O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? - Take the Totalism Test Today!

O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT?

Obama supporters, worried friends, significant others, scared parents, adult children of Odramas, etc. .. Lets all take the totalism test together!

Context.. In his book, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of "Brainwashing" in China, Robert Jay Lifton, M.D. laid out a number of criteria which are common to all groups that practice coercive mind-control techniques on their members.

These criteria were originally written about the Communists in China, but time has shown that they apply in varying amounts to all cults, so they can and do help us evaluate the relative cult-like ness of many other groups, from Om Shinrikyo to Freepers..

If YOUR group is a cult, IT IS DANGEROUS. You need to leave.
MOST of the WORST disasters in human history have been CAUSED by cults. It could be you in that movie.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Does it apply to the 'Odrama' campaign? Lets see.

In the book, Lifton outlines the "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform":

  "1. Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.
   2. Mystical Manipulation. There is manipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but in fact were planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that will then allow the leader to reinterpret events, scripture, and experiences as he or she wishes.
   3. Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.
   4. Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.
   5. Sacred Science. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.
   6. Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.
   7. Doctrine over person. Member's personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.
   8. Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also."

Okay, now you see what we are talking about.
Does it apply to the Odramas?

Lets take the test!

If YOU or a CLOSE FRIEND or MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY has joined the Odrama organization, we would especially like you to participate.

Everyone, please select any of the selections, as many as apply to your knowledge of the situation.

* This test IS FOR ODRAMA-RELATED INFORMATION ONLY. NO REPUBLICANS OR SCIENTOLOGISTS today please, thank you.

Note: this is completely unscientific, for entertainment purposes only, void where prohibited, chew all dogmas before swallowing, etc.

Obama supporters, please don't take this too seriously. This is a joke! Laughing at yourself is healthy!

Some questions appear to have been truncated, please refer back to the paragraphs above for the full text


Poll
Please check the applicable boxes below if they apply, when you have met, been involved with, or observed the following kinds of interactions in the Odramas (check ALL that apply, or the bottom selection which means you disagree)
Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large. (IMO, we have all experienced this here an
Mystical Manipulation. There is manipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but in fact were planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that
Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.
Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the
Sacred Science. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticis
Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the gr
Doctrine over person. Member's personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.
Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the
No, I do not think Odrama is a cult. Please pass me some more Kool-aid.

Votes: 12
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Troll Diary (2.00 / 3)

I just wasted like two minutes of my life that I will never get back.  Why don't you try posting something thoughtful, substantive and um, I dunno...sane next time.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:31:42 AM EST

Re: O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? - Take the Totalism Te (2.00 / 1)

rotfl!


by colebiancardi on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:31:53 AM EST

Re: O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? - Take the Totalism Te (2.00 / 2)

This diary is a whopping insult to Obama supporters and has NO place in a political discussion


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:32:49 AM EST

Re: O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? - Take the Totalism Te (2.00 / 2)

Correction: This diary is a whopping insult to itself, and has no place in a discussion in which any of the participants have any self-respect.


by username2 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:45:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This diary (2.00 / 1)

is above all a classic case of projection. Cenk Uygur is now asking whether Hillary supporters are the global warming deniers of Democratic politics, and this flatulence makes the point as clearly as anyone could.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:49:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Look.In.The.Mirror. (2.00 / 1)

Find me the Obama equivalent for this, this, and this and then we can have an honest discussion about cults.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:33:24 AM EST

Even better... (2.00 / 0)

In the book, Lifton outlines the "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform":

 "1. Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.
   2. Mystical Manipulation. There is manipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but in fact were planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that will then allow the leader to reinterpret events, scripture, and experiences as he or she wishes.
   3. Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.
   4. Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.
   5. Sacred Science. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.
   6. Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.
   7. Doctrine over person. Member's personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.
   8. Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also."

Apply this to the Clinton supporters here at Jonestown and Hill44.


by kraant on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:34:07 AM EST

Are Clinton Supporters really Democrats (2.00 / 1)

What discusting tripe. Maybe you should lay off your meds, you have gone way over board.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:37:26 AM EST

Re: O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? - Take the Totalism Te (2.00 / 0)

I know you can't change it now, but the actual word is "totalitarianism."  Thanks for playing.


by username2 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:46:43 AM EST

Here's another page on totalism.. (1.00 / 2)

As I understand it, totalism eventually leads to totalitarianism..

http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainw ashing/brainwashing19.html


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:53:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Uh hum. (2.00 / 4)

So if we allow that bottom-up grassroots-centric Obama campaign to succeed, the outcome has to be totalitarianism.

