Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborhood'

My weekend in Philadelphia began late Friday night. I had the esteemed pleasure to go pub crawling with Chelsea Clinton and Ed Rendell around Philadelphia's 'gayborhood.' The outpouring of support for Hillary and warm welcome that Chelsea received from the GBLT community tugged at my heartstrings, and it reminded me of what a terrific place my hometown of Philadelphia is.

All photos courtesy of Jon Winkleman

The pub crawl started at Bump - a trendy martini bar that I used to frequent after classes while I was a student. I took the Acela Express down from New York to make it to Bump just in time to meet up with my friends and the organizers. Let me tell you that my night was well worth the price of an Amtrak ticket.

Two hours before the event began, Bump had already begun to fill to capacity with an enthusiastic crowd of GLBT Hillary supporters. As an aside, I was pleased to see a friend from Temple University's Beasley School of Law -- formerly a staunch Republican -- at the bar supporting Hillary to be the next President of the United States.

The crowd continued to built until Bump was overcrowded and an overflow of supporters gathered on the sidewalk; the crowd soon traversed its way around the corner. I joined Ed Rendell on his GLBT bar crawl in 2006, and the turnout then paled in comparison to the enthusiasm Hillary generated last Friday night.

After a bit of a wait (Ed is ALWAYS late), Chelsea arrived flanked by openly gay New York State Assemblyman Daniel O'Donnell, cast members from the drama series Queer As Folk, and Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell. The crowd erupted into a rowdy cheer of, "Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!"

Before Chelsea could even get a word in edgewise, somebody yelled, "The gays love you Chelsea!" She modestly replied, "Gosh, I don't think that everyone loves me!"

All photos courtesy of Jon Winkleman

The next stop was Sisters, a piano bar that has great drink specials on Thursday nights. I had to wait outside in the alleyway, because it was so full that there was no way I was going to get inside! Curious onlookers gathered and waited for Chelsea to emerge on her way to Tavern on Camac.

After tavern, I sent a text message to a friend on the advance team and walked with him and other volunteers to Woody's - the final stop on the pub crawl. Along the way, people were running up to Chelsea and hugging her, trying to get a picture taken with her, or to simply offer her some words of encouragement.

All in all, it was a great night, and there was quite an anergy. The outpouring of support Hillary received from the GLBT community in Philadelphia was remarkable.

The next morning, I took a train to the Philly suburbs in Bristol, Bucks County - not too far from the town where I grew up. My friend New York LGBT activist and devout Clinton supporter Jon Winkleman joined me on a canvass of Levittown - a hardworking working class town.

Nearly ever household that I had the privilege to pay a call on was strongly supportive of Hillary. Entire families told me that they were going to vote for Hillary together. My most heartwarming encounter was with an elderly woman who told me that she had waited her entire life to pull the leaver for a woman.

An Obama supporter was also canvassing; we shook hands and chatted for a few minutes. In comparison to some other Obama supporters that shouted incredibly rude things at Chelsea from the streets Friday night, he was a terrific guy and had come all the way from Maryland.

John took a candid shot of me canvassing

I finished my canvassing and got a ride to my mother's house to celebrate my grandfather's 89th birthday. It was a great weekend, and I am incredibly enthusiastic about Hillary's prospects tomorrow.

Chelsea and I pose for a picture taken with my Blackberry.

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Tips... (2.00 / 33)

for Hillary and her wonderful daughter Chelsea.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:50:47 PM EST

Wow Owl! (2.00 / 16)

What a great report.  Wish I could have been there myself.  Thanks!


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:56:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Fabulous! (2.00 / 19)

I'm sure LGBT Democrats will help put Hillary on top in Pennsylvania. After all, Hillary won the LGBT vote overwhelmingly here in California, as well as in New Hampshire, New York, Texas, and Ohio (the only places I know where exit polls asked Dem voters about their sexual orientation). We appreciate Hill's commitment to our community from the very beginning (when she fought for better treatment of HIV/AIDS patients as AR First Lady when NO ONE else even wanted to deal with it), so I'm sure the "queer  vote" will carry Hill to victory tomorrow! :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:57:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Do you remember (2.00 / 16)

when you first heard of Hillary's support for LGBT issues?

