Can Obama Ignore Clinton?

I'd be interested to hear some input.

I'm not saying that this is what Obama should do.  But if the contest now swings entirely on the super-d's and their individual judgement, what about the Obama campaign doing a complete 180 from the intra-party pie fight and concentrating all of his considerable firepower on the real enemy: McCain?

To clarify, by "ignore" I mean


  • stop talking about the Clinton campaign when on the stump;

  • when forced to acknowledge Clinton, stop framing Clinton as an opponent and start referring to her as a future ally;

  • a complete halt to responses to negative attacks made by Clinton and her surrogates;

  • refuse to agree to anymore debates;

  • use of general statements of Party unity and the like when asked about Clinton during media appearances, but politely and firmly asserting eventual primary victory.

When I first started thinking about this, I thought it'd be a mistake.  And it probably is a mistake.  Obama would be painted as arrogant yet again by the Clinton camp, and there would be hell to pay amongst the pundits for not playing the game.  But what the hell-- this is just a diary.  

So let me ask: if the point now is to craft the superior argument of electability in the absence of a knockout blow to the super delegates, wouldn't it make sense to start acting like the winner?  And nothing says "winner" better than a full-on, continuous, multi-phasic assault on Republican trogs.  America loves a winner.  If McCain is going to attack Obama and ignore Clinton, then why should Obama waste time, energy and money on her either?

And besides,  McCain has gotten a free ride for long enough.  So, how about starting the GE right now?  


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Yes or no-- Should Obama hit the "Ignore" button?
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Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

Can anyone?


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:38:19 AM EST

Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

I'd like to think so. The fact is, if they both ignored eachother and focused on McCain, Obama would whomp her up onside and down the other. Indeed, it would likely already have been the case.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:40:16 AM EST

Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

Yep.

McCain is weak.  So weak, that I don't think he really has a leg to stand on in the issues.  This is downplayed in the media because we are so focused on the primary war.

If we marginalize Clinton by ignoring the noise coming out of her camp, then we legitimize Obama as the nominee at the same time, all while pounding McCain into the effin' ground.  This is how the super d's get the message about electability.

What made me think it's a mistake is the fact that the media will not stand for a premature end to the pie fight, and paint Obama as the tin-eared elitist.


You haven't seen impatient until you've seen a monkey waiting for a donut.
by bjones on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:52:24 AM EST
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Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

He certainly should do part of your list. But he only has a confortable lead based on the premise that he keeps his eyes on the ball.

If he shifts focus now to much he could leave his flank open and his comfortable lead could shrink to a small one. A smallish primary victory would hurt him in the general more then starting the general campaign a month later.

There always be enough oppertunities to frame McCain properly. There is just one shot at a legitimizing primary victory. Better safe then sorry.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:25:34 AM EST
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Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

Obama would whomp her up onside and down the other.

Yeah, just like he did in PA, and in the Philly debate... but you are definitely entitled to your opinion.


Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"
by JHL on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 05:26:12 AM EST
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Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

He certainly should. Every time the Clintons goad him into anything negative (like the Annie Oakley joke) it plays against his strongest asset -- positivism and change of the political system.

Such stuff doesn't hurt Hillary because her negatives are already stratospheric. People expect it of her.

But the bottom line is, she can't smear him enough to overcome his inevitable march to the nomination. But if he lets her dictate a low level of dialogue, it can hurt him against McBush and give Hillary her only possible chance to get close enough to con the supers into overturning the primaries.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:59:05 AM EST

I wish so (none / 0)

I would love to see them both turn their attention to McCain, or failing that, at least see Obama stop wasting resources on Clinton and her never ending primary.

I think Obama could probably could still win even if he never acknowledged her campaign again. All the punditry is irrelevant, she can only win the primary  by stealing it away from the majority of states, delegates, and popular votes with a coup-de-grace.  It won't happen

But the danger would be the legitimately insulting message it would send to Clinton supporters. For reasons I will never understand, and don't need to, people still support her and would flip out if people simply started acknowledging her candidacy was dead and ignored her.

So let her ride it our as long she wants.  Obama can still just keep taking the high road.  And in the mean time, he can start working on McCain at the same time as he has been.  It is the only approach he can take.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 03:01:47 AM EST

Re: 1% lead & Ignore ? (2.00 / 1)

How can he ignore an opponent who is literally within 1% of him in delegate & popular count.

How can he ignore an opponent who just beat him in 4 of the last 6 states.

How can he ignore an opponent who will very  likely beat him 4 or 5 more times before this ends?

Clinton is not Huckabee in this race.

And Obama is not McCain in this race.

Big Difference!

McCain had a whopping 7 times more delegates than Huckabee !
McCain lead Huckabee in the popular vote by a landslide margin !

You wanna try ?

Clinton keeps hitting Obama from now until June. And Obama ignores her?

Sure, watch how his numbers plunge.


by libdemusa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 03:21:48 AM EST

Re: 1% lead & Ignore ? (none / 0)

By the way, How can you ignore an opponent who is no doubt succeeding in getting more & more people to DOUBT YOU & your candidacy.

