Why can't Hillary Clinton close the deal?

Since the Pennsylvania primary finished up the night before last there has been a dizzying tornado of spin from pundits about Obama's continuing, "problem," of not being able to break into Hillary's constituency. The loudest of these cries came from Republican pundits, like Pat Buchanan or Joe Scarborough,  incessantly crowing that Obama losing Pennsylvania is somehow indicative of greater problems within his campaign and will surely doom, DOOM him in the fall. This same sentiment is echoed so frequently by the Clinton campaign and its surrogates one would assume it to be a HRC4Prez-approved talking point. Before I get to exactly what about this phrase nearly induces an aneurysm in my brain every time I hear it, I want to take a second to examine Pennsylvania and Hillary's win.

Before the primary, many had described Pennsylvania as the more democratic doppleganger of Ohio: Slightly larger in population, filled in the middle with a low income electorate with low-level education, and holding a closed primary, where she, by her campaign's own admission, does much better than in open primaries where Republicans and Independents can vote. Top it off with the fact that Hillary is a the hometown girl, growing up in backwater Scranton firing rifles with her granpappy, and the state seems tailor made for a Hillary win. Indeed, some of Hillary's largest favored demographics where more prevalent in the state than they were in Ohio: White women represented 46% up from 44%, Catholics represented 36% of the vote up from 23%, and voters over 50 representing a whopping 59% of the vote up from 46%. On top of it all, blacks represent a lower population in Pennsylvania than in Ohio, and they came in at 15% of the total vote down from 18%. Incomes and the other factors were distributed fairly similarly between the two states, with the exception of a good portion more (27% to 16%) post-graduates in PA than Ohio (counter to the conventional wisdom, though, this group swung about 11 points to Clinton while the High School and lower level went 6 points to Obama - I assume this has to do with Rendell's endorsement and the relative age of post-grads in the state being higher) while those who only has some college had a correspondingly smaller portion. However, in spite of all this demographic advantage, the institutional advantage of Rendell and most of the state's mayors, and the fact that PA has a slightly larger population (about 5% more people actually voted in PA over OH), Hillary came away from PA with a smaller popular vote margin than OH (14,704 less votes) and a full 1% less overall victory margin down to 9.4% from 10.4%.

Discount for a moment that this is the single tightest race where one candidate had a home-state advantage over another, with Obama averaging victory margins of 42% in Hawaii and Illinois while Hillary was averaging 30% in New York and Arkansas before doing less than a third that well here. Even ignoring the favorite son, or daughter as the case may be, bonus factor, to say Obama did not begin to eat away at Hillary's base is simply in defiance of the facts. Obama kept at 41% of the woman vote, while gaining 3% in the male vote to win the majority 51%. He lost 8 points among voters making $100-150k (perhaps they were concerned about their capital gains?), while keeping the margins for those making $30-100k essentially the same,  gaining 9 points among those making $15-30k (up to 45% from 36%), and gaining 4 points among those making less than $15k to take the majority (up to 53% from 49%). These last two demographics seem particularly interesting because those white-collar, bitter, gun-clingers all those in the elite pundit class said would be offended and were Hillary's strongest base of support seem to be bleeding away to Obama, if these polls are to be believed. This conclusion seems to jibe with the fact that Obama gained 4 points among White Men, going to 43% from 39%.

The biggest evidence of Obama's progress into Hillary's base of support shows most clearly in the age breakdowns. While the under 50 crowd kept margins more or less the same (Obama lost a bit among the 18-24 year olds which he made up for in the 30-39 crowd),  Obama gained 6 points among the 50-64 bracket (up to 43% from 37%), and 11 points among the 65+ crowd (up to 37% from 26%). Clearly Barack is making up ground, if only by inches. However, this progress was still attained in spite of Hillary's massive in-state advantages and 6 weeks of some of the roughest press coverage Barack has had to deal with to date. The question, therefore, is not so much one of why Barack Obama can't close the deal, but why Hillary Clinton cannot hold onto her steadily depleting coalition. I think this slow bleed is represented more clearly when viewed through the national prism that shows Obama's lead in polls breaking above the 50% mark while Hillary's is slowly dropping into the 30s.

