Thinking that Daily Kooks was the "best progressive blog" out there. My goodness, have I been proven wrong! The "primary wars" there have devolved into non-stop Hillary-bashing. If one dares to speak any ill against Mr. O or praise Hillary in any way, one's immediately attacked & marginalized. And now that they won't even condemn this most vile hate-speech from so-called "progressive" Randi Rhodes, it just proves our point that Daily Kooks has descended to the gutter.

Wow, sounds like me.  For many years I lurked, and learned, and enjoyed.  When the first negative Hillary diaries started coming out, I finally created a login, so that I could post my disagreements.  I think I posted only a few comments when I became really angry with the tone, and abandoned the "big orange' site completely.  Really ill-timed.

Pretty cool post here;

http://www.liberalrapture.com/

We are past now the dizzying, frothing, mindless adoration from Huffington and the Daily Kos. We are now past the snotty, childish attacks on Clinton by Olbermann and Caferty. We are into a new realm now.

This infection has a host. It is the Obama campaign

That's an absolute lie.

The majority of the commenters aren't pleased.  Everyone should go there and check for themselves if they're really this exorcised about what a handful of diarists on another site think.

What she did was despicable, very revealing of her real self.  I will never listen to her again.

I hear this stuff and always from people who claim to have been listeners to  Randy  before she recently got so mad at Hillary for pimping herself at the expense of the party and talking about how McCain is better that Obama that she felt she had to take sides.  I just don't think these people are for real. They just don't sound like people who ever could have regularly listened to and enjoyed Randy before this stuff started.  I think it is all a Hillary Clinton organized swarm.

Call me paranoid, but you will never convince me that this whole thing is not a Hillary hit.  It uses the exact same sort of MO as the way they went after Obama with a uTube thing that looked bad to people who did not understand the context.

This whack on Randy is like a horses head dumped in the bed of every other left-leaning talk show host -- just like the "Judas" hit on Gov. Richardson was a message from the Hillary Mafia to superdelagates who get out of line.

BTW the new owner of Air America, venture capitalist Charlie Kireker, is a Vermonter and he is long time Democratic party establishment person who is a very close friend of big time Hillary surrogate former Vermont Governor Madeleine Kunin. Here is an in depth profile of Charlie Kireker from a few weeks ago in the Burlington [Vermont] Free Press.

 And of course Mark Green who is still running things is himself a de facto Hillary surrogate on cable TV shout-shows where he likes to argue with Big Ed Schultz about Hillary. 

This is calculated move the the Hillary Gang intended to be the next big distraction in this primary "campaign". We are supposed to talk about this and nothing else for a week or two.  And the subtext will of course be that Obama supporters all talk about Hillary like Randy did at that comedy club-type fundraiser. And all the reporters are going to ask Obama people to talk about it rather than the fact that Obama contributions for last month were $40 million.

I suppose that since Randy has come out for Obama and her comedy rant called Hillary a "whore" people are going to demand that Obama not do something like give a major address on the position of sex workers in America.    It is all a distraction of exactly the sort that Obama warned us about.

Of course we need to fight to see that Randy gets a mike back -- even if it has to be someplace like the NovaM network -- but we can't let the ongoing fight for the soul of the Democratic Party be about this. We have a war to end and an economy to save.  And we also have to save the party from the Clinton Mafia.

Why are you engaging in some stupid turf war?

Well for the same reason that there is a war between Hillary and Obama.  It is a fight for control of the Democratic Party and this fight between MyDD and DailyKos is a part of it.

There is going to be a lot of collateral damage when this is over.  I just hope that all the people so gung ho for this war will be around and willing to help clean up the mess when this is over in not too any weeks.

You're absolutely right, and the diarist presented only one side of the story.
Do a search for "Randi Rhodes" over at Dkos and this is what you'll see, besides the comments cherry picked by the diarist:

So here's the bottom line: just because we agree with the point Randi was making does not mean we must agree with her language.  We need to be very clear that Democrats can never adopt the "It's ok if you're a democrat" mindset.  That kind of loyalty before principles thinking is Republican terrority.

Under no circumstances is it acceptable to call a sitting senator and an ex-vice presidential candidate a whore.  Under no circumstances is it acceptable to call ANY woman a whore.  Ever.  It is a blatantly sexist and offensive term.

Then there are hundreds of comments in the diaries and a few polls that showed a majority of Obama supporters were appalled by
Randi's ignorant rantings.

Daily Kos has it's problems right now, but there is still a lot of great writing going on there about the war, about the Congress, the DOJ and Mukasey and other topics.

And for the record, RR is one AAR host I rarely listen to anymore, she simply is more interested in hearing herself talk than she is in promoting Democratic ideas.

I didn't like her before she insulted Hillary and I don't like her now.

Thanks for at least being frank about that.  Randy has never been for everyone.  I really smell a rat with a lot of these people who claim to have been big Randy fans before she turned against Hillary.

Of the 5 diaries on the reclist here, usually at least 2 are nothing but personal attacks on Obama.  One of the diaries on the reclist right now is by someone who called Obama twofaced and underhanded.  

