SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA

The California Nurses Association won a restraining order against the Service Employees International Union on April 18 after reports of widespread physical abuse by members of the SEIU was documented against members of the mostly female rival union.

This video is from the cna href=http://www.calnurse.org/ website:

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In a pattern of harassment similar to stories of abuse by Obama supporters at state caucuses, the restraining order, issued by Jon Rantzman, a judicial officer in Alameda County Superior Court, said that Mr. Stern, who is based in Washington, and the service employees' union should not assault, stalk, threaten or "telephone or send correspondence to" officials of the nurses' union.

The executive director of the union, Rose Ann DeMoro, said, "It's a disgrace that a labor organization would engage in this level of deplorable behavior against an organization that is predominantly women and nurses."

The SEIU has said that it would file a motion to dismiss the restraining order; and SEIU president, Andrew Stern, denounced the order in a statement, saying the nurses' union had presented "misleading and inaccurate stories" about his union's members and staff.

But I am not convinced. How many times have we heard the Obama campaign or Obama supporters deny the pattern of harassment and intimidation leveled at Clinton supporters, particlarly women and the elderly? And if more proof of the SEIU's pattern of harassment and intimidation is wanted one need look no further than some of its own members who filed this protest:

Open Letter to SEIU Members and Leaders on the Violence at the Labor Notes Conference
By S.M.A.R.T.
Open Letter
April 17, 2008

As SEIU members who attended the Labor Notes conference held on April 11-13, 2008 in Dearborn, Michigan, we denounce the attempts by SEIU International to violently disrupt a fundraising banquet on Saturday, April 12 attended by nearly one thousand labor activists from around the world who gathered to discuss ways to rebuild labor's power.

Seven busloads of SEIU staff and members (mostly from SEIU Healthcare Michigan and SEIU District 1199 WV/OH/KY) stormed the hotel to disrupt the event, allegedly to protest the scheduled keynote speech by Rose Ann DeMoro, Executive Director of the California Nurses Association. The CNA and SEIU have been engaged in a years-long conflict over organizing jurisdiction. The dispute has resulted in CNA efforts to undermine union elections with SEIU, and accusations that SEIU has sent staff to intimidate and harass CNA leaders in their homes and workplaces.

The violent action taken by some in SEIU on this night only worsened this inter-union dispute, in which workers are the big losers. It succeeded only in alienating many of the labor leaders at the event who did not agree with the CNA's actions in Ohio and Nevada.

When conference participants (mostly rank-and-filers from unions around the country) tried to stop protesters from disrupting the dinner, the protesters (including some SEIU staff) pushed their way through the crowd by throwing punches and shoving people to the ground. One UAW retiree who had organized strike support for American Axle workers that day was taken to the hospital with a head injury, and others suffered minor injuries. One protester rushed the stage and attempted to speak to the crowd.

Some of us saw an SEIU member, who had collapsed on the ground, being moved onto a stretcher by police and EMTs. On Sunday, SEIU's Michigan health care local posted an obituary for home healthcare member-David Smith. It informed Smith's co-workers that "he passed away....during a rally to give healthcare workers the right to organize in Ohio." It is tragic that a member died at this shameful protest.

This protest action by some in SEIU was an embarrassment to the labor movement. Rose Ann DeMoro had earlier announced she would not attend, a fact well-known by SEIU staff in attendance, some of whom later assisted protesters in their violent attempt at disruption. The action was unsuccessful at disrupting the rest of the conference, and the protester who spoke could not be understood by anyone. Most attendees were left offended and confused, and denounced the violence some protesters used against other rank-and-file workers. In the International SEIU's Orwellian press release, International Executive Vice-President Mary Kay Henry states:

"Open debate serves an important role as we work to strengthen our movement. The Labor Notes Conference is the right time and place to discuss our differences."

But this action was clearly intended to harass and intimidate workers, not to promote discussion and debate about the future of our movement. In fact, several workshops at the conference encouraged debate and discussion of the very issues of concern within SEIU, including the escalating war between SEIU and CNA. Among the dozens of workshops held were:

Solidarity Under Attack
Running for Union Office
Contract Campaigns and Bargaining Tactics
Organizing Immigrant Workers; Organizing Right-to-Work States
Member-Driven Organizing
Neutrality Agreements and Organizing Deals
Innovative Organizing Strategies: Building Unions from the Bottom Up
Patients' Rights, Workers' Rights
Labor Media and New Technology
Democracy is Power

These topics and more were the subject of discussion and debate all weekend at the Labor Notes conference, with full participation by SEIU members and staff. Some SEIU members and staff were disruptive and rude in these discussions, and later participated in the violent attempt to disrupt the fundraising dinner, which honored striking American Axle workers in UAW, the New York Taxi Drivers' Alliance, United Workers Baltimore, and John Sferazo, an ironworker who helped search for survivors at the World Trade Center.

