Obama on Fox News tomorrow

Anyone watching? Here's the Wallace (Fox) take:

Wallace said that if Obama had won Pennsylvania he may not have accepted the FOX News Sunday invitation. But he said that once Obama met him for the interview, the Illinois senator was "friendly" and discussed several moderate-to-Republican viewpoints, making an apparent effort to broaden his appeal.

"He made it very clear he was not some left ... liberal and he had been mischaracterized as such," Wallace said. "I think this was an effort to sort of restore or regain the brand that he had some months ago, when he was saying there wasn't a Republican solution, or a Democratic solution. It was a new politics and it needed to be a coalition."


 Now, I don't know whether Wallace is accurate in what he's saying of the interview. If its correct, this is Obama combating what I noted in an entry yesterday on how Obama's movement/message has been somewhat hijacked:

There does seem to have been a shift of a part of Obama's base, from Church-attending voters, toward secular warrior voters. When Edwards was in the race, many of them backed him instead of Obama, and it allowed a much fresher and younger voice of the Obama supporter to emerge. Now, the 'pissed off and not gonna hide it' Democrats have become a vocal part of Obama's base, beyond the youth and African-American supporters. This bitterness, amplified on the internet by some of his supporters, especially in their obsessive hatred tone toward anything Clinton, has replaced the hopefulness that pervaded his earlier supporter message. I'm not saying that Obama has changed his message, or suggesting this is a portrayal of all Obama supporters, but pointing toward a vocal part of what has become his part of his most strident base (on this note Keith Olbermann might reflect on his responsibility in having fostered a part of this attitude). I'm also not saying that there is nothing in the country that needs changing, there is, but Presidential elections are won by the candidate and movement message which is the most hopeful about the country.
This is basically Obama kicking the 'dailykos-americablog-moveon-thenation' secular warrior partisans out of the way to make room for the pivot to 'the center' (and recapture the image of a part of his base he previously held). Its the anti-thesis of the belief that we are in such a partisan-age that base politics is what wins a GE, not Obama (nor McCain, for that matter) believe it.

The 'center' strategy reflects a deep-seated belief by Obama and his strategists that the way to win the GE will be to move toward the middle voters. Obama's went a round-about way of securing the hardcore partisan base that he would need to win the secure the nomination. His post-PA strategy assumes he's got it in the bag, and its time to make the move to the general. The intention is partly overt, in reaching out to the right (and appeasing the media that he knows where he went wrong), but the overt action is to distance from (maybe even piss off) the hardcores from the left enough that they stop co-opting the Obama brand.

Now, maybe all the above is just utter bullshit, and Wallace made a complete distortion of what happened, or maybe the headfake was the Obama campaign telling TPM that Obama was going there "to take Fox on". Not having drunken a silo of Obama koolaid, I'm pretty confident that it's an accurate take by Wallace. And besides, I doubt there are that many hardcore partisans, the ones that keep dreaming Obama's movement has anything to do with a fighting partisan position, will abandon him over this anytime soon, they've still got Clinton around to hate on.



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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (2.00 / 2)

no its a let down, he doesn't take em on. its like any other interview.

both sides talk HUGE game before, but during the interview they are on their best behavior.  I think I was hoping he would go at him like Clinton did, but that didn't happen.

I guess Obama can't have himself coming out of the interview looking "angry"


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:16:01 PM EST

"Take On" does not imply fighting (none / 0)

What is wrong with a peaceful coup.

Does everything always have to be a fight?

Isn't that part of the whole premise of the Obama campaign?

You negotiate with the enemy. You present yourself to them. You don't go in with guns blazing and piss everyone off.

If this is your meme, 'take on" = a big fight,  then you are missing the point.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 08:29:29 AM EST
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If he bashes the Clinton legacy (2.00 / 1)

I cannot vote for him. He should honour the last Democrat to be President. Same if he bashes the Clintons, belittles their victories, plays the race card against them.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:17:00 PM EST

Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (none / 0)

What if the Clintons were to belittle his victories, perhaps by calling them Boutique states, or heavily African American states, or perhaps even suggesting that Democrats and Independents in red states should not have an impact on the nominee?


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:36:15 PM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (none / 0)

I was referring to exclusively Bill Clinton's legacy, not Hillary's primary victories.

Let him say what he wants about Hillary's primary victories. I, personally don't think it will change the fact that we are never gonna win in Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, Utah, Nebraska, South Carolina, Mississippi, and North Dakota. I mean, lets be real. I'll give him virginia, maybe Georgia because we've won it recently, CT, ME, and the blues hes got.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:53:35 PM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (1.33 / 3)

Except for NAFTA, you'll find nothing bad that Obama has said about Bill's record -- and, of course, Hillary talks bad about NAFTA too.

You need to learn to see past your own straw arguments -- especially since Obama is the nominee and you're only hurting the entire Democratic Party with them.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:24:36 PM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (2.00 / 1)

And Colorado and New Mexico if he chooses Richardson as a VP.  Those really ARE on the table, just look at the polls.  He's already squeeking out a win in CO and may be able to get NM in the bag too.  Anyone else have data on the other states like Pennsylvania, where I've seen posts on this site that claim both Dems beat McCain there (yet I see that for some reason it's still in McCain's column on the MyDD 2008 Poll Watcher)?


