June or Nov?


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:43:24 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 0)

Once Obama defeats Clinton (and he will), I have every confidence that he'll go on to crush McCain.


by animated on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:53:39 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 2)

Haven't looked at those state by state polls have you? Feh, I guess it's nicer to keep your head in the sand. More comfortable.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:01:30 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (none / 0)

Those state-by-state polls had Dukakis and Kerry winning too.

It is too early . . . and moveon.org is going to swiftboat McCain into retirement!


by FOB92 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:03:30 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (none / 0)

Moveon? LOL! Wright was just the opening shot and look what he's done to Obama's numbers already. People already think they know McCain whereas Obama has failed to define himself. Obama and his campaign have created "white resentment" that will cause voters not to support him and the GOP will be able to exploit this. Too many people also can't get past the fact that he's not qualified either.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:12:35 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 1)

YOU are SOOOO correct - WE should look at what Wright did, or maybe it is what Tuzla did:

Read PAGE 2 - http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Mar08c -politics.pdf

   Do you think [candidate] shares the values most Americans try to  
live by, or doesn't (s)he?

   Obama 70%
    McCain 66%
    Clinton 60%

Their writeup:

   The biggest gap between Obama and Clinton on this comes from  
Republicans. Most Republicans, 52%, think Obama shares America's  
values but far fewer, only 27%, think Clinton does. Independents and  
Democrats think they both do, but Obama fares better here, too, by 13  
points. Republicans and Independents both think McCain shares  
America's values, and half of Democrats do.


by FOB92 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:14:30 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (none / 0)

Sorry . . . I wish it wasn't this bad.


by FOB92 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:15:55 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (none / 0)

I think that was more wishful thinking on his/ her part:)


by animated on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:45:31 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 0)

Reverend Wright was an invited guest at the White House specifically attending an event where Bill Clinton acknowledged wrongdoing following some unfortunate events back then.  Rev. Wrights remarks were a few minutes taken from a movie; he was quoting a FOX news program.  They only quoted the part where he was quoting FOX.

Kind of sad that a kindly pastor and veteran who is older and about to retire, after years of service to families, individuals and many charitable activities in Chicago- a life of service as a Christian pastor with a long prior record of good faith and works, is being used by Burson Marsteller/ BKSH and FOX news as a target and scapegoat.  He is receiving death threats and has to live in fear.

I wonder if the media could maybe take some small something you once said, and maybe slant it to look like something different that what you actually said . . . and they have all the power and everyone believes awful things of you because all these powerful forces have created a very distorted picture of your actual words.

Now imagine that was some older person, maybe an old uncle or grandfather this was being done to.

I wonder how you would feel if your picture in your job was blasted all over the news in a really distorted way?  Maybe one day you will have the experience yourself.  Especially if you allow this behavior to happen to others, for any reason.


by URKnot on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:29:52 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 1)

"Blessed are you when men revile you and utter all manner of false things about you for my sake".


by URKnot on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:30:56 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 1)

Very heartfelt commentary on Wright.  But what does attending the White House with around a hundred other clergy have to do with Obama's relationship with Wright?  The Clintons also had a picture taken with Rezko, and alas, no new million dollar home for them.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:32:09 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (none / 0)

Blagojevich will be the sacrificial lamb in the Rezko trial, and read the MyDD front page.

Sticks and stones may break bones, but Wright didn't hurt Obama.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:36:48 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (none / 0)

Factually, this is interesting: "no new million dollar home".  I believe I heard something today, as their tax records are about to be released that there is substantial income well in excess of a million dollars . . . and some of it is placed in the Cayman Islands.

there was also mention of a property worth several million outside of the United States.  Also that their net worth is somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 million dollars, all of it acquired in the last seven years.

I believe the tax records will reveal some of this in the coming days.  I am waiting to see if this is what is confirmed from several sources, but this was one report.

that is a lot of money, and in fact places the Clintons in the category of the "super" rich.


by URKnot on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:37:02 AM EST
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Ah, the race card (none / 0)

I wondered how long it would be before one of you brought it up.  


