Brazile for Hillary?

Senator Hillary Clinton had a point when she declared that the "tide is turning" after her impressive victory in Pennsylvania last week.

Since then, senior Party leaders have been speaking up, and changing their tune.  

Not too long ago, Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean was urging unpledged "super delegates" to decide "now!" and warning them not to overturn the "will of the people." But in the past week Dean's message has changed significantly.  A few  days ago he told the Financial Times that "The Democratic party's "superdelegates" have every right to...choose the candidate they believe would be best equipped to defeat John McCain in a general election."  And today ABC News reported that Dean wants the super delegates to make a decision by the end of June, after all the voters have "had their say."

Donna Brazile, a super delegate who has previously expressed a preference for Obama may be having second thoughts. Yesterday on ABC's This Week Roundtable Brazille said:

I talked to the same super delegates you talked to...They want to win.  They want a candidate who can beat John McCain.  At the end of the day they're going to look at the (electoral college) math...and say.."okay, who is the best candidate to take on John McCain?"  They'll look at the weaknesses of both candidates and... we will determine who will be the best President. (emphasis added)

Ms. Brazile's remarks are timely.   Perhaps she received a heads-up about the new AP General Election poll released today:

Clinton 50:  McCain 41
Obama 46:  McCain 44

Of special note to super delegates is the AP's accompanying analysis explaining the upward trends for Clinton:

Helped by independents, young people and seniors, Clinton gained ground.

"I don't think there's any question that over the last three weeks her stature has improved," said Harrison Hickman, a Democratic pollster unaligned in the primary. He attributed Clinton's gains to people moving from the "infatuation stage" of choosing the candidate they like the most to a "decision-making stage" where they determine who would make the best president.

Added Steve Lombardo, a GOP pollster: "This just reinforces the sentiment that a lot of Republican strategists are having right now -- that Clinton might actually be the more formidable fall candidate for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that Obama can't seem to get his footing back." (emphasis added)

Is Donna Brazile acknowledging that Clinton is the more formidable candidate against John McCain?

Other polls demonstrate similar strength for Clinton.  According to Real Clear Politics averages, for example: Clinton and McCain are tied in Florida, while Obama trails McCain by 12 points; Clinton leads McCain in Pennsylvania and Ohio by more than 5 points, while Obama trails McCain in both states.

At this moment, the MyDD 2008 Poll Watcher at the top corners of your screen also predicts an electoral victory for Clinton but a loss for Obama:  Clinton 286 to McCain 252 and McCain 278 to Obama 243.

Clinton's wins in California, Pennsylvania, Texas, Ohio, New Jersey, Florida, and New York, despite Obama's historic advertising expenditures, reinforce her campaign's claim to a winning coalition of core Democrats.  I have previously written about that here and here.

As the AP noted in its analysis, Clinton has even gained strength among young people.

And Politico commented yesterday:

Barack Obama's difficulty attracting older voters now far exceeds Hillary Rodham Clinton's own weaknesses with youth.

Repeatedly during the tight race for the Democratic presidential nomination, Obama, who's been defined in part by his popularity among young voters, has seen that strength undercut by his failings with seniors.

In the Pennsylvania and Ohio primaries, Obama lost older whites by 30 percentage points, while Clinton split white voters under age 30 in both critical contests. Obama's senior problem is even greater among Hispanics. The Illinois senator lost older Latinos by 40 to 60 percentage points in Texas, New Mexico and California.

For all the excitement generated by Obama's campaign, and despite his laudable success in caucus states, Obama has failed to draw critical blocs of Democrats into his coalition, a problem which has been exacerbated by off-the-record remarks belittling small-town Americans and ongoing coverage of his fiery pastor.  These are not just "gaffes" that Sen. Obama can cleverly manage; rather they contribute to core perceptions.  It's not difficult to comprehend why 32% of Clinton supporters in Pennsylvania recently told a pollster that they would never vote for Barack Obama.

Donna Brazile and the other super delegates clearly are paying attention.

Cross posted at No Quarter and texasdarlin.wordpress.com



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Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 22)

The tide is indeed turning, as seen again today with the endorsement of NC Gov. Easley for Hillary Clinton!


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:33:30 PM EST

Thank god she stayed in this race (1.93 / 15)

Now she can take the nomination and save us from the GE slaughter that would have happened with Obama.  


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:45:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Senator Jeff Bingaman of New Mexicon endorses Obam (1.94 / 18)

http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/28/sen-b ingaman-to-endorse-obama/

What is it about that tide again?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:58:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Are you stalking me????? (2.00 / 1)

Ahh...just kidding.  We do seem to keep running into each other this evening.


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:16:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

its not a giant site (2.00 / 2)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:42:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Senator Jeff Bingaman of New Mexicon endorses (2.00 / 3)

Why was this TRd?


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:35:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

its campskunk (1.87 / 8)

TR everything in sight that does not help HRC


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:41:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm uprating for the sake of fairness (2.00 / 2)


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:52:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm uprating for the sake of fairness (2.00 / 1)

could be tr'd for wrong diary?  Don't you think it would be nice to put content where it belongs?  Like in a diary about his endorsements?  the guy has enough problems without his supporters acting like he needs them to spam diaries for him. Give the man a break he has a turncoat pastor, leave him out of Hillary diaries at least?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:03:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree with you in priciple (2.00 / 1)

but (and I generally don't like most all of what kindthoughts has to say) that s/he was merely making a counterpoint to the assertion that the tide is turing in HRC's favor (which I think it is BTW).  