From our own conversations with SEIU protesters at the conference, we learned that many had no idea they were protesting an international labor activists' conference. Staff appeared to lead the action (sometimes wearing bandannas to hide their identity) with workers following in tow who may or may not have understood what and who they were protesting. The organizers of this action put their own members and other rank-and-file union workers in harms way for an action that was a humiliating failure without any message.

As SEIU members, we believe it was precisely open debate and discussion that were the target of this hostile attack. SEIU International does not want workers learning how to build real power in our shops and in our union. SEU International does not want an open debate about democracy or worker empowerment. The International wants us to know that we become targets when we talk about democracy, worker power, and the future of the labor movement. They will evidently embrace the crudest tactics, using violence to make their point.

SEIU International failed to disrupt the conference, and will fail to silence us as members.

We call on Mary Kay Henry and SEIU International to denounce the use of violence, and specifically denounce the violent actions taken against us and other rank-and-file union workers at the Labor Notes conference on April 12, 2008.

We further call on SEIU International and Executive Vice-President Mary Kay Henry to demonstrate that "open debate serves an important role as we work to strengthen our movement." An open debate has never been encouraged at an International level in SEIU to discuss these issues, which are critical to our future. If Mary Kay and our International leaders want to demonstrate their credibility, they will entertain exactly such a debate and discussion among our membership at the 2008 Convention.

We also call upon SEIU's rank and file members to denounce the SEIU International's use violence and to tell the International Officers of SEIU that we will not tolerate the use of our union dues to attack rank-and-file union members. We are proud to be members of SEIU and call upon our International leadership to put SEIU back on the right path as a growing, dynamic member-driven union.

Sincerely,

Brian Cruz
City College of San Francisco
SEIU 2008 International Convention Delegate
SEIU Local 1021

Joe Iosbaker
Chief Steward, University of Illinois - Chicago (UIC)
Executive Board Member
SEIU Local 73

Helen York-Jones
Chief Steward, CPMC Medical Center
SEIU 2008 International Convention Delegate
SEIU UHW-West Executive Board Vice-President
(Boycotted the fundraising banquet portion of the conference to protest CNA's actions in Ohio and Nevada)

Zev Kvitky
President and Executive Director, SEIU Local 2007
Higher Education Workers-CA
SEIU California State Council

Maya Morris
Steward, Saint Francis Memorial Hospital, CHW
SEIU 2008 International Convention Delegate
SEIU UHW-West Executive Board Vice-President
(Boycotted the fundraising banquet portion of the conference to protest CNA's actions in Ohio and Nevada)

Randy Evans
Steward, University of Illinois - Chicago (UIC) Medical Center
SEIU Local 73
http://www.reformseiu.org/



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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 7)

Unbelievable!


by JoeySky18 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:43:07 PM EST

This is horrifying... (2.00 / 8)

And NO union should be engaging in any of these disgusting tactics. SEIU is disgracing the labor movement by engaging in such violent behavior that abusive employers would use against workers trying to unionize. All of us should be ashamed, and Barack Obama should tell his friends at SEIU to stop attacking other unions.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:54:25 PM EST
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Re: This is horrifying... (2.00 / 1)

Hear, hear!  They should be asahmed of themselves.  Bit rather than back off they have the audacity to appeal the restraining order.  They won't leave those poor folks alone nooooooo!  They want the order lifted so they can continue to intimidate and terrorize.

That is NOT what labor unions do folks.  If anything - they stand together strong and united AGAINST that sort of thuggary.


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by alegre on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:58:24 PM EST
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Re: This is horrifying... (none / 0)

It's not an appeal. The court issued a temporary restraining order. Why should SEIU throw out its due process rights if they don't agree that they are "terrorizing" the CNA execs? It's SEIU's position that they are exercising their right to free speech. The court will listen to both sides and make a determination. I looked at both statements and they're full of posturing. But CNA gets bonus points for shameless deployment of the gender card.

http://prnwire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?AC CT=109&STORY=/www/story/04-17-2008/0 004795414&EDATE=

"While this court order provides a step forward for the safety and security of our leaders and staff, it's a disgrace that a labor organization would engage in this level of deplorable behavior against an organization that is predominantly women and nurses," said CNA/NNOC Executive Director Rose Ann DeMoro.

