Obama should drop out

Every week or so, Obama supporters try to spin their paper-tiger candidate's inability to close the deal with big states as irrelevant and surmountable.

The events of past 6 weeks have exposed Obama as a political lightweight without a clear strategy to accept the gift of presidency that is waiting for Democrats in November. If his single-issue platform isn't cause for concern then consider his troubling ties to known terrorists (Ayers), bigots (J. Wright), and charlatans (Al Sharpton).

Obama is marching the Democratic Party off the cliff and the so-called "young, first-time voters" (who are the most unreliable voting bloc) have buttressed this campaign from the outside, with no clear commitment to the Democratic Party. They just "like the guy."

The writing is on the wall - Obama is untested, unprepared, and unwilling to concede a single loss despite being clobbered in CA, NY, PA, TX, OH, FL, and MA. There's a certain degree of delusion and arrogance that has enveloped his campaign. They live in a bubble and ignore things which are bigger than any single candidate - Democratic party cannot afford to lose another 4-8 years.

For me, Democratic party is bigger than Clinton, bigger than Obama, and bigger than any single candidate. Building a movement around a rookie candidate because he's good at dodging hard questions and reading prepared speeches is a surefire way to latch on to a train that will derail itself down the line. I've learned this lesson after CT primary and Lamont's defeat - America doesn't have much taste for rapid change by those who promise too much. And Lamont lost despite having a clean record with no game-changing scandals.

For those of us who haven't drunk the koolaid we still have time to stop this disaster of a candidate by calling on his campaign and supers to accept the fact that it's a lost cause.

He's too damaged, he can't close the deal despite outspending Hillary 4-to-1.


Poll
Should Obama drop out for the sake of Democratic Party?
Obama should drop out now
Obama should drop out after the primaries
Other (explain)

Votes: 51
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: Obama should drop out (none / 0)

Doesn't he have to turn on and tune in first?  Oh, sorry, he's already done that.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:12:00 PM EST

If he sucks so bad why does (2.00 / 2)

he have an insurmountable lead over the highest profile Dem in the nation who has been campaigning with a very popular former president?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:13:44 PM EST

Re: If he sucks so bad why does (1.80 / 5)

In short - playing on people's emotions with useless rhetoric like hope and change, which don't mean anything concrete.

He is more likable as a person than Hillary for those who are tuned out of the process, I'll concede that point. However, when it comes to issues and policy he cannot hold a candle to either Hillary or McCain and the last debate proved it. He was like a deer caught in the headlights. I don't want to see a repeat of that few months down the line.

People tend to lose perspective and imagine that America will vote similarly to Democratic Primaries come November. This is a privilege reserved for blind partisans who refuse to leave their bubble and confront the cold reality - American voters (LVs) are more conservative than liberal. Last 2 elections were a testament to that.


by axian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:22:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If he sucks so bad why does (2.00 / 3)

So people who vote for him are stupid? That's your argument?

Issues? Flag pins and 60's terrorists and right-wing economics are issues? Nah.

So Clinton is more conservative? Interesting.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:26:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If he sucks so bad why does (none / 0)

It's my argument, and a very good one.


by demswin06 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:36:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If he sucks so bad why does (2.00 / 3)

The last debate proved NOTHING about issues or policy.  It proved how stupid the media can be.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:40:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I see you accidently put FL&NY in there. (none / 0)

You should take those out. NY was Clinton's home state. She won that by a smaller margin than Obama did in his home state. Are you  implying that she can't win Illinois?

Do you think FL was a fair contest or something? Clearly you don't. So you should take that out too. You can keep the rest. Obama still won more states, more votes, more delegates and has more money.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:16:12 PM EST

stop being sillary (2.00 / 2)

enough with the kool-aid bullshit


by citizendave on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:17:34 PM EST

Should he drop out? YUP!!!! (2.00 / 2)


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:19:15 PM EST

OMG - Martin on CNN just said HRC's (none / 0)

supporters are uneducated and poor.


by CoyoteCreek on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:19:54 PM EST

Re: OMG - Martin on CNN just said HRC's (none / 0)