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:13:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm uprating for the sake of fairness (none / 0)

The guy who keeps TR'ing these comments is neglecting his doody.


by doschi on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:14:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That is NOT true. (2.00 / 1)


by macmcd on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:51:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Can I get one, too, Campskunk? (none / 0)

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/tal k/2008/04/breaking-news-hillary-clinton. php

In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!

While Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, Al Gore, Ed Rendell, Barabara Streisand, Cher, Stan Lee, Brad Pitt, Mike Wallace, Larry King et al may be called to testify and be deposed starting in May, Hillary alone has been protected from explaining her role in her husband's fraud charges.


by bookish on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 07:28:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Can I get one, too, Campskunk? (none / 0)

Is this the case that was dropped against Hillary for lack of standing (meaning no evidence to back up the charges) by the judge in 2006?


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:20:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Well, except for (none / 0)

the $35,000 judgment against the Clinton campaign for underreporting associated costs.

My point is that this is exactly the sort of thing that she's going to be faced with in the GE, so don't think just because there's a repetition of the mantra "she's been vetted" that this shit is just magically going to disappear.


by bookish on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:45:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Jeff has been a well-known nit-wit (2.00 / 2)

for a very long time.


by macmcd on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:47:53 PM EST
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yeah, yeah (none / 0)

if they are not for HRC they are Judas.

We know. Move along now.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:48:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Senator Jeff Bingaman of New Mexicon endorses (none / 0)

Maybe he should have done it before the New Mexico primary.  

Just a thought.


by Montague on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:48:16 PM EST
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agreed. (2.00 / 1)

and a sigh of relief...let's just see where the chips fall...


by 4justice on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:23:03 AM EST
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Re: Thank god she stayed in this race (2.00 / 2)

It's also possible that Donna Brazile has a similar opinion of Mr. Super (http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/ mr-supers-take-on-where-undeclared.html)

He puts most congress people in the Pelosi club, which is in Obama's camp. Those SDs, when added to Obama add-ons (from states that Obama won) give Obama a virtually guaranteed victory.

So if Donna Brazile knows all this, as does Howard Dean, there is no reason to make any inflammatory statements about going against the will of the voters and ending this now.

What no one has noted is that since PA, Clinton has heavily toned down the kitchen sink strategy. And that was what the party elders were concerned with. So if there is no mud flying, then there is no reason to say that the contest is damaging the party.

What's best for Brazile and company is exactly what they are doing, being diplomatic and spouting platitudes about what's best for the party while letting this election run its course.

As we go through the next several states, we should see more supers deciding (Add-ons, and from upcoming contests) and the picture will get clearer.

Clinton has made her case that she is more electable. Yet as each week goes by, more supers  endorse Obama than Clinton. Her lead has slipped from 113 in December to 21 today (see demconwatch.)

If this continues over the 4 weeks, he will likely tie her in supers. That fact alone could be more persuasive to remaining supers than all the B.S. on the media about polls, electability, Rev. Wright and all the other nonsense the media spouts every day.


by PatrickBradish on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:28:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank god she stayed in this race (none / 0)

Nice analysis. We shall see.


by RickWn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:56:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Tides always return to where they start. (1.85 / 7)

She needs 69% of all remaining contests to win in the delegate count.  Can she do it?


by dystopianfuturetoday on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:17:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

April is the cruellest month... (2.00 / 2)

APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding     
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing     
Memory and desire, stirring     
Dull roots with spring rain..."

T.S. Eliot

I don't want to disappoint you guys but I think you're hanging on to HOPE.

Hope is a beautiful thing, but as the Polish say: "Hope is the mother of fools."

Fortunately there's a rider to that though:
"But a mother loves her children"


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:59:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I guess I hit a nerve. (none / 0)

Hilarious.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:42:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I guess I hit a nerve. (none / 0)

If it pleases you to think that, don't let me stop you.

But the nerves of the last few days have long gone. And Hope is in the air.

Have a great day


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:37:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, 69% is her favorite number. (2.00 / 1)

But even if she doesn't, it doesn't matter. You don't need to end up with the most pledged delegates to win, you just need the most delegates overall and it certainly looks like she'll get that.


by mmorang on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:06:15 PM EST
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Re: Yes, 69% is her favorite number. (none / 0)

Nobody wins unless they have 2024 delegates!  That's why this race is wide open at this point in time.  It's not just who has the most delegates.


by orionwest on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:21:21 PM EST
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Re: Yes, 69% is her favorite number. (2.00 / 2)

Yeah it is.  They're the ones that vote at the convention.