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:45:59 AM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 2)

Actually, Dukakis was losing in state by state polls too. Kerry also. Both had better national numbers much like Obama. Dukakis did well after the Dem convention but one 527 ad killed him off.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:14:12 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (2.00 / 2)

So where were you when Obama was way ahead Hillary in GE matchups vs. McCain? Apparently they didn't count a month ago but they suddenly do now. Hmmm...

Maybe it's because this kind of defeatism is the last argument you guys have to cling to. After all, Hillary trails in every other metric - delegates, popular vote, enthusiasm. Plus, Obama's crushing her 2-1 in fundraising. I expect the same ratio vs. McCain this fall.


by animated on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:41:55 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: (none / 0)

Tack on "the one who led the charge to take away all of FL delegates instead of just half" leading us into this debacle.


by Jerome Armstrong on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 10:05:48 AM EST
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Re: Brazile: (none / 0)

That is a fair comment, but what isn't fair is ignoring the filth of Alex Rodriguez's hillis44 website. He just wants to pick a fight, and has no good intentions.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:44:20 PM EST
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Waste of time (2.00 / 0)

Donna is wasting her time even responding to nutjobs like the letter writer. She's only feeding them what they want - attention.


by highgrade on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:39:57 PM EST

Re: Waste of time (2.00 / 1)

I don't think HRC wanted this kind of attention on the widely-read Politico.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:41:37 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (none / 0)

Don't be nasty now.


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:40:56 PM EST

Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her (2.00 / 4)

Yes Donna, we know exactly how many undeclared supers are turned off by that: One


by LakersFan on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:43:20 PM EST

Turning off SDs... (2.00 / 1)

I'm sure more than one.

These are all accomplished people, and being threatened and insulted isn't something succesful folks usually take with a smile.

I would love to see a journalist ask Carville precisely what he meant when he said that his comments about Richardson were intentional and "had the desired affect".  The only desired affect I can imagine is to threaten SDs with public insults and retribution by the Clinton machine.

That ain't no way to make friends...

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:49:06 PM EST
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Re: Turning off SDs... (none / 0)

Perhaps, but Brazile is full of it no matter what. She's the master of saying "many people are saying" to forward her own opinions as though they're widespread. I really don't believe most of what she says.


by LakersFan on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:33:48 PM EST
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Brazile is destroying her own reputation (2.00 / 4)

Poor Donna.  It sounds like she is all twisted up in knots.  She runs such a good campaign herself, that she ought to know how to do it.  Not.


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:47:25 PM EST

Re: Brazile is destroying her own reputation (2.00 / 2)

I'm sorry FOB, did I say something forbidden by the Obama campaign?  Are there other forbidden words, I should know about?


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:01:38 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (2.00 / 5)

Brazile is the worst of the lot, she was the one who intially stripped MI and FL of ALL their delegates. She was one who propagated the now debunked "fairytale" smear. She is partisan for Obama and should receive every grief that comes her way. I have no sympathies for her.


by tarheel74 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:48:36 PM EST

Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (1.00 / 3)

Are you the same tarheel who supported JRE.  If you are you are not the same tarheel that used to bash Hillary.  By the way I support Obama, and Donna Brazile has been non-biased this whole primary.  I am sure she as an AA wanted to say a lot of things about how the Clintons are using Rev Wright and race to smear Obama.  I grow more and more ashamed of the Clintons every day.  I never in my wildest dreams thought they would use a pastor that they invited to the White House to show support for Bill Clinton after he cheated on his wife and lied to the american people, but Rev Wright accepted the invitation and stepped up to defend Bill Clinton.  Shame on the Clintons!  Shame on the Clintons!


by Spanky on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:59:50 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (2.00 / 3)

you sound confused. Wright was invited before he made those 9/11 comments with hundreds of other pastors. If he had been left out then people like you would have cried racism. Which brings me to your charge that Hillary used Wright to beat up Obama, I need proof. She did not but he did it to himself, then he very disingenuously released the picture you mention to shift the focus on Clintons making it a legitimate campaign issue. Obama was trying to have it both ways...shame on him and people like you who support him in their messianic fervor.
Finally as far as Donna Brazile being non-biased goes, you need to go back and see everything again. She was the first person to twist the "fairytale" comment as racist and run away with it in prime-time tv...that is race-baiting. She has done more harm to the Democratic party (over the years Dukakis, Gore included) with this than imaginable.
by tarheel74 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:14:03 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (none / 0)

uprated. if someone didn't like the tone, a 1 would have sufficed.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:02:34 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her (2.00 / 1)

wow those people at that site are just plain freaky!