Try leaving Clinton to question & attack him until June unopposed. And see how is poll numbers crash.


by libdemusa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 03:26:04 AM EST
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Re: 1% lead & Ignore ? (none / 0)

Uh, your math is 100% inaccurate. Show me any delegate projection that has her within one percent. I will use CBS numbers as one example. You can use any you want.  They have her with 130 delegates down out of 3300.  Add it up. That's more than a 3% lead.  And I am willing to bet you will throw out the ridiculously cooked popular vote numbers Clinton was throwing around today.  They are wrong, and they don't decide primaries.

And literally the only way she can win is by stealing the election in a coup-de-grace by convincing enough party super delegates to usurp the delegate count.  They will not alienate that many voters.

It simply is never going to happen.  You don't have to agree with me.  It is just a fact.

That's why many of us are quite happy to let her run and have never made the claim that she should quit. It is her right to go to the convention and try to win.  No one can take that away from her.


Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~Thomas A. Edison
by mattjfogarty on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 03:47:42 AM EST
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Re: 1% lead & Ignore ? (none / 0)

No, you don't understand.  This is MyDD, where logic flows backwards (see JA on the front page):  Clinton is the better nominee, therefore more people like her.  More people like her, therefore numbers that show her ahead are correct.  The Cooked Popular Vote (CPV) is one of the last such numbers, therefore the CPV is the only true measure of the electorate's will.


by username2 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 06:59:50 AM EST
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Re: 1% lead & Ignore ? (none / 0)

Beat him in 4 of the last 6? Is this some new Clinton math that you are using? Which of the prior contests count in the 6? If you are going back to March 4th Barack has won 4 of 8 if you count the Texas Primary and Texas Caucus separately. 4 of the last 7 if you count them together.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:56:45 AM EST
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Re: 1% lead & Ignore ? (none / 0)

The new Clinton math: Caucuses just flat out don't fucking count.

MI and FL do however.


by Skaje on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:33:45 AM EST
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He ought to embrace Clinton (none / 0)

  I don't mean to say he should annouce plans to have her as VP or anything, but he does need to acknowledge that Sen. Clinton has a core of loyal supporters with legitimate concerns, and yes, doubts about him as a candidate. Negativity and political scrapping is one thing, but when it comes down to the wire, we're all fighting for the same thing. If I were advising Sen. Obama, I'd say drop any and all negative references to Sen. Clinton. Point out policy differences , differences in "philosophy of implementation", yes, but concentrate all of your energy on exposing Sen. McCain for the Bush apologist/enabler that he is. Sen. Clinton has some good ideas, she's hell on wheels when it comes to a political knife-fight, not to mention the very significant voter support she has. It's time to stop chewing on each other, and start swinging on the real Bad Guys. Us Dems cannot pull this off we don't come together.

Obama for Pres/Hillary for Senate Majority Leader!!!

Dems in 08!!!


by Kordo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 03:31:46 AM EST

Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

He's tried several times but the Clintons keep lobbing hand grenades at him. He's in a tough spot though because he has all of the Republicans and half the Democrats gunning for him. His two options are to focus on McCain as much as possible or drop the intra party rivalry niceties that he's trying to follow and the Clintons are ignoring and go just as nuclear as they are. Hopefully he sticks with the more positive track.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:06:18 AM EST

Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

Great idea. Said strategy would further infuriate the HRC support base, leading to even more defections, while increasing her fund raising, and would lead to a drop in polls as he began GE style campaigning and stopped competing in primary states  and stopped attacking Hillary. It would further emphasize his chasm of disconnection to Clinton's support base, and his disrespect toward Hillary with this move would virtually guarantee a large amount of defectors to the McCain column if he still wins, superdelegates would see this and then award the nomination to Hillary based on electability.

So go for it!


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:07:48 AM EST

Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (2.00 / 1)

Obama can't even unite the Democratic Party how can he unite the country? His premise is so flawed its ridiculous. He thinks entrenched power will give into him once he's in the White House, Edwards was right you have to TAKE the power from them. I do think Obama will likely win this election but he will be more like Jimmy Carter in terms of accomplishments and the GOP will have rid itself of the Bush stain by 2012 with General Petreus as their nominee


by rossinatl on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:28:50 AM EST

Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

If the GOP is ignoring her, I don't see why he can't, at least in terms of decorum.  Whether or not he should is a different question.

I dunno.  Ask the professionals.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:48:12 AM EST

Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

Clinton feels compelled to keep launching attacks on him, so he has to respond.  Just a few more weeks of this...


by Skaje on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:34:27 AM EST

I think he will now that PA is behind us (none / 0)

I think it would've been risky to do that while in PA, only b/c it may have come across as though he was writing the state off.

But I absolutely think he needs to do this. We need to start pointing out right now all of McCain's weaknesses.


by highgrade on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:47:21 AM EST

Re: Can Obama Ignore Clinton? (none / 0)

I like the premise of this diary. I have had similar thoughts myself, mostly because I am so sick of the Dem on Dem warfare. If he tried this Clinton would claim that he was wishywashy, didn't like a fight etc. Maybe that would hurt him, but maybe it would make him look more like the candidate that took the political world by storm last fall and into Feb. I would love to see him going after McCain, raising the Dem banner high and letting Hillary do her nasty thing without a bounce card to amplify her.


by wasder on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:42:34 AM EST


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