69% includes superdelegates.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:35:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes, 69% is her favorite number. (none / 0)

Well when is she going to start picking up more superdelegates than him? There hasn't been a single day in two months where she has picked up more supers than him. It's all well and good to fantasize that she can win without winning the approval of voters, but she realistically hasn't shown she can even do that. And remember, she has to get roughly 100 MORE supers than him among the remaining undecided because even the rosiest Clinton projections over the remaining contests don't have her netting more than a few dozen delegates.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:22:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And if that fails... The Supreme Court. (none / 0)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:41:00 AM EST
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Re: Certainly?! (none / 0)

Certainly?!  Really?  Dude, pass the dutchie on the lefthand side.


by deminva on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:40:00 AM EST
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Obama can't do it without the (2.00 / 2)

super delegates.  Since he can't win a single big state legitimately, super delegates know they cannot afford to go with him.  They don't want to lose in November.


by macmcd on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:49:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You keep telling yourself that. (none / 0)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:44:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

OT, nonresponsive, disruptive spam (2.00 / 1)


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:23:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Tell me what to think TerasaInPa (none / 0)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:44:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Bitter, nasty, unfounded accusation. (none / 0)

TexasD brought up the tide metaphor, as have several Clinton supporters in rec'd diaries.  So either the metaphor is wrong or Hillary isn't actually going anywhere.

Oh, and those GE polls only mean anything if the candidate wins the nomination.  Otherwise we might as well poll Gore vs. McCain.  As we all know, that's in the hands of the supers.  So how is it OT to point out the super threshold?

And as evidence by the response to your post, it's not nonresponsive.  0 for 4.


by corph on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:04:49 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 13)

I noted what she said yesterday as well as a similar comment from Howard Dean. The Superdelegates are beginning to watch this race very closely.


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by Pagan Power on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:39:30 PM EST

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 3)

But that doesn't mean that they will come to the same conclusion about electability as you will want.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:59:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 10)

I didn't suppose anything. My point is valid and it is true without supposition.


Visit Pagan Power You know you want to!
by Pagan Power on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:30:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 1)

I don't understand what you disagree with.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:47:56 PM EST
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Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 2)

it's the polls, she polls way high against McCain now, just when Donna says that. Seems like Obama can't count on his friends. Rats leaving a sinking ship are more loyal, look as his fathead pastor who wants to run in Barack's place. That guy eats envy for breakfast.  Only Tweetie is still firmly attached to Barack's leg. He was suggesting his problem has been fanned by Hillary, who is saying nothing and has said nothing. I guess just the fact of Hillary is enough for Tweetie to start whining and blaming?  So, Barack gets to keep Tweetie, but, he's not a super and the piece in the NYT magazine suggests he may be losing his day job, or getting a big decrease in the five mil he earns a year for selling male enhancement medications. He seems to attract an audience that purchases those meds, but so does KO, and KO attracts more of them.  It does inoculate them against boycotts.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:15:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you are right (1.00 / 5)

they could chose to be morons.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:26:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you are right (2.00 / 1)

Disenfranchising the base of the party would be a good place to start.

If I wanted to be a member of the Green party, I'd be a member of the Green party.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:37:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you are right (none / 0)

Did all of John Edwards' supporters threaten to join the Green Party? Were his supporters disenfranchised? Seems to me that both remaining candidates are still trying to attract his supporters. Obama seems to have picked up some of them and Clinton seems to have picked up some of them. What is your point?
by Jeter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:16:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That is a very smart decision on (2.00 / 11)

both Dean and Braile's parts if its true.

We CAN'T  make the same mistakes we made in the past or it will be the end of the Democratic Party.

Obama's people are doing everything in their power to help their candidate EXCEPT what they really need to do which is encourage him to come out and address and clarify the many unanswered questions many people still have about his platform.

Even if it means destroying some widely held misconceptions about his positions, he has a fiduciary duty to do that.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:43:27 PM EST

Re: That is a very smart decision on (2.00 / 3)

I'm an Obama supporter and I'm glad that he addressed the Wright remarks today. I'd like to see him do it again and do it strongly.

I think Wright is a self-centered man who didn't like Obama distancing himself from him and he simply doesn't care if he undermines Obama - He may even want to do so.

Yes, he is a complex figure and some of what he says is righteous. But other parts are pretty horrid.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:02:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 7)

I noticed the change in talking points of Dean and Brazile as well. The whole point of the superdelegates is to ensure a strong candidate for the General Election.


by ProudMilitaryMom on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:48:39 PM EST

"Is Donna Brazile hinting that Clinton" (2.00 / 7)

I'd rephrase that to say, is Donna Brazile ACKNOWLEDGING that Clinton IS the strongest candidate against McCain.

....because I'd most us following this and paying attention already KNEW, we're happy her biased outlook is clearing, allowing her to see the obvious.  :)


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:52:13 PM EST

Re: "Is Donna Brazile (2.00 / 2)

great suggestion.  I'll make that edit.  Thanks


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:59:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile (none / 0)

so cool. thanks.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:51:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting (2.00 / 5)

But Brazile is NOT "acknowledging" that at all -- You are exhibiting wishful thinking.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:03:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think she's saying that she's not blind... (2.00 / 4)

to the obvious shift, which is good.

Actually, I think AP's article did a very good job of summing up the landscape..

I also think that the Democrats would be crazy to nominate someone who did not reflect party values as a whole, which is to say someone who feels that this country will do the best if we try to solve our biggest problems such as healthcare - as soon as we can - and not endlessly postpone dealing with them..  lets not forget that a VERY conservative estimate has 21,000 Americans DYING every year because they can't afford heathcare in one way or another.. either drugs, tests or operations...