$439Billion spent on the US Military and still no universal health care.
by jlars on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:25:50 AM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (none / 0)

New Mexico I'd say more for Hillary, if Latinos keep scurrying away from Obama. Hillary won the primary there, tho because of its history, i think both candidates have it in play, but Hillary is more likely to win it. Richardson, while I don't think he'd be a good VP choice, because we can't lose the white vote by too much, could camp and work his machine hard for him in that state if Obama is the nod. Colorado, possibly, I'd say Dems in general may have a shot because Kerry came close in 2004 there. Clinton also won it in 1992, and take into account the exit polls with Perot taking equally, the win is legit. But other than that, I think his electoral map is Kerry and Gore added together, from which we need 6 votes more. I think Hillary may do a better job on that


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:42:29 AM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (none / 0)

Virginia?  No way.  People in Virginia LOVE McCain, the whole Navy thing.  McCain is WAY ahead of any democrat in the polls in Virginia.  Obama might be able to win VA, stress on might, if he chooses Mark Warner for a running mate.  Mark is a former Governor, now running for Senate, and an Obama supporter.  He's VERY popular in Virginia. Hillary won't carry Virginia.  Even Bill couldn't do that.  :(  


by SueBee on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:31:12 AM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (2.00 / 1)

Mark Warner will be the next Senator from VA--and will have a sort of inverted coat tails for Obama.


by Ray in AK on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 05:31:36 AM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (2.00 / 4)

He might be more charitable towards the Clintons if they didn't belittle all his accomplishments in this campaign. I mean first when he announced it was like, oh, isn't that quaint, but he can't raise the money. So he raises the money. Then it was okay, you got money, but you can't build an organization. So he builds the organization. Then it was okay but you gotta win something. So he wins Iowa. Then it was well Iowa is just a caucus you need to win a primary. So he wins South Carolina. Then it was well South Carolina has a bunch of black people in it that doesn't really count. So he wins Missouri and Virginia and other states and the goal posts moved again to the "big important states". If you got a former President going around belittling everything you do you maybe don't look so charitably on him.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:26:20 PM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (2.00 / 1)

even if Bill is going after Obama as a candidate in this primary, Obama has no business bashing the legacy of the last Democratic President, or why Americans should vote a Dem over a Republican, because parts of Clintons legacy is just that. you cannot just say "not McCain". If its unfair to Obama, tough then. Thats the hierarchy.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:30:28 AM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (2.00 / 1)

The hierarchy assumes a former president doesn't insert himself as attack-dog-in-chief in the primary. If he dishes it out and relishes in hand to hand attack style politics you can't cry foul when it is dished back. I have a lot of respect for President Clinton, the energy and the sheer number of events he does in a day is staggering, but I certainly don't put the man on a pedestal. He inserted himself in such a negative role in this campaign. Nobody had a problem with him when he was going around talking positively about Senator Clinton.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:12:22 AM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (none / 0)

If Nancy Reagan were young, a senator of eight years, and in a nomination fight with another Republican, do you think that Republican would bash Ronald Reagan?


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:43:44 AM EST
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Re: If he bashes the Clinton legacy (2.00 / 1)

First of all Ronald Reagan is lionized much more now then he was 20 years ago. But you're missing the point. Again I will say nobody had a problem with Bill Clinton campaigning for his wife when he stayed positive. But he took upon himself the role of chief attacker. According to a Washington Post article he and his staff are trying to drive Senator Clinton's campaign more negative with even harsher attacks. President Clinton is no longer just campaigning for his wife, he is campaigning against Barack Obama. Attacking and criticizing his positions. That is unprecedented. Former presidents do not insert themselves into the primary process like this. George HW Bush didn't. There is nobody in the party with the same kind of gravitas to answer these criticisms. And given all this you're saying Senator Obama can't say anything bad about the Clinton legacy?


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 03:32:00 AM EST
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Yes (none / 0)

If by "bash", you mean the kind of gentle criticisms Obama has offered.

For example, it's not at all hard to imagine a Republican candidate saying we should not have traded arms for hostages.  Or that Reagan made a mistake when he agreed to raise taxes in his second term.

In fact, it's a near certainty those kinds of criticisms would be made.    


by TL on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 08:16:32 AM EST
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Re: Yes (none / 0)

they actually never mention such incidents. they worship him like a god, and forget that Iran Contra happened. He hasn't offered gentle criticisms. he called the GOP during that time "the paty of ideas." But what great ideas did Newt Gingrich actually have? Clinton had better ones, like health care, which he bashed in a mailer mirroring Harry and Louise, Clinton had great foreign policy ideas in the Balkans and Kosovo, Clinton had great ideas on crime, welfare reform which he campaigned on, Clinton had "ideas" but Obama gave Newt Gingrich credit instead. What "conventional wisdom" did Newt Gingrich challenge? Clinton was the one who challenged the conventional wisdom, that only Republicans could balance budgets, and that you could only do it with huge cuts in programs, but Obama chooses to honour the wrong guy. Was Bill Clinton as "transformative" as Reagan? Maybe not, but the lump him with Richard Nixon is an insult. Also, what about those new states he brought into play, which Democrats usually never won before, like California, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maine, Illinois, Connecticut, Michigan, New Hampshire, Delaware, New Mexico into our column, all of which we lost in the prior 4/5 elections, and lost most of them in 1968 as well. These states are a huge part of our electoral ingredient, and make up a majority of the 270 electoral votes we need. So Bill Clinton deserves some credit.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:11:42 PM EST
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Re: Yes (none / 0)

I agree partway, but only partway.

