Media Sabotaging Obama's Chances by Airing Rev Wright?

Is the Republican-owned Media trying to Sabotage Barack Obama's campaign? Why else would they give a "retired" Rev. Wright all that Air time by blocking out all three Cable News Channels to air Rev. Wright's 45 minute speech at the National Press Club, LIKE HE IS THE PRESIDENT OR SOMEONE, something they do not even do for the Candidates themselves, John McCain, Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, block out 45 minutes of air time to air their stump speeches!

On the other hand why won't the Republican-controlled Media ask the following questions to Hillary and her surrogates who have connections to Rev. Wright and enquire about  (1)  Is it true that Hillary surrogate, Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee, is also a devotee of Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright; that he's been preaching at her home church, where she is actively involved, annually for the past 15 years and has an open invitation to return, and, that she sat in the pews for his visits and did not bat an eye? AND  (2)  s it true that Hillary surrogate, Rev. Marcia Dyson was not only a longtime member of Trinity United Church of Christ but also still considers Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright her pastor? That Rev. Marcia Dyson's seminary education, in part, was sponsored by Trinity UCC and encouraged by Rev. Wright? And was it not at Trinity were she first met her husband, Rev. Dr. Michael Dyson, who's been very vocal in his defense of Rev. Wright.?  And, (3)  lastly to Hillary Clinton, that if Rev. Wright would not have been her Pastor, then why did she and Bill when going through Impeachment, turn to Rev. Wright for Prayer and Support and invite him to the White House? These things should be asked and answered

Are Repbublicans trying to help Hillary win the Democratic nomination? Are they hoping to win the White House with the help of African-American voters turned off by the Clintons' "kitchen sink-strategy" directed at Barack Obama? Is that why McCain is so actively wooing them? These things have to be considered?   Is that why a Republican-controlled Media "daily" 24/7, through their talking heads build-up Hillary, tear/smear down Obama, hoping that Hillary will become the Democratic nominee, so they can then unleash the "arsenol" of weapons they have against her. Something they have been planning for years!   They have even engaged Karl Rove through his letter to Barack by disengenuously suggesting that Barack has lost his touch-- that he can't attract white-working class Americans, etc., something they know he can do and has done! And why is President Bush have a sudden interest in making all these speeches?  Barack has to fight a "two-headed" Giant -- the Clintons and the Republicans and their Republican-controlled Media, may be it is three heads -- an awesome destructive power and force indeed for one lone man to go up against!  These Republicans and their corporate-owned media are no friend to the average joe! They fear what Barack stands for unity and power.    

Let's be really clear, the only Ones who have made Race an Issue in this campaign are the Clintons and the Republican-controlled media -- from the start, Barack Obama has tried to transcend Race, but they will not let him, as it would be to their disadvantage... They do not want a candidate who inspires hope, unity and change so they, and the Clintons -- the two-headed Giant --are trying to bring Obama down anyway they can! The Republicans for their own reason (they don't want change) and the Clintons for theirs (they want the nomination)! Either way it is a mighty battle and if they get their way, the People Lose!  That is why Clintons and Media are trying to make this a "racial" thing, you know divide and conquer so the people cannot concentrate on the real issues and miss the boat again!

Alas, I believe it is now time for an amicable Parting of the Ways between Barack and Rev. Wright who has definitely put a sword in his side. I now understand why Barack thinks some people are bitter -- he has been conditioned to think that way by the bitterness of his former Pastor, to think that some people are bitter, although Barack was not subject to this bitterness himself but was able to overcome this conditioning and escape it rahter incorporating ther engery of  inspiration goodwill and hope instead!  I hope we the people will not be blindsided by this onslaught directed at this Candidate of Change and Hope we have in Barack Obama and miss the boat again!



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Re: Media Sabotaging Obama's Chances by Airing Rev (2.00 / 1)

The annoying thing about it is they always ask something to the effect of: "Is this going to plague Barack Obama?"  As if the answer weren't ENTIRELY in their hands.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:31:47 AM EST

why did the media air Obama's race speech (2.00 / 5)

as if he were the second coming of MLK?  What about all that free air time?


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:32:57 AM EST

Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

Um, because Obama is running for president, and he addressed a major American issue.

