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Is there a Zogby-Obama connection?

by kingsbridge77, Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:36:06 PM EST

I wouldn't be so shocked about the newly released Zogby poll finding Hillary Clinton behind John McCain by 10 points, if James Zogby (brother of Zogby's CEO John Zogby, and senior analyst of said company) had not become a pro-Obama op-ed columnist for a day in the pro-Obama Huffington Post, and called for Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race.

Do you see a connection here?

Similarly weird is the fact that an AP-Ipsos had been dominating the headlines today with poll with a totally opposite outcome: Hillary up by 9%.

Am I the only one who thinks the timing of this poll is very strange, as if it had come as a damage-control response to the AP poll, carrying the message, "not so fast, Clinton is not the most electable candidate after all!

How ethical is it for a senior analyst in a poll to ask for a race to be over?

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Re: Is there Zogby-Obama connection? (2.00 / 2)

It's been there for a while, starting with "OBAMA WINS CALIFORNIA". Zogby's brother is also a declared superdelegate for Barack, so I don't take their polls for worth much of anything. (well, we shouldn't have after 2004 anyway, but still)

Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008

by zcflint05 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:38:23 PM EST

Re: Is there Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

you mean John "I'll go on 'The Daily Show' a few days before the election and say John Kerry is going to win because I am so sure of it" Zogby?

by BlueDoggyDogg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:51:49 PM EST
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Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (2.00 / 2)

Zogby Poll for California on Feb 3-4

Democrats 2/3-4

Obama Clinton
49% 36%

Do ya think?

by orionwest on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:40:21 PM EST

Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (2.00 / 1)

the pinnacle of accuracy!

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:43:20 PM EST
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Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

They Clinton winning PA by 10%....

Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.

by hootie4170 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:47:24 PM EST

Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

Unfortunately, PA is not enough evidence to say Zogby has been accurate or unbiased. Looks like Zogby mostly gets it wrong against her.

by kingsbridge77 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:48:37 PM EST
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Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

Zogby's interactive polls have been all over the place. His PA polls were phone polls.

The most worrisome aspect of this poll is that 48% think McCain shares "your values."

by mikelow1885 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:38:07 PM EST
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Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

They HAD Clinton winning PA by 10%, final poll.......

Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.

by hootie4170 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:47:54 PM EST

Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

it's an online survey, it ain't worth nothing!

by BlueDoggyDogg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:48:42 PM EST

How ethical was it (2.00 / 1)

for ABC to have President Clinton's former communication's director be a moderator in a debate featuring the former President's wife?

by southernman on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:58:04 PM EST

"former" is the keyword (2.00 / 2)

Dick Morris is a former advisor to the Clintons. Do you know anyone who hates her more?

by kingsbridge77 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:59:12 PM EST

Eileen McCaan? (none / 0)

Here's a really funny thing I discovered on Dick Morris' site vote.com

Go to vote.com
Right below the search box on the right (by the top), you see a small photo of him... right click on it, and look at the properties... it's named "small_dick.gif"

hehehe

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by lizardbox on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:33:02 PM EST
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Yes it's all a plot. (2.00 / 1)

Including Obama. He ran to take away the black vote from Hillary.

overthrow the government~participate

by missliberties on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:10:40 PM EST

Re: Yes it's all a plot. (none / 0)

You're becoming one of my favorites.

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by lizardbox on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:33:33 PM EST
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its an (none / 0)

Interactive survey

therefore

it is not scientific.

But the fact that they trump these polls is a different story

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:11:45 PM EST

Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

Zogby is an Obama supporter. Rasmussen is a right wing supporter. Its not unheard of.

Zogby's polling errors do not result directly from his support of Obama. He isn't making the data up. His problem is that his polling methods tend to oversample progressive/liberal support for candidates across the board.

Take his polls with a grain of salt, and take off the tin foil hat ;)

John McCain wants to make abortion illegal

by Lost Thought on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:22:27 PM EST

Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

Once again.. James Zogby is an Obama supporter, not John Zogby.

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by lizardbox on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:30:18 PM EST
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Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

Fair enough. But my comments on the Zogby polling errors still stand.

John McCain wants to make abortion illegal

by Lost Thought on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:35:06 PM EST
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Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (2.00 / 1)

No doubt. I won't dispute it. They changed their polling method at some point and have sucked since. My point remains though that I don't think they're producing false numbers to push a candidate over another.

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by lizardbox on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:42:46 PM EST
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Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

It is ridiculous to accuse Zogby of bias! A company like Zogby lives and dies by the accuracy of their polls. Less accurate polls equal less subscriptions thus less revenue.

Let's also remember, there's a James Zogby, a super delegate supporting Obama, and there's John Zogby, the pollster, who I don't think has a dog in the fight.

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by lizardbox on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:29:37 PM EST

Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

But there's no way to verify the accuracy of a GE poll until November. This way, Zogby can get away with lying without really being "wrong" about the outcome, yet. The goal would be to convince superdelegates that Obama is more electable than Hillary.

by kingsbridge77 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:43:20 PM EST
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Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

If you an I can figure out that Zogby sucks it, so will these super delegates

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by lizardbox on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:05:12 AM EST
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Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (1.33 / 3)

James Zogby, the Obama SD, is a "Senior Analyst" with Zogby.

And if Zogby "lived and died" with accuracy, they would have been dead 4 years ago.

Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008

by zcflint05 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:16:45 AM EST
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Re: Zogby? (none / 0)

You gotta be kiddin' me.
Nobody takes Zogby seriously.

by johnnygunn on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:36:41 PM EST

Zogby is an equal-opportunity crap pusher. (none / 0)

If he gets one right, it's completely accidental.

by Bob Johnson on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:51:40 PM EST

Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

zogby hates clinton !

zogby when he is neutral is a very good pollster but sometimes because of his hate gives numbers he would like to be true his numbers on clinton mean nothing

by awayer on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:15:45 AM EST

Re: Is there a Zogby-Obama connection? (none / 0)

Zogby's regular telephone polls, with maybe one exception, have been less than wonderful, but his interactive polls are pure garbage; not worth the cyberspace they are projected on.

The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -- David Friedman

by pollbuster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:27:32 AM EST

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