I just finished her book, and clearly her parents' next-door neighbors in Arkansas, a gay couple, who looked after her dad after he had a stroke, made a strong impression on her. One of the men later got sick and his partner couldn't visit him in the hospital. But it sounds like she was pretty progressive before that even.


by catfish1 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:23:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Go Owl! Photos and a real report! (2.00 / 16)

Beautiful!


by catfish1 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:58:27 PM EST

Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (2.00 / 14)

there's a comfort level with gays in hillary's campaign that you don't see elsewhere. chelsea is a wonderful young woman.


by campskunk on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:58:59 PM EST

How very true... (2.00 / 11)

I can't tell you how many more LGBT people worked along with me at Hillary's campaign office in both Las Vegas AND Orange County. We just have a strong appreciation of all of Hill's hard work on behalf of our community, and we intend to stick with her all the way to victory! :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:18:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re (1.90 / 20)

awesome Diary!


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:02:50 PM EST

Re: Re (2.00 / 13)

Thanks!


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:04:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Re (2.00 / 6)

WTF???

Now saying "Awesome Diary" gets a troll-rating?

Hope, Unity, Change.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:33:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Re (2.00 / 8)

it was probably in error, no sweat


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:39:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Philly looks like very cool city (2.00 / 10)

Not too expensive, light rail, near water, progressive, and a little light rail.


by catfish1 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:03:06 PM EST

Looks like a great party (2.00 / 13)

Glad to see Rob Reiner there, too.  It's a myth that all the liberals are for O.  Reiner was a Dean supporter in 2004 and now he's for Hillary -- just like me!

***A


by adrienne4dean on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:05:19 PM EST

Hey, I'm a liberal, too! (2.00 / 12)

AND I'm young, and I'm gay, and I'm an agnostic, and I'm a vegetarian... And yes, I'm for Hillary! I appreciate how she's always fought for our values, and I know she will be a President that always listens to us and fights for us. :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:14:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hey, I'm a liberal, too! (2.00 / 9)

guess I won't ever be taking you for a steak dinner ;-) Although, I AM having vegan chicken nuggets for dinner tonight.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:35:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hey, I'm a liberal, too! (2.00 / 4)

Right on Andrew!


by reggie44pride on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:49:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

They said the same about her husband (2.00 / 2)

And he gave us DADT and DOMA.

Suffice it to say, the enthusiasm for a candidate who supported both until it became politically unwise to do so baffles me.


by Drew on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:02:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: They said the same about her husband (2.00 / 4)

I think we are forgetting about how progressive DADT was at the time.  It was a step in the right direction....at the time.

It's not Hillary's fault that Bush didn't advance gay rights further, but rather sent us back 15 years.


by mjc888 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:05:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's Hillary's fault (2.00 / 1)

That she refused to speak against DADT only when it might have harmed her in her race for Senate, eight years after it would have been useful.

And it's Hillary's fault that she refused to speak against DOMA - not when it would have been most useful, when her husband ran ads touting his support of it; not when it would have been brave, when she first ran for Senate; not when it would have been nice, when she ran for re-election; but only when it was necessary, when she ran for president against (at least) two candidates who had already declared their opposition.

Hillary can and should be blamed for that.  But instead, she's praised to the skies, even as a candidate who did what she refused is condemned as at best inferior, and at worst, a homophobe.

What do you think she's learned from that idiocy?  Certainly not that she should take the lead on equality.

Nope - and that failure of will on the part of her supporters, that failure to demand better of her, explains why she has been so comfortable sitting on the lagging edge of history for at least half of those 35 years she claims she has experienced.


by Drew on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:25:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's Hillary's fault (none / 0)

McLurkin, Kirby Caldwell....


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:29:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary's closest advisor (none / 0)

Signed DADT and DOMA into law.  I'll show some concern for Obama's tangential associations when you suggest that Hillary's intimate ones matter to you.


by Drew on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:41:35 PM EST
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Re: They said the same about her husband (none / 0)

  I could never figure out the Log Cabin Republicans.


by artsykr on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:42:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks owl06 (2.00 / 12)

Well done!


by durendal on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:09:08 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (2.00 / 10)

Here's a picture of Owl after he got home that night.

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b373/G abriele317/raptors/?action=view&curr ent=BabyWesternScreechOwl.jpg


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:11:14 PM EST

Sleeping owl - adorable! (2.00 / 13)

Haha :)


by catfish1 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:17:14 PM EST
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Re: Owl pic (2.00 / 10)

Screech it, baby! LOL!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:17:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (2.00 / 10)

hehehe... that's about right.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:20:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (1.88 / 9)

And here's a picture of me after listening to Obama's latest speech.  Look what he did to me:

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b373/G abriele317/?action=view&current=Vomi tingturkeyvulture.jpg

Still recovering.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:22:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (2.00 / 10)

wonderful diary, and great pix.


