The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate

Yesterday we saw about as lame a spin memo as there's ever been, and today we get as straight an authentic non-spin recap by an Obama delegate in PA as you'll ever get:

From: Dan Wofford
Sent: Wed Apr 23 14:18
Subject: RE: Wa d f happened?

John and interested friends:

You ask "what went wrong" -- I assume that's what you meant by "Wa d f happened?" Here's my hangover-colored answer:

He visited San Fransisco two weeks ago. That's what happened.

* Message to all Democratic Candidates: Never to go San Fransicso, unless incognito;

* Message to Barack: Don't think out loud at fundraisers in San Fransisco if you're stupid enough to go there.

* Message # 3: If someone in SF asks you about those "strange rural people in PA"...don't indulge their liberal, latte drinking bull shit...Just tell them if they want to understand rural and ethnic PA that they should get in the Prius's and drive down to Bakersfield or any of the other mid state towns in California where there are people who actually lead ordinary lives and care about God and own guns....That's what Barack should have done and then not apologized for making remarks that while poorly worded were fundamentally accurate on one level (while not others...since when times are bad, people actually start caring about the 'big" issues like jobs and health care....that's why HW could win the senate seat in 1991...)

To answer your question more specifically:

1. Bittergate hurt a lot -- bc is slowed down and then with the poor debate performance stopped what was truly real closing momentum. No question had he not gone to SF or said those comments, we lose by 3-4 pts.

2. Debate hurt him for same reason as #1, and bc it cost us a couple days and didn't help with undecideds. Thank god we had a brillant state wide tour that was very effective or this could have been a real blow-out...as it is she just got 8 more delegates than we did out of PA.

3. Field Operation didn't put all the possible assets on the table: As much as admire the campaign's field leadership (and I mean that, some very capable and good folks who have a fantastic organizational model). I do believe they were overconfident about their ability in Philly to get the vote out without paying street money or sucking up to the ward leaders so that party regulars along with BO volunteers would get the job done.....too reliant on the massive number of "volunteers" in the city -- but many not true locals or party stalwarts.

4. I would have paid "street" money... See (Legendary Philly Inquirer columnist) Tom Ferrick's op-ed in yesterday's NY Times....paying volunteers to work a whole day in the city is a long held tradition and frankly is a sure way to see that you get every possible vote. Danger of course is that Ward leaders skim some of the money, which some do or that they give it out and then help the other candidate. Well that's the risk you take. I felt it was bullshit for the Obama campaign to say they weren't going to play that "old" politics game. Yet we played the "old politics" game of massive amounts of paid TV -- and of course a nice percentage of that goes to the media consultants...but of course we can't pay some hard working local african american ward leaders and precinct captains and volunteers to spend 14 hours doing GOTV and watching the polls. Makes no sense.

5. So Message #4: Play by the local rules, unless they are actually corrupt, which they aren't. Harris Wofford, Bob Casey, John Kerry...even Howard Dean..have all paid street money...Barack couldn't? Did this cost us the election?...of course not, is it one the things on the margin that held our total down, yes...in my humble opinion.

6. Overconfident in the field -- our household got literally 15-20 robo calls and mailings from Bill or HRC at our home. Mailings for Barack -- I think zero. Robo calls from Barack, ONE and guess when it came on my phone -- 4 pm on Tuesday. I am not a fan of robo calls and direct mail is increasingly less effective. But they are tools in the arsenal...and I don't know why we didn't use them. I know my Dad made a Robo call at the campaign's request that went out on Monday....don't know how extensive, but I heard from folks about it.

7. Don't write off senior citizens....campaign perhaps wisely didn't invest time and strategy to win over seniors...they are so entrenched for HRC, campaign felt there just wasn't time to do this and still do what was needed to move our base and swing voters we had a real chance with......That said, we've just got to find a way to reach seniors, since BO has a great message for seniors and great narrative about his own grandparents.....I suggested doing a lot of intergenerational stuff that could reach young and old at the same time....

8. Working class PA folks, esp those over 45, don't trust Obama...this is a problem and other than getting them to meet Obama retail style...don't know how we solve it, unless we can get him to do a quick tour of duty in Iraq...

9. Losing the Catholic and Jewish vote: Way to cautious in outreach to Jewish community...did not put enough assets out on the table...not enough Jewish folks involved....self perpetuating problem...Think the same is true for Catholics.....A friend close to the campaign said she was surprised to see how few Catholics and Jews there were on the campaign...don't know how true this is...but most campaign's we've been on, Catholics and Jews seem to predomoinate....As a proud Wasp, I have been an oppressed minority in many a campaign...

Much of this we can correct...some we can't...I think BO wins NC and then we just have to hope he can pull off a win in Indiana. It might be over then, but I doubt it. I now believe that HRC will stay in to the bitter end.