Don't whine about free air time, I'd be more than happy to have the media cover an important, historic speech by Clinton on gender, as if she were the second coming of Susan B. Anthony.


by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:12:43 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

So do you suggest we use the Wright issue against all the Clinton supporters who go to his church and do not disown him when they are up for reelection?


by Pravin on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:20:58 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

I think Wright is not a real issue, in the sense that "real" means "substantive."  If the media took half their Wright coverage and covered the Iraq War, it would be double their normal Iraq reporting.


by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:23:39 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

"""Shiela Jackson Lee"""

Im not gonna vote for her either

"""Rev. Marcia Dyson"""

Im not gonna vote for her either

"""Rev. Dr. Michael Dyson"""

Im not gonna vote for him either

"""Barak Obama"""

Im not gonna vote for him either.

Let's just go ahead and say that ANYONE who sees Wright as some kind of great man of God isn't getting my vote.

There.  Satisfied?


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:55:07 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

I am not the one whining Iceberg.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:27:07 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

Then stop complaining about free air time.


by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:34:26 AM EST
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Iceberg? (none / 0)

As in icebergslim, a DKos commenter?  Not me


by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:48:50 PM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)


 I support HRC, but I think it is sad that Wright considers himself as a spokesman for all the AA churches. It`s just not true.
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:27:01 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

of course it is not true.  Most black people would not go to that church IMO.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:28:07 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

And you are an expert in this field.


by Why Not on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:38:25 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

I am, and she's right.


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by switching sides on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:55:40 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)

Really, I'd like to see what makes you so very qualified.


by Why Not on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:58:22 AM EST
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Re: why did the media air Obama's race speech (none / 0)


 How do you think this will play in NC?
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:40:11 AM EST
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Oh give me a break (2.00 / 6)

If you follow politics anywhere as closely as I think you do from your knowledge of this issue, then the answer should be pretty obvious: the media will focus almost exclusively on whatever the hot topic of the day is. Rev. Wright goes on a self-proclaimed  self-aggrandizement tour. You think the media's NOT going to eat this up?

And spare me the old line that the media's trying to sabotage Obama's chances, and the Clinton and McCain camp using race to win.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:41:18 AM EST

Re: Oh give me a break (none / 0)

The iraq war and cheney was a hot topic for  a while. They never went into this much detail.


by Pravin on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:21:31 AM EST
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Re: Oh give me a break (none / 0)

Are you kidding? The Iraq War has been covered non-stop for the last five years. And what else could you possibly want to know about Cheney that you don't? I'm sick of looking at him, much less hearing about him.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:23:32 AM EST
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Re: Oh give me a break (none / 0)

If they went after Cheney's energy committee buddies with the same vigor, that would be a start. So far, Cheney has been stalling. You mean to tell me the media doesnt have the resources to go after them?


by Pravin on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:46:49 PM EST
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Re: Oh give me a break (none / 0)

Legally, no, they don't have those resources to go after Cheney. And Cheney's energy committee meetings are not the hot topic of the day, and I don't think they really ever were.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:44:58 PM EST
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Re: Media Sabotaging Obama's Chances by Airing Rev (2.00 / 5)

"Let's be really clear, the only Ones who have made Race an Issue in this campaign are the Clintons and the Republican-controlled media -- from the start, Barack Obama has tried to transcend Race, but they will not let him, as it would be to their disadvantage."

WRONG

Michelle Obama in Nov: "Black America needs to wake up to the fact that they have a Black man running for President".

JJjr: "Her tears were not for Katrina victims".

Bill Clinton: "Obama's stance on the Iraq war is a fairytale".

OBAMA and his campaign have injected race every step of the way.

Wright is a blatent racist.

No one cares about Hillary's surrogates or Obama's surrogates who attend Wright's church or not.

This is about OBAMA and HIS intentions and HIS beliefs and HIS support of his racist pastor. He may say that "Wright doesn't speak for me", but he has not disowned him, until he does that - this issue will not go away.

I predict that by June - Hillary will be our nominee.


by nikkid on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:41:50 AM EST

What does "Disown" mean to you? (2.00 / 1)

Seriously.  He said that he disagreed with things that Wright has said and that Wright doesn't speak for him.  What else do you want Obama to say?  Do you seriously think that anger at the government and a few conspiracy theories are getting into "reject and denounce" territory?