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:11:38 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock (2.00 / 11)

Good, postive diary.  Sounds like you had a great time.


by TomP on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:17:06 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock (2.00 / 11)

It's always nice to be home. thanks


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:19:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OK I'm turning into a Chelsea fan (2.00 / 12)

We'll see where she goes with her career. Just watching her grow up into such a poised self-assured young woman of her own.


by catfish1 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:18:51 PM EST

Re: OK I'm turning into a Chelsea fan (2.00 / 11)

she is VERY cool.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:26:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: OK I'm turning into a Chelsea fan (2.00 / 0)

I agree.  I think we may see Chelsea in political office not too long from now.  She's got a great smile and the Clinton "baggage," should not follow her given that she had nothing to do with any of it.

I am even impressed with the Bush daughters having turned it around.  


by reggie44pride on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:36:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Owl's Night Out (2.00 / 12)

Fantastic diary, Owl! Glad you got a pic with the future First Daughter. TG for Blackberries!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:19:53 PM EST

Re: Owl's Night Out (2.00 / 5)

totally.. I have the curve - love it.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:34:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yay!! (2.00 / 11)

This is great!  I am so excited about tuesday!


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:20:08 PM EST

hey I talked to PacificJohn today (2.00 / 11)

he called our office.  


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:20:48 PM EST

Is he in PA? (2.00 / 9)

That guy can travel. Hopefully I'll meet him up in Oregon.


by catfish1 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:25:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

NO he was making calls from CA (2.00 / 1)

and had a question about if we were using the same script.
when I amswered the phone "Teresa" he asked if it were TeresaINPa.  Very cool
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:15:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

tips to us gays on MYDD (2.00 / 18)

who love HRC


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:26:00 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (2.00 / 11)

Hillary walks the talk...she not only votes in support of the LGBT community, but goes that extra mile by personally reaching out to the LGBT community.

What other candidate was "daring" enough to walk in a gay pride parade?  


by mjc888 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:29:08 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (1.90 / 11)

Can you imagine Obama participating in a gay pride parade?

He even refused to shake hands or have his picture taken with SF Mayor Gavin Newson, even though Gavin himself is not gay - but supports gay rights.  Obama won't meet with him or have his picture taken with him?  Why?  Someone tell me, just why?

Just platitudes and false promises from afar, while giving anti-gay bigots a prominent role in his life/campaign.  I don't believe for one minute that this hopey dopey changer will do one single thing for gays.  He's said as much himself, stating that gay rights would NOT be a priority for him.

Doing anything to win, without a backbone in his "character".


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:42:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (2.00 / 1)

Oh you mean the unverifiable rumor that just happened to come out the day before the Feb 5 primaries?  The rumor pushed by the truth-challenged Willie Brown?

This gay guy here never bought that one. Both candidates are imperfect on gay issues, but both are on our side. For the record, not all gay people are falling behind Hillary.


by mikeinsf on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:16:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (2.00 / 5)

What have you been smoking?  Have you watched any of the Ellen DeGereres shows that Hillary participated in?  Ellen is a pro-Hillary woman, and for good reasons.

Even her daughter went out last Friday to stump for gay rights.

Can you please show me an equal representation from Obama?  You know, the one who wouldn't even shake hands with the current SF Mayor who supports gay rights in his own city?

Show me, just show me, where and when Obama has taken a clear stance on gay rights?  Silence?  Yes!  Because he never did.  His stance on gay rights has all been word-wrapping from afar, while Hillary and her daughter have no fear to support the gay community.  Prove me otherwise, or else, just shut up.  Hillary is the one that will fight for gay rights - not Obama, who hedges his support on trying to please everyone, without taking a solid stance on so many issues.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:49:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (2.00 / 1)

I coincidentally just posted one of the Ellen videos you mentioned below.


by mjc888 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:59:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Gay For Obama (2.00 / 2)

First, I don't appreciate you telling me, a gay man, to shut up on gay rights. Who the Hell do you think you are?

And I don't need to smoke anything; I just have to look at my gay self in the mirror... or call Chris or Larry or any number of my friends who support Obama, thank you very much. We don't need to turn on the TV to gage gay support.  We don't need to hear what celebrity A-Gays like Ellen and Elton John say.  We can just walk around our own neighborhood, thanks.  Plenty of Obama signs in the Castro, darling.

Now, it's true that Hillary has a long and good relationship with our community.  I don't take any of that away, and I appreciate it. She has strong support in the community and deserves it.  I also know that Obama has made some missteps. He really screwed up on the McClurkin thing. But in the end their positions are about the same, and they will be both good for the gay community.