Pundits have been harping that Obama has had multiple chances to, "close the deal," in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. They ignore, of course, Obama winning well publicized, contested battlegrounds where Hillary had a likely shot, like Wisconsin or Maine and others. Perhaps all the more aggravating, the choice of words somehow implies that Barack Obama had a limited time frame to shut Hillary Clinton down before the bomb goes off and he loses the nomination, even after being far ahead in every metric. As though, somehow, if she could just maintain the remotest, fantastical chance of winning this contest long enough it would slip out of Obama's hands. As though the nomination belonged to Hillary Clinton all along and Obama had a mere few months to completely blow her out of the water or she gets the prize anyway. The fact is, he is closing the deal, as he has been all along. Jumping backward all the way to February when that original Obama prediction spreadsheet was leaked, we can tell that his campaign understood from the beginning that this would be a marathon, not a sprint. Moreover, the phrasing ignores the fact that Hillary certainly has not, "closed the deal," either, in spite of having multiple chances to do so, including Iowa, Nevada, Super Tuesday, Wisconsin, Texas/Ohio, and even  PA. Certainly she won a few of those, but never by enough to make a difference. Never enough to change the game. The marginal Texas/Ohio gains were obliterated by Obama's huge win in Mississippi the next week. This PA, "tide changer," netted Hillary a whole 10 delegates, a number more than likely to be marginalized, if not totally erased, in less than two weeks. The overall problem I have with the argument, I suppose, is it tries to frame the narrative in such a way as to declare that Obama has feet of clay and Super Delegates should beware. Even if this faulty assertion were to be the case, it ignores the fact that there is a sincere lack of a viable and stable alternative.

References for this analysis are from:
Real Clear Politics
And CNN's exit polls from:
Ohio & Pennsylvania



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She has never had match point (2.00 / 1)

in this race.  Your diary makes no sense.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:36:28 AM EST

Re: She has never had match point (2.00 / 0)

Feb 5 could have been her match point easily. In fact, she had long assumed it would be.


by TheSilverMonkey on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:40:12 AM EST
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It Was Supposed to be Over by SuperTuesday (none / 0)

Hillary declared early on that on Super Tuesday it would all be over and she would be the Democratic Nominee!  It didn't happen.  She told Katie Couric there was No Way she could lose and just did not think about losing!  Barack was an unknown person up against a Political Couple, King & Queen of Spin & Distortion.  They even go so far as to stage audiences if their audience is not crowded and they have people bused in. They will do and have done anything, no matter how unethical or bruising to try to become the Democratic Nominee. I say they, for Hillary is Bill and Bill is Hillary and they are one.  She goes around saying Barack is not electable and in the end it may be her who will be deemed unelectable, chickens have a funny way of coming home to roost.  As Michael Moore so ably pointed out in his recent endorsement of Barack, Hillary Clinton derides Barack for his Pastor, Rev. Wright, yet who did they turn to when Bill was facing Impeachment due to the Monical Lewinsky scandal, who did they call -- yes, the very Rev. Wright himself, such hypocrisy!  


by bacalove on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:00:55 AM EST
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Obama won his 'match point' in WI (none / 0)

Since around then, he's having to fight off HRC's kitchen sink and also simultaneously McCain, RWNM (who want this race to be prolonged and would probably prefer to face HRC in the general given her and WJC's baggage). Except for OH (where he was cuaght off-guard, I think), he's done very well.

He'll likely end up with 100+ pledged delegate edge and likely a narrow edge in popular vote as well (he currently leads the PV by 600K w/o FL and MI and by 250K WITH FL and MI. See). If HRC doesn't accept defeat after Obama ends up ahead and continues to divide the party, only God (or Gore :)) can save the Dem. party, the country and the planet thereafter.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:40:58 AM EST
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Re: Why can't Hillary Clinton close the deal? (2.00 / 0)

Because she's not the best candidate.


by bigdcdem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:59:24 AM EST

Re: Why can't Hillary Clinton close the deal? (none / 0)

because idiots in DNC and in Obama campaign doing everything possible to prevent Florida and Michigan to be counted and because they pretending that caucuses are not a fraud, despite proves we have from TX and WA.