Republicans typically don't bash Reagan for a lot of reasons, but one of them is that they aren't running against Nancy.  They can compete to be the rightful heir.  Hillary's presence in the campaign makes it impossible for anyone to say they're Bill's heir.

Bill Clinton clearly helped his party's electability, though I'm not sure I'd give him quite as much credit as you do.  For example, California was plainly trending D, and the fights over immigration cemented the Democratic party's rise in the state.

As for what Obama's criticisms have been, they're a mix of the fair and unfair.  He's probably not giving Clinton enough credit for moving the Democratic party closer to the electoral center.  But I certainly think he's right to raise questions about whether the financial industry was adequately regulated under Clinton (and by extension, to have us ask ourselves whether as President HRC would be any different).  

 


by TL on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:20:40 PM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (2.00 / 2)

Not having drunken a silo of Obama koolaid, I'm pretty confident that it's an accurate take by Wallace.

Ironic, isn't it?  The assumption here is that the spin coming from Fox News itself is more accurate than that from the Obama campaign.

If that's not partisan antipathy, I don't know what is.


by Capt America on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:18:35 PM EST

At least he didn't cite NewsMax... (1.00 / 1)

... or FactHub.


by Bob Johnson on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:21:14 PM EST
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Yeah (none / 0)

FactHub is a totally biased source and a decent journalist would not be caught citing something like that.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:30:56 PM EST
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But... but... but... (2.00 / 1)

FactHub calls itself:

The Straight Scoop On Election `08 From The Hillary Clinton Campaign


by Bob Johnson on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:34:02 PM EST
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Re: But... but... but... (none / 0)

Careful.  I got lambasted in another thread for calling out "the Hub."


by Capt America on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:42:25 PM EST
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Re: At least he didn't cite NewsMax... (none / 0)

What are you obsessing on now?


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:44:59 PM EST
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Your skin is... (none / 0)

... opaque.


by Bob Johnson on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:25:28 AM EST
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And that's a good thing, Jerome. (none / 0)


by Bob Johnson on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:26:59 AM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

I pre-ordered a copy of "Crashing the Gates" and read it cover-to-cover the day I received it.

I can't believe that I would ever hear the co-author of that well-reasoned treatise on Democratic politics in the 21st century say that Chris Wallace of Faux News has any other object in mind than to portray the likely Democratic nominee (Obama) in as poor a light as possible.  I understand that, in this regard, Wallace and Jerome have a converging interest, but...wow...

The cognitive dissonance is stunning..


by sfyoungdem on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:58:39 PM EST
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save your cognitive dissonance for yourself (none / 0)

Dude, realize that you are going to have to wake up in the morning and read the transcript, or watch the show. Its Obama doing the courting with Wallace, I'm not a part of it.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:14:27 PM EST
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Re: save your cognitive dissonance for yourself (1.75 / 4)

"Its Obama doing the courting with Wallace, I'm not a part of it."

Never mind Hillary courting with Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife?


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:31:04 PM EST
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Re: save your cognitive dissonance for yourself (2.00 / 1)

Jerome,

You have drunk the Hillary kool aid, which tastes the same as the Obama kool aid, except that her kool aid has no democratic nominee aftertaste.

Stop shilling. It will only end in tears and recriminations.
The race is over. Over.  You are a smart man. Why can't you see that Hillary's path is a dead end? I am not trying to be a snark merchant. She has no path to the nomination that doesn't completely ravage the party for 20 years.  Obama's path is logical to the average voter. He will never be seen as stealing the nomination as logic is 100% on his side.

Stop it now.  Your site will be laid to waste just like her candidacy.


by swarty on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:21:33 AM EST
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Re: Have you ot noticed? (2.00 / 2)

Hillary partisans seem to be quite fond of FOX news of late, so we should not be suprised when Jerome buys the FOX spin over his fellow Democrat... Par for the course these days.


by tommy on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:15:30 PM EST
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Good post Jerome (1.00 / 1)

Though I would think that most Obama supporters would not appreciate the kool-aid comment as it has very negative connotations, maybe you could say 'having never bought the Obama hype' that still shows your not liking his campaign but doesn't insult those that do support him.

i for one am glad Obama took this tone with fox.  To win in the GE a candidate needs every vote they can get and if Obama can get a few votes by going on Chris Wallace (who has some journalistic qualities unlike Bill O'Reilly) then more power too him.  Bill had the benefit of being out of office when he took on FNC.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:20:50 PM EST

And as you can tell from reading MyDD... (none / 0)

... there is no such thing as "Clinton Kool-Aid."


by Bob Johnson on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:21:58 PM EST
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To be honest (2.00 / 4)

I would rather both sides drop the kool aid insult.  There are valid reasons to support either candidate.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:22:58 PM EST
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Re: And as you can tell from reading MyDD... (1.00 / 1)

Yah gotta believe!