My dream is Hillary will sponser a joint resolution to authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces against Trinity Church
by denounceandreject on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:49:42 PM EST

Donna Brazile (2.00 / 6)

Donna Brazile is in the tank for Obama.  Nothing new here.  She wants Hillary to lose.


by karajan72 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:55:37 PM EST

And she has a lot of company (none / 0)


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:48:37 AM EST
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Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (2.00 / 3)

Has Donna Brazile read DailyKos? She is the same one who thinks Obama shouldn't be held responsible for Wright's actions, but she is now holding Clinton responsible for her supporters' actions?

O wow!


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:02:15 PM EST

She Needs to Move On (2.00 / 3)

Donna Brazile is entitled to her opinions but she is pretending to be a neutral news analyst for CNN presumably so she can continue to rake in the fat fee they pay her.

She is not neutral.  In fact, I wrote to Donna Brazile recently asking her to please be honest and declare her support for Obama so she could be replaced on CNN with someone who actually is neutral.

She wrote me back and said this:

Yes, I have not declared. But no longer willing to stay parked in the neutral zone. Coming down on the side of reality.
Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile.

Now I find it hard to believe that Hillary supporters are more aggressive than Obama supporters.  It would be nice to see some of the angry emails sent to Mayor Nutter publicized in the same way.  But you won't hear that story from Donna, and that's exactly why she should be removed from her CNN position.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:03:25 PM EST

LMAO! (1.50 / 2)

Now I find it hard to believe that Hillary supporters are more aggressive than Obama supporters.

Yesss! We will garrote you in your comfy sinecures! We will fuel the machine of our evil ambition with the skeletons of your ancestors! We will make snarky lolcats about you!!!

HAhahahaaaa...


by Ddeele on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:20:53 PM EST
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Re: LMAO! (2.00 / 1)

Actually, I deserved that TR, TexasDarlin. I don't fault you at all for delivering it.

OTOH, I still think it's funny that you (that's the collective "you", not just you, TexasDarlin) paint Hillary supporters as pacifists and Obama supporters as Demons from the ninth circle of HELL!!!


by Ddeele on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:40:44 AM EST
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Obamais44 (2.00 / 0)

I've tried reading over at echo chamber Hillaryis44, for giggles, but all the pink kills my eyes.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:04:16 PM EST

Re: Brazile (2.00 / 3)

If Donna Brazile judges a candidacy by its most rabid blogosphere elements, then she has less insight than I thought (and I didn't think she was all that insightful).  I don't think I even need to expound on the kind of double-standard that implies.

Anyway, she has been a strong Obama surrogate in the media and played her part in unnecessarily hyping up the race issue.

I will say this - many times when I write a critical letter to an editor, the response I get is something along the lines of "I appreciate that you actually gave examples to support your argument."  So these guys must get a lot of e-mails from drooling fans on auto-pilot.

A word of advice to any Clintonistas planning to e-mail or write letters to folks - some of them are actually quite nice if you approach them by being reasonable.  I can't tell you how many times I have leveled a criticism of Obama, supported it with citation, and gotten the response "I didn't know that."  So your best bet is just to provide facts and leave it to them what they will do with those facts.


by bobbank on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:09:30 PM EST

Re: Brazile (2.00 / 1)

On your second point I can agree - any sane person trying to influence another should at the very least avoid insulting them in email, or doing things like accusing them of over-hyping an issue and doubting their insight in a public forum...

Seriously, though, what is the argument again for an SD to support the second-tier candidate, with a Sniper-gate issue, a globally-renowned Kitchen Sink campaign plan, an Ickes on the inside who now unapologetically states that their target is Race and Religion, no funding and, to top it all, other SDs giving speeches where they flatly state they don't expect their candidate to be nominated?

Wright has had a flat-zero affect on Obama's standing, PA isn't going to be the 15%+ win needed for Sen. Clinton, FL and MI are not going to be seated as cast (and if they were it still wouldn't help)...