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:35:23 AM EST

Re: Why can't Hillary Clinton close the deal? (none / 0)

Thats two significant assertions in one sentence with no "proves" given.  Please provide links for the following assertions:

- "Obama campaign doing everything possible to prevent Florida and Michigan"
- "proves we have from TX and WA" (that caucuses are a fraud)

Throwing out stuff like this without citing any sources brings the conversation/debate/argument quickly into the toilet.


by sharpfork on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:29:10 AM EST
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do you homework first (none / 0)

your post proving that you not doing your homework, just read about differences in results in primaries and caucuses in TX and IN WA and you will see that results are vastly different and and caucuses basically overriding the WILL OF THE PEOPLE. Again do you homework instead of asking me to do it for you!


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:33:02 AM EST
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Why can't Hillary Clinton close the deal? (none / 0)

Because she ran an awful campaign, and because people want real change, not some warmed-over back to the future dynastic shtick paid for by the Washington lobbying establishment and supported by Democratic machines.

People are sick of things as they are. But that's her core message: "I won't change things, I'm just really good at dealing with stuff under the system you hate".


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:39:23 AM EST

Check out today's NYT (none / 0)

Vacuous rhetoric about "change" isn't going over well in Indiana.  While Clinton is hitting her stride talking about solutions, Obama is still trying to conjure up his visions of sugarplums.  That's not going to cut it anymore among people who work for a living.  Unfortunately, it's the rationale behind Obama's candidacy. It's not a good time to have to find a Plan B.


by Upstate Dem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:44:02 AM EST

Re: Check out today's NYT (none / 0)

I didn't realize that there are over 1 million Democrats in PA that don't have to "work for a living".

That's good to know.


by bawbie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:37:36 AM EST
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Re: Check out today's NYT (none / 0)

Today's NYT says Obama will do just as well in Big States, if not better, than Hillary. And I work for a living, pretty much all the Obama supporters I know do as well.
In fact, a good many of us in NC have to work for a living and we seem to be favoring him overall here. But hey, I digress.
by TheSilverMonkey on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:43:56 PM EST
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Not so sure (none / 0)

I understand your point and it is reasonable to a certain degree to expect good Democrats to defend each other from scurrilous GOPer attacks.

On the other hand, if Sen. Obama can't defend himself in a fight with a bunch of Neanderthals in North Carolina, why should his primary opponent do the heavy lifting for him?  It's somewhat of a measure of the effectiveness of his campaign.


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:49:49 AM EST

Re: Why can't Hillary Clinton close the deal? (none / 0)

obama's still blaming old people for his loss in PA. your bragging about how he's up in the 30s (from 27%) shows how terrible he does with this key demographic. people over 60 vote with much more regularity than young people.

obama can't close the deal because old people know he's untrustworthy.

Obama downplayed Clinton's win, saying "it's important for people to keep things in perspective."

"We have won the white-, blue-collar vote in a whole bunch of states ... and if we had a demographic problem in Pennsylvania, it was that it's an older state than a lot of states, and it is true that Sen. Clinton has some strong support among voters over 60," he said on Roland Martin's radio show.

link


by campskunk on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:17:42 AM EST

Re: Why can't Hillary Clinton close the deal? (none / 0)

First of all, the exits practically universally declare the the overwhelming opinion is Hillary is the untrustworthy one.

Hillary just connects well with older voters. I'm not "bragging" about anything. I'm stating facts. Obama cut deeply into her elderly margins in PA, which is why she won by a smaller margin in PA even though there were VASTLY more elderly in PA than OH. You want to argue with the numbers, feel free, but they are what they are.


by TheSilverMonkey on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:24:36 PM EST
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Re: Why can't Hillary Clinton close the deal? (none / 0)

Geez..Obama pointed out the obvious. The exit polls confirmed it.

It is pretty obvious, from their lack of condemnation of the full racist ad the Republicans are airing now in NC, that for most Clinton supporters here on MyDD it is only about their Candidate not our Party.


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:58:20 AM EST


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