With that in mind, I will be in Denver as a Delegate to cast my ballot for Barack. I finally won in the PA 6th CD (not counting my primary win in 2002)....I got elected as one of three delegates going to Denver representing Obama and the vaunted 6th CD....

Would trade that for 5 more percentage points for BO.

All for now.

Danny

His advice on San Francisco voters is poor, but his post-PA analysis seems pretty good, lets take them point by point.

1-2, yes, like Obama's NAFTA crapta in Ohio, he had last-weekish misteps that set him up for failure-- or more importantly, an event for the pundits to point toward as the reason for his failure to close a 55-45 gap. But, I am not sold that 'bitter & cling' took away a closer PA election from Obama. It's not like he was 3-4 points down before it happened, and none of the state polls showed a movement away from him after 'bitter & cling', and the same for the debate. Perhaps, combined, they had an effect. But it seems just as possible, given points 3-9, that Obama would have lost by the same margin, and we'd see the pundits blaming the terrible bowling score instead. Dan might be right, but the polling doesn't back him up. Clinton's uptick was more or less matched by Obama's uptick in the closing polls, the difference, like Ohio, being that the polls (some of them at least, and including the poll of polls) didn't show Clinton pulling away at the very end (but give Zogby credit, as he caught the Sunday-Monday movement to Clinton and nailed the final margin, as did Suffolk and even ARG nailed the Clinton number).

3-6, this is the most damning part of the recap memo. First of all, I don't agree with the meant-to-be pejorative use of the word "street money", which pays what Dan correctly describes as "hard working local african american ward leaders and precinct captains and volunteers". Especially when you compare it to running an obscene amount of TV commercials that rack up those media consultant commissions. These points highlight a serious flaw, a blind spot, in the media campaign of Obama's, led by media consultant David Axelrod. There is a tendency of media people to believe that TV can do everything, but to see their "eggs in one basket" strategy so nakedly exposed here is alarming.

7, the demographic problems for Obama. Dan's inter-generational idea is a good one. It is a problem of stagecraft, and campaign fatigue. I was dumbfounded, when I watched Obama give his post-PA speech in Indiana, and placed directly behind him for the TV screen were 3 white ~22 year old males sporting Abercrombie & Fitch swag that surely made the corporate sponsor proud. That's a major screw-up for a campaign, similar to whosever great idea it was to schedule Obama for a round of bowling without any prep or practice. These are not things Obama can control, he shows up where he's told to go at this point. They are signs of fatigue and sloppiness on behalf of the campaign staff-- something not entirely unexpected either, given the long haul this has been. In many ways, the reshuffling that Clinton's team has done has allowed her to bring fresh staffers off the bench, while Obama's staff has remained the same and is making tired mistakes (another case in point). Just compare that sloppy polling memo for the superdelegates by Obama's staff (not even mentioning Florida & Ohio), with the article by Geoff Garin today to see the contrast of who mailed it in and who is on their game.

8, wow, too over-the-top flippant to even comment on (probably the meant-to-be-humorous part he refers to in the follow-up).

9. This is the real crux of the matter. There does seem to have been a shift of a part of Obama's base, from Church-attending voters, toward secular warrior voters. When Edwards was in the race, many of them backed him instead of Obama, and it allowed a much fresher and younger voice of the Obama supporter to emerge. Now, the 'pissed off and not gonna hide it' Democrats have become a vocal part of Obama's base, beyond the youth and African-American supporters. This bitterness, amplified on the internet by some of his supporters, especially in their obsessive hatred tone toward anything Clinton, has replaced the hopefulness that pervaded his earlier supporter message. I'm not saying that Obama has changed his message, or suggesting this is a portrayal of all Obama supporters, but pointing toward a vocal part of what has become his part of his most strident base (on this note Keith Olbermann might reflect on his responsibility in having fostered a part of this attitude). I'm also not saying that there is nothing in the country that needs changing, there is, but Presidential elections are won by the candidate and movement message which is the most hopeful about the country.


Dan follows up with a "humble pie" email to Ben Smith in the post, stating, "I do want readers to know that the tone of some parts of the email was intentionally tongue-in-cheek and humorous (or attempting to be) -- meant to lighten up a group of close friends disappointed by the results here. My sixteen year old son has already upbraided me for using foul language in a couple of places. I've told him that life is about learning from mistakes and hopefully not making them a second time."

There's nothing in this memo other than a bit of embarrassment for having exposed an honest take. I think we'll see more of Dan in PA elections, as their voters do tend to like the politicians that speak honestly enough to insert the foot in mouth with naked truths and then have the gumption to acknowledge it afterwards.



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Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (1.63 / 11)

Just another whining variation on:

W hat O bama R eally M eant.

The guy lost.

He lost.

He lost.