...

Another Southern California CNA/NNOC Board member, Carol Koelle, RN, described her response when SEIU went to her house and followed family members in their car.  "This is unprofessional, thug-like behavior that has no place in a professional women's union."

http://tinyurl.com/4keguc


by Mobar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:49:02 PM EST
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Re: This is horrifying... (none / 0)

Woops. Rest of quote:

"This is unprofessional, thug-like behavior that has no place in a professional women's union."


by Mobar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:51:29 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (1.16 / 6)

A vote for Hillary Clinton means never having to say you're sorry to the citizens of the United States of America or the people of the World.


by PGraber on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:45:26 PM EST

WTF? (2.00 / 3)

First off, what the hell does that have to do with the SEIU's disgusting attacks on the nurses? And secondly, what did you actually say? I'm dumbfounded.


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by atdleft on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:50:29 PM EST
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This person (none / 0)

seems to be a Hillary Clinton supporter...

but... does so in very cryptic ways. They are also posting the same comment over and over again in different diaries.
http://pgraber.mydd.com/user/pgraber/com ments


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by kevin22262 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:10:36 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 6)

That's despicable!


by Nobama on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:51:35 PM EST

Ummm.... (2.00 / 5)

This is an inter-labor squabble. They happen all the time. What does this have to do with Obama?


by Democratic Unity on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:54:53 PM EST

Re: Ummm.... (1.71 / 7)

Same tactics and pattern of harassment and SEIU has poured a ton of buckaroos into Obama campaign.


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:59:15 PM EST
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Re: Ummm.... (2.00 / 1)

So - SEIU is evil? Just getting my "facts" straight. Because I could have sworn that they were just involved in an inter-labor squabble...


by Democratic Unity on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:18:37 PM EST
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Re: Ummm.... (2.00 / 1)

Read the comments here by real nurses and labor members. SEIU has run off the rails


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:58:43 PM EST
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Document it (2.00 / 1)

Either document your b.s. (not w/ regards to SEIU, but Obama) or stop saying it.  You keep on tossing this b.s. out and never prove it.  Show your work or stop spreading slanders.

BTW, I like the CNA.  I don't know about this intra-labor controversy, but I bet that CNA is acting appropriately.


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by nklein on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:37:14 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 7)

As a Registered Nurse and a member of CNA, I am appalled by the actions of SEIU. CNA has done more to improve the working conditions, salaries, and benefits of nurses, than SEIU has ever done. SEIU is all about SEIU. CNA is for the nurses. Shame on SEIU!


by bird5 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:55:21 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 6)

Thanks for your comment bird5. We need to hear a lot more about this. Would you like to do a diary??


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:58:24 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (none / 0)

Oh please. Who are you trying to fool when the evidence of CNA trying to muscle in on SEIU and AFSCME is all over the internet.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/head line/biz/5685564.html

CNA has been trying to screw the other unions over in contract negotiations, as well as making overt attempts to muscle in on other unions. Whether you loyalties lie with Hillary or Obama in this election is beside the point. CNA is a crooked union that resorts to underhanded tactics that negatively impacts their fellow unions. Don't be fooled.


by faster democrat kill kill on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:15:11 PM EST
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I cannot stand the SEIU (2.00 / 5)

they run their organization like a burgeoning bureaucracy and have the audacity to encroach, violently and forcefully on the CNA-

I once went to an interview with them, for a communications job. They handed me a propaganda piece that they had obviously spent way too much money on and asked me how I would 'sell it' to the media. Ha!

I told them that the POTUS was the only one that gets to 'sell' propaganda to the media and good luck with that one.

A bunch of fools and apparently bullies too- or at least according to the judge that issued that restraining order.
by linc on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:00:18 PM EST

Re: I cannot stand the SEIU (2.00 / 5)

Yes. SEIU is way, way out of bounds and not supporting other labor organizations. And I plan another article on how Obama and SEIU which is pouring money into his campaign bigtime plan to revamp labor--into a more pro business organiaztion. Barf city


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:05:48 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (1.78 / 14)

"In a pattern of harassment similar to stories of abuse by Obama supporters at state caucuses,"

Jesus, you people are shameless.....