Given that Sen. Clinton herself has now turned to criticizing McCain, I think she is now looking to her future.  If she can spend the rest of the campaign giving the impression of supporting the party she can salvage her Senate career and likely become leader there and remain a solid and influential figure.

As they have both said, (and know better than those of us on the outside), these are tough contests as they should be.  In the end, however, they will both be on the same side.  The politicians will forget who said what about the other faster than Donna Brazille will forget which of us out her sent her flame mail...

I wouldn't suggest anyone who flamed her asking Donna for support after this is over.

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:49:36 PM EST
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Re: Brazile (none / 0)

Very well written!

I wish we had more like you on MyDD, since I am not a poet =o}


by FOB92 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:02:00 PM EST
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Sorry (2.00 / 2)

You seem to have confused me with someone who has an interest in trying to persuade Ms. Brazile via posts that I make on this website.  I have no interest in such an endeavor, nor do I suspect it would be fruitful; her mind was made up some time ago.  I can assure you that if I did have such interest, I would support my factual assertion with citation and example.  I don't level such accusations lightly.

In the meantime, it seems you did not get the MyDD memo - unsubstantiated cheap-shots, petty vitriol, and the regurgitation of surrogate talking points are SO two days ago.  We're moving on.  On this weekend's menu are: witty counterpoint, tongue-in-cheek humor, or meaningful conversation.  Take your pick.


by bobbank on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:02:12 PM EST
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Re: Sorry (2.00 / 1)

Make sure to send Alegre a copy of that "regurgitation of surrogate talking points" memo.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:06:28 PM EST
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Re: Sorry (none / 0)

=)


by bobbank on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:25:44 AM EST
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Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (2.00 / 2)

Oh, come on.  Brazile is neutral, but if she had to vote today, she'd obviously vote for Obama.  Does anyone find this surprising?  Is she really any less neutral than President Carter, Speaker Pelosi, Gov. Dean, who have remained neutral for various reasons, but I think we all know how they're going to vote.

The real question is where are the superdelegates who are still reasonably persuadable for Hillary?  The entire concept of Hillary continuing to tilt at windmills in this campaign was that the SDs could overturn the popularly chosen delegates, but where are these magic SDs?  On one of the cable shows today, they said that the majority of neutral SDs are from states Obama won.  I find it hard to believe that they don't know who they're voting for.

And given the seemingly herculean efforts the Clinton campaign has made to keep SDs neutral and not make a decision, its pretty clear where most SDs are in regard to who they would support.  If Hillary thought that the decision of the SDs would be at all favorable, she wouldn't be trying to keep them neutral.  So I don't understand the shock at a "neutral" SD who appears to be leaning heavily to Obama.  I'd be shocked if there were any who aren't.


by davey jones on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:25:09 PM EST

Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (none / 0)

Great point. The writing is sooo on the wall, but with the Clintons . . . I will wait before I celebrate.

I know this because I used to work for Bill.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:30:38 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (2.00 / 0)

I agree with the diarist about reading hillaryis44 for entertainment value. Ditto for Taylor Marsh's site. I like to hear/read dissenting views from my own and sometimes this takes the lower form of pure spectacle which is all those sites really are.

To be fair, hillaryis44 is more extreme than Marsh's site. I've seen vile stuff on both, but nothing tops one commenter's wish to douse Obama in gasoline and watch Hillary immolate him. For context, that comment took place during the Ohio debate. Things have gone down hill since then.


by tessellated on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:26:10 PM EST

Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (2.00 / 0)

The funniest part is how enthusiastic they are about watching Fox. "Hey man, did you catch Geraldine Ferraro on Hannity last night? Guess what Bill O'Reilly said on his radio show..." LOL


by animated on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:43:54 PM EST

Vast left wing conspiracy (none / 0)

They also think that Obama raising over $40,000,000 to HRC's $20mill is a Free Mason conspiracy!

LOL


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:51:15 PM EST
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Re: Vast left wing conspiracy (none / 0)

Really I am going to read so I can be mildly amused.