Personally, I think that estimate is very low, and it doesn't count heart attacks or strokes, etc. in which people do not die.

Obama has said that we can't afford cover the sickest 20% of Americans, the ones who often are not in group plans and can't buy insurance on the open market because of cost. In my opinion, his plan concentrates most of its benefits on people of working age, who are healthy. By not attempting to cover everybody, Obama gives up the opportunity to negotiate prices down as a group, with both healthy (profitable) AND unhealthy (unprofitable) members. Thats a HUGE mistake, and it means many, many people will fall through the cracks. DNC officials probably have healthcare through their jobs at the DNC, I would imagine. But hopefully, they are human and they realize that if we let this historic opportunity go by on healthcare by niminating the wrong candidate, we only have ourselves to blame. We will be letting our people down.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:18:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think she's saying that she's not blind... (2.00 / 4)

That's a misrepresentation of Obama's position.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:48:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How? (none / 0)

Actually, Goolsbee (sp?) his economic advisor said what I got that from.

Basically, as I remember he said in a WSJ article that neither Obama or Hillary were going to be able to try to address the basic cost issues for uninsured people with medical conditions who were not in big groups. Those people are often confronted with insurance costs so high that its impossible for them to buy coverage. basically, its almost everybody with chronic conditions who loses insurance. once they lose it, they can't get it back. This is happening to millions of people.

Goolsbee said that covering people with chronic conditions for both candidates (both Hillary and his own advisee, Obama) would be too expensive. However, he's wrong as far as Hillary, Hillary's group has been crunching numbers and not only do they think they CAN do it - BY LUMPING PROFITABLE HEALTHY PEOPLE IN WITH UNPROFITABLE SICK PEOPLE.. More recently, the Clinton staff announced that they think we can also afford the subsidies to limit people's costs to 5-10% MAX of their income.

Thats less than we are paying now. Also remember that most people's EMPLOYERS would be paying most of this, as they do now. (Probably more peoples employers would do this because it would be cheaper)

Here's the URL:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_pri nt/SB119681696156513818.html


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:21:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting (none / 0)

The strongest candidate against John McCain is John Edwards.  He's got elected delegates and he only suspended his campaign - it seems to me he has as much right to the nomination as anyone.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:22:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting (2.00 / 2)

Edwards is not a viable candidate. It doesn't matter how qualified a person is, once they become the butt of national jokes they are finished.  Unfair as it may be.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:33:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting (2.00 / 4)

Hillary's the strongest. She absorbs all those hits and she's still rated the most competent of the bunch, the one most likely to accomplish what she sets out to do. Pug women even want her, to clean up the bush mess, he's been soooo incompetent, not just in the highly visible areas, in every single area. Those who don't want a girl would vote for her just cause she'll do the hard cleaning and the tedious fixing and the important reversing.  Isn't it american that less than fifty percent say they trust her and more than 70 percent think she'll accomplish what she sets out to do and that they know where she stands on the issues. I heart America, a land of charming paradoxes.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:21:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

the reason Edwards suspended his campaign (2.00 / 1)

is that he was only getting about 12 percent of the vote and no financial support.
Your comment is starting to be spam and silly spam to boot.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:40:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the reason Edwards suspended his campaign (none / 0)

Because I've said it twice?

Either the popular vote is upheld or it isn't.  If it isn't, then there's no reason not to consider Edwards.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:41:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the reason Edwards suspended his campaign (none / 0)

Um, rules state it's the delegates that decide, not the popular vote...

Not that I don't think Obama won't win both, I'm just sayin'.


by doschi on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:21:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting (2.00 / 2)

I agree with your point even though I support Hillary.


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by Pagan Power on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:32:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting (2.00 / 1)

you are right - she is not ascertaining her preference.  however - she is changing her tune from harshly criticizing HRC/praising BO and the drumbeat of supers ratifying pledged delegates.  what do you think that means?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:10:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting (2.00 / 2)

It's possible she knows the contest is winding down and she wants to take a more conciliatory tone to avoid outraging the losing sides supporters.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:14:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting (2.00 / 1)

that is possible and it is also possible that in fact what many HRC supporters are hoping is true ;)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:18:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Is Donna Brazile hinting (1.33 / 3)

I am once again astounded these people call Obama supporters cultists...

"Your word choice suggests an inadequate level of enthusiasm for and confidence in Teh Dear Leader...."

snark


by BlueinColorado on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:11:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 6)

Enquiring minds thinks she'll endorse Hillary before the supers, who want a winner. This is to pre-sage it, she's dropped repeating him and she's smiling more and that does perhaps indicate that enquiring minds knows a thing or two.   I was surprised and not sure I buy it, she was so in the tank for him, but with Hillary looking to take a bigger lead in the popular vote and besting McCain in pools, Donna saying it's the most electable does seem to give that unsubstantiated rumor some credence. But, what will she get out of it, she'll look like a turncoat, dropping Barack just cause he's lost his momentum.  I guess that's politicians, no loyalty.  Wonder what Bill Richardson is thinking? Suppose he thinks he won't get to be vice president after all?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:52:27 PM EST