Wright is not a blatant racist.  I've never heard him say a single thing that was racist.  He's plenty mad at the government, which has historically been controlled by rich white people, but he doesn't hold that against the average white person.

Like the "bitter" controversy, like Wright was when he first came out, like Rezko, like every single little piddling thing that's come up on Obama (and all of it amounts to nothing major against him, mind you), this is just the establishment and the Clintons grasping at a few last straws before Obama becomes the nominee.

The Republicans aren't even trying to hide that they're pro-Clinton anymore, and neither is Clinton even trying to pretend that she's not colluding... like this "gas tax holiday" which will be disasterous for the already dangerously-deteriorated infrastructure.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:30:14 AM EST
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Re: What does "Disown" mean to you? (none / 0)

lol


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by switching sides on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:57:02 AM EST
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Re: What does "Disown" mean to you? (none / 0)

I want Obama (who is a potential nominee not Ms. Lee) to come out and tell us when he first heard of Rev. Wright's bizarre assertions and if he ever confronted him on them. That's what I'd like to see happen and Obama may be forced to do just that.


by handsomegent on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:16:20 PM EST
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We seem to have an answer already. (none / 0)

Obama didn't hear most of the remarks until they were YouTube's Greatest Hits.

By then Wright had already retired.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:26:22 PM EST
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Heh (2.00 / 1)

"OBAMA and his campaign have injected race every step of the way.  Wright is a blatent racist."

Good thing Wright isn't running for public office or working for the Obama campaign in any capacity.

Seriously, the hilarious inability of some to see the actual racism behind the Wright obsession is bizarro.


by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:57:25 AM EST
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Obama did this to himself (2.00 / 1)

Remember all that bitching and moaning and fretting he did a couple of years ago about how Democrats must demonstrate their faith and use it like Republicans do? Well, here you go. This is what happens when Democrats use Republican tactics. This topic is worthy because Barack Obama said it was. Maybe after this he'll learn that he doesn't know what's best for the party, and maybe all that accumulated knowledge handed down from before his intro onto the national stage is actually valuable in some way.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:42:51 AM EST

Huh? (none / 0)

How is Obama playing the religion card here?  His former pastor is creating controversy; that would've happened had Obama said (quite reasonably) that Democrats need to take religion back from the Republicans or not.

To imagine that Wright wouldn't be used against him regardless is silly.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:32:00 AM EST
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Re: Media Sabotaging Obama's Chances (2.00 / 2)

This seems to be like complaining it rains sometimes. It's a fact of life. What's causing all the excitement is they seem to be dumping on Obama for a change. Get used to it. If he's the nominee it will be never ending.  


by ottovbvs on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:42:53 AM EST

Blocked AIR Time Usually Reserved for Presidents! (none / 0)

An informed public has power!


by bacalove on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:16:49 AM EST
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Re: Media Sabotaging Obama's Chances (2.00 / 5)

If Rev. Wright wants to torpedo the Obama campaign by refusing to keep his big mouth shut, then the media is under no obligation to ignore him.  The MSM can no more control Wright than Obama can.


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:52:34 AM EST

Presidents Usually Get Blocked Air Time (2.00 / 2)

Blocked air time, on all three cable news stations, are usually given to Presidents not retired Preachers.  For them to do so, signals that they are trying to torpedo Obama.  They did not have to air his Entire speech when they only give blips to the Candidates.  


by bacalove on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:01:51 AM EST
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Re: Presidents Usually Get Blocked Air Time (none / 0)

They blocked the time out to cover it, because it was the news of the day, and there was a strong probability that he would or could say something to be inflammatory or controversial.

HE(Wright) knew that...and yet chose to either ignore that fact and let the pieces fall where they may, or inspite of that fact chose to make comments that could be taken controversially.

Obama has two options...he can do nothing (as he is now) or step in and say, look I used to follow the man, but now more clearly than ever understand what people found offensive in those comments and completely and wholly disassociate myself from his past comments and from the man in general.

Now, if he choses that; this is what will happen:
-- The controversy/issue will continue to swirl and take away from his message and continue to erode confidence in his electibility.