I heard what he said...you know that is EXACTLY what is so frustrating about you people who take every word someone says, put it in YOUR own context and spin.  Maybe he should have qualified his words a bit more clearly - but he was simply listing the demographic groups each candidate appeals to and showing how neither one has grabbed the other's main group - he said Hillary appeals and gets the votes of the blue collar, uneducated....blah blah.  He should have said 'less educated' or non college educated, I don't know.  But he did NOT mean it as you said it at all and you know it.  This is just how all the garbage gets thrown out there all the time....these tv commentators are a big fat pain sometimes and you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.  but please don't add to the stuff that's out there - don't report on half-saids.


by mariannie on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:08:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I understand, but hey, WORDS MATTER (none / 0)

...don't they?


by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:03:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

btw (none / 0)

obama leads mccain in ny while hillary trails...according to npr.


by citizendave on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:22:12 PM EST

Wow (1.66 / 3)

Speaking of off the cliff, you think Hillary would win by garnering more super delegates in a GE?
You think african-americans would be okay with that and come out and support Clinton?
You have another think coming my friend.
HRC has already lost with nothing but the margin to be determined.
At this point even if she fanangles the nomination she will lose the general.
Unfortanatly I am increasingly of the opinion without Clinton as VP Obama may be doomed too.
Leave it to us dems to steal defeat from the jaws of victory.
Oh and BTW you can go fuck yourself with the "ties to known terrorists" bullshit.

Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:23:55 PM EST

Re: Wow (2.00 / 1)

You mean the "terrorists" that Bubba pardoned???


by venician on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:00:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't know (2.00 / 1)

what it feals like to advance BS right wing talking points against a democratic candidate, could you fill me in?


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:12:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't know (none / 0)

What are you talking about and who said anything about Clinton and the Lincoln bedroom?
And who is getting crushed, far as I can tell we're beating up on each other and McSame is getting a free pass.

Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:29:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wow (none / 0)

 Seriously, you honestly think hillary can win without the AA vote?  How, seriously I want a rational plan on how Hillary could beat McCain without the African American vote, epsecially since she'll lose the white vote as well (not even Bill won the White Vote, I don't think a Dem has since possibly Carter in 1976, maybe since LBJ in 1964).


by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:14:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wow (none / 0)

Loss of 5 percent?
Well that still spells doom in PA, OH, and Fl, states HRC is banking on.

Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:31:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You think BO can win with women? (none / 0)

That is going to be a BIG NO.


by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:05:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I mean, WITHOUT women? (none / 0)


by CoyoteCreek on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:05:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I was hoping we could (2.00 / 2)

do without another one of these diaries this time.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:24:41 PM EST

We are seeing the worst of the... (2.00 / 1)

...Obama spin this evening...and it will continue for many days, too.

This is sad.


by bobswern on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:24:41 PM EST

Re: We are seeing the worst of the... (none / 0)

Said in a diary that contains some of the most amazing Clinton spin possible.

Oh, the irony...


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:21:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's embarrasing. (1.57 / 7)

The putative front runner for the Democratic nomination seems, well, frankly, damn near incapable of winning primaries in Democrat states.  

Isn't is time to pull out of the race, Barry?


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:25:37 PM EST

Re: It's embarrasing. (none / 0)

Is it your belief that Clinton would lose Illinois to McCain in the GE?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:27:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Clearly, (2.00 / 3)

she would not.  She has a very good record at winning large Democratic states (unlike her unfortunate opponent.)


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:33:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clearly, (2.00 / 5)

But she lost by a huge margin in Illinois. So if losing a Dem state in a primary means you can't win a Dem state in the GE then she'd lose Illinois in the GE. Otherwise losing a Dem state in the GE is not indicative of losing a Dem state in the GE.

Do you think Obama would lose CA in the GE?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:37:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clearly, (none / 0)

I am not sure that Obama would win California, but I am sure Hillary would.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 06:49:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Barry (none / 0)

think of your future.  There's still time to save you the humiliation that is coming at you like a tsunami.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:32:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's embarrasing. (none / 0)

So the idea here is to select as nominee the candidate who can only win states the Democrats pretty much always win, and not the candidate who'll carry those states and a bunch of states the Democrats don't always win?

Makes perfect sense to me. Let's go from some chance at winning the GE to a candidate tailormade to do just as well as Kerry and more poorly than Gore, and in the process overthrow democracy and alienate the majority of voters who've voted for a Democratic candidate thus far.