Thanks amusement is good.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:03:58 AM EST
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Pissing in the wind (2.00 / 0)

So, let me get this history right.  Hillary strong arms the superdelegates:  Carville calls Richardson Judas, something any self respecting SD is going to take offense at.  Sponsors threaten Pelosi with financial blackmail if she doesn't support Hillary's point of view.  Bill yells at the SDs over the weekend.  Hillary claims that the SDs should overturn the voice of the people to back her. Ickes threatens the SDs with racism on Wright, a heart warming topic there.  And, following Hillary's example, her supporters send nasty email to the SDs.

How is this supposed to lure the SDs to Hillary's side?  It's pissing them off.

Brazille replies to the email and to Hillary to tell her to cool it, a piece of advice Hillary and her supports might heed if they want her backing, as she is still neutral, possibly because she sees Hillary having merit.

Then, Hillary's supporters post Brazille's private comments on a website for all to see, lacking any shame, and blast her on the internet?

And this is strategy?  This is how you support your candidate?  By pissing off the superdelegates?

Your girl's only chance of winning is through your good behavior, with the public and with the SDs.  

Sometimes I think you guys are actually working to undermine Hillary.  I would feel sorry for her, but she does the same thing.  

This is called pissing in the wind.

As an Obama supporter, I would like to thank you for your dedicated service to helping him get elected.   These tactics are why I left Hillary in November.  

I dare say, he couldn't have done it without you.

Thanks again!


by Kiku on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:33:29 PM EST

Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (none / 0)

"tragic" is a more accurate word


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:44:26 PM EST

I stopped going to hillis44 (none / 0)

Along with Kos these are the two sites with the most vile content. At least Kos has the courage to associate his name with his site, nobody knows who runs Hillis44. Heck I am not even sure if it is not just one ``crazy'' person posting on the site.


by ann0nymous on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:58:55 AM EST

Re: I stopped going to hillis44 (none / 0)

To be fair, DailyKos is no where near as awful as Hillaryis44.


by shalca on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:35:16 AM EST
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Re: I stopped going to hillis44 (none / 0)

  You sure haven't visit Hillis44 site, if you think Kos is more civil. I visited the DK a few times and would only go back there if I ate something that didn't agree with my stomach and I needed to induce my vomit.


by RC01 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:12:04 AM EST
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Re: I stopped going to hillis44 (2.00 / 1)

Hillis44 is the most disgusting and vile site I have ever seen. They refer to Obama as the "devil"- use foul language to describe him and state that if he is the Nominee they will do anything it takes to make sure he is defeated. Contrast that with Obama supporters who are chastised for even mentioning a MSM article that is not flattering to Hillary and "yelled" at for negative campaigning. The Obama supporters are angelic compared the the sick & twisted Hillary people on that site. Obama supporters talk about their candidate and don't try to drag the other down. They beleive in a "new kind of politics" which is what attracted them to Obama. Get your facts straight.


by Voxlisa999 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 02:50:00 AM EST
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Re: I stopped going to hillis44 (none / 0)

    You must have visited a different site than I have. I frequently check out the hillaryis44 site and have never seen anyone to use foul language to describe him. In fact, the term more popularly used there for him is Obambi, which frankly I find it very endearing. I'm sure the real bambis out there wouldn't be too pleased with that though.


by RC01 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 03:46:55 AM EST
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Re: I stopped going to hillis44 (none / 0)

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=560#commen t-133374

#  filbertsf Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 6:16 pm

I think Henry's right. Go past the theme song and Obamabots will joke that Rocky loses in the end despite the triumph of the will.

Scratch the Rocky theme song.

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=560#commen t-133463

#  basil9 Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 7:38 pm

OMG, I got so distracted by the brillo-head comedy I forgot to post this.

Anyone hear about the press conference TUUC held today to get the press to back off? Astroturf strategy for sure. AND they've scheduled some sort of `reconciliation" meeting or something on May 18.

Dobbs could not get over it. "Why would they want to keep drawing attention to themselves," he asked. Fat-a$$ Crawley of course defended them, saying, "But there were REPORTERS in the PEWS!' like she was real shocked and like it was something SHE wouldn't have done if she needed a story AND she could squeeze her butt into a pew.

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=560#commen t-133476

#  basil9 Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 7:51 pm

filbert,

`Brazile happens to be a thug in a high position and suit'.