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 4)

Anna, I definitely sensed a shift in Donna's mindset yesterday...subtle, but apparent.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:58:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 5)

i picked up something a week ago in something she said- can't remember what the content was, but it was noticeably less pro-obama than she has been for the last few months. whether she thinks hillary might win and is junping on the bandwagon, or she thinks obama will win, and wants to salvage what she can of the splintered party's support for him, remains to be seen.

i trust brazile about as far as i can throw her. and i throw like a girl.


by campskunk on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:29:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (none / 0)

I noticed a change in her demeanor in an interview the day after Hill won PA. It wasn't that she wasn't pro-Obama but much more complimentary and talking Hillary up and even defended her at one point, when someone said they thought Hill was directing her victory speech to the SD's and Brazile said she was not and was speaaking directly to the voters. I see Dean's attitude changing too but I'm not reading anything into eihter of them other than they might have realized they've both  been part of the divisity problem within the party and are trying to undo that damage.

There was a story in ABC, I think, a few days ago that the Obama campaign was calling up all his committed's to reasure them he could get blue-collar workers and to shore up previous support. No mention on how that was going. I'm sure Clinton is doing the same but we keep thinking there are only the 300 uncommitted, plus add ons, and not the 800 SD's we are dealing with. I'm sure IF Dean can press them into a meeting of the minds by Jul 1st and committing one way or the other many committed's might have a differing opinion now than when they first committed. Plus I think some will hold out until the convention waiting on the outcome of MI and FL if the RBC doesn't decide soemthing fair and square, within the rules, before then.


by Justwords on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:14:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 2)

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed ... thought I may have been on crack.  I had to rewind Tivo to watch a second time.

I hope she (and Dean and others) start being a little more open-minded.  I don't care if they conclude that they heart Sen. Obama, but it seemed like they were jumping on the bandwagon with little proof that he can win in the GE, which really disturbs me.

Also, she and Dean might be worried about their job security should Sen. Clinton secure the nomination.


by mlr701 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:18:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 3)

Did you see Howard Dean interview recently?  Notice the cuff-links?  VERY pro-Clinton cuff links.  The tide is definitely turning.  No doubt in my mind.

Maybe--just maybe--we sometimes see what we want to see.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:27:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's so funny...yesterday I was (none / 0)

complaining to my partner, who hasn't a political bone in his body, how Donna is so in the bag for Obama. Then as I'm watching ABC and Donna is talking, he's in the background pretending not to be paying attention. Then he says, "I don't see it." I nearly fell off my barstool - I knew immediately what he meant. I, too, was perplexed at Donna's change in demeanor. Your diary, T.D., really sums it up nicely.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:48:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's so funny...yesterday I was (none / 0)

sounds like my house, LOL


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:18:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (none / 0)

The supers are always paying attention.  Dean is wishy washy though, he's flip-flopped some many times in the past three weeks, which is really spineless if you ask me.  She may very well see a surge in supers, but I don't think it'll be enough.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:52:57 PM EST

Re: Brazile:wants a Winner (2.00 / 1)

Maybe she senses an opening and she wants Dean's job?  it's pretty clear that when HIllary is prez she'll sack him for being a hack. Donna has gone too far out, and maybe she thinks by switching to Hillary she'll have a chance for that job. How much is she now paid by the DNC? And, does anyone know Howard's salary? So far neither has earned it.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:26:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have worried about Dean lately (none / 0)

but I am still a Deaniac at heart and I am not convinced like others are that he is behind Obama.  He is not wrong about the 50 state strategy and why it is important.  I also think Hillary is a smart woman and will learn from the mistake of not paying attention to the smaller states.  We do need to build the party in those states to keep our numbers in the congress and senate, governorships and state houses.
So I am still willing to give Dean the benefit of the doubt and to believe that Clinton will not sack him.  I am not sure he wants to keep doing that job forever anyway.  But if he does want to continue  think he is better at the job than most people would be, and certainly better than Donna.  I still think he has the best interests of the party in mind while others mostly have their own interests in mind.
Now that is not to say I don't think he has made some mistakes.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:58:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile: Superdelegates want a Winner (2.00 / 4)

I think both supporters are going to read what they want to into Dean's and Brazile's statements.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:55:37 PM EST

Yup, I agree.. (2.00 / 3)

I don't think that anyone should read too much into anything.. But, there's hope that people like Donna will see what many of us have been trying to say which is that Hillary Clinton has been the stronger candidate all along, and that a lot of the tactics that Obama has been using to try to smear her are indicators of a person who would not make such a good president.

Obama is a very smart man and I think he quite possibly might be there in a few years, when he's gotten some more wisdom to along with that oratory ability, but not now. Right now he seems very immature and his positions aren't the right ones to bring this country out of our long national nightmare.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:25:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, I agree.. (2.00 / 2)

Clinton has the same weaknesses she always has had. Her negatives are sky high and more people view her as out of touch than they view either Obama or McCain.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:53:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, I agree.. (none / 0)

I heard those numbers on the radio today, but they didn't name the poll. Did you catch it?


by BlueinColorado on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:12:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I disagree with you.. (none / 0)

I think these much mentioned 'negatives' are manufactured by the right in the sense that they are based on propaganda that is just plain false. I think when independents and even moderate Republican voters learn a bit more about Hillary that is not filtered through the GOP noise machine they will realize that they have been lied to. I think that is the right's biggest fear, because not only will Hillary come out of that looking good, the right will also lose credibility because their whole reality distortion field is built on successive lies that have dependencies on one another. If you knock out one or two of the main ones, then the others start to crumble very quickly. Before you know it you have a very different person who realizes that they have been lied to for a LONG time about a LOT of things.