The supposed snubbing of straight Mayor Newsom by Senator Obama was reported by Clinton partisans on the eve of Super Tuesday and has never been substantiated.  Here are a few things that are:

1) Obama is for repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act and Don't Ask Don't Tell.  He doesn't support gay marriage, but supports civil unions.

2) Hillary supports the repeal of DADT, but only supports repealing portions of DOMA.  Like Obama she is against gay marriage but for civil unions.

3) Bill Clinton proudly signed DOMA and used his support for that act in '96 campaign materials when campaigning in the South.  DADT was implemented during his administration.  In that time, the number of discharges for gays doubled.  These were BIG disappointments for LGBT rights back then. Good to know Hilary plans on cleaning up that mess her husband left us.

4) Obama brings up gay issues when he doesn't have to, to groups that don't necessarily favor gay rights.  The most famous time as in Texas to a mostly African American group.
Link here: http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/obam a_confronts_african_american_crowd_o

5) Chelsea campaigned in gay bars yesterday.

Now, these are facts, which I know aren't always welcome around here, but there you have it.  Again, neither is perfect, but neither is a homophobe eiter, regardless of the whispered innuendo of unnamed sources and Clinton partisans.  I'm convinced that gay rights will be much much further along after either a Clinton or an Obama presidency. I feel very much at peace with both candidates' (imperfect) stances and am able to focus on other issues, like Iraq.

Obama's interview with Advocate: http://www.advocate.com/print_article_ek tid53285.asp

Good luck with your candidate.


by mikeinsf on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:09:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Where the hell (2.00 / 1)

did I tell you to shut up on gay rights?

Please quote me if you can.  I expressed my preference, nothing more. What on earth did I do to you to bring forth this kind of response?  My preference for Hillary?  Is that it?


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:23:54 PM EST
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Re: Where the hell (2.00 / 2)

...and I'm not gay myself?  But I support gay rights, and I think Hillary does far better on this than Obama?

Tons of questions here.  Could you elaborate?  I don't like being attacked for defending gay rights.  It's not an unusual thing, but when gays attack me for sticking up for gays - something goes wrong.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:27:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Where the hell (none / 0)

You weren't just "defending gay rights", you were going after Obama based partly upon a story that is unsubstantiated.  I replied that the story is likely bull, and that in fact both aren't bad on gay issues , to which you replied "Prove me otherwise, or else, just shut up."  Your message is just above it.  You can read your own words yourself.


by mikeinsf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 05:58:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Where the hell (2.00 / 1)

I'm pretty sure it becomes substantiated when Mayor Newsom himself attests to this incident, on the record:

"One of the three Democrats you mentioned as presidential candidates, as God is my witness, will not be photographed with me, will not be in the same room with me," Newsom told Reuters, "even though I've done fund-raisers for that particular person -- not once, but twice -- because of this issue."

http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?200 8/02/07/1

Obama has good rhetoric but obviously, with the McClurkin flap and the Newsom issue, along with his strong association with Focus on the Family member Rev. Meeks, along with the OTHER singers on his SC gospel tour being blatant homophobes who are right up there with Brownback, it doesn't seem like he much cares for the gay vote. It seems more to me that he cares about throwing that vote under the bus to pander to conservatives. Let's just put it this way: if Barack was President, and his signature was required for a history making piece of GLBT legislation that the country was vastly divided on, I don't think he'd sign it.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:29:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Where the hell (none / 0)

OK. Yes. Obama. Is. A. Homophobe. Sure.


by mikeinsf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:26:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Where the hell (none / 0)

"Prove me otherwise, or else, just shut up."

You said it there.


by mikeinsf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 05:52:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gay For Obama (none / 0)

 Too bad you missed Hillary at the Abby the night of the LOGO conversations.


by artsykr on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:46:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gay For Obama (2.00 / 1)

I have no issues with Hillary's or Obama's stance on gay rights.  Both could be better, but they're doing about as well as they could as national candidates at this point. If either wins, we'll be fine (in that regard).


by mikeinsf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 05:54:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Gay Rights are Civil Rights (none / 0)

The Gay Rights movement is the natural extension of the Civil Rights movement.  Obama is by far the best candidate on civil rights, period.  Full stop.

If you read up on his position on gay marriage, it's actually both more constitutional and more respectful of religion than any I've ever seen. He wants to make civil unions take the place of marriage, and make marriage an institution of religion only.