OR

-- Completely alienate a large chunk of his grass roots support and AA base creating a back-lash and undermining his candidacy thus damaging his case to the SD's and his electibility in Nov.

One way or another, he needs to make a choice and make it quick.  BEFORE Jeremiah really sticks his foot in his mouth.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:15:19 AM EST
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Re: Presidents Usually Get Blocked Air Time (2.00 / 1)

I am not an Obama supporter, but I look at this whole thing and think "What a God awful mess."  Poor Sen. Obama is trapped in a no-win situation here, as you described.  So much for an honest dialogue about race relations in America.  We are clearly not ready to have it yet...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:19:59 AM EST
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If only... (2.00 / 1)

If Wright had done the interview and given the speeches but not started answering questions willy-nilly, then I think it would've been a great contribution to the race debate in this country.

It's just that he did start answering questions, and let the entire circus in.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:34:51 AM EST
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Blocked Air Time (none / 0)

OMG, Blocked Air Time!!!  Blocked Air Time!!!

It's a conspiracy!

Cheney ordered 911!!!

White boys created the AIDS!!!!

Chimpie McHalliburton is in skull and bones and drank the blood of children!!!!


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:59:17 AM EST
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Re: I guess Barack has made a decision.... (none / 0)

Well.

I guess we know now, what decision he's made.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 8/04/29/obama-says-hes-outraged-with-pas tors-comments/

In his harshest criticism yet of his former minister, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama said he was "outraged" by Wright's comments at the National Press Club Monday, and "saddened by the spectacle."


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:44:57 PM EST
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Re: Presidents Usually Get Blocked Air Time (none / 0)

First of all MSNBC DID NOT block out air time to cover the Wright speech on Sunday. CNN had the most coverage and Fox then chimed in in the middle of it.


by handsomegent on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:23:55 PM EST
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sign of impending obama collapse (2.00 / 1)

first the seeking of scapegoats, parties to blame for the mess created by none other than obama and his preacher.

sort of sad to see the fairytale come to an end.


by blackflag on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:56:45 AM EST

Andrew Sullivan (2.00 / 1)

...is an idiot and he has not helped BO one bit.

Here's what he said in a Salon article on "What Obama should do about Wright".

"But Wright was clearly in his speech Monday advocating racial conflict and division. He is also clearly obsessed with the politics
of the boomer era, its racial and cultural divides, and seeks to increase those divides, not overcome them."

I am a "boomer" and am PROUD of the things I did in my life to overcome racial and cultural divides.

Now, not only am I a woman but a boomer woman who did NOTHING to improve the world.

Andrew Sullivan and Barack Obama can go to hell.

And remember how many of us "boomers" there are out there!!!


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:59:24 AM EST

Whoa, hold on. (2.00 / 1)

Andrew Sullivan and Barack Obama can go to hell.

I get the Andrew Sullivan bit in the context of your post, but what did Obama do against Boomers?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:36:37 AM EST
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Andy is a BO surrogate for the MSM. (2.00 / 2)

There has been a undercurrent of hate directed toward "old" people...now BO and Friends have defined it - it's boomers.

You know, the ones who never did anything to heal racial and cultural divides?  We are NOT the ones BO and Company have been waiting for.

With that attitude...you lose!


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:00:43 PM EST
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??? Silly season? (none / 0)

Some guy unrelated to the Obama campaign says something you don't like about baby boomers and now that means Obama hates an entire generation (that he, technically, is part of)?

Considering that boomers control the mainstream media in large part, I find this difficult to swallow, even if you had a point.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:14:35 PM EST
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Hillary backer organized Wright's Press Club Event (1.66 / 3)

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/colu mnists/louis/index.html

Gee all the concerned folks here worried that the Republicans are going to make Wright an issue seem to be making it a self fulfilling prophecy.

It's Hillary and camp using the Republican play book. Tell me again how Hillary is good for this country when she can't win an election on her strengths but by trying to tear down her opponent.

Still my guess is its too late. Just like the Republicans these sleazy tactics leave behind alot of enemies and bitterness. Hillary is just out for Hillary and her supporters are who engage in these tactics are just enablers


by KosTexasliberal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:00:01 AM EST

Why was this troll rated? It's the truth. (2.00 / 1)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 408/Clinton_supporter_invited_Wright.htm l

A Hillary supporter invited Rev. Wright to the event.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:32:26 AM EST
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it was a hillary supporter!!!! (none / 0)

oH NOOOO, Mr Biiiilllllll!!!!!!!