And they are angry.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:36:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The right is weaker than we think.. (none / 0)

for that reason..


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:37:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, I agree.. (2.00 / 2)

Well, what's interesting about that is that her "unfavorable" ratings have been pretty consistent.  But she still beats Obama in major states.  I guess voters have other priorities for their president.  If it were driven by that alone, she would have lost the nomination a long time ago.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:23:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, I agree.. (2.00 / 1)

 But she still beats Obama in major states.  I guess voters have other priorities for their president

You do get the difference between a primary and a general election, right?  Those numbers don't come from the 43% of the electorate that self-identify as Democrats.


by BlueinColorado on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:48:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, I agree.. (2.00 / 1)

sort of, but they still think she's the most competent and capable of the two and think she's most likely to accomplish what she sets out to do.  She's viewed as "in touch" as Obama within a margin of error, and I think he gets an advantage in that not everyone understands the question. McCain is probably as in touch with his own base, but he's old, not in touch with popular culture. Obama may know more about popular culture.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:35:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, I agree.. (2.00 / 2)

You've presented ZERO evidence to support your contention.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:18:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, I agree.. (none / 0)

she's most likely to accomplish what she sets out to do

Such as....?


by BlueinColorado on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:48:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, I agree.. (none / 0)

She had very high negagtives in PA but still cleaned Obama's clock. I know many Republicans who would be very comfortable with Cliton.

She will be tough to beat in the general election which is what she is positioned for all along. She has to choose Obama as a VP or the MA gov.


by mmorang on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:20:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Really? (none / 0)

didn't seem to matter much to the good people of Pennsylvania


by okamichan13 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:01:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

re (2.00 / 3)

Newsflash! Obama can't win without supers either! So if a large chunk of them move to Clinton he won't get 2024 and then on to Denver! MI and FL have yet to be addressed as well and they will be or the Democrats are screwed anyway


by rossinatl on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:19:19 PM EST

Re: re (2.00 / 1)

you would think they'd know by now? But, no, some still claim he's insurmountably ahead, cause so far he has more.  Nice of you to explain again, but it doesn't suit Barack's narrative of being inevitable, so there it goes.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:39:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: re (2.00 / 1)

It's because Hillary will have to win so many MORE supers. She has to win roughly 2/3 of the remaining undecided even under the most pro-Hillary prediction of how the remaining pledged delegates are allocated.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:28:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Suggestions to TX Darlin (2.00 / 4)

I think this is another good diary that does not go over the top but clearly is designed to make a case for Clinton.

I had a few thoughts.

1. I am a little cautious about reading too much into Brazile's words.  Remember that Obama supporters believe he is the "winner" of this contest and better able to win in November.  You and I disagree with them.  But Brazile has been a die-hard Obama supporter, leveraging her bully pulpit to play games with racial politics.  When she says the word "winner", I am pretty sure she is thinking "my Obama".

2. I'm curious about this "helped by young people" line, because a few people have used that today.  When I look at SUSA polls I'm not seeing it.  I'm going to have to look at the AP poll more closely.  I understand the idea that Barack's strength with youth may be overwhelmed by his weakness with older voters.

3. I would politely suggest that you remove the second-to-last sentence.  It really isn't strongly related to the rest of your piece and kind of just adds a note of divisiveness.  Your diary stands just fine without it.


by bobbank on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:31:10 PM EST

Re: Suggestions to TX Darlin (2.00 / 2)

Nice takes . . . and good suggestion.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:43:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Suggestions to TX Darlin (none / 0)

If more Hillary supporters - and more Obama supporters for that matter - were as calm and reasonable as you I think this whole process would be many times less divisive.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:30:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Polls before the conventions can be funny . . . (2.00 / 4)

POLL SHOWS PEROT GAINING STRENGTH TO RIVAL CLINTON'S


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:41:58 PM EST

but Perot dropped out (2.00 / 1)

and if he had stayed in, all of that support which flew to Clinton after the Clinton would have stayed with him, and he may have won, or finished second


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:28:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (2.00 / 2)

Thank goodness there's only 5 more weeks of this. Just don't go getting your hopes up folks OK. This is all part of her exit.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:38:19 PM EST

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (2.00 / 3)

she has hope, and plans, and solutions and a huge staff of experts and professionals ready to take over on day one.  But, thanks for caring.


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:41:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Supporters hoping for jobs under Obama? (2.00 / 1)

might explain some of the blog behavior we have seen..

Might some Dem. politicos think they have better chances of employment under Obama than they would under Hillary, given that Hillary might be more able to hit the ground running?


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:44:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Supporters hoping for jobs under Obama? (none / 0)

Whatever you're smoking, I want some of it.


by amiches on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:07:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

When Obama loses, will that be part of her exit too? Keep whistiling by the graveyard...