Yah jes gotta believe!

Believe, believe, believe!

In meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

How is that workin' out for ya Bob?

Hah....hah.....haahahahahahhahahahahhah!
.


by Pericles on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:20:29 PM EST
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Posting while under the influence... (2.00 / 1)

... is generally a bad idea, as witnessed by your post.


by Bob Johnson on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:24:44 AM EST
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Re: And as you can tell from reading MyDD... (2.00 / 1)

Drunk a little deeply of the electric kool-aid, have you?

The kool-aid thing always creeps me out, as it always makes me think of the Jim Jones suicide/massacre. I've never been sure if it is a direct reference to that or not.


by alephnul on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:25:22 AM EST
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Re: And as you can tell from reading MyDD... (none / 0)

Of course it is - and with the implication that all Obama supporters are lemming like creatures heading toward suicide, it's as insulting as any of the 'hysterical' comments Hillary supporters get so exercised about.

But this is a lop sided situation, at least on this site. If an Obama supporter is not completely tolerant, you are quickly told 'You're not winning my vote with that tone of voice'. Whereas the invective and slurs that fly around here about Obama would often make a republican's eyes water.

Go figure. It's almost like a group therapy session sometimes, for IAs - Inevitables Anonymous.

On a note of conciliation and understanding, I suppose the last three months must have been traumatic for Hillary supporters. They have been waiting four to eight years for her nomination. But democratic politics can never be a matter of entitlement or grandiosity.  


by brit on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 05:54:55 AM EST
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Re: And as you can tell from reading MyDD... (2.00 / 1)

The thing that has always made me unsure is that drinking the koolaid would then mean being so committed to the cause that you have committed suicide for it. The tense always seems wrong. Obama supporters (or whatever group you want to insult as being fanatically loyal and blind) are implied to be willing to commit suicide, but if they've drunk the koolaid, they aren't willing to commit suicide, they already have.

It is a trivial quibble, but it always led me to wonder if there were some other koolaid reference that I was missing (the electric koolaid reference would actually make some sense, as it could imply a generally delusional state, as well as a belief that you have found the hidden truth and the thing that will save the world).

On the Clinton supporters, I can understand arguing that it is really, really important to convince people (voters and SDs) that Obama = electoral doom, I can understand Alegre's style of posts both about how great Clinton is, and about how crappy Obama/the press/ whomever's treatment of her is, the one's that baffle me are the folks who seem to be constantly arguing that Clinton has just turned the corner and everyone is now realizing how bad Obama is. Those ones seem sad and delusional, rather than just positions I don't agree with (actually, I sometimes agree with alegre about sexist treatment of Clinton).


by alephnul on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 07:28:23 AM EST
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Re: Good post Jerome (2.00 / 1)

I'm tired of the Kool-Aid stuff but it usually just goes in one ear.....  But I don't appreciate it from the moderator/administrator/owner/head honcho.  Kind of kills any desire I have to read what are usually interesting pieces.

Obviously a campaign has to run mostly on platform, ideas, competence.  What bothers me a great deal about many of Clinton's supporters and the campaign itself is the need to mock the joy Obama's partisans take in him and in his campaign.  It's like cynicism has become a value. If you have a substantial candidate, and he is one, what the hell is wrong with some inspiration and enthusiasm; it's been sorely lacking in the political process for a while.  Of all things to disparage, why this?


by mady on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:36:22 PM EST
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Re: Good post Jerome (2.00 / 1)

It's hard to appreciate "hope" in others when you've given up on your own.


by Capt America on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:44:53 PM EST
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Re: Good post Jerome (none / 0)

the kool aid reference wasn't meant as derogative toward his supporters in general, it was, as I linked it up now with, a note to what BTD has pointed out about those that believe Obama is a fighter.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:16:40 PM EST
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Re: Good post Jerome (2.00 / 1)

yuck. BTD is awful. Do people actually listen to his rants? I'm sure the guy is super wonderful and all but his writing and many of his ideas are a bit over the top IMO.

just goes to show though, there are few Bowers or Rosenbergs in the world that actually go beyond the standard, run-of-the-mill spin. Getting googly eyes for one candidate is pretty annoying.

In regards to the "fighting" b.s., neither of these Democrats must be any good at "fighting" if Democrats as a collective whole are to be believed. I mean, Hillary never really fought against the war authorization nor did she stop herself from becoming the #1 recipient of drug company money in the senate (Obama hasn't been leaps better on that front).


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by alex100 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:45:23 AM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (none / 0)

This should be interesting. I've always had a feeling that on social and some economic issues, Obama is not as progressive as Hillary. (Thus why I chose to support her, along with a myraid of other reasons).


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:20:59 PM EST

Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (none / 0)

I don't know about social issues, but on a lot of issues Obama is definitely more conservative than Hillary.  If you look at his foreign policy, economic, and health care advisers, there are a lot of University of Chicago people.