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:02:07 PM EST
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did she have her hand up his butt too? (none / 0)

this is such nonsense.  Hillary is not responsible for Obama's failure to address his Pastor problem.  He chose to go to that church and HE started his campaign selling himself as the only democrat who could authentically address democrats "problem with the faith community".


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:36:21 AM EST
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Yes, let's be REALLY CLEAR and truthful... (2.00 / 2)

about who has made race relations an issue:

Paul Lukasiak (NOT a member of any lunatic fringe group) reported in Firedoglake about 2 weeks ago (please note the next to last paragraph):

"Is it a timing thing? Because all the Democrats, including Obama, did whatever they could to "scorch earth" Hillary's chances starting in September. I don't know if people just forget about it, or don't think it matters, but Hillary Clinton was running a relentlessly positive, issue oriented campaign through last September -- in fact all the candidates were up until that point. But no one was getting any real traction -- Hillary's numbers went up all summer, and Obama's went down, Edwards couldn't get media and languished in third place, and there were another half -dozen "WHO?" candidates.

Running positive against Clinton wasn't working, so everyone, including Obama (except for Richardson) went negative on her -- attacking her relentlessly to drive up her negatives so they would have a shot.

So is it just the timing? Or have people forgotten about that.

And, when it comes to "scorched earth" campaign tactics, nothing beats the "swift-boating" of the Clinton on the race issue in South Carolina by the Obama campaign and its supporters. And it was "swift-boating", it was a big fat lie that Clinton was running a racist campaign, and the accusation made no sense; given the demographics of South Carolina, why would Clinton choose to start running racist then?

So again, I ask, have people just forgotten how we got where we are, or is it a question of timing? Is it okay to pull sh*t early in a primary season, but not later because of the potential impact it will have on the general election?"


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:01:00 AM EST

Re: Yes, let's be REALLY CLEAR and truthful... (2.00 / 1)

Yeah Obama started gaining traction and Bill Clinton brings up Jesse Jackson and than complains its the blacks that are responsible for Baracks victories ignoring his victories in white majority states. Whoops this backfires on Clinton because he offends some Black folks.  Yes I see how this is Obama's fault.


by KosTexasliberal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:13:49 AM EST
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Let's see..if I mention Obama's name... (2.00 / 1)

then I'm a racist...by your logic.

And if you mention Clinton's name, you're a sexist.

I.  Don't.  Think.  So.

Obama and friends swiftboated _ e.g., lied about something fundamental to WJC's comment - and yet he's a racist.

Please.


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:18:17 AM EST
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Re: Let's see..if I mention Obama's name... (2.00 / 1)

Bit hyperbolic on the rhetoric. What I pointed out was that Bill Clinton made the remarks. He brought the race issue into the discussion then complained when it burned him. It really was not necessary Bill has shown contempt and anger at Obama. So was injecting race into it a good idea. Personally I don't think Bill is a racist. I think he knows how effective negative campaigning is and used the race issue to plant doubt about Obama.

Black leaders did not expect it from him and reacted quite vocally. Its past time folks stop rationalizing politicians bad behavior. I think Obama should have not appeared on the Fox news network. I am not going to excuse his enabling of the vast right wing noise machine just because it benefits him. Hillary was worse with Mellon Scaife. Are you ready to justify that too?


by KosTexasliberal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:34:54 AM EST
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Clinton's remark was NOT racist... (none / 0)

...but Obama et al said it was and then pushed that lie over and over and over until it caught on with the MSM and Kool-Aid crowd.

I guess I know to which group you belong.

Hey, Kool-Aid rots your teeth.


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:37:08 AM EST
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Not racist, "dismissive." (none / 0)

Obama said that the South Carolina comment was "dismissive."

Even if you take race out of the equation, comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson on a pure presidential candiate level is a pretty cruddy thing to say, especially when he's forged a much stronger coalition than Jackson.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:43:55 AM EST
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Well then how did "dismissive" (none / 0)

become the racist cry of the Obama crowd?  If your candidate didn't call it racist...then why did all of you?