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by WashStateBlue on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:01:09 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (1.70 / 10)

Maybe instead of name calling you could read the story. The harassment is serious just like it has been in a lot of caucuses. these tactics need to be put under a spotlight!


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:04:00 PM EST
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Do you have (2.00 / 9)

documented proof of such harassment or, to be more precise, of a systematic pattern?

Because as we learned from eye-witness accounts from Nevada, specifically thereisnospoon's Daily Kos diaries, there was intimidation going on at caucuses, along with wholesale cheating. Just that the perpetrators were Clinton supporters.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:12:06 PM EST
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Re: Do you have (2.00 / 1)

ROFL. Yessiree. dkos is a great neutral source. Whoah.


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:57:37 PM EST
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You know what? (2.00 / 2)

I provided more sourcing than you did. Which is, to date, zero.

And like, snort, you're in any position to point fingers about neutrality, let alone objectivity.

So yeah, where's your documented proof that Obama supporters engaged in intimidation tactics? An affidavit or credible news report will suffice.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:21:54 PM EST
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Re: Do you have (none / 0)

Oh yea
Like the daily Obama is reliable when it comes to Obama and Clinton.
I had a worker from NV stay with me during the CO caucuses.  Her EYEWITNESS account spoke of overwhelmingly cordial relationships between the camps.  It is the blogosphere and blogs like dkos and huffington that have created the rage and ugliness.

My caucuses here in CO were cordial albeit the Obama folks were a bit on the arrogant elitist side.  They really looked down on working women.


by Jjc2008 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:22:04 PM EST
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Sounds like what was happening (1.45 / 11)

at the caucus in Fort Worth where the records had to be taken to a police station to keep Obummerbots from stealing them.  What a bunch of thugs.


by macmcd on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:10:18 PM EST

Re: Sounds like what was happening (1.85 / 7)

Yes. Exactly. This sort of physical intimidation and harssment is not OK!!


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:12:51 PM EST
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What a disgusting comment. (2.00 / 4)

Hydrated in the interests of hygiene.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:13:27 PM EST
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Re: Sounds like what was happening (2.00 / 8)

So, now we're latte-sipping, elitist, idealistic, unrealistic thugs?

It's kind of hard to hold the coffee while wearing the brass knuckles.


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by jaiwithani on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:41:44 PM EST
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Re: Sounds like what was happening (1.00 / 2)

No one is saying it's you. But I would think Obama supporters would be more concerned. The harassment and intimidation are driving people away from the Precious


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:00:27 PM EST
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Sweet. (2.00 / 3)

"The Precious".

Yeah, you just massively raised the credibility people need to give you with that remark, on top of the diary.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:56:58 PM EST
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Rank-and-file: Andy Stern is a dictator! (1.85 / 7)

I interviewed public employees for a series of stories in 2005. Andy Stern had just begun to take over and consolidate the locals.

The rank-and-file is divided into two groups: the bullies and the democratic-minded ones. Workplace harassment abounded around union election time. People were followed in their cars, one woman even died of a heart attack at her desk.

It's widespread in this union.


by catfish1 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:13:08 PM EST

Stern's muscle works for Obama (1.83 / 6)

That explains the caucus chaos.


by catfish1 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:17:35 PM EST
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Re: Stern's muscle works for Obama (1.83 / 6)

Yes. I think so too. And I think we need to stand up and shout: Not OK. Not in the caucus and not in union hall--or out. I wonder what ballot stuffing and harassment Obama's campaign is planning tomorrow?


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:21:23 PM EST
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Re: Stern's muscle works for Obama (2.00 / 3)

Your well-reasoned and evidence-supported accusations are enlightening and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.


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by jaiwithani on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:42:49 PM EST
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Re: Stern's muscle works for Obama (2.00 / 2)

Why don't you get a video camera, come to Philadelphia, and find out for yourself?

We'll be stuffing from 7:15 - 7:45 pm, strategically, according to delegate projections recorded up to that point.

Which reminds me: Any other Obama supporters in the Philly area know of a good jack-boots distributor? I need a new pair for tomorrow!


by kyle in philly on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:40:05 PM EST
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Re: Rank-and-file: Andy Stern is a dictator! (2.00 / 4)

I was a member of the taxi drivers union  in nyc and went to one union meeting. The goons literally lined the walls wating for the insurgent group I supported to make a peep. I finally left feeling that if I was going to get my head bashed in, it would be over women's rights and not for the cabbies. Tactics like this are serious!!