Yet within hours the inevitable calls for 'the bitch to quit....' rang through the increasingly sexist, elitist reaches of the 'sphere.

Frankly if it wasn't so bad and dangerous a thing I'd almost, almost, wish Barry made it to the GE so McSame, tired out old retread from the Republican paleolithic....

COULD MOP THE FLOOR WITH BARRY'S ASS!

Look! Look up at the top corners of this page. What do you see?

Res Ipsa Loquitor.


by Pericles on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:01:17 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 1)

I don't agree with a number of your sentiments, but the two people who down rated it are making the rounds tonight abusing their rating privileges like we were at the Big Orange Cheeto.  I uprated your comment to counteract their negative vibrations through the blogosphere.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:36:29 PM EST
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Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

I downrated it because the poster said he would like to see McCain elected president under some circumstances.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:05:20 PM EST
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Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

Pericles managed to call Obama a worm and Hillary Clinton a bitch and then talked about hoping McCain will beat the presumptive Democratic nominee in November.

If this isn't worthy of being troll-rated then a lot of you have lost perspective.


by wengler on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:10:56 AM EST
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Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (2.00 / 2)

has caused a lot of people to rethink the possibility that Obama is destined to be the nominee.  


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:05:22 PM EST

Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (2.00 / 3)

Whatever....

I know I am sick of hearing and looking at the guy. It was bad enough when there was only one Joe Lieberman.

Two is way too much for my delicate system.
.


by Pericles on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:06:53 PM EST
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Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (none / 0)

Sorry to say but Lieberman in a Skirt isn't going anywhere, she'll be a prominent Senator even after all this crap, we just have to accept the fact that she won her seat despite her Neocon take on Foriegn Policy and her socially conservative values on everything but Health Care, LBGT Rights and Abortion (basically she's pro-censorship).


by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:21:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (none / 0)

"Lieberman in a skirt." This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that the memo alluded to. YOU are now the face of the Obama campaign: nasty, mean, sexist, arrogant. Your spokesman is Keith Olbermann. How's that been working out for you lately with the voters?

But you know, keep up the ugliness. Keep digging.


by cc on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:06:44 PM EST
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Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (1.50 / 2)

Do people actually believe this?  He kept the margin in one of the most demographically-favorable states for Clintons to single digits.  He spent a bunch of money where it will be useful in November.  He did just fine, and there certainly wasn't anything humiliating about it.

Question -- are you going to be talking about how Clinton's "humiliating" double-digit loss to Obama in NC in a couple weeks?

Anyways, interesting read, and unlike a lot delusional spin Jerome posts, it's nicely constructively critical.  Take notes Jerome, this kind of honest criticism of a candidate is helpful to everyone.  Claiming ridiculous, intellectually dishonst "popular vote leads" is just polarizing and helps nothing.


by ChrisKaty on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:10:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (2.00 / 3)

Answer -- will be a low single-digit loss for Clinton in NC, nothing "humiliating" about that.

It's about expectations, complacent BO supporters have frequently counted chickens early while Hillary just keeps soldiering on.  This memo alludes quite well to the expectation missteps made by his campaign.


by wasanyonehurt on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:32:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (none / 0)

If she loses by less than 5 point in NC then I will personally donate to her campaign.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:15:33 AM EST
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Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (none / 0)

No, they don't really believe it.  They know that Hillary's chances decreased due to the small margin of victory and are now falling back on childish taunting.  Thankfully this will all be over in a month or two.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:54:00 PM EST
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Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (none / 0)

I don't think it was humiliating at all, considering that most people -- most certainly including me -- thought that he'd lose by at least 10 points.

Yet Clinton couldn't get above single digits.

The memo makes good points and I assume the Obama campaign will learn from the race.  When he runs in November, he'll have the Democratic machine behind him.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:16:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (2.00 / 4)

new math now?  I love the screed from the Obama camp about the single digits in PA.

cnn reports 10%.  

ps - I know how you managed to get the less than double digits - should we go back and redo all percentages based on your new math to prove a completely useless talking point for Obama?


by colebiancardi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:21:17 PM EST
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Just because Cnn says... (2.00 / 1)

doesn't mean that they are right. If you go to the secretary of state's website for PA you will notice that she only won by 9.2%.  Is it that hard to do a little bit of googling?

No wonder why our country is falling further behind China and India.


by regina1983 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:27:45 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (2.00 / 1)

oh, and you have all the other percentages as well?  

And the only reason why Obama supporters go out of their way in PA's case is to diminish Hillary's win.  Because that is all you got.


by colebiancardi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:31:39 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (none / 0)

And all she got was 9 delegates.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:54:59 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (2.00 / 1)

and 200,000 more votes.


by colebiancardi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:55:26 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (none / 0)

215,000 I think.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:59:45 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (none / 0)

Unless they can all go to the convention and vote for HRC that doesn't really matter.