At the time of the SC primary, BO had not forged a stronger coalition than Jackson.  Jackson had actually DONE things in his past so he had the support of the AA and working class whites when he started his run.

And by the way, the "coalition" that Bo has supposedly forged is more of a donut hole of the Democratic Party - and that's NOT a strong position to be in.


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:50:27 AM EST
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I'm not sure what you mean. (none / 0)

Some Obama supporters say that Bill Clinton is racist, I'm sure.  Mostly I just see Hillary Clinton supporters here saying that's what Obama supporters say.

I don't think the Clintons are racists, but I do think that they know how race is percieved in this country, and use it to their advantage, as many politicians (mainly Republicans, who took Strom Thurmond and the racist Dixiecrats into their coalition decades ago) have done in the past.

It's no accident that most of Clinton's wins are in states where there is a large enough black vote to ensure racial tensions are on people's minds, but not large enough to overwhelm the racist vote.  In states with very small black populations or very large black populations, Obama typically wins.

Bill Clinton is a famous word parser.  He knew what he was saying when he brought up Jackson.  To think otherwise is to denegrate the man's phoenominal rhetorical talent.

As for Obama's coalition being a "donut hole," it's baffling how you can suggest that his coalition is so weak when he's beating Clinton.  If Obama is weak, then Clinton is doubly weak.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:58:24 AM EST
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Re: Clinton's remark was NOT racist... (none / 0)

You might want to check your facts Obama EXPLICITLY said the remarks were NOT racist. Being a supporter does of Hillary does not give you an exclusive channel to the TRUTH. So get off your pedestal Obama supporters are not a cult. Your candidate is well known, long record of making bad choices and thats why a majority of Democrats voted for the other guy.  Her recent campaign tactics have solidified the anti-Hillary block in the party.

So I don't need any friggin kool-aid to support Obama. But I would need something a hell of a lot stronger to support Hillary. Trust me your comments help Obama more than help Hillary


by KosTexasliberal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:51:27 AM EST
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My comments only hurt when they fall on (none / 0)

the ears of people wearing Kool-Aid ear plugs.

You hate the Clintons.  That's what has driven everything you have done this primary season.

And your hate will consume you.  
 


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:58:38 AM EST
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Re: My comments only hurt when they fall on (none / 0)

Wow you are arrogant. Based on the premise that since I don't think of the REMAINING two candidates Hillary is the best choice that I am a Clinton hater.  You love the KOOLAID term its kind of ironic since your demonstrated comments make your ludicrous comments evident that you won't tolerate a different view. Hopefully  you will be more rational when the GE rolls around. I doubt it, you seem way to invested in a candidate that has thrown the party and her past supporters under the bus a number of times.


by KosTexasliberal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:10:52 PM EST
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LOL (none / 0)

To everything you just wrote.

Too funny for words!


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:20:12 PM EST
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Re: LOL (none / 0)

Laughing all the way to Obama's nomination.

Obama gained 3 supers to 1 for Hillary ...drip drip...

see other people can be jerks too


by KosTexasliberal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:35:10 PM EST
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nonsense (2.00 / 2)

everyone was talking about Obama most likely winning in SC because of the African American vote, including Obama's campaign and the media.
Being compared to Jesse Jackson is not an insult buy the way.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:40:05 AM EST
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Oh no (none / 0)

Jesse Jackson who went on to fail miserably in presidential politics.  That wasn't an insult at all.

Why didn't he compare Obama to Al Gore in 1988 instead?  He lost, too...


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:45:22 AM EST
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Jackson had a history of good deeds... (2.00 / 1)

behind him when he started his run.  WJC and HRC had worked with him and they were friends.  Why would you take a reference to the ultimate end of Jackson's campaign (a process statement) and turn it into a hate-filled racist remark?

Obama, his supporters and the MSM trashed both Clintons who have a lifetime of public service - including to the AA community.  

Obama's "service to the AA" community is/was practically non-existent.  But it didn't matter.

Hate for the Clintons was all that mattered.


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:54:38 AM EST
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You're not listening. (none / 0)

I didn't say that it was a "hate filled racist remark."

I said that it was "dismissive."

The reporter asked about Obama's victory in South Carolina.  Bill Clinton brought up Jackson out of nowhere, as far as I can tell.