Also, I don't get what the point of this article is.  Obama has always talked like a conservative in many ways.  His 2004 DNC speech was one of the more conservative speeches you will ever hear from a Democrat.  Part of his appeal is being able to present a progressive agenda without sounding too much like a typical liberal.


by KevinT on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:01:33 PM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

Framing the discourse in such away that doesnt alienate consevatives is not the same as being consevative. I suspect, or at least hope you can grasp this.


by tommy on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:20:25 PM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

Of course he's not a conservative.  Thats exactly what I was saying.  He has always talked like more of a moderate than he really is, and I suspect this is what Chris Wallace was referring to.  

I doubt very much that he changed his position on guns or abortion while on Fox News.  Rather I think he probably talked about personal responsibility and religious values in way that appeals to moderate Republicans, which is a good idea and not at all a shift in his campaign strategy.  


by KevinT on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:44:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

Lots of inconsistencies here: which is it? Is he conservative or progressive? Cant be both.


by hctb on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:25:56 PM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (none / 0)

Give it to him for trying.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:30:28 PM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

Sorry we can't all come up with rambling, pointless stories that serve no purpose other than to throw out a couple of childish insults at Obama and his supporters.

You evidently fail to recognize that speaking to moderate Republicans and independents has always been one of the foundations of Obama's campaign.  That has never changed, and its part of the reason that Obama consistently beats Clinton among the most liberal base of the party as well as among independents.  While the press may have stopped talking about this pitch to independents, Obama certainly never stopped making it.


by KevinT on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:51:51 PM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (none / 0)

I dunno...........it seems like most republicans are kinda scared of him now, with that crazy minister, and arrogant Michelle,  and anti American Ayers guy.  I don't think anyone wants to hear more about his church.  


by SueBee on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:39:09 AM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (none / 0)

Yes.  Wright and Ayers could hurt him.  But I think most voters believe, as I do, that the Wright story is much overhyped and that the Ayers story is completely bogus.    

If you think that there aren't stories with at least as much traction that would be spun up about the Clintons, you're in denial.  


by TL on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 08:35:22 AM EST
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Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (2.00 / 1)

if you're talking about his economic advisors, not all at UC are "conservatives" but it is worth mentioning that Goolsbee is a DLCer which to me is a problem. That's not to say he isn't brilliant or what not because he is.

but I'm not willing to concede that Obama has "always talked like a conservative in many ways". We saw in the "compassion debate" (awful idea) how progressive he is. In fact, he was the only one of two candidates to acknowledge atheists and he did so without the typical negativity that is associates with those who lack something to believe in.

The truth is we've seen both of these candidates latch on to conservative talking points at some point of this campaign with little success.


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by alex100 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:05:29 AM EST
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Wow. How quick to call names. (2.00 / 2)

This is basically Obama kicking the 'dailykos-americablog-moveon-the-nation' secular warrior partisans out of the way to make room for the pivot to the center.

I resemble that remark, since I spend time both here and on DKos (which, BTW, I consider a much better site in SO many ways).

What this is is obvious. Obama is now the presumptive nominee. He doesn't need to debate Hillary. He needs to debate McCain. He also needs to remind people that it is he who will expand our majority by convincing some Fox News viewers, many of whom are in older demographics that he's the right candidate. That much is effective in both the remaining primary states and the general election.

As for your snide DKos comments. Many of us have suggested that this is EXACTLY what Sen. Obama needs to do at this point.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:21:03 PM EST

Looking at the remaining primary schedule (2.00 / 1)

Obama doesn't need the liberal vote anymore, the rest of the primary schedule is in conservative states. Philly was the last large city.

So while he does have the GE in sight, he is also trying to survive the  remaining primaries as well.


by ineedalife on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:30:32 PM EST

Oregon isn't a conservative state (2.00 / 1)


by Angry White Democrat on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:36:10 PM EST
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Hmm, Gordon Smith, Republican Senator from Oregon, ranked 55th on progessive punch, below any Democrat. Now granted, for a Republican he is pretty good. Bush managed to keep Oregon within 4 points in 2004.

Oregon has some very conservative regions, it is certainly not a liberal state.


by souvarine on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:34:06 PM EST
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Gordon Smith is probably the most "liberal" of Republicans out there, or at least he pretends to be...  He does a very good job of conning Oregon voters that he's a latte drinking progressive, even though he's anything but...

Oregon's a liberal state with a con artist senator...  Maine has a couple of its own as well...  you wouldn't classify Maine as a conservative state, would you?


by LordMike on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:38:52 PM EST
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Uh, yeah, since I have family ties to Maine I would say it is a relatively conservative state. A Democratic version of Virginia. Not as conservative as Oregon, but on the conservative side of Democratic states.

With a little luck Virginia will be on our side this year, and I'll have a smaller pool of Republican states to pick from.


by souvarine on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:53:02 PM EST
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I'd agree that, overall, Maine is on the conservative end of Dem states, but it's nothing like Virginia.

And it has pockets that are as progressive as just about anywhere you'll find.

The stories of how Snowe and Collins got elected are interesting, but have only a bit to do with conservativeness. Snowe was a US Rep who ran for Senate in 94 against the state's other US Rep, Tom Andrews, a progressive Dem. In other years it may have been much closer, but Andrews had voted in the previous year to close military bases and that basically cost him 20% of the vote, including the whole north of the state (there were other issues as well). Collins ran in 96 against former popular gov Joe Brennan in a very close race. Collins was relatively unknown (having one unsuccessful gov run under her belt) and Brennan was well-liked, but came across as, um, past his prime. Throw in two third party candidates (Green, Taxpayers) and a contentious Referendum question (banning clearcutting), and Collins just squeaked in.

