What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about?

On April 21, 2008, Bill Clinton gave an interview with WHYY reporter Susan Phillips and I can't believe after the Bosnia Sniper lie they would be bold enough to lie again.

Here is the interview.

The reporter starts off by asking Bill about his south carolina remarks and if he thought it was in retrospect a mistake.

Umm also one more question. I heard a story on morning edition today that talked about how philidephia's black political leaders came out early in support of senator clinton but several have have switched and one was quoted as saying the turning point for her was during the south carolina primaries when you referenced jesse jackson and what she interepreted as margalizing obama as the black candidate I mean do you think that was a mistake and would you do that again?

Bill Clinton then gives the most bizarre and false recap of the south corolina remark.

No, I think they played the race card on me.  And, we now know, from memos from the campaign and everything that they planned to do it all along.  Jesse jack....I said, if you go back to what I said, first of all, there was a conversation that I engaged in, that included two african american members of congress, who were standing right there who were having a conversation with me and I said that Jesse Jackson had won a good campaign with overwhelming African American Support..and..white supporters..and this was started off because people didn't wanna...they wanted to act like, for reasons I didn't understand, that senator Obama didn't have this african american support or they thought his white support was better because Jesse Jackson had blue collar working people and most of senator Obamas support were uhh..upscale cultural liberals.  It was like beneath them to be compared to Jesse Jackson.
 

As you can see in below video, Bill was asked by a question by a reporter and wasn't having a conversation with two black congressman, which was "What does it say about Barack Obama, that it takes two of you to beat him?"

Bill Clinton is trying to define Obama as the black race candidate and the elitist.

The whole point of the working class workers and the Obama upscale cultural liberal voter who see the working class workers beneath them is a lie and is trying to define Obama as elistest.

This is crazy.  Didn't they learn from the Bosina Sniper scandel?

If Hillary can't control Bill Clinton in the primary against Obama, who isn't going as hard as he can against her (He could have attacked her hard about the Sniper story during the ABC debate and he didnt), how the hell is she going to do it against the well-oiled Republican machine?



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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 3)

the video is the strawman argument.  You have to read the full transcript to understand the conversation.


by colebiancardi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:58:42 AM EST

Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 1)

Read?

That is soooooo pre-Fahrenheit 451.


by johnnygunn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:04:42 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 2)

yeah, I figured that might be too much to ask.


by colebiancardi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:05:09 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 1)

They figure they are trying to get the "low information voter" as they call Hillary supporters.

They are betting we can't read or do math or know geography...


by DTaylor on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:35:42 PM EST
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Re: What the hell (2.00 / 1)

The term "low information voter" has been used a lot longer than this primary. It's a type of voter that doesn't pay a lot of attention to news and stuff. They would tend to vote for the person who is the most famous since they at least know about them. That would be Hillary this time. It isn't an insult, it's just a statement of what is happening and it makes sense. It doesn't mean she doesn't also have other types of voters.


by Becky G on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:58:37 PM EST
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What is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 2)

Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has prepared a detailed memo listing various instances in which it perceived Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary. [See the full memo here.]

The memo, which was obtained by the Huffington Post and has been made public elsewhere, is believed to have been given to an activist and contains mostly excerpts from different media reports. It lists the contact info and name of Obama's South Carolina press secretary, Amaya Smith, and is broken down into five incidents in which either Clinton, her husband Bill, or campaign surrogates made comments that could be interpreted as racially insensitive.

The document provides an indication that, in private, the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage. In public, the Obama campaign has denied that they are trying to propagate such a perception, noting that the document never was sent to the press.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12 /obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html


by LatinoVoter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:11:17 PM EST

Re: What is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 2)

you know Obama supporters must have a short memory - Nevada debate anyone?

Tim Russert got Obama on his campaign's race card meme.  


by colebiancardi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:13:02 PM EST
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Re: What is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 3)

So the Memo, that was never given to the press, detailing true events that occured bothers you? But Bill lying about what he said about Jesse Jackson and the circumstances around that bizarre rant.  There were no black congressman around and he never said anything about white supporters..that doesnt bother you?


by afr114 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:22:16 PM EST
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I can't blame (none / 0)

Clinton supporters for following Bill Clinton's lead.