That way, both straight and gay couples qualify for the same rights under the law, and we let churches make their own decisions on who gets married and who doesn't.

Gay folks get equality, religious folks get control over sacriment, and everybody is theoretically happy.

As a civil rights lawyer and constitutional scholar, Obama is far better prepared to take on this sort of challenge than Clinton.  Clinton might be a friend of the gays, but you don't hear her touting it in her stump speeches, while Obama stood up in Ebeneezer Baptist Church and criticized them for not treating homosexuals well enough.  THAT is what I like to see.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 04:41:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (2.00 / 6)

Completely agree.  

However, while both candidates vote very similarly regarding gay issues, I am siding with Hillary because she has reached out a bit more to the LGBT community.  She's more comfortable with us, and I give her bonus points for that.

To be honest, I haven't quite been able to get beyond this video of Obama.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZzWYCxjd nY

We get it Obama, you're not gay.  Nobody ever thought you were.  

I genuinely think that Obama is trying his best to appeal to the gay community, but is still a bit wet behind the ears in actually being comfortable with LGBT issues.  He needs to immerse himself in the culture a bit to really "get it."  Kind of like when he went bowling in PA.  Baby steps.

Contrast the video above with the following of Hillary (fast forward to 3:20), talking about parents' gay neighbors.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo6VMpSlM iI


by mjc888 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:58:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (2.00 / 1)

On Obama's AIDS remark:

Straight men usually don't do that because their heterosexuality is presumed.  I never see them doing identity work like that.

This is definitely up there with the "oh that chocolate cake is far too decadent for me" moment in PA.  Then the blatant paranoia of the gay press.  

Hmmm, I'll have to pay more attention to this.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:59:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Can you imagine Hillary supporting DOMA? (1.50 / 2)

Oh, wait, you don't have to, because she did - long after Barack Obama stood against it.

I grow weary of this ridiculous assertion that the candidate who (at best) did nothing in the face of DADT and supported DOMA until she had to run against two of its opponents is somehow more gay-friendly than Obama, about whom neither of those can be said.

But whatever.  It's clear that a smile from Hillary is worth more than, you know, equal fucking rights.


by Drew on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:07:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Can you imagine Hillary supporting DOMA? (2.00 / 3)

I completely disagree.

I think some of us have amnesia about how DADT actually WAS progressive when it was implemented.


by mjc888 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:10:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I remember (2.00 / 1)

The pitch for DADT - that it would be better.  But discharges grew every year it was in effect under Clinton.  So the implementation - not so progressive.

Of course, even Bill admitted this.  Conveniently, he had waited to long to rectify his error - but it was in enough time for Hillary to come out against it in anticipation of her run for Senate.

Funny how that timing worked out.


by Drew on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:38:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I remember (2.00 / 3)

Fair enough.  

And, similarly, it was not exactly coincidence that Obama came out with a statement about being against DADT the day after he was receiving negative attention for ignoring the gay press.


by mjc888 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:47:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yep. I was an Obama supporter until (2.00 / 5)

Donnie McClurkin graced Obama's stage with his message of self-hatred and "pray the gay away." Our young gay brothers and sisters deserve more than that. Shame on him....


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:49:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (none / 0)

Exactly when did he say that gay rights are not a priority?  I had not heard that.


by mariannie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:18:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (2.00 / 6)

Very cool. Thanks for this great post.


by cc on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:44:40 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gaybor (2.00 / 6)

Thank you so much for your work.  Marvelous report, Mr. Owl.  Now, who who who do you love?  ;)


by Caldonia on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:19:30 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (1.00 / 2)

Why was Wes Clark junior never afraid of the press? As a 28 year old I must say I am dissapointed in her. She dropped the American tradition of following your parents into public service. Instead she took a cushy 6 figure job, and then thinks it's relevant to get involved in campaining but yet have an almost Chinese/Soviet no-talk policy.
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Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:32:02 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (2.00 / 4)

Chelsea is not some spoiled Lindsay Lohan/Britney Spears/The Hills-style brat like the Bush twins who (like their father) contribute nothing good to society.  She had to grow up under a microscope, was ridiculed as "ugly" as a child by the right wing and some media outlets and had to endure the embarrassing Lewinsky scandal but still managed to become a beautiful, progressive, well-rounded person.  Bill and Hillary did a great job raising her under these conditions, why do you have to be so cruel to her?