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:17:59 PM EST
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Still happening in 2005! That blew me away (2.00 / 3)

Yeah I got a bad impression of unions after that. Have since found some are quite good.

SEIU was really bad when it came to union elections.


by catfish1 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:31:49 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 3)

SEIU are a bunch of commie THUGS who are cynical and greedy. They are a bunch of bullies and they next time CNA need to carry bed pans to hit them over the head.


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by carbynew on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:16:03 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 4)

Bed pans, I love it :) thanks carby.


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:18:40 PM EST
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"commie thugs"? (2.00 / 6)

But CNA accuses them of selling out to management.  You need to make up your mind.  Too far left or too far right?

Obama is not SEIU and this is an interlabor dispute that harms the union movement.  

I don't know who is right here, but both SEIU and CNA have done much good for workers.

And so would Obama or Clinton.


by TomP on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:33:01 PM EST
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Re: "commie thugs"? (none / 0)

TomP, please look at the video. This injunction was not granted on a whim. The SEIU tactics are way over the top. Some unions employ thug tactics. I remember when the AFL_CIO took over the farmworkers union in california. It was beyind ugly--to dismiss this injunction  as merely a dispute between two unions is to turn your back on a substantive issue.


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:07:02 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 5)

SEIU are a bunch of commie

FreeRepublic much?
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by jaiwithani on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:44:10 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (1.20 / 5)

Totally unfair...the SEIU and OBAmatots are the clones of the same Barack dirty tactics.

Shame on you Barack Obama.  Control your supporters!


by SHIBAM8P on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:17:36 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (1.66 / 3)

Yes. it is the use of the same tactics that is so disturbing.


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:19:16 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 3)

Barack Obama personally led the charge against the nurses himself.

JESUS. You're blaming Obama for an alleged, unrelated outbreak of harassment from some members of a union which endorsed him. This makes as much sense as blaming the Clintons for all labor-related incidents in the '90's (when they enjoyed uniform union support).

GUYS, this isn't anywhere near making sense anymore! We've fallen past the level of any sort of rational discourse into the void of baseless attacks yelled as loudly as possible.

Your candidate, for all my disagreements with her, is not stooping to this level. Take a lesson.


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by jaiwithani on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:49:25 PM EST
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Here... Let me write a new headline for you: (2.00 / 9)

     Obama Orders SEIU to Harrass Nurses!!!!!!

Wonderful unintentional comedy, as usual, linfar.


by Bob Johnson on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:21:58 PM EST

Re: Here... Let me write a new headline for you: (2.00 / 6)

OBAMA LEADS CHARGE AGAINST NURSES
--elitist thugs arrive in a convoy of volos
--takes their nurses' rifles and later uses them to assault church
--also destroys their beer; replaces with orange juice
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by jaiwithani on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:57:56 PM EST
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'Get me my latte,' one cries! (2.00 / 6)

"I've got some nurses to harrass!"


by Bob Johnson on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:25:17 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 5)

Control your supporters!
WTF?
and "OBAmatots"..did you pick this up at Red State or Hilleryis44?
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by nogo war on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:22:03 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 3)

Not even RedState is as rancid as h44 is nowadays.


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by jaiwithani on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:59:24 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (none / 0)

My favorite thing about Hillary is 44 is that they have some pic of her from  like 1980 or something when she kinda looked like Sharon Stone.

But looks aren't supposed to matter, and if I mention that it does to the voting public, I am a sexist, right?


If you are not voting Obama, please let me know so I can replace your sorry ass with another new voter.
by Darknesse on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:59:22 PM EST
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Leave it to the diarist to make this about Hillary (2.00 / 8)

The SEIU and CNA have been at war long before the SEIU endorsed Obama. It has nothing to do with the election and everything to do with perceived poaching of union members from one union to the other and vice versa.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/24191067/

Linfar wants desperately to connect this somehow to Sen. Obama, but there's no there there. So let me get this straight Linfar. Are you condemning all members of the SEIU and saying that Hillary doesn't want their vote?


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:31:04 PM EST

If linfar had been paying attention... (2.00 / 3)

he/she'd have known that...their ads bashing each other are all over the Dem netroots, including here on MyDD, and have been for ages.