I am sick of hearing about the popular vote- I would love it if it mattered, but it doesn't. Delegates matter because that is the rules of the game. Don't get me wrong, I am all for changing the rules before 2012 but that doesn't mean we get to change them in the middle of the primary.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:28:21 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (2.00 / 1)

actually, the rules state that the supers can look at electability, which includes looking at the popular vote.


by colebiancardi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:17:17 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (none / 0)

They can look at electability...heck in reality they can look at whatever they want my point is that many Clinton supporters seem to think that popular vote is more important than delegate counts and it really isn't (especially when you consider the fact that it is hard to determine the popular vote in caucus states.)


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:50:54 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (none / 0)

Well, that and our candidate is the presumptive Democratic nominee.  That's all.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:54:39 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (none / 0)

I now understand why people can't do the delegate math. They can't even do the math my kids learned in 4th grade.  This is not complicated, folks.

9.2 does not round to 10!!!!


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by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:28:32 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (2.00 / 1)

they got to 10 percent based on the percentages of who voted for whom.  When you watch the results, they don't say 54.5% voted for candidate x and 44.3% voted for candidate y.

they round those numbers and that is how they get their final spread.


by colebiancardi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:18:45 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (none / 0)

Do I have to go through this again?

If you were in a 5th grade math class and were asked to find the difference between two numbers, rounded to the closest whole number, you would

- subtract the two
- then round to the nearest whole number

This is not complicated, folks!


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:52:02 PM EST
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Re: Just because Cnn says... (2.00 / 1)

and you do realize that depending on the type of question given by teachers, they can use either method?

seriously.  Calculators have this function.  At any rate, your reasons for doing this just for PA is petty and childish.  

I didn't see any other state with your method, only PA - and the reason why you stick with it for PA only is because you wish to diminish Clinton's win there.

petty and childish.


by colebiancardi on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:16:32 AM EST
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And that makes it right? (none / 0)

9.2 rounds to 9 under the system of math we all learned and adhered to before we had an agenda of supporting one candidate or another.

I find it odd that you think Obama supporters look desperate when they say the margin was less than 10.

One other mathematical point not noticed by Hillary supporters trumpeting the PA victory.  Clinton won by 10.4% in Ohio, which has an Af-Am population of 18%, and only 9.2 in Pennsylvania, which has an Af-Am population of only 13%.

Obviously, I would have preferred that Obama win, and I congratulate Sen. Clinton on taking the state by a substantial margin.  But it's awfully hard to point to PA to argue that Obama's support is crumbling outside the Af-Am community.  As a matter of simple math, he plainly won more whites than he did in OH - despite rev. wright, despite bittergate, the flag-lapel pin, his poor debate performance, etc.

Moreover, Sen. Obama has other bases of support, as we're about to be reminded.  Considering all the evidence there's no sign that Hillary would be a decisively better candidate in the general than Obama, which means there's no reason for the supers to swing the election to her.

I should add, since others haven't, that there is very little reason to believe that she will have won more votes than he did - even if you grant her the results of the FL primary.  The only way you can even conceivably get there is to allow her to count all of the votes she received in Michigan while granting Obama none of the uncommitted.    If you really think that way of counting the ballots reflects the will of the voters - that no Michigan residents preferred Obama - then please say so.  I will be happy to take the case to the supers on that basis.  


by TL on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:49:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama's humiliating loss In Pennsylvania (none / 0)

No, it is 9.2%.


by mariannie on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:59:13 AM EST
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Poor Barack Obama: (2.00 / 3)

The only thing standing between him and the nomination is that so many Democrats prefer Hillary to him.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:23:01 PM EST
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Re: Poor Barack Obama: (none / 0)

But not enough to deny him the nomination, though. All you guys are doing is delaying the inevitable and hurting our chances to win with a greater margin.


by eddieb on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:42:10 PM EST
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Re: go back to MSNBC (none / 0)

Here's an Irony of the year nominee for 2008 right here.  It's only April too.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:18:24 PM EST
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Re: go back to MSNBC (none / 0)

Friendly wager?

How much are you will to wager on Hillary getting the nomination? What sort of odds do you want?

I want someone, ANYONE, who think the nominee is going to be Hillary to put their money where their mouth is.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:29:34 PM EST
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Re: go back to MSNBC (none / 0)

Here ya go...

I'll bet $10.00 and give you 5 to 1 odds... he wins I pay you $50.00. She wins the nomination, you pay me $10.00. But on condition, of course.

You agree to also bet (should he win the nomination) $5.00 on Barack winning the presidency against McCain at 10 to 1 odds for me. Barack wins, I pay you $5.00. McCain wins, you pay me $50.00.

Advantage to you, because in a pre-supposed 2008 general election match-up between Obama and McCain, the two votes in my household will be going for Barack.