by BlueDoggyDogg on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:07:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Chelsea is a beautiful person (2.00 / 8)

and a real asset to Hillary's campaign.  She has been such a splendid example of what a fine young person can be.  Thank you for sharing this fascinating evening with all of us who are so heterosexual and old that we cannot even imagine visiting those exotic places.  ;-)


by macmcd on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:48:50 PM EST

Re: Chelsea is a beautiful person (none / 0)

yes, gay people, like people of color before them, are "exotic." please listen to yourself. it doesn't matter if you didn't mean it that way, it reads as slumming with the gays. please, spare us the patronage.


by DrPolitics on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:41:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

WTF? Relax, take a deep breath. You'll (2.00 / 1)

feel better.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:56:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea is a beautiful person (none / 0)

Good lord, chill out. I'm bisexual and avoid straight bars like the plague, but I wasn't offended by that comment. Please, spare us the faux-outrage.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:12:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea is a beautiful person (none / 0)

  Geez dude, relax- I kinda liked thinking that I might have been hanging out in an exotic place. Made me feel like I was on a vacation somewhere.
  Really, I took it as a compliment. I think you're being a litte or a lot too sensative at the momenet.
by artsykr on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:12:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea is a beautiful person (2.00 / 2)

Don't feel bad.  It was pretty obvious by the tone of your post you meant no ill will towards gay/lesbian Americans.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:01:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea is a beautiful person (none / 0)

thank you.  Just like not visiting gay bars, I cannot imagine visiting those kinds of Odd dance places where all the 20-somethings go to meet and dance.  It is not that they are slumming...it is just that I wouldn't fit in with my sensible shoes and baggy skin.  thank you for understanding what I was saying.


by macmcd on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 02:38:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Awesome, Owl! (2.00 / 5)

Thanks for posting your cool PA experiences and for helping Hillary!

Go Owl!

BTW, my wife is on her way home after spending hours on the phone at HHQ. :)


by Nobama on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:51:57 PM EST

rock Philly's 'gayborhood' (2.00 / 7)

Thanks for showing which candidate 'gets' lesbians and gays. And which one keeps us at arm's length. Shows us who are friends are. And who our candidate should be.


by DaleA on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:02:54 PM EST

She "get" us when she supported DOMA? (1.50 / 2)

Or did she "get" us when she supported DADT?  (Curious to know whether I'm going to get the "she never supported that!" or the "but it would have been wonderful if she did!" response, here.)

When Obama stated his opposition to DOMA, Hillary still defended it.  Yet somehow, it is Hillary who "gets" lesbians and gays, and Obama who "keeps us at arm's length."

At this point, what Hillary "gets" from her thirty-five years of experience is that if she smiles at a donor's partner when she takes the check, she doesn't actually have to do anything - because who needs a candidate who supports equality when you can have a candidate who "gets" you?


by Drew on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:17:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Let's see some evidence about Obama (2.00 / 5)

As I have said several times previously, DADT was a big improvement for military gays. DOMA was something with a veto override majority, they took the easy way out. And let the issue fade away. Not a great choice, but better than falling on a sword. There is one part that she feels will keep FMA at bay, so she favors keeping that in.

Hillary lead the procedural battle that defeated FMA last time it came up. So, let's just say that her advice should be taken very seriously.

Hillary has given interviews to the gay press nationwide. Obama did one little puff piece in the airhead Advocate. He has turned down local gay papers everywhere.

Lived in Arkansas in the early 90's. My partner died of AIDS there. He had great health care, attested to by ACT UP DC who visited and looked into the situation. Hillary fought to bring modern state of the art HIV medicine to all parts of Arkansas. And she won.

At the beginning of her term as First Lady, right wing groups threatened to out one of her high level staffers. He offered to resign. She refused his resignation and stood up for him against the right wing.

Hillary has attended gay marriage ceremonies. Has Obama? She has long time gay friends. Does Obama? She is very comfortable with gays. Is Obama? What gay specific events has he campaigned at? Does Obama have gay staffers? Why don't they get out and speak for him?

Hillary has shown that she accepts gay people equaly. Obama gives us homophobe after homophobe: McClurkin, Kirbyjohn Caldwell, Rev Meeks, Sam Nunn. He wants our votes based on no record on our behalf. With a personal record where we do not exist in his circle.

Please answer the questions.


by DaleA on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:17:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Let's see some evidence about Obama (none / 0)

 With this list I can't for the life of me figure out how this guy is supposed to be so far to the left of Hill? or of anyone for that matter.


by artsykr on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:04:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

"Some of her best friends are gay." (none / 0)

That's not evidence, Dale.  That's farce.

I don't care how many gay weddings Hillary has attended.  I don't care how many gay friends she has.  And I don't care how "comfortable" she is with gay people.