LMAO! :-D
She is such a brillo-head hypocrite on those talk shows biting her tongue to keep herself from actually coming out and screaming her devotion, "I Woveeeeeeeeee Bwackie!"

Can't resist; Here's one post by Donna Brazille. (hehehehe - about 2 dozen down)
`Life is a ***! Don't vote for one!' BTW, I wonder just where Brillo head keeps her blackberry?

That's just a quick glance at the comments in the latest post...

Looks pretty sick and twisted to me.


by kraant on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:22:38 AM EST
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Re: Brazile: HRC supporters are destroying her can (none / 0)

This is truly repugnant, and a sad commentary on the kind of Americans who make these comments.

Right now some of the folks who are being demeaned by this invective are fighting and dying in Iraq.

This is the kind of dialogue corporations are trying to stir up among Americans so they can create anger between social groups so they can split the vote, and get people to vote against their own self-interest.

This has been a Republican tactic for generations, and it is this tactic, above all others, that has closed down our economy, and is ruining protections for citizens in our laws, and eroding the Constitution.

Because while people are busy hating, the wealthy interests are skimming off the cream.

This kind of abusive language is usually the hallmark of someone who feels pretty lousy about themselves and needs to pump up a weak ego by hating some other group.  Strong, wise people don't think this way.


by URKnot on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:59:07 AM EST

Earth to internet community (2.00 / 0)

Did it ever occur to any of you that a lot of the invective could be sabotage by operatives that want to see the democratic party implode?  I don't see any democrat that I know calling anyone a 'brillo head'.  That would be so opposite to any progressive, I know in my heart that the anonymity of the internet is allowing outsiders to agitate and try to destroy us from within.  I don't care who they say they are supporting.  Every time I see flaming rhetoric, and I start to get a little heated myself, I take my head out of the clouds, and turn off my computer.  Once I am back down to earth, and grounded, I realize that democrats and progressives don't act this way, it must be outside influence.  Come on people, the in-fighting is not helpful.  Whenever you see it, you should find a bucket of water and throw it at the argument to cool it off.  How come no one sees that.  I am a HRC supporter, and I am telling you that this type of fighting is not helping anyone, not Hill or Barack.  Sheesh!


by moonheart on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 08:04:56 AM EST

Re: Earth to internet community (none / 0)

I think the owner of hillaryis44 - Alex Rodriguez (NY politico, not Ny Yankee) likes all of this. He has a rep for bating people, and he seems to relish this.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 10:00:57 AM EST
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Re: Earth to internet community (2.00 / 0)

I've thought about that too.  I've seen it, one conversation on TPM figured out that someone was really a Republican based on the source of their references, but they were posing as a supporter of a Dem candidate.

The problem is, that I see Hillary feeding this type of mentality.  James Carville calling Richardson Judas, Ickes pushing the Wright racist issue, Hillary putting McCain above Obama.

While Obama calls for people to change the tone, Bill is out there wagging his finger.  Hillary insults blacks with her MLB comment, the image of Obama dressed in African clothes, etc.

I don't see Hillary trying to keep the dialog civil.  She could denounce 44.  She could denounce Limbaugh.  She doesn't need to embrace Fox.

While Hillary can't be held responsible for what her supporters say, she certainly has not done much to try to keep it civil.  And, that she can be held responsible for.


by Kiku on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 10:22:11 AM EST
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Re: Earth to internet community (2.00 / 0)

Every single point you made about Hillary could be said for BO.  I won't bother here because it's been done ad nauseum.  What I will say is that each side sees infractions from the other side, and can document their view of how the other side is fostering flaming rhetoric.

And the fact that Hillary could denounce and distance herself from these flames is not the point, and neither is it the point that BO has not distanced himself from the flaming rhetoric from his side.  Let's be real, neither one of them can possibly distance themselves from everything that is said.

Rather my point is that while both sides are passionate about their candidate, the really out there destructive comments are probably made by republicans.  My point was, let's not forget the nature of posting anonymously.  You can play whoever you want.  We really need to develop thick skins and just ignore some of the more destructive, anti democratic invective that comes our way.  If no one plays, the idiots will go away.


by moonheart on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 06:50:54 AM EST
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