Deal or no deal? Put your money where your mouth is. :)


by RickWn on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:43:10 PM EST
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agreed (none / 0)

email me at
mistborn@yahoo.com to finalize details.
ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:48:51 PM EST
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Re: go back to MSNBC (none / 0)

A fool and his money are soon parted...

I would take this bet in a second if I knew you were good for it.


by wengler on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:15:52 AM EST
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Re: go back to MSNBC (none / 0)

I want in on this.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:19:36 AM EST
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Re: go back to MSNBC (none / 0)

Sorry interested parties:

This is not a bookie operation or a pool. It's a water cooler.

A friendly bet between only JDF and myself.

JDF, I'm at Sykon@cox.net.


by RickWn on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 02:19:48 AM EST
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Re: Poor Barack Obama: (none / 0)

And the only thing standing between her and the nomination is the slightly larger voters that prefer Barack to her. Funny how that works.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:49:17 PM EST
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Re: Poor Barack Obama: (2.00 / 1)

Slightly my ass.

Significant.  When she went to bed on monday night she needed 67% of the remaining delegates to catch Obama.  After blowing a huge lead and only winning by 9.2% and picking up a meager 9 delegate net out of Pennsylvania, she now needs to win 71% of the remaining delegates to catch Barack.  

A 9.2% win for her in Pennsylvania was NOT a good thing for her chances.  Fewer contests remain for her to try and catch up and the largest opportunity that remained has now passed without her meeting the 67% pace she so desperately needed.

Darn.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:31:46 PM EST
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Re: Poor Barack Obama: (none / 0)

Shhhh, don't antagonize them.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:47:13 PM EST
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Re: Poor Barack Obama: (none / 0)

There is no question that Hillary supporters need Michigan and Florida to be seated as is, with Obama getting zero delegates in Michigan.  Since they were just reapportioned, and both states' delegate totals are, at a minimum, going to be cut in half, it's almost impossible for Hillary to get the nomination.  Not mathematically impossible yet.  But Hillary can not leave the race after a win, no matter how big or small.  If she loses both NC and IN, by any margin, she probably steps down at that point.  If not, we continue on until the primaries are over and/or he's above 2025.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:58:08 PM EST
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the only thing that keeps him from winning (2.00 / 1)

is that he keeps LOSING


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:27:06 PM EST
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Re: the only thing that keeps him from winning (none / 0)

He won two of the last three contests.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:29:13 PM EST
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Re: the only thing that keeps him from winning (none / 0)

But Obama won two of the last three contests.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:29:44 PM EST
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Re: Poor Barack Obama: (none / 0)

The only thing standing in between Hillary and the nomination is that more Dems want him in office.


by jbill on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:05:07 AM EST
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Re: Poor Barack Obama: (none / 0)


The only thing standing between her and the nomination is that so many Democrats prefer Obama to her.

Fortunately for Obama, there are more who prefer him.


by TL on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:50:38 PM EST
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Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 2)

The memo is very clear and I thought instructive. all I have ever heard is how powerful OPbama's ground game is and how the campaign on the ground is invincible. Idea being they  never make mistakes. so this let's the light in. thanks for sharing.


by linfar on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:11:13 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

There is no perfect candidate out there.


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by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:15:02 PM EST
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Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 2)

His talent is grassroot fundraising not politics.


by gotalife on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:13:50 PM EST

Except of course he's ahead and she (none / 0)

can't catch up in pledged delegates so that really doesn't track.

Seriously, he's the nominee. If he sucked so bad the former first lady and former president could have taken him out easily. They couldn't. They can't.

Getting McCain is probably a valuable thing to do at this point...


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:40:42 PM EST
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True (none / 0)

We might as well call him "the presumptive Democratic nominee."  It's true.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:59:42 PM EST
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Re: True (none / 0)

Let's certainly not call him the "presumptive next president", because any descriptive phrase with the word "presumptive" in it seems to be almost the kiss of political misfortune!  :-)


by RickWn on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:00:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

So the latest spin is to marginalize him via Deanification?

Try to marginalize him all you want, but he represents a new kind of political power for the Democratic party -- we finally chose the populist over the machine (with a hat tip to Edwards, since he would have taken that title before it got down to two).

And yes, PA didn't choose him.  But we're a national party, and he's won the national primary.