Because when it comes down to it, she absolutely does not "accept gay people equally."  And her support for bigoted policies like DADT (until it became a political liability) and DOMA (until it became a political liability) show it.

Now, Obama is hardly without fault.  But the fact is, on the most contentious issue, same-sex marriage, he has shown the most political courage.  At best, Hillary's courage is as qualified as her recent opposition to DOMA.

Hillary and Bill - well, as you yourself say, "they took the easy way out."  And they still do.  And as long as their supporters give her more credit for the fact that "some of her best friends are gay" than they do for her position on the issues, they will continue to take the easy way out.

Because why should they do any more when their supporters expect nothing more?

Otherwise, McClurkin?  Hillary is hardly without her homophobic endorsers:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenki ns/obama-and-mcclurkin-don_b_69556.html

And you know it.  But you excuse (or, more accurately, ignore) her association with Harold Mayberry even as you excoriate Obama for his association with Donnie McClurkin.  

Because for Hillary, there is always an excuse.  Even now, even for DOMA, which you believe she supports because "she feels [it] will keep FMA at bay."  Which doesn't explain why she supported the other part, at least until she had to run against (at least) two candidates who opposed it.

What would explain it, however, would be if this were yet another effort to split-the-difference in order to preserve her political career - not anyone's rights.


by Drew on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:07:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gay (2.00 / 4)

Thanks for sharing the great diary. Sounds like a fun night. Chelsea is so smart, beautiful, poised and she manages to have a great attitude despite the fact that she's been publically criticized ever since she was just a little girl. She's a wonderful role model for young women, and a great testament to the child-rearing skills of her two very smart parents.


by LakersFan on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:10:40 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (2.00 / 4)

Great work Owly, only 1 day to go!  Let's win it for Hillary!!!

GOOOOOOOO!   OWWWWWWWLLLLLLLYYYYY!

GOOOOOOOO!   HILLLLLLLLLLLLLARRRRY!


I like the silence of a church, before the service begins better than any preaching. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
by Norwegian Chef on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:13:09 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell (none / 0)

Why exactly is every posting here rated for trolling?  

It's getting a bit over-the-top with the ratings, no?

OK, now I'll move out of the way.  Make this posting troll-rific!


by mjc888 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:21:36 PM EST

So cool Owl (2.00 / 3)

I'm jealous but not really since I've been spending quality time with incredible people like TeresaInPA.


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:23:15 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed , and Owl (2.00 / 3)

OMG! You look just like I thought you would! Very wise, but not too wise.  Cool.


by Scotch on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:44:09 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (2.00 / 2)

I think it is great that you took the time to write this diary.

I just wish people would not assume that all glbt people support Hillary. It just isn't true and to assert so is dishonest and representative. No one glbt person can speak for or represent the experiences, feelings, and politics of all of us. it's deeply disturbing to see the partisan nature of this campaign extend to issues like race, gender, and sex, so please, please, please be aware of this issue folks. it's extremely important. for all of us (no matter which candidate we support). there are plenty of glbt supporters of Obama.

As a former supporter of Clinton and her husband, I do feel I have the right to share my experiences here. I was caucus delegate in Washington State in '92. I initially supported Jerry Brown. In my caucus an HIV positive man (I lived in the then gay hood of capital hill) made a very eloquent case for Bill Clinton by saying that less people would die from HIV if he were elected. Later that year, I was at a rally for Clinton in late '92 at the Farmer's Market in Seattle when Clinton said he would repeal the ban on gays in the military. It was a defining moment for me to be able to see a major presidential candidate come out in favor of ending discrimination based on sexual orientation.

I kept those fond memories even through Hillary's senate run in NY in 2K, where I happily voted for her. And while this is just one person's experience, I now see all of these events through a different lens. Even if Bill and Hill do believe in some of what they profess to us, I also see it as part of their strategy of triangulation. They appeal to all of these loyal democratic constituencies and, in many cases, do not deliver on their promises or, worse, do nothing, or screw them up like DADT, and just expect these voters to continue to go along with them because they have nowhere else to go. This is, in part, the answer to the question of why Hillary did nothing about DADT (or wouldn't even talk about it) until she was running for President and had to do so. In short, I no longer believe the Clinton's and I no longer have warm fuzzy feelings about them "helping" the glbt community. We do have somewhere else to go. That, in part, is why many people like myself now are supporting Obama.