What's similar between Obama and Jackson?  You already said that Jackson had a longer list of achievements, so that can't be it.  Hmm... oh yeah, they're both black presidential candidates who won in a largely black state.

So Bill is cool with Obama winning in SC and is certain that it would be an excellent process statement that a black person got that far (again) when his wife takes office?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:04:51 PM EST
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No More "Sniper Fire" Moments, Please! (none / 0)

The thinking, seeing people all know which candidate has fueled a racial and gender division to further her own ends, even if it throws the Country back 50 years!


by bacalove on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:19:02 AM EST
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Well, your statement is what will cost (none / 0)

BO the nomination and/or GE.

You simply have lost track of all of your reasoning powers.

I feel badly for you.


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:24:30 AM EST
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Re: Well, your statement is what will cost (none / 0)

I don't.


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:04:35 PM EST
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Jaysus... (2.00 / 3)

I can't believe all the talk about Hillary being responsible for Rev. Wright.  Obama joined his church.  Hillary didn't orchestrate that.  Obama chose to have him as a "spiritual advisor"  Again, Hillary had nothing to do with that.  Even Obama admits that Rev. Wright is a legitimate campaign issue.  How sad and pathetic that people are now trying to blame Hillary for their candidate's choices 20 years ago and the actions of a media whore like Rev. Wright.  Gimme a break.


by JustJennifer on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:04:51 AM EST

Blocked AIR Time Usually Reserved for Presidents! (2.00 / 1)

No one is blaming Hillary for Rev. Wright, though she does have surrogates who have been Pastored by Rev. Wright and when she was facing impeachment, they invited Rev. Wright to the White House for prayer and support.  The point is about the Media and thier attempt to sabotage Barack by airing Entire speech when the candidates only get Blips of Air Time on these so-called news shows!  


by bacalove on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:21:49 AM EST
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lol (none / 0)

yes he was one of hundreds of Pastors invited the White House.  He didn't marry them, baptize the kids, inspire a book or get claimed as bill's closest spiritual advisor.  

And PS, Bill is not the candidate.  


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:43:44 AM EST
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Surrogates (none / 0)

Yup, and I'm not voting for them, either.

Let's just say that anyone who thinks Wright is some kind of religious wunderkind won't be getting my vote, including Hillary surrogates.


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:05:45 PM EST
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Re: Blocked AIR Time Usually Reserved for Presiden (none / 0)

Yup, and I'm not voting for those surrogates, either.

Let's just say that anyone who thinks Wright is God's mouthpiece ain't getting my vote.

So now, can you stop spamming that idiotic point over and over again?


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:08:57 PM EST
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So you don't like (2.00 / 2)

being on the raw end of the media's attacks, huh?  


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:13:55 AM EST

Re: Wow, This is Serious. (none / 0)

You are becoming paranoid and delusional. Go quickly to your phone book and look up a local psychologist, schedule an appointment and please have someone drive you there.

The media is about ratings. They'll run controversy and drama because it sells. If it bleeds, it leads, as they say.

Get a grip. This is the VETTING process in all its glory. Clinton's been through it for 15 years. She's been going through it again for the past 15 months during the primary season. Obama hasn't been through it YET.

Now: It's Obama's turn to be vetted. And, you get to watch. Fun, fun, fun.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:24:22 AM EST

Re: Wow, This is Serious. (none / 0)

If Clinton pulls this off, overturns the will of the pledged delegates and all that Jazz, what makes you think she won't face a new barrage of negative "Vetting" that you are so fond of when it destroys the democratic frontrunner.

I find your glee in the destruction of a democrat's career over howash frankly distrubing.

I will not be gleeful when Clinton get the "Vetting" you describe above.  She has many many skeletons in her closet yet to come out.  So go ahead and be gleeful since this is what is getting McCain elected, and will end Hillary Clinton's career as well.  Not to mention a complete betrayal of all the causes that democrats care about.

The day the democratic on democratic assault of this nature works will be a sad sad day for the democratic party. Mark my words, this will be the demise of the party, so go ahead and push the envelope with your silly gotcha games.  Play this game long enough and it will be a republicn nation for as long as the eye can see.


by Why Not on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:52:39 AM EST
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No surprise (none / 0)

It is to be expected and expect it to continue until November. Of course that straight shooter 'maverick' McCain will continue to get a pass. If you want to be President you deal with it. Don't expect the corporate media to roll out the red carpet for any Democrat.