Next month when supers make it quasi-official, you should embrace this.  It's a historic opportunity for our party.


by randomscientist on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:23:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 1)

one of the excuses they STILL use is that no one knows Obama & hence, all the $$ they have to pour into ads.

and yet, when more debates are asked of him, supporters of Obama brush it off & state what more do you need to know?

which one is it - Obama is the "fresh-face" that no one knows about & needs to pour millions to get the message out or everyone knows who Obama is and where he stands on the issues?


by colebiancardi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:16:40 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

The last "debate" didn't consider much in the way of issues, now  did it?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:17:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 1)

the last hour did.  And for some voters, perhaps the first hour did as well.

and you'd think, if the last debate was so horrific (gasp), Obama would want a redo.  But we already know what he thinks about redo's.


by colebiancardi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:22:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Tactically there is no reason for the leader (none / 0)

to debate the one trailing. At this point he'll marginalize her by ignoring her for the most part and bleed her dry by running ads in all of the remaining states. She can't afford to keep up.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:36:19 PM EST
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Re: Tactically there is no reason for the leader (2.00 / 1)

Other than the reason that the American public views you as not having the stones to meet her in debate.

You haven't forgotten already that he broke all PA spending records, $11 million TV alone . . . and lost.  In my opinion he probably could have spent $22million and still had the same outcome.  

It's clear that throwing money the problem without the "appeal" is worthless. Regardless she is can afford to keep up and is over 3 times more efficient with her spend.


by wasanyonehurt on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:46:12 PM EST
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Re: Tactically there is no reason for the leader (none / 0)

Yeah adults really don't think that way. He was supposed to lose PA so no I didn't forget. In fact I know the polling spread after Ohio and know that his money was money well spent.

If she's more efficient she wouldn't be in debt. She can afford to keep up if she self finances. Is there any indication that she'll do that? She's still in debt as far as I can tell.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:49:06 PM EST
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Re: Tactically there is no reason for the leader (2.00 / 1)

Yes, political junkies like us may think that way.  You will see in the coming days and weeks that the average American will see him as DODGING her in debate.

Money is pouring in to Hillary's campaign post-PA.  The end result of BO trying to spend her into oblivion will be 1) additional calls for more donations from you - his supporter and 2) dwindling coffers for him.  I say spend away Obama, go for the all-time-worlds record one that can't be assailed for generations.


by wasanyonehurt on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:56:59 PM EST
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Re: Tactically there is no reason for the leader (none / 0)

Nah. I doubt any of those things will come to pass. She can't keep up with him financially or organizationally but she'll have to try. She'll give it a good fight I'm sure. Maybe she'll loan herself some more money. From what I've read, statistically, for every day she campaigns in a state where he's campaigning he shows a greater benefit from the campaigning but she doesn't have any choice.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:02:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tactically there is no reason for the leader (none / 0)

Efficency: Going from 100 Million+ to into the red and never leading in pledged delegates for a single day!


by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:14:50 PM EST
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Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

I was disturbed by the stand on the street money issue also, but I do get it. A lot of people have volunteered a lot of time for the campaign. But as one of those people, I wouldn't have been offended by him paying the Philly black machine to GOTV, especially in light of the massive TV buys.


by dmc2 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:16:53 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

Oh, so you're a machine pol. No wonder you don't like the reformer in the race.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:31:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

fthe fake reformer in the race, Obama (2.00 / 2)

is an elitist dope who take stands on meaningless issues and has no self awareness whatsoever.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:11:46 PM EST
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Re: fthe fake reformer in the race, Obama (none / 0)

Wow, you do sound bitter.  Seeing the end at hand?


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 12:57:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ward Cash (none / 0)

I have to agree that Obama would have been well served to pay ward leaders.  It is a sleazy practice but cost him votes in Philadelphia.  It basically explains the low turnout in what should have been a high turnout area.  

I do have to say that I am heartened that some people in the campaign were disappointed.  I would have preferred a 2-3% margin rather than 8-9%.  Dan goes so far as to suggest that a victory might have even been possible.  We will need that fight in November and hopefully have learned lessons that we can take into November.


by zadura on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:21:02 PM EST

Re: Ward Cash (2.00 / 3)

Im my policial worldview of campaigning, the gravy train of media commissions ranks higher on the sleeze scale than paying a inner city ward crew for GOTV operations.


by Jerome Armstrong on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:24:40 PM EST
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Re: Ward Cash (2.00 / 2)

couldn't agree more and well said.


by linfar on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:41:54 PM EST
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Re: Ward Cash (1.00 / 1)

Looks like its time to play the "Ask Linfar how she can support Hillary" game again.

For thsoe unfamiliarwith our rules, I list a "quote" from Hillary and ask Linfar how she can continue to support her (Note: For the purposes of this entry we're using Linfar rules, make up whatever the hell you want and attribute it to the person you want to defame)

Hey Linfar how can you support a canidate who described slavery as "a net postive for America, and the only way you can get Blacks to work!"


by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:20:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why is Linfar back? (none / 0)

Jerome,

Why is linfar allowed to post after such racist postings before? Is this what you condone on your site?


by regina1983 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:49:55 PM EST
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Re: Why is Linfar back? (none / 0)

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.....