Do words have any meaning to you, or do you just throw them out like bon bons?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:00:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Uh hum. (2.00 / 0)

If Obama is the nominee, the terrorists have already won.


by username2 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:04:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Uh hum. (none / 0)

One of them told me today that s/he wanted Emmanuel to replace Pelosi as Speaker under a Clinton presidency, because Emmanuel would "know his place" as Speaker was "beneath the President".

Clinton supporters don't so much want to undo the Bush régime, as recast it, I suppose. But Obama supporters are "cultists".

They've gone all Stockholm under the Bush régime. I think I heard poor Jemmy Madison spinning in his little casket.


by BlueinColorado on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:29:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? - Take the Totalism Te (2.00 / 1)

Is this for real?  Can't one just substitute Clinton for Obama and get the same results?  


by temptxan on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:49:58 AM EST

Re: O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? - Take the Totalism Te (none / 0)

You Hillary cultists are a hoot.

Only mind control could explain the writing of such crazy stuff


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:16:02 PM EST

Re: O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? - Take the Totalism Te (none / 0)

Wow, you got only one person to agree with you.

This is the point where people generally seize the moment and start booing.


by Mostly on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:07:10 PM EST

Re: O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? - (none / 0)

Psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one's own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them. The theory was developed by Sigmund Freud and further refined by his daughter Anna Freud, and for this reason, it is sometimes referred to as "Freudian Projection".


by Fairy Tale on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:21:48 PM EST

Re: O'DRAMA - IS it a CULT? (none / 0)

Boy oh Boy, the Hillary supporters or should I say cultists, must be dipping into the almond kool aid pitcher again!!!! And it's extra strong stuff. How else could someone justify posting up crap like this. Grasping at straws. "Obama's Cult" is not worried, there's no Janet Reno around to Davidian Ranch us.


John McCain: Everyones nowhere man
by johnny sexton on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:50:15 PM EST

Good diary (none / 0)

Not only do we need a little comedic relief around here but it does raise the question of what happens (to any candidate's side) when they become part of an echo chamber.  Prior to 2008, I thought it was a purely Republican phenomenon.


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:57:53 PM EST

Instead of using projection to disagree with the (none / 0)

Diarist I will use humor (such as snark)

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I don't think either campaign is a cult.  Neither campaign is controlled exclusively at the top.

You say the diary is snark but you don't have the snark tag and it comes off as serious, you either failed in your objective in making it seem like snark, or really didn't mean it as snark.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 03:56:06 PM EST

That IS the most positive thing I see about the (none / 0)

Obama campaign - the grassroots workers..

Thats why I suspect that even if the core Obama people, say, don't support universal healthcare - since the rank and file do, that perhaps if Congress passes a bill (which could happen) perhaps Obama would not veto it.

He would lose a LOT of cred with so many people in the Dem. party - except a few very hardened and cynical Washington insiders - if he did.

Nomatter how much money he gets to do it.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:40:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you for the positive response (none / 0)

humor tends to lighten a mood (as well as politely disagreeing).

I would love for a truly UHC system to be enacted (I am a med student and have seen what not having access to health care can do).  However I don't think the republicans in congress will let anything truly transformational through.

If the dems could get 60 in the Senate it would be possible for Hillary's plan to get through (with a hell of a lot of arm twisting of the blue dogs) but there are idiots like Sen Coburn who don't like the idea of health care reform.

I like Hillary's plan a lot better from an issue basis.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:45:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

asshole (1.00 / 1)


by citizendave on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 03:59:41 PM EST

You are doing a huge disservice to Clinton (none / 0)

Do you really think that insulting millions of people as you did here is any helpful to Hillary Clinton? Honestly, how do you expect Obama's supporters to react in the fall if she gets the nomination? Do you expect us to donate and volunteer  for her?

Or are you just a Republican trojan trying to hurt the Democratic party?
 


by hania on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:45:29 PM EST

No, of course not.. (none / 0)

Please don't take this so seriously. No, I do not want to hurt Hillary, or Obama (if he gets the nomination.)

However, I'd like to see his online supporters be a little more open to discussion of issues relating to his platform, rather than what we have seen recently, which seems anything but. (They verbally attack people who bring many important issues up.)

Your point is well taken, though. Obama folk, I wasn't trying to insult you, I was just trying to get you to engage a bit more, and be less monolithic in your unquestioning acceptance of all that your candidate does.

Its getting a little tiring, I suppose this was also partially an attempt at humor.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:35:07 PM EST


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