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:58:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I admire your hope. (none / 0)

I'm looking forward to working with you to help Obama defeat McCain.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:16:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I admire your hope. (1.00 / 0)

Obama's gonna have to manage without my help.  He maybe should have considered that prior to pissing off a lot of Democrats like me.

But with a bit of luck and talent, Clinton's going to be our nominee, in which case I'll be working hard for her against McCain.


by Montague on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:52:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Congratulations. (2.00 / 1)

That makes you a tacit (or maybe not so tacit) member of the Republican Party. The only thing Obama has done to piss you off is beat your candidate. Sorry about that. (Well not.)


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:55:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Congratulations. (none / 0)

That makes you a tacit (or maybe not so tacit) member of the Republican Party. The only thing Obama has done to piss you off is beat your candidate. Sorry about that. (Well not.)


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:56:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (1.50 / 2)

I hope so. Obama would have made McGovern look like a winner. The guy is so green and incompetent he embarrassing.

Obaam was never a valid candidate.

He just looked like one on television.

Thank God he's losing now rather than making the entire Democratic Party lose in November.

Obama is toast. Whole-Wheat, but toast none the less.


by BerkekeyGuy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:45:20 PM EST

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (2.00 / 4)

Ridiculous comment.  Baseless.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:32:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (1.00 / 1)

If Obama's the answer, you're asking the wrong question.


by BerkekeyGuy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:46:43 PM EST

The short is ``no'' (none / 0)

She is for Senator Obama, always has been.


by ann0nymous on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:57:08 PM EST

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

I'm sure that it doesn't mean as much as you're reading into it.  Crazed individuals will soon be posting her emails on various websites once again.


by rfahey22 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:01:42 PM EST

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

The reality your seeing among the Democratic punditocracy in the widest sense, Brazile to Dowd at the weekend, is that Obama "probably" can't win this thing. In fairness to these folks they want a Democrat in the white house and they are waking up to the awful reality that although they've been lavishing praise on him and dumping on her for months he can't close the sale with the great solid mass of blue collar voters who are actually potentially susceptible to McCain's message. Hell I'm faintly susceptible to it so Mr and Mrs Average in OH or PA have to be. Obama is a great guy, talented and charismatic, but he can't win this. We can argue all night about the reasons and some of them aren't pretty but it's the political reality of America in 2008. Personally I'm one of those that hope they'll kiss and make up and he'll take the VP spot. God knows whether it will happen but it should and he needs to lay down tough conditions for it to happen but it's the optimum solution however unpalatable that may be to Obama's supporters.


by ottovbvs on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:04:06 PM EST

I'm sure (2.00 / 1)

this mediafest of Reverend Wright's is changing many people's assessment of Barack Obama.  Donna Brazile looked ill today as she talked about Wright needing to stop making these appearances and speaking out.  As Hillary said after her stunning Pennsylvania win, "The tide is turning."


by izarradar on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:17:28 PM EST

Re: I'm sure (none / 0)

I have no doubt that Obama is going to draw a sharp line between him and Wright.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:22:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm sure (none / 0)

I know a lot of folks here are on strike and everything, but if you go over to the orange site, you'll see that nearly everyone is calling for Obama to make it as clear as can be that he does not agree with the things Wright has been saying.

There is no denial that this is an issue.  There's a real maturity and honesty about that.

Everyone knows that Wright went far beyond what is acceptable today.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:26:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is why the issue (none / 0)

of Superdelegates is so important, and why we have such a long primary season.  Just for these kinds of scenarios.  What happens when one candidate is leading, but he is tainted by a scandal before the convention?  


by izarradar on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:12:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is why the issue (none / 0)

You mean like Gary Hart?

"What happens when one candidate is leading, but he is tainted by a scandal before the convention?"


by wblynch on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:08:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I will give DB the same response i (none / 0)

gave to Gov. Howard Dean -

She is only doing it to COVER HER ASS


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:23:24 PM EST

Re: I will give DB the same response i (none / 0)

That sounds about right.  Heck, Dean's also doing some CYA of his own.


by Montague on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:53:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (1.50 / 2)

Don't some of these people here have homework to do?


by Pat J on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:54:44 PM EST

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (none / 0)

Let's also remember that elected superdelegates are going to look at who can bring them more votes downticket.... Hillary at the top kills almost all pickups west of the Mississippi... She can possibly help win some stuff (and a couple states) in Appalachia...  but we may lost as many as 6 senate pickup opportunities and as many as 20 house opportunities with her at the top...

This kind of info goes through superdelegates' minds as well...  and it's important!  A democratic president with only a slim congressional majority can do very little...  but, they can sure do a lot with a huge majority...


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:22:41 PM EST

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (2.00 / 1)

More importantly we lose the White House with Obama, Hillary can win. The presidency is worth all 100 Senate seats as the last eight years have demonstrated


by rossinatl on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:31:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (none / 0)

Based n what?  One poll?  Hillary hasn't been "vetted" yet, with the right wing praising her at the moment and the media focused on taking down Obama.  If you don't think she has more skeletons in her closet, think again!

She's alienated the true democratic base, intellectuals and african americans who really can't stand her now... they aren't going to come back so easily in November...  and she's broke!  Completely broke!