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:53:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

WWW (none / 0)

Seems to stand for Wild Wild West:)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:57:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

toll (2.00 / 1)

troll with an interesting assortment of race cards.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:07:13 PM EST
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Re: Ward Cash (none / 0)

Agree with sleeze factor.  Bigger picture, there have been a few PA pundits that believe "street money" had a very slim marginal impact less than half a point maybe of the overall loss percentage.


by wasanyonehurt on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:50:57 PM EST
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Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

Where is the superdelegate stampede to Hillary?  Obviously, they realize HER coattails are much longer because she wins the over 45, white blue collar vote.  
When will the party leaders ask Obama to stand down because she obviously has the best path to the nomination?    MN, MO, WI, IA, Or - these states dont add to a hill of beans, it is all about big states.  
When will the money come after her solid, game changing victory?  
I am not talking 10m, but 20-30m she needs to be viable AND pay off debt.  

FACT:
3 SD's to Obama, 1 SD to Hillary post Tuesday  

FACT:  
We need those little states as much as we need the big ones, regardless of what the Clinton campaign tells you.  

FACT:
A prominent Hillraiser LEFT her campaign today to support Obama.  

Cmon people, we need to focus on McCain, not our nominee.   NOV is too damn important to continue playing these games.


'The only people for me are the mad ones, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing ...'
by stryan on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:32:43 PM EST

What went wrong with Hillary (none / 0)

Why couldn't Hillary close the deal on super tuesday? She was up over 30 points when this primary season began and she obviously squandered it or lost it to an inexperienced Illinois Senator. Why couldn't she increase her lead in Penn instead of loosing over 15 points of a 25 point advantage? After all She had the full support of the popular Governor and numerous Mayors. The state according to her compaign was the perfect demographic and she should have won it easily by over 30 points. After all those Obama gaffs  that Hillary so eagerly exploited the fact is she still couldn't keep her lead says volumns. It's pretty clear she just doesn't know how to close the deal. Where has all her experience gotten her, 8 or 9 delegates, wow how unimpressive. I think from being the front runner to the compaigns dead ender doesn't speak well of her ability to lead the Democatic party let alone America, now does it Jerome.


by eddieb on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:32:54 PM EST

snore (2.00 / 2)


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:04:39 PM EST
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Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 1)

Interesting.  Good post.  It's something you normally don't get to read, the inside analysis of what happened.  I would love to see a post-loss memo  from Clinton's campaign as well (not being nasty, just would be curious to see how they analyzed their failures--successes obviously just call for celebration).


by mady on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:33:37 PM EST

Heh funny stuff. (none / 0)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:34:48 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 0)

Yesterday we saw about as lame a spin memo as there's ever been

Yep. And it was in the form of a front diary on this blog.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:51:28 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (1.50 / 2)

Refusing to talk to Philadelphia Gay News did not help. The campaign keeps showing these little hints of homophobia. Another Dem voting block to worry about.


by DaleA on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:54:41 PM EST

Obama is homophobic. (2.00 / 1)


by CoyoteCreek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:00:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is homophobic. (none / 0)

When did he say that?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:03:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He doesn't have to say anything... (2.00 / 1)

Actions and his associates speak louder than words!


by CoyoteCreek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:26:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He doesn't have to say anything... (none / 0)

Like being against gay marriage?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:28:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is homophobic. (none / 0)

Bullshit.  Obama gave interviews to several major gay publications before the Philly Gay news article came out.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:20:52 PM EST
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Wow. WORM...What Obama REALLY Meant (2.00 / 1)

So he gave a couple of interviews.  Woo  Hoo

Our daughter is gay and  believe me she knows a ton more about Obama and his homophobia than you ever will.

The man, his "minister", his church and his associates are homophobic.

You are judged by the company your keep on a topic like this!


by CoyoteCreek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:28:42 PM EST
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Re: Wow. WORM...What Obama REALLY Meant (none / 0)

Trinity is probably one of the most tolerant of gay issues black churches in the country.  I'm just going to write you off as a troll and stop conversing with you.  You've already pledged that you and your husband are voting McCain in November anyways.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:31:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

WAIT! Rev. Wright wants to pray... (2.00 / 1)

that homosexuals change their ways...and they are the most tolerant?

Heaven help us!


by CoyoteCreek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:33:04 PM EST
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Re: Wow. WORM...What Obama REALLY Meant (none / 0)

http://www.washingtonblade.com/thelatest /thelatest.cfm?blog_id=17266

""Trinity has been among the strongest supporters of LGBT rights," Garcia said. "I have the highest regard and admiration for Rev. Wright."

Gay Chicago resident Ronald Wadley, a member of Trinity United Church of Christ, said Wright enthusiastically backed suggestions by gay church members to create a gay and lesbian singles ministry as part of the church's existing ministry to heterosexual singles."