In neither case was there any kind of conservative mandate. It does still depress me, though, that the seat once held by George Mitchell is Republican.


by vadasz on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:20:19 AM EST
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I think large portions of Oregon are generally very conservative outside the urban areas.  It's much like California in that respect.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:45:24 PM EST
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We're a mix. We only just won full control of the government back to the Dems, after a long, long time with a Repub controlled legislature. At the same time, Gordon Smith is the only state-wide elected Repub, and at the state level, the Repubs seem to have largely given up this go round. Smith is about the 6th most liberal Repub senator, and stays in by harkening back to the long Oregon tradition of liberal Republican senators (Hatfield and the odious Packwood). We have a shot at him this time, although nasty campaigning between Novick and Merckley probably doesn't help our chances.


by alephnul on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:43:26 AM EST
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portland will be the last large city (>2 million).


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by alex100 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:15:34 AM EST
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Stir it up Jerome (none / 0)

...just when we thought the Sen Obama support blogs had won our hearts and minds :-)


by Coldblue on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:36:01 PM EST

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The strategy reflects a deep-seated belief by Obama and his strategists that the way to win the GE will be to move toward the middle. Obama's went a round-about way of securing the hardcore partisan base that he would need to win the secure the nomination. His post-PA strategy assumes he's got it in the bag, and its time to make the move to the general.

This is absolutely backwards. Obama will be the only Democrat who ran slightly to the right in the primary, and will run to the left in the general.

He will be the nominee, the presumptive leader of the party, so he will be able to run on all Democratic issues with no sniping from his own party. Running a firmly "liberal" campaign on Iraq, the recession, and the disgust at the prospect of a third Bush term will allow him to contrast himself with McCain perfectly. And those three overarching issues will keep independents and even moderate Republicans with him.

I agree his hopeful message has slipped. But as the sole Democrat in the race, he will reenergize that base, register millions more Democrats, and  most of the bile will drop away. He will be an even stronger Democrat after this primary.


by along on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:39:09 PM EST

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No, you don't get what I said, not Obama, but his movement, and its message, has moved to the left-- or really, think of it more as movement to an angry, not hopeful, message.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:40:58 PM EST
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Angry at DLC-GOP style campaigning perhaps.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:46:05 PM EST
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oh, well, I think that is debatable, but I'll certainly give you that point.

but that's not what I took you to be saying: you're talking about how he is going to "pivot" to the center, how he is going to run against McCain. It is true they both must fight hard for those Independents that everybody always maintains will be the deciding factor. But I maintain that given the current landscape of the Bush/Republican clusterfuck, he will pull them to his side by running confidently left-of-center, not centrist.


by along on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:47:01 PM EST
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What if this "pivot to the center" not only doesn't earn him any marks with the White Working Class but also loses him some of the idealistic kids, crossovers, independents.  

Maybe Axelrod does have it all figured out.  But it seems plenty of movekossaks will be upset by this constant drip drip of the melting messiah.


by wasanyonehurt on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:01:06 PM EST
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Kossacks aren't particularly liberal, and they are pragmatists above all else. They are interested in electing Democrats, not just fighting the good fight.

Also, this isn't much of a change. Obama has declared his liberal positions to be common sense, not liberal, for a long time, and very publicly.

Obama's language tends to be universalist, representing his positions as being above partisanship, so seeing him presenting those positions as moderate and accessible to moderate Republicans isn't really that much of a problem.

One of Obama's major selling points has always been that he appeals strongly to moderate Republicans and Independents, so I can't see anyone being very shocked that he isn't selling himself as a partisan Dem. It seems to me that it is a different candidate who sells herself as a fighter and a partisan.

It will be interesting to see from the transcripts if Obama actually takes any Republican-lite positions in the interview.


by alephnul on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:50:21 AM EST
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Re the candidate pivoting--or not--to the center (which I realize you maintain was not the thrust of your argument):

I developed my theory months ago, but it has been around, and here's Chait today espousing it better than I do, in taking issue with Krugman:

Krugman Misreads Obama

In a blog post, [Krugman] adds that if Obama "runs this way in the general election -- if it's about the candidate's awesomeness, not about why progressive policies make peoples' lives better -- it's a formula for defeat."

I think Krugman is missing a huge factor here. Obama and Hillary Clinton agree on 95% of the policy issues. That's why their campaigns -- hers has done it, too -- have focused almost entirely on personal differences between them: who can change Washington, who can answer the phone at 3:00 AM, etc. It's also why their discussion of health care has focused mainly on the differences rather than their point of agreement. (On health care, both sides have demagogued, though Obama has demagogued worse.)

But of course Obama isn't going to campaign this way in the general election. Obama already has a (brief) riff on McCain in his stump speeches, and it centers on policy disagreements over Iraq and the Bush tax cuts. Obama isn't going to run a  primary campaign centered around opposition to the Bush economic program because that isn't a good reasn to vote for him over Clinton. It is a good reason to vote for him over McCain.


by along on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:10:46 PM EST
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"... his movement, and its message, has moved to the left-- or really, think of it more as movement to an angry, not hopeful, message."