If Bill Clinton claims that Obama played the race card and claims that there's a memo that PROVES that Obama intended to play the race card ahead of time then there's no way I can stand here and say that Clinton supporters can't quote an ex-President for saying that.

Of course, it's a lie. It's not true. It's divisive and destructive and, also, out and out false. Obama did not "play the race card" in that memo by that staffer or at any other time. I demonstrated that here months ago.

Now, if you want to rally behind Bill Clinton's lies, I can't blame you. That's politics. He's an ex-president.

But Bill Clinton is lying about South Carolina and Barack Obama and it will only hurt Clinton.

The "race card lie" is a guaranteed LOSER argument with Super Delegates. It is absolutely guaranteed to hurt Clinton with Super Delegates and the more Clinton supporters rally behind that lie, the more that hurts Clinton with Super Delegates.


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by kid oakland on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 04:18:30 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

I think we can all agree that this and a couple of other threads on this page today is really just a response to BO supporters knowing that BO is going to get clocked today.  My guess is 14% or more.

This is why we are seeing the: (1) HRC is dangerous about Iran; (2) the clinton's are racist threads; and (3) Bosnia or better put HRC is a liar.  We will be seeing this all day and it will get worse on Wed and Thursday as BO supporters move back to the smear HRC at all costs narrative.  

Then it will be dkos and Marko's (who has been a democrat for what 5 years) telling us that HRC and her supporters are not REAL democrats and that HRC must quit. Then the "fake outrage" thread followed by this is the last straw and i am not suppporting HRC anymore.  Then the "we will go after HRC when she runs for senate and get her kicked out of our party".

Just saying this is what happened the wed after super Tuesday and we all know this will happen on wed and thursday as well and we are just startng to see it.

david

 


by giusd on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:24:00 PM EST

Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 2)

Your not bothered by the fact that Bill is lying about the circumstances behind his South Carolina rant?


by afr114 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:25:59 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

I dont want you too take this the wrong way but you argument is so long i just stopped reading that part.  Parsing someones words to make the meaing something you want and then attacking it just doesnt interest me much.

But i did get to see this a lot in the 90's on FOX news and i guess i just dont care for nonsense like this anymore.  

david


by giusd on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:30:24 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

Is this MyDD or your ADD?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:05:47 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

Whose parsing? Listen to the interview and then look at the actual event that is on YOUTUBE. It's bizarre.


by afr114 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:53:26 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

BC didn't do a "rant" in SC.  Even JJ stated there was nothing wrong with BC's statement.

If you look at SC and the AA vote, which was being asked about, only Jesse Jackson got those percentages.

I am sorry that people aren't more into history and learning these types of things.  To call BC or HRC racist of ALL THINGS, my god.  

Like BC stated, I don't need to take that shit from anyone.


by colebiancardi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:32:54 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

Did you even watch both of the videos or read what I wrote?


by afr114 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:54:14 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 1)

Right - we tricked Bill Clinton into saying it.





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by Mostly on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:26:24 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 1)

So, I'm not an Obama supporter, but this is something that I feel needs to be said so that we can, as fellow Democrats, be able to have full discourse on this subject.  I say this not merely as a proponent of a candidate, but as a lifelong Democrat who grew up in Detroit, who believes in the Civil Rights Movement and greatly resents all levels of institutionalized discrimination in this country:

White people need to be able to participate in this "open conversation about race" if we are going to get anywhere.  The way that the Obama campaign has vilified two otherwise championed Democrats such as Geraldine Ferraro and Bill Clinton is, to me, deeply disturbing.  Ferraro, the first female Vice Presidential candidate in the history of our country and herself an embodiment of equal rights, was taken egregiously out of context for the sake of political gain.  Personally, I am not about to believe for a second that anyone who has worked as a Democrat and for Democratic causes is a racist.  Words are said and they tend to fly around a lot, but what will ALWAYS mean more to me are the actions an individual takes.  Geraldine Ferraro is no racist.  Did she say some moderately unfortunate and clearly regrettable things?  Yes.  Yet, the way that David Axelrod himself perpetuated the entire controversy by responding to Ferraro with such fire is nothing short of the Obama campaign "playing the race card," one directive in a broader effort to put a wedge between African-Americans and the Clinton campaign.