----

As for Obama himself, please find me another candidate who chose to speak in a church about not scorning our gay brother or sisters.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/alexokrent/CGCWG

Did Hillary Clinton ever do that?


by Aris Katsaris on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:46:58 PM EST
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however he is a homophobe (2.00 / 1)

he has proven it over and over.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:36:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: however he is a homophobe (none / 0)

Maybe you can link to one example.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:40:14 PM EST
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Re: however he is a homophobe (none / 0)

She can't, she just sadly lashes out at anything she can about Obama.  Lot of hate built up there I would imagine.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:04:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is homophobic. (2.00 / 1)

Umm... let me see
1)Obama had an ultrahomophobic anti gay speaker to represent him sometime ago despite the objections from all the gay groups.

2)Obama refused to take a picture with SF Mayor because he doesn't want to seen as pro-gay.

3)Obama finally allowed a gay publication to interview him after months of pressure from the gay community.

So, what does this show about him? He's just a politician like all other politicians except that he has a strong immunity now despite pandering to both sides of the crowd. That's why politicians have to take sides. If they don't, we do not know what they stand for. I know what Sen. Clinton will do but i do not know what Sen. Obama stands for other than the 'change' and 'hope' message.


by stevent on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:40:50 PM EST
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Re: Obama is homophobic. (none / 0)

Fair enough.  Is it your conclusion that he's homophobic or just playing politics?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:51:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is homophobic. (none / 0)

Uh, you might want to listen to the stump speeches he gives.  He very openly talks about gay and lesbian Americans, even in places like Iowa, South Dakota and Missouri.  I challenge you to find anything similar in Hillary's stump speech.  


by zadura on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:28:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

lol, no he doesn't (1.50 / 2)

he once payed lip service.  But his actions, Donnie McBigot, not taking his pic with Newsome, making sure to make it very clear he was not gay....
bit honking homophobe.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:39:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: lol, no he doesn't (none / 0)

First off, Theresa, you are full of shit, which is fine.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 208/Selling_gay_rights.html

It is really easy to sell gay rights to Radar.  It is exceedingly difficult to sell it in Beaumont, TX.  Thankfully, one of the Democratic candidates hopes to do more than pander.


by zadura on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:49:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

3 BIG problems for BO (2.00 / 1)

1. Don't write off senior citizens....campaign perhaps wisely didn't invest time and strategy to win over seniors...they are so entrenched for HRC, campaign felt there just wasn't time to do this and still do what was needed to move our base and swing voters we had a real chance with.

I suggested doing a lot of intergenerational stuff that could reach young and old at the same time.  NO WAY.  HA!!!!!

2. Working class PA folks, esp those over 45 (THE OLDER GENERATION!!  A TWO-FER PROMBLEM!) don't TRUST (NO SHIT!) Obama...this is a problem and other than getting them to meet Obama retail style...don't know how we solve it, unless we can get him to do a quick tour of duty in Iraq..NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

9. Losing the Catholic and Jewish vote: Way to (TOO...SIC) cautious in outreach to Jewish community...did not put enough assets out on the table...not enough Jewish folks involved....self perpetuating problem...Think the same is true for Catholics.....A friend close to the campaign said she was surprised to see how few Catholics and Jews there were on the campaign...don't know how true this is...but most campaign's we've been on, Catholics and Jews seem to predomoinate....As a proud Wasp, I have been an oppressed minority in many a campaign...(PARTICULARLY THIS ONE!!)


by CoyoteCreek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:00:00 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

Can someone less lazy than me write a greasemonkey script that lets us enjoy mydd without Jerome's flamebait posts?


Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:19:15 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 1)

I dont know why Obama was reluctant to pay street money. Doesn't he pay Axelrod good money to serve his campaign? Why doesn't a person who is not as rich as Axelrod deserve some of that campaign money?


by Pravin on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:25:32 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

It's because he does want to owe the machine, like scores of Democratic politicians owed big city urban machines for many decades.  At least I think that's why he did it; it's the usual reason for reformers to not want to get enmeshed in the workings of political machines.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:34:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

I am for Obama. But let's face it. He is part of the machine to some extent at the national level.


by Pravin on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:21:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (none / 0)

That's not what it meant by a political machine when you are talking city politics.  There are ward bosses, etc., who get paid off in various ways and they give and get favors.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:53:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 1)

thanks for posting this, jerome. this person has better reality testing than all the obama bloggers on this website -and the other website - put together.

i was beginning to think blind obedience was common to all obama supporters, which really gave me an unsettling impression of the faith-over-evidence aspects of their belief system. i'm reassured that at least one obama supporter can tell when his ass is on fire.


by campskunk on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:29:40 PM EST

Re: The PA post-analysis by a Obama delegate (2.00 / 2)

Very interesting stuff.  This kind of highlights the fact that a primary is a learning process, where you see what works and what doesn't and hopefully emerge a stronger general election candidate at the end of the day.  The bas