Great idea. Just great.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:23:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's embarrasing. (none / 0)

Even Jerome's electoral state counter suggests Hillary has a better position than Obama has.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 06:50:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama should drop out (none / 0)

After NC and Indiana, do you prefer the nickname Hillabee or Huckary?


by chewie5656 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:30:46 PM EST

Re: Obama should drop out (2.00 / 1)

She should be able to "close the deal" then in NC and IN


by labor nrrd on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:34:27 PM EST

Maybe we can get them both to drop out. (2.00 / 2)

By the time they get done pounding the crap out of one another, neither one of them will be worth a damn.

Don't forget... John Edwards just "suspended" his campaign.


by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:34:35 PM EST

Re: Maybe we can get them both to drop out. (2.00 / 1)

The suspense is killing us.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:37:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama should drop out (2.00 / 2)

Heh. Calling on the guy who leads in the delegate count to drop out...

Y'know, I'm perfectly fine with spin from Clinton supporters to say what Pennsylvania means. That's part of the process, after all. But her win does not in any way, shape or form mean that Obama should drop out. And stating that simple fact is not "the worst of the Obama spin."


by Jaffee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:44:10 PM EST

Re: Obama should drop out (none / 0)

Well, if she can't win in NC I think it pretty clearly shows that she can't garner the votes of the most loyal base of the Democratic Party, how does she stand a chase in the fall? Seriously, I don't see how a person who can't even get 20% of the African-American vote going to win on the Democratic ticket, I mean I thought we were past the days of George Wallace.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:46:08 PM EST

You don't drop out (2.00 / 1)

when you're ahead. You drop out hen you're losing - like Hillary is losing.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:58:58 PM EST

Let the primaries continue (none / 0)

More voters still want to participate.  Let's not be the party of voter disenfranchisement although we're close to being that if we don't count FL and MI.  We only get this every 4 years---voter participation is wayyyy up more than ever.  Let's not cheat the remaining primary voting states.


truthseeker2
by truthseeker2 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:59:36 PM EST

Re: Obama should drop out (2.00 / 1)

All tonight means is that we go to June.
That is fine...both candidates continue to fire up the State parties...Then in June it is over.

see how it goes in 2 weeks
http://www.pollster.com/08-NC-Dem-Pres-P rimary.php


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:59:38 PM EST

Re: Obama should drop out (none / 0)

"yes, he IS tied to terrorists."
Pick a fool any Clinton fool..put'm back in the deck ..now shuffle the deck

"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:02:10 AM EST

Hah (2.00 / 2)

You know, I was calling an 8% win for Clinton in the last week or so.  10% is almost the same.  I was hoping for 6%, but 10% ain't that bad.  It's still way better for Obama than the 26% lead she had when he showed up in the state six weeks ago.

The delegate count is even closer.  Obama is good at playing the margin game and hit the districts that have the most delegates.

Clinton winning in a state that is, by all professional estimates, "tailor made" for her candidacy and in which she has the support of the governor, most influential mayors, and entire machine in a Democratic machine state was to be expected.

No matter how you might demean Obama by calling him "Barry" or by suggesting that one loss means that he's somehow washed up, you can't get past the fact that all political analysts agree that there's no way, after such a close race in PA, that Clinton can possibly catch up to Obama in the pledged delegate count, nor can you change the fact that the superdelegates are leary of overturning the pledged delegate count.

McAluffe is dreaming if he thinks that the mass of superdelegates will even faintly imagine that somehow the popular vote will matter in any way when a third of the primary challenges were caucuses.  That sort of hoodwink might work on the general public (it might've worked on me had I not read up on the primary process), but these are politicans and party insiders.  They know how it works... and Clinton knows this, too.

If Clinton really is the comeback kid and if Obama really is stumbling, she'll win both states in two weeks... hell, I'll give her credit if she just takes Indiana by 10%.

All Clinton earned tonight was an excuse to stay in the race and fundraise maybe half of what she needs to pay off her outstanding bills.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:04:26 AM EST

Yup (none / 0)

Clinton won just enough to stay in the race, same as she has since super tuesday.
We can't dismiss her strengths though.
I'm afraid it must be an Obama/Clinton ticket if we are to come together and defeat McCain, all other scenarios look bad.

Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:15:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup (none / 0)

I could be persuaded to back Edwards again. He was my first choice, and he has as much legitimacy as Hillary Clinton.


by Mostly on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:24:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Legitamacy as what? (none / 0)

A vp candidat, that's arguable.
Anything else is laughable.

Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:26:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Legitamacy as what? (none / 0)

Well, apparently elected delegates and popular vote no longer matter, since we know Obama will be ahead in both and the race still goes on.

I'm just seeing how deep this rabbit hole goes.


by Mostly on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:29:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I can't even imagine... (2.00 / 2)

...the horror that an Obama/Clinton ticket would unleash upon the world.

Okay, I'm exaggerating, but if we think that the Republican attacks on Obama are going to be bad, they've been just waiting to run against Clinton for seven years.

Nevermind the fact that her being on the ticket speaks directly against Obama's message.

Don't scare me like that.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:48:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I can't even imagine... (none / 0)

Hey now, don't forget what she brings to the table. I know it's hard to think about.
Women voters, blue collar dems.
HRC isn't my first pick for a vp, but she is not a bad one, don't kid yourself.
Part of the party has not commited to Obama, name me one person as vp that will bring them in.
Hills campaigns in PA, OH, and Fl..
Barack campaigns in CO, Mizzou and such.
It's not the worst idear.

Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:59:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't get me wrong. (2.00 / 1)

I know she's a powerful campaigner, but she can campaign strongly without being on the ticket, without mobilizing the conservative hate machine that has had it in for her (unfairly) for decades now.  It's not that she doesn't bring a lot to the table, it's that she also brings a lot of baggage and, in fact, I think that she would be a distraction in the White House as vice president... The Clintons, love them or hate them, you have to agree that they will forever have their own agenda.

I'm also biased because my VP pick is Gore; I can't think of any Democratic base demographic that Clinton brings and Gore doesn't.  Of course, getting him to do it would be the trick, but there's nobody more qualified, and nobody else I'd rather see get the big desk if something were to happen to Obama (which seems depressingly like a comparatively high probability)


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:07:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't get me wrong. (none / 0)

Women and blue collar dems, and Gore would never sign on for VP again.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:27:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not positive about that. (none / 0)

Gore might be interested if he wasn't going to play third fiddle in the White House.  He'd make an incredible environmental policy attack dog, and would make a fantastic Senate liason.

I'm not saying that it's likely, just that I think that he could be persuaded.  It's far more likely than a Clinton VP, though.  Obama would never go for that, it's 100% against his message.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:16:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama should drop out (none / 0)

This diary reminds me of the old "BSD is Dying" troll posts on slashdot.


by Huck on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:10:27 AM EST

Re: Obama should drop out (none / 0)

I read the title and was sure this was a snark diary.


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:21:51 AM EST

HAHAHAHHA...Hold On... (none / 0)

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA...No seriously this is a joke right???


by optimusprime on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:28:22 AM EST

Re: Obama should drop out (none / 0)

Obama will drop out once Clinton is leading him by 150 delegates with almost no way to make that up. deal?

Seriously, tell me. Where is Clinton going to pick up the delegates. In her big state wins, she can't net more that 10-15 delegates.


by BlueGAinDC on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:34:29 AM EST

Leave Sharpton, Wright, Jesse ALONE!!! (none / 0)

As an African American, I would really appreciate if the Anti Black wing of the democratic party would stop trying to use Wright, Jesse Jackson, Farrakan, Al Sharpton against OBAMA. In fact these people have been closely associated with the democratic party and have been for decades.

Your insulting the African American base which is the most reliable voting block in the democratic party. Everytime you try to use guilt by association with BLACK LEADERS you piss off black voters know the white code for "I support blacks but not blacks acting black".

I am not personally offended because I am happy its out in the open. I am happy Black America can see how many democrats resent the Black Leadership that has encouraged us for decades to vote democrat. The same black leadership that helped put Bill Clinton in Office. Now blackness is a polictial Liability you can just get thrown under the bus.

Dont act to black around Hillary she will say you hate white people and reject and denounce you!


by edtastic on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:47:47 AM EST

Re: Obama should drop out (none / 0)

Um, what's Obama's link to Sharpton, is it that there both Black? Or what?!


by Socraticsilence on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 03:07:31 AM EST


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