The only thing working in her favor is obama's volunteer campaign organizing a huge voter registration drive... if she were to take the nomination by a coup of superdelegates, she'll need those numbers to counter the majority of democratic voters disenfranchised by her campaign.


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:40:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The right might be trying to hurt Hillary.. (none / 0)

by praising her..

who knows?

Its been the most visible and known right wingers who have done it..

In any case, it doesn't matter AS LONG AS PEOPLE FOCUS ON THE ISSUES THAT MATTER TO THEM.. and choose based on that.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:47:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The right might be trying to hurt Hillary.. (2.00 / 2)

Now that's wishful thinking.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:47:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The right might be trying to hurt Hillary.. (none / 0)

Not so much.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/opinio n/28kristol.html?hp

Glad to hear that the likes of Bill Kristol aren't defending my candidate of choice.  Might make me think twice.


by doschi on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:32:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (none / 0)

Still college-educated, still black, still supporting HRC.  No voting bloc is a monolith.


by TinaH1963 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:46:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Fair weather friend... (2.00 / 3)

Why do I get the feeling the people praising Dean and Brazile because they think they are on their side now, will turn on them viciously in a month or so?

As an Obama supporter, I love what Dean has done for our party (2006 election!!) and think highly of Brazile (even though she's a crappy campaign manager).  I felt that way before this primary battle, I felt that way when the HRC supporters were calling for their heads on a pike, I feel that way now, and I'll feel that way in a month or two.

How about you?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:42:00 PM EST

Re: Fair weather friend... (none / 0)

I used to like Brazile, but I started getting unhappy with her long before this primary season started.  She's been way too easygoing on Junior Bush for years now.


by Montague on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:54:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Fair weather friend... (none / 0)

Yeah, for many here, it's all about who is a convenient ally for the moment.  They'll go back to demonizing both soon enough.


by rfahey22 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:57:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Fair weather friend... (none / 0)

After what she tried to do to Bill Clinton (calling the "fairy tale" comment racist), I wouldn't spit on the woman if she were on fire, whether she supports Hillary or not.
Donna looks out for Donna and no one else.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:31:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I -think- she was originally for HRC, (none / 0)

then caved to family pressure and outside pressure.
It would be great if she came back again. Brazile has good
down-to-earth common sense.   I like her a lot.
by internetstar on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:42:52 PM EST

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (none / 0)

Interesting, Brazile had been one of the ones making pretty ugly attacks on Hillary in the news media. I think the suggestion that Dean, Brazile, etc... just tend to back whoever the current winner is, is the truth of the matter.

I wouldn't expect any loyalty from them, even if Hillary wins both the nomination and the GE. It's people who back you when you are the underdog and stay with you no matter what that are more trustworthy (that goes for any candidate)


by K1966 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:00:14 AM EST

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (none / 0)

Cool, so now that you guys held a crystal ball and determined that Donna Brazile's word choice means that she's now a Hillary supporter, she's not a "brillohead" anymore.

Thanks for the clarification.


by amiches on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:12:23 AM EST

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (1.00 / 1)

Excuse me? The only people I've seen using that insult term for Brazile have been Obama trolls here on MyDD who stalk Clinton diaries.  


by K1966 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 07:09:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Brazile for Hillary? (none / 0)

The "brillohead" comment was made by a poster on Hillaryis44.  It gets brought up here since some of the Rec list posters frequent that disgusting site.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:46:53 AM EST
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I doubt Brazile is "for Hillary," but we'll see what happens on May 31 when the DNC meets to decide the fate of Florida and Michigan. That will be after the upcoming primaries and Clinton may be able to consolidate more wins. Until then, with all that's going on right now, Superdelegates would be insane to pick Barack Obama as the best candidate in the general. But, it won't be the first time the Democratic Party has led its lemmings over the cliff.

McGovern in '72 comes to mind.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:34:27 AM EST

yeah thanks for (none / 0)

calling 15 million people who voted for Obama lemmings.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:23:31 AM EST
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Does this mean we don't have to kick Brazile out of the party for being a traitor as I have seen on MyDD so many times now?  What about Pelosi?  If she "gets in line" does she get to keep her seat in Congress?


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:53:28 AM EST

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I don't like her.  I'm a Hillary supporter and she could shout from the rooftops she was in love with her, and I'd still not like her.

Unlike with Doctor Fell, I know too well why I do not like her.  Starting with 2000 and what she did to Al Gore.  And just about everything since then.


by Larissa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:15:08 PM EST
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how bout brazille for hillary? not (none / 0)

obama has the delegates and is getting more supers than hillary. you all must be dizzy for all the spinning.
Taking words our of context and then putting them on a loop! oh,you already did that.
by kareng on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:36:13 PM EST

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This site is so ridiculous.  Are you still calling Obama people a "cult"?  After reading this posting and its comments, that would be laughable.  


by froggyman on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:44:11 PM EST

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Brazile should have taken up basket weaving after the fiasco in 2000.


by Larissa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:13:13 PM EST

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Laughable on its face since Brazile said she would quit the Democratic Party if the supers overturned the pledges.

And Hillary can't win the pledges (click on tagline).


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:25:51 PM EST


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