The same can absolutely be said of Bill Clinton.  His remarks, though similarly moderately unfortunate and clearly regrettable, were simply not the kind of comments that the Obama campaign and thus, the MSM, have treated it as.  Again, actions speak louder than words to me.  If Bill Clinton can do enough for African-Americans in the 90s to be dubbed a black President, then the words that he say today could not possibly qualify him as a racist.  A few sentences do not a lifetime make; this represents a dangerous effort by the Obama campaign to extrapolate small bits and put them in the hands of small people who make mountains out of molehills against great Democrats who have, HISTORICALLY, been representatives of African-American interests.

Now, here's the thing that everyone knows about "White America": we don't get "Black America" for the most part, and yes, it's largely our fault.  We say stupid things because we can never, individually, fully know what it is to be African-American.  If it's politically expedient for a campaign that African-Americans hear white Democrats in the Clinton camp sounding racist, you can bet it'll happen.  Yet I don't see how you can rightly call Democrats who have championed black causes for years racists.

The fact that the Obama campaign has done this disturbs me.  If we're going to have a new kind of conversation on race, how are we really supposed to be able to speak, if we live in fear of retribution for "saying the wrong thing"?  That hay is even made of this suggests to me that this isn't a new conversation, but a new spin on plain, old-school race division.  Barack Obama and David Axelrod do not, to me, seem the right people to moderate or lead this conversation, and this is very troublesome to me.


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by hornplayer on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:25:08 PM EST

Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 2)

I'm sorry, but Geraldine Ferraro vilified herself; she went out of her way to provoke the Obama campaign, and their only reply was to call her remarks "divisive".

She then proceeded to FREAK. OUT.

"They're calling me a racist!!!!  Everyone who criticized them on anything gets called a racist." on every Sunday show.  No they weren't and no they hadn't.  And it's stuff like that that makes the open dialogue that you're so rightly calling for above impossible.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:29:12 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (2.00 / 1)

Ferraro stated nothing more than Obama stated himself.

look it up.


by colebiancardi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:33:51 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

I'm sorry but you're going to have to be more specific.

Anyway I wasn't as bothered by her original statements (and she said it three times) so much as I was by her reaction to even the most tepid criticism.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:41:20 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

Obama stated in an article that his race helped him  in being  asked to be the keynote speaker in 2004  


by colebiancardi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:44:31 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

I'd like a link to that article. I've heard several Clinton supporters make this claim, and I'm not denying it's truth, but I have yet to be able to find it.

But here's the thing. One of major strategies of the Clinton campaign has been to frame it as she is prepared and Obama isn't. Sometimes it's more pro-Clinton, as in "35 years of experience." Sometimes it's more anti-Obama, as in not passing the CiC threshold. Sometimes it combines the two, as in the 3 a.m. ad.

To make that argument work, Clinton and her surrogates have done a lot to denigrate Obama. They have ignored most of his experience and stuck to the 'only 2 years in the Senate' story; they have repeatedly claimed his whole campaign is 'just one speech'; they have pointed to many of his policy ideas as 'naive' (such as talking to leaders we don't like).

In the course of painting him as inexperienced, they've ventured into more questionable ground: When Bill called "this whole thing" a fairy tale, I don't think he was necessarily talking about race, but I do think he was talking about Obama's campaign in general. If that's true, what about it makes it a 'fairy tale?' When Bill called Obama a 'kid,' he was being condescending and trying to paint him as naive and inexperienced, but 'kid' is awfully close to 'boy.' When Ferarro  said, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept," I think she was working in the same vein, but she definitely stepped over into the discussion of race. To say a black man running for president is lucky to be in his position is laughable at best.

So what the Clinton's have done, I believe, is to throw every possible idea about inexperience, naivete, and more at Obama. What this can come across as, when it happens over and over and over, is that, he's black so he's not ready.

Is that what they were doing? I don't necessarily think so, but they danced around the line so many times (Clinton was 'mugged' in S. Carolina? Come on, man!), that it's hard not to see a plan there. Or, if one wants to be generous, a subconscious desire.

And that it's come from so many directions within her campaign makes it difficult to believe that EVERY time it happens, it's an accident or that somebody has misspoke.  


by vadasz on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:06:44 PM EST
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"Fairy Tale" (none / 0)

Was in reference to Barack Obama making the claim that he had been a stronger, more outspoken critic of the war in Iraq for longer than HRC, not his campaign.