Who would have thought we'd live to see the guy who helped Markos Moulitsas write "Crashing The Gates" parrot  conservatism's favorite talking point, that liberalism is "angry."

Stick a fork in him, he's done.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:43:34 AM EST
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How does moving to the left capture more moderates and republicans?  


by SueBee on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:41:41 AM EST
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Why that last paragraph, Jerome? Why?

It didn't add, in fact, it just subtracts from the rest of the post. I went in reading "oh how interesting" and by the end I'm shaking my fist in the air, roaring "Jah-roooOOOME!!!"

I mean, usually proof that the hull of the Clinton Kool Aid Valdez split on the rocky shores of your brain, covering all the seals of logic and gulls of trenchant commentary with thick, crude partisanship is the writing of paragraphs like that!

Don't harsh the mellow! We've got at least a few more days before we're all bitter/inspired Hoosiers. Why not save the vinegar for a rainy day? At least not for a total dog-bites-man story as this.

What? Obama is going on Fox News after lots of publicity-making drama which helped him in the primary; now his return will generate publicity to help him in with more conservative voting blocks, which he needs in Indiana and Oregon? Unheard of! And look, gambling going on in this establishment! Claude Rains is shocked, SHOCKED!

Meanwhile, suspiciously, Hillary refrains from slamming a shot or shooting ducks during a Wellesley alumni meeting. It's as if they're politicians of some kind, campaigning for some kind of national office.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:40:00 PM EST

Re: Obama on Fox News tomorrow (none / 0)

The hatin is gonna get a lot worse from that side toward Clinton I'm afraid-- just pointing out the facts on the lay.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:44:18 PM EST
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But come ON. Hillary sat down with Scaife! You think he's going to become a Hillraiser should Clinton seal the nomination? Certainly the hating will come for anyone to the left of Tom Delay. Why wouldn't it? Steve Doocy needs BABY RUTH!*

Still, Nixon has to go to China. OF COURSE Obama was going to go on Fox News. Tides are less likely. I don't see the news.

But I guess I may be misunderstand the issue; are you saying that he shouldn't go on Fox News, or that his doing so is hypocritical given prior statements (and are there specific statements)? Is it a dig on the fanbase, that was upset over Hillary and her fanbase's newfound love for the 'fair and balanced' network?

* Yes, Steve Doocy is Sloth from Goonies. Swear to God. Uncanny resemblence. Ever see them in the same place at once?


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:58:06 PM EST
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Nah, I never went for this whole ban of Fox News, you ought to know that much. It's got nothing to do with Clinton. I'm always amazed at how folks think its always about Clinton, when for me that's not even an afterthought.

I liked up the diss to the post where it has the audience. BTD says it to them, the ones that are dreaming that Obama is a fighter. He's never been. He  only did the ban to make sure that Edwards didn't get to the left of him.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:22:57 PM EST
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How do you define "fighter" in an executive/legislative sense? Sometimes it seems interchangeable with "winner," and in politics that may be true. But I wonder if you or others have a metric by which to judge that.

That said, Obama has gone on record as not being a fighter, making the pollyanna (I'll call it) that not everything needs to be a fight. I personally translate that into what I've seen during this campaign as doing the Clinton and Bush skill at talking over the beltway one better. Inspiring over the beltway, maybe. It's a skill I think necessary for enacting just some of the policies that the country needs.

I also know that's a big gut call on my part. Maybe that's the same as identifying who is a 'fighter' and when that skill is most needed.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:28:52 AM EST
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"The hatin is gonna get a lot worse from that side toward Clinton I'm afraid-- just pointing out the facts on the lay.'

In a few more weeks Hillary will be totally yesterday and Obama's fans won't give her a second thought. But the hate you're planting with Hillary's fans will probably live on.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:15:25 PM EST
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LOL, folks like you've been repeating that line about about a few more weeks for months now.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:24:12 PM EST
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The former has been proved incorrect, but the latter?


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:29:37 AM EST
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You don't got game Jerome.

For such a smart guy, how did you get so not smart?

Unless you have pictures of Obama in bed with Tony Rezko, he will be the nominee of our party.

Clinton's path to the nomination is the only one which creates utter chaos. If you can't see that then you are not the political scientist that you assume yourself to be.


by swarty on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:41:19 AM EST
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Six weeks is a bit more than a few, but not that many more. Do you really think that it goes on beyond early June? Do you actually think that Clinton has a serious chance at this point, one that will only be decided at the convention?

If freak events happen, and Clinton has even a tiny lead in total delegates on June 6th, most of the Hillary hate from Obama supporters will evaporate as we recognize her as the next Democratic presidential candidate (and mourn that Obama was eaten by bears at such a young age). The only thing that will keep the Hillary hate going beyond six weeks from now would be Clinton being behind in total delegates after the primaries are over, and still vowing to fight on to the convention, trying to sway the pledged delegates and promising a floor fight over whether to give MI and FL full votes. Does that strike you as likely (or something to hope for)?


by alephnul on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:59:09 AM EST
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Maybe he doesn't buy into the (2.00 / 1)

idea of the "middle" either but believes that certain things aren't right-left-middle just right-wrong.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:44:25 PM EST

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  What lovely commentary I can read on this blog.  I can see why Bowers and Stoller left.  LOLZ - OBAMA supporters drink the Kool-Aid!  Self-parody.  It might help if the front-pagers followed the rules of their own blog.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:45:07 PM EST

Hilarious. (2.00 / 1)

In two weeks time, I have been reading from Hillary supporters that Obama is too conservative...then too liberal...and now back to conservative.  Can you guys just pick one and stick to it?