If by some miracle Hillary were to win the nomination overnight we would go from 24/7 Wright to a 24/7 media manufactured nightmarish Clinton soap opera. And all those right wing creeps like Kristol, Scaife, Hannity, et al who are leeping to poor Hillary's defense? They would be unloading a non stop stream of invective, misinformation and slime against Hillary the second Obama was out of the picture. Obama is the assumed nominee right now so he's getting incoming from the media, McCain and Clinton. That's the price of admission to the oval office. He'll deal with it. After all he himself said it would not be easy.


by hankg on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:27:42 AM EST

Never Happened Before, Reserved for Presidents! (none / 0)

Entire air time reserved for Presidents, so for them to extend this to a "retired" Rev. Wright and coordinate it on all three channels is significant.  


by bacalove on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:39:33 AM EST
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Re: Never Happened Before, Reserved for Presidents (none / 0)

The HUMANITY!!!!!


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:07:47 PM EST
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Re: Never Happened Before, Reserved for Presidents (none / 0)

We had Osama bin Laden, the economy, and the nation's business put on hold and spent what probably was billions when you factor the lost opportunity of having the US legislature diverted while the Republicans attempted a coup via impeachment over not political crimes but the Presidents personal sex life. So nothing should surprise you.

I would caution against any gloating on the part of Clinton supporters. Obama thus far is holding up well, Hillary's negatives are still far above his. Hillary did not get a 20% + blow out in PA a state tailor made for her. He has so far weathered every crisis real or manufactured.

If she were perceived as the front runner what Obama is facing will look like child's play compared to what Hillary would face. The Clintons are for the press and the Republicans what the military refers to as a target rich environment. Hillary is by no means vetted, neither has she at any time in the last 8 years or as an actual candidate herself had to face the full wall of slime she would face if she was in Obama's position. She had been whining about how unfair the press was and how she was being bullied. That was nothing. Hillary would be the cable networks and swiftboaters dream come true. Because it is assumed Obama is the candidate she is getting a pass and the aid of the Republican noise machine.


by hankg on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:29:58 PM EST
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Re: Media Sabotaging Obama's Chances (none / 0)

> Are Repbublicans trying to help Hillary win the Democratic nomination?

Well, I am not a mind reader, but my guess is they are pretty sure Sen. Clinton will not get the nomination. They and their media lackeys worked pretty hard to make sure Sen. Obama had the nomination well in hand before allowing the Wright videos to surface. Getting Clinton was job one. Now they are on to job two, getting whoever is opposing McCain. At the moment, it appears that Obama is still favored to be the recipient of job two, so they are all too happy to give a microphone to Rev. Wright.

On a side note, this is the third or fourth time I have seen your questions that must be asked of Clinton, almost verbatim? Did you cut and paste those from somewhere? If so, you should provide attribution, and probably put it inside blockquote /blockquote html tags.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:54:20 AM EST

Once again.. (none / 0)

I'm not going to read yet another conspiracy theory diary about this.  But I will remind everyone of this:

Rev. Wright made a choice.  He made a choice to appear before THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB, and, very calmly, very deliberately, said exactly what he wanted to say.  He wanted this publicity.  His choice.

Those of you who claimed we were "parsing his words" or being misguided by "soundbites" that were "out of context" - I have one thing to tell you: your foot is in your mouth.


by bobbank on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:06:10 PM EST

Re: Media Sabotaging Obama's Chances? (none / 0)

oh wow, it's Hillary's fault Obama made gross mistakes? Did she hook him up with Rezko as well?

I smell desperation... wonder where is it coming from.


by soopermouse on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:13:29 PM EST

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The media is a problem and has been a problem for quite a while. It seemed all was well with the media in Obamaland as long as they were going after Hillary. Now they are going after Obama, the drama! the gnashing of teeth! the hand wringing! Don't blame Hillary for an environment you and other Obama supporters helped create. Trying to blame Hillary for Obama's bad judgement just reeks of desperation.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:20:12 PM EST


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