Have you viewed the comments in context?


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by hornplayer on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:29:54 PM EST
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Re: "Fairy Tale" (none / 0)

Yes, I've viewed them (I posted the full video, with the question and his complete answer here: http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/4/22/1 2029/5707/14#14)

I agree that they could be read the way you say they were meant. But included in his rant on Obama's war position are mentions of Obama's inexperience and the media's treatment of him, among other things.

Then Bill says, "this whole thing is a fairy tale."

"This whole thing" makes the remarks somewhat ambiguous, and, combined with Clinton's frustration at Obama's success (which is clear if you watch the vid), I take the remark to mean his campaign.


by vadasz on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 03:06:41 AM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

GF stated nothing differently than what John Kerry ALSO stated who supports Obama.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:59:19 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

John Kerry said that Obama was winning because he was black?


by Mostly on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:25:39 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is (none / 0)

Great post and so true.  Race needs to be a two way conversation and not one when people are lectured to by someone else.  

So in so is a racist because i say so, period.  That person to, they are racists because i have decided what their words really mean.  This is nonsense and it really hurts the dems with working class voters who do not care for this.

david


by giusd on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:34:17 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

You can't look at Obama's actions and Clinton's actions without the context of both. And you can never win an argument on either side, because it's like a feud -- everyone is right and wrong simultaneously. Ferraro followed Powers during the great "firing" calls of, what was it, February? Anyway...

...the larger point is that no, the Clintons aren't racists, but they're not idiots either. They know that race is a powerful enough issue that racism works in their favor. They condemn it, but its in their political interests for Obama to be the "Black candidate."

And its in Obama's interests too, sort of. It's worked so far, Blacks do support him resoundingly. And racial attacks on him, which likely would have happened anyway, are common.

Does Hillary benefit from that? Absolutely. Does she wish she didn't? That we were in a better world? Absolutely, I don't doubt that at all.

But that doesn't change the fact that Bill truly knows better than this. He used race to his benefit in the famous "Sister Soulja" statement. He used race to his benefit every time he was called "the first black president."

He's not racist. He's a politician. And race, like gender, is a tool of politicians.

It will be condemned, but the condemnation is a kind of kabuki. As they're trying to argue that Obama needs a "thicker skin" -- it doesn't help that Bill shows he lost his over the last 8 years.

But in these debates, both sides see only what they want. Just like my boss who thinks Obama is a misogynist, some think Clinton has said racist things. It's politics, and all involved are powerful politicans.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:38:11 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

Well, it's very troublesome to me that Hillary supporters are missing the point.

(and, BTW, thanks for your concern abour Axelrod and Obama, coming from a hardcore Senator Clinton supporter, I will take that with about a TEN spoons of salt....)

Of course, Bill and Hillary Clinton are not racist?  That's as silly as diaries here that compare Obama and George Wallace?

But, they are winner take all politicians, and, if the race card gets dropped (and LOTS of their surrogates dropped it, from Obama's drug taken to Jesse Jackson type of win...) doesn't mean they don't know what they are doing, and why?

For goodness sake, Bill Clinton grew up in the south, he knows a dog whistle when he hears one....

They are NOT racists, that is clouding the issue;

But, they KNOW they have to win that older white vote to push out Obama, and, God help her, I hope she knows how to hold onto it in the fall when she runs about against McCain?


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:39:23 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

She won't be running against McCain. I think it's very important to remember that going forward - these types of silly controversies are just that, silly.


by amiches on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:55:38 PM EST
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You ain't never met my pop. (none / 0)

... kindly forget about your statements until you do.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:38:50 PM EST
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the Clinton's aren't racists... (none / 0)

...but they play them in their campaign.

hideous people.

Bill Clinton is a pathological liar.