I trust Senator Obama.
by GFORD on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:51:41 PM EST

Re: Hilarious. (none / 0)

That's the thing about Obama, he is a very dexterous politician, and he has a gift for appearing to be all things to all people. A fair number of smart Democrats think that his ideological flexibility is the trick for getting progressive policies into place.

The rest of us think that politics is negotiating over real differences, and that Obama's approach is a recipe for conceding ground.


by souvarine on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:42:02 PM EST
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An empty vessel into which anyone can pour exactly what they want to drink.
Kool-aid, anyone?
by georgiast on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:00:28 AM EST
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See, you've just summed up why Obama is better than Christ. Christ offered wine and loaves. Obama gives us Kool-Aid in a sourdough bread bowl.

It's heartier.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:31:35 AM EST
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My kool aid gets me to the nomination. Your kool aid gets you nothing other than a purple tongue.

The race is over.  She made a game of it, but it is over.


by swarty on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:44:42 AM EST
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Yick, purple kool-aid. I only ever liked the blue kind. Not the mountain berry-blue either, which is a bit to green, both in color and flavor, but the ancient (late 80s) shark-berry blue.


by alephnul on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:28:12 AM EST
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That dexterity is important in a politician. (none / 0)

The upside of it is (for us) that his platform is a solid democratic agenda.  The fact that he packages it so it's palatable to those across the aisle is a bonus for us.


I trust Senator Obama.
by GFORD on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:53:44 PM EST
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Sure.   When Obama decides WHAT he is, let us know.  Let us know what he chooses to be.  Then we'll decide how we feel about it.  


by SueBee on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:50:56 AM EST
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Jerome is doing a pretty good job of (2.00 / 2)

proving that he not only hates Obama but he hates anyone who chooses to support him as well... or at least that is how it feels to me with the comments such as "Obama Kool Aid" and such.

What gets me most about this is that many people on both sides of this fight have co-opted a very Bush-esque strategy of suggesting those who don't agree with them are somehow less than they are.


I read the body count out of the paper; now it's written all over my face.
by JDF on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:51:56 PM EST

comments such as "Obama Kool Aid" . (2.00 / 2)

Can have only one purpose -- to inflame and sow division.

Strange behavior from someone who claims to want Democrats to beat Republicans. He should just take the rest of this campaign season off and let others carry the blog since his hate-obsession with Obama and those who prefer him over Hillary is hurting all Democrats.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:10:59 PM EST
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Re: comments such as "Obama Kool Aid" . (2.00 / 1)

I think we should claim it. After all, if it weren't for Kool-Aid, Robot Chicken would lose 1/2 its jokes, Jim Jones would have had to settle for Hawaiian Punch, Ken Kesey would have written his crappy later works SOONER and Obama hatas would be forced to accuse of us being his underage polygamist sect wives or something. Much harder shorthand with which to show contempt in the face of formidable argument.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:35:04 AM EST
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So he's not fundamentally changing his message, and he's keeping the same basic pitch he had when we in the "dailykos-americablog-moveon-thenation-( MyDD)" crowd came to support him, but somehow this represents kicking us to the curb and setting new groundwork for a pivot?

Well, glad to have that cleared up.

by Jay R on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:56:53 PM EST

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It's just a pathetic attempt to drive a wedge between Obama and the majority who support him. If Jerome hadn't long ago squandered any pretense of impartiality he might have decieved more than just the usual Hillary crowd with it.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:06:26 PM EST
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paul rosenberg puts this thing best. Check out his latest piece on the subject.

Other then that, I'll wait and see what occurred and make my rational opinion at that point. I'm not willing to take out the pitchfork and join the mob at this juncture.


!
by alex100 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:56:56 PM EST

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Obama backtracking and spinning is all too familiar. This is exactly what he did after he made the clearly complimentary remarks about Ronald Reagan and then denied them.

Obamaniacs are in for a rude awakening should he become President. He is going to be including top Republicans in his cabinet and compromising left and right with them. That is why the GOP has been praying since the start that they would face Obama in November. They know he is a pushover.


by TruthCounts on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:00:00 PM EST
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"Obamaniacs are in for a rude awakening should he become President"

There would certainly have been no rude awakening with Hillary. Her DLC roots and pro-Bush record have been apparent for all with eyes to see.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:03:57 PM EST
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Not to mention the horror, the fact the two candidates in the Democratic primary agree on most things. Funny, but one is DLC and pro-Bush and the other is the liberal messiah. What a strange world you live in.


by msharp on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:31:14 PM EST
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The thing that makes Obama different is that he has been funded by the people.

DLClinton sold herself to the highest bidders decades ago.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:46:15 PM EST
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