Who knows how Obama will turn out? But I do know exactly what to expect from the Clinton's and the answer is: I will be made to feel like my vote is important, like they are somehow concerned about me and my issues, it will be a very personal and empathetic pitch (they feel my pain) but when push comes to shove, they are really more concerned about themselves. For me, it's time to turn the page and see if we can't have something else in American politics. I think we can do better than that and I think we deserve better. Just my two cents.


by DrPolitics on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:08:28 PM EST

Re: Chelsea and Ed Rendell rock Philly's 'gayborh (none / 0)

well reasoned. thank you.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:31:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary is NOT BILL (2.00 / 1)

for God's sake.  She is not responsible for DADT. IS this the Americanblog argument?  I have a good friend who is gay who says this same crap and he reads there often.

Do you all have any idea what a SEXIST argument you are making?


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:27:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is NOT BILL (2.00 / 0)

I, nor any other poster on here, blamed her for DADT. I blamed her for not taking it on (coming out against it) as a Senator, and pointed out a tendency among both Clinton's to promise imp. Dem. constituencies things during their campaigns and then not deliver (Hill did this with jobs in Upstate NY). There was nothing sexist in my post. I was very respectful of this diary (as I totally get the spirit in which it was written) and of others' opinions on here and I would ask you to do the same for me (please). We've all been a bit too strident and I'd like us all to have some level of discussion (where it's okay to disagree and still be civil -- I think it's really important).


by DrPolitics on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 02:08:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmmm (2.00 / 1)

Hillary attracks an overwhelming majority of gay/lesbian voters.  I don't know a single gay man or lesbian who supports Obama.  

What's interesting is that usually gay people and African Americans are rock solid in their support of the Democratic nominee.  But this time, they're diametrically opposed.  Philadelphia has an enormous gay population.  Anecdotally, I used to posit that one out of every three people in Center City, Phila was gay.  When I would wander the city, I'd look around and always got the sensation my estimate was on target.  It's going to be tough for Obama in PA, when he has to rely on Philadelphia for huge margins and the two most reliably rock-solid Democratic voting segments are in opposition rather than in unity.  

Obama wins the city by 62-37.  Loses the four suburban counties 53-47.  Loses the rest of the state 65-34.  Hillary by +16.


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:09:17 PM EST

Whoa (2.00 / 1)

That was the worst typo ever.  Attracks should read "attracts."  I am getting sleepy again... :-)


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:10:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whoa (none / 0)

That's a funny typo! ;-)


by DrPolitics on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 02:10:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

I know you're tired, but ... neither candidate is the Democratic nominee, yet! But, of course, I get what you mean.

I think there's def. more support for Hill among gays and lesbians than Obama (she's a known commodity), but I am not altogether sure it is enough to offset the AA numbers in PA.

It's interesting that Chelsea is attending the gay events. She did this in Portland (OR), as well. God knows how the gays like the pretty. Chelsea looks amazing, btw. I always liked her a lot. Definitely a cool first kid.

Did she go to the Bus Stop?


by DrPolitics on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 02:17:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

Good point and I agree with you.  The GLBT vote isn't enough to outright void the AA vote in Philly, but it offsets it slightly.

Kerry won Philly by... I believe 80%/17%.  Obama will get nowhere near those numbers without the unity of AA's, GLBT, Latinos, Asians, and White Women.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:04:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

I know MANY LGBT who support Obama.  I'll grant that she has stronger support, but we aren't a monolithic voting group, nor are we "one issue".


by mikeinsf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:31:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

Actually I just found an article about the gay vote.  As I expected from my own experience, a lot of the "Clinton Owns the Gay Vote" meme is untrue.  The split isn't nearly as severe as one would think.

http://www.dallasvoice.com/artman/publis h/article_8340.php


by mikeinsf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:37:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

Thanks for the link.

The problem with the study is that it gets results from "heavily gay precints" whatever that means.  40% gay?  70% gay?  50% gay?  We'd need something that screens GLBT voters, and of course the problem with people being in the closet and what-not compounds it.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:01:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow! (none / 0)

Wonderful diary, owl. I'm really, really jealous of you right now, though. I adore Chelsea, and I can only imagine how much fun it must have been to hang out with her! Great work you folks are doing!


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:20:49 AM EST

Did they have a chance to talk about (none / 0)

the passage of DOMA or the implementation of Don't Ask Don't Tell or the wholesale triangulation of the gay community during the Clinton years?  How about encouraging Kerry to support the several state DOMAs on the ballot in 2004?  Meh, I guess not.


by bigdcdem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:58:34 AM EST

can we get a picture (none / 0)

without the owl pasted!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:20:32 PM EST


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