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:51:17 PM EST

What is so funny to me... (none / 0)

is that the evidence that everyone points to that Bill Clinton played the "race card" happened AFTER South Carolina's primary.  Everyone forgets that the whole uproar occurred after the New Hampshire primary.  First Jesse Jackson, Jr. gets on television that Hillary must be a racist because she didn't cry after Katrina, Obama campaign surrogate (in fact) Donna Brazile says she's appalled by Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" comments as an African American and then Obama's campaign puts out a talking points memo about how the Clinton campaign is using the race card.  All this BEFORE the South Carolina primary.  Hell, this is all BEFORE the Nevada caucuses.  Everyone has such short term memory.  They try to point to "incontrovertible" evidence that it was Bill Clinton who played the race card.  Give me a break.  All these white people want to act like they're advocates for the black race.  They couldn't care less.  They are disgusting individuals who are exploiting an issue, using black people as tools, as cogs in the machine.  They are sick individuals.  BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON ARE NOT RACISTS.


by unabashed dem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:59:59 PM EST

Re: What is so funny to me... (none / 0)

Jackson never said Clinton "must be a racist" that she is a racist or that she was playing the race card.

He was commenting on her tears and on the other things she hasn't cried about. Katrina was only one of those things.

I think his overall take is a pretty cheap shot, to be honest, but I don't think he's trying to paint her as racist.


by vadasz on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:13:25 PM EST
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Re: What the hell is Bill Clinton talking about? (none / 0)

i dont think BC is racist, but then again every one of us is subliminally racist. If you dot think you are, you're probably lying to yourself. The fact is the culture we live in creates racial discrimination and we as humans, are only products of that environment/cuture we live in. WE will never truly see the racial devide, but as we contine to mix inter-racially, our children and our children's children will not understand these things that have happened. They wont get the racial undertones...

that being said, who makes Obama the decider of what is racist or not, who makes BC the decider of whose racist or not.

Its all about perception. Poilitics is all about perception. If enough people think hes racist it shall be so, even if he isnt. That truly is sad...


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by amde on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:01:13 PM EST

Clinton has benefited from White Priviledge (none / 0)

Racism is institutional.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:39:54 PM EST
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Re: Clinton has benefited from White Priviledge (none / 0)

is it also fair to say that sexism is institutional and the Barack benefited from it??

come on, lets get real.


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by amde on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:45:25 PM EST
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You look at the money.. (none / 0)

yes it is.

On the other hand, at least a good portion of the income disparity between men and women can be traced to women taking time off for babies.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:46:49 PM EST
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Re: You look at the money.. (none / 0)

ehh. i dont know if I agree with that. it would be interesting if they did a study of a group of men and women working in the same field (and area) over a given set of time, where women did not have babies, to see if thats really true. otherwise im not convinced.


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by amde on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 04:58:18 PM EST
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your link, sir... (none / 0)

http://www.iwf.org/campus/show/18948.htm l

;-) Not that I know much about the bias of the writers. But there is a study!


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:46:33 AM EST
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Bill is right! (none / 0)


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:31:14 PM EST

Is not about who's racist (none / 0)

The point of this diary, or what this diary shows, is not about Bill Clinton's feelings on race.  I don't think he's a racist.  Whether or not he "played the race card" is secondary to what this diary shows about the former president.  He was a good president, possibly great.  But he's also a liar.  He lies with such ease that I'm truly taken aback.  Like I said in another diary, when I hear about David Geffen's statement about the Clinton's lying too easily I thought it was just bitterness on Geffen's part.  But this campaign has given a lot of credence to his words.

Now I don't think this issue is something that we need to care about when deciding who should be president.  Hillary has a lot of plans for a democratic presidency that should make us all proud.  I just happen to think Obama's plans his chances for carrying them out are better.

What this does say is that Bill Clinton has a credibility problem.  If he was running for president, I'd be worried.  It's not just this incident, which he clearly misremembered.  The Tuzla incident that he brought back up stating that Hillary only misspoke once, late at night.  He said this despite a full week of the media covering the four different times she repeated the false account.  There was an issue where he said that everywhere he goes in Penn he sees people wearing buttons stating I'm not bitter.  The press corp following him had to call him out on that one, because this was the day after the bitter comment broke and they saw not one soul wearing these anti-bitter buttons.  He lied straight faced during the Lewinsky scandal (which I can understand, but he still lied).  It happens so often that every time I hear a personal story from the guy I have to go, "I wonder if he's lying."

Now he was a good president, maybe even a great one, but he's also a liar, and a bad one at that.


by shalca on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:48:02 PM EST

I have to say (none / 0)

I am a Clinton supporter and think Bill was a very good president, but he needs to shut up for a while.


by Mayor McCheese on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:12:09 PM EST

Re: I have to say (none / 0)

agreed...


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by amde on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:31:00 PM EST
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