Yes lets keep some perspective on this.  There are also a lot of blogs and comments here that attack the DailyKos and Markos.  That is sort of unusual for a blog to have so much focus on attacking another larger and more successful one.  It just does not look right.

Why don't some of you just argue you case on the DailyKos?  Sure you will get people who disagree with you perhaps some will even be over the top, but that is the way it is.  Just be willing to make your case, ignore any trolls, and answer the rational replies.

That is what I do here.  I have not even been to the DailyKos the last two days because I have been on the Air America blog and here. 

But don't try to convince me that the DailyKos has turned into some sort of snake pit.  It seems to me that this place is much more that way than the DailyKos.

Has Kos ever commented on anything Randi Rhodes did? There have been other controversies involving her, and I don't recall that they've generated much attention on daily Kos, let alone from Kos himself. He probably hasn't even heard the quote in full context because Rhodes just isn't significant enough to warrant that type of attention.

As for Hitler/MyDD thing, that was about blogs, and there has been tension recently between his blog and this one, plus he wrote a book together with Jerome, and so forth, so of course what happens here is a lot closer to home for Kos.

that compared Obama to George Wallace?  I assume you wrote how over the top and offensive that comparision was.  

That diary stayed on the reclist here for a day.

I challenge you to find a DKOS diary that made the reclist that was nearly as over the top as that one was.

Why is that even relevant? Randi Rhodes doesn't work for dKos. You make it sound as if Kos himself uttered the infamous words.

This diary is just a standard bobswern complaint about dKos, this time because not everyone on a website of 150,000 agreed with him--or maybe they did agree, but didn't use the words he wanted them to. Who knows.

Well said -- shellius. This is one of the reasons -- I just wrote in another diary that I am seriously considering voting for McCain. Blogs don't matter much (or shouldn't), but increasingly -- as I witnessed supporters of a campaign not calling on their candidates to do the right thing (for eg. wrt MI, FL), or call the MSM to stop and treat their candidates fairly -- I started wondering if this is the kind of party I want to belong to! God knows how these fans will behave toward their rock star and others once he is elected.. <shudder>.

Democrats -- hear me -- you may not like this -- but Hillary was possibly  right when she said that Senator Obama 'cannot' win.

And I am amazed how Clinton supporters can continue to live in some kind of Barbie dream world where the Queen can do no wrong. So no this is not noteworthy. People dying in Iraq today is noteworthy, the genocide in Darfur is noteworthy. What some stupid idiotic shock jock says is just that. But as I have said earlier what is your obsession with kos? You guys can't stop bringing him up. You must really be missing the site.

They're not defending anything.

Go over to the site.  Read the diaries, and then the comments.  This diarist is being incredibly dishonest about the DKos community's reaction to this.

Well....she can shock this....nothing she has to say is of interest to me...If she can't complete a full sentance without a four letter word, well....what can she offer us in this historic campaign season...Let it stay at Kos with him and his followers...

Exactly! Here you can act worse than they did to you over there, but it's okay when it's the other way around, right?

Then why do you keep bringing him up. Everyday someone mentions him. Come on admit it you just can't stop thinking about kos.

Funny, you decry the bad treatment and namecalling by, uh, namecalling?!?  Brilliant.

It's because Obama supporters can think independently and do not need constant reassurance that they are supporting the right candidate. Whereas Clinton supporters are insecure about their candidate and her chances, that they have to gather and give each other constant reassurance. Read the comments on Hillaryis44,TaylorMarsh and here and you'll notice the minute a pro Hillary goes up they all run to comment with praise and reassurances.

Yeah, I read the articles last night.  I had been under the impression that most of the people at Kos weren't pleased at all with what she had said, and was confused by your diary so I went back and checked.

Turned out I was completely right.

As to "why do you come here?", why shouldn't we?  It's a strange question.

traffic has exploded over the last 3 months.

There is a wide range of opinions posted on Kos.  Many of them get arguments from various people.  So what?  

If you're interested in providing evidence, by the way, you should provide links to the actual diaries in question, not just isolated quotes.

Ugg.  I've been getting that a lot lately too.

for bad snark, who knows?

First, the fact that he is Latino doesn't mean a priori he knows about racism.  To suggest that is dead wrong.  Second, you post is nothing more that a series of insults and really i don't think what i wrote is the stupidest comment ever on this site.  So i think you should step back and correct the record.  

And let me tell you.  Unlike kos i didn't grow up in a safe middle class NW area of Chicago.  I am from Austin and this was one of the roughest changing areas of Chicago in the early 70's.  And we all know what "changing" identified in the 70's.

So with all respect i am not interested in being lectured about what racism is from someone who grew up in some safe middle class home is suburbia.

david

When you say something so incorrect it clouds my view of your every statement.  From what i can see i was number 1600 or so that joined dkos.  So when you say "you're a recent arrival to Dkos" i think we can all agree you dont really know what you are saying.  So i am waiting for you to correct the record here.

david