Heck, when I first pulled up this diary, the ad at the bottom was the "Shame on CNA" SEIU ad...and this time, it was the "SEIU: Serving Employers Instead of Us" CNA ad.  Go figure.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:52:05 PM EST
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Re: Leave it to the diarist to make this about Hil (2.00 / 1)

And more to the point - does this mean that if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination, she won't be taking their money?

They have a political arm that could knock over a small mountain.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:52:09 PM EST
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Re: Leave it to the (1.50 / 2)

If you bother to look at the video and visit the cna website, I will answer you. My point and it is valid is that the SEIU uses the same tactics as Obama supporters in caucuses and on election day.


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:09:53 PM EST
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Re: Leave it to the (2.00 / 3)

Except you won't provide any examples of Obama supporters rushing and disrupting Clinton supporters in caucuses and on election day. Forget supporting it with any sort of link, you've repeatedly demurred from giving any examples at all.


by Mobar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:15:12 PM EST
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From what I read here (none / 0)

http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId =5123

Seems like the CNA uses the same tactics as you accuse Obama supporters of using.

Which would be par for the course for Hillary supporters, who often accuse Obama supporters of doing exactly what Hillary supporters do.

Last I heard of the CNA, they tanked an effort by the SEIU to unionize nurses in Ohio, because they figured they could come in later and organize them under the CNA.  Again, I'm sure I can find a clever way to relate this to the Obama-Clinton battle, but really?

The best comparison is that there is nasty, pointless infighting between the two organizations, where neither side is blameless.


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by Drew on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:53:01 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 6)

1. Nice headline (post hoc ergo propter hoc).

2. I'd like to second the request for examples of caucus chaos that involved Obama people intimidating others.

3. The situation with CNA and SEIU is pretty crazy and neither Clinton or Obama has much power at this point to intervene or direct the people in charge to behave in a certain way. And it would be positively INSANE for either candidate to pick a side and throw the other union "under the bus" as some people are constantly demanding.


by Mobar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:43:41 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 2)

The executive leadership of CNA knows that SEIU has a way of supplanting their organization with whatever union they merge with.  It's one of the things that makes them so successful but it leaves a lot of pissed off union execs in their wake.  I had lunch with a one such former union head late last month.

Like other posters have been saying though, this has nothing to do with the primary race.

I've got some AFSCME stories that will make your hair stand on end.  That's my union - they've endorsed Hillary Clinton but their New York locals are fairly solidly pro-Obama, irony of ironies.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:45:55 PM EST

Straight to the top of the Rec list. (2.00 / 5)

It's hilarious.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:46:55 PM EST

FYI: CNA no fan of Clinton (2.00 / 5)

One of CNA's major argument against SEIU is they advocate a mandate-based healthcare plan.  They push for single payer.  I also agree that would be the best plan, but doesn't seem political feasible at the moment.  However, they blast the mandate approach of SEIU and Clinton as Lieberman like corporate giveway, bad policy on scale of the Iraq war.  

A representative of CNA praised Obama for not falling into that trap on Open left

Obama correctly criticizes the mandate approach supported by Mitt Romney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Hillary Clinton and Andy Stern.  Don't lump him in.  Obama noted, "People don't have health insurance not because they don't want it, but because they can't afford it."
....The comparison of SEIU to Lieberman is spot-on.  Cozying up to corporate America: check.  Taking potshots at the Democratic party/House of Labor in a fit of pique: check.  Supporting harmful policies (Iraq War/mandates) on behalf of donors: check.


by labor nrrd on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:05:01 PM EST

Re: FYI: CNA no fan of Clinton (2.00 / 3)

Nice catch.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:11:01 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 1)

Um, isn't this kind of the fall-out from CNA Union-busting in Ohio? I mean from what I've read from seemingly indepent observers the CNA teamed with management to crush the unionization efforts of Ohio healthcare workers.


by Socraticsilence on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:06:14 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 2)

Not quite.  Seiu and the employer had a neutrality agreement (hard fought for by SEIU) that stated neither SEIU or the employer could attempt to influence a union vote.  In an unusual move, the employER filed for the union election with only SEIU on the ballot.  (It's standard to haveo only one union on a ballot as usually any turf wars have been worked out in advance of a vote)  The agreement bypassed the standard signing of cards to call for an election.  (the NLRB requires 30% approval using cards, but no union will call for an election with less than 60%)

A week before the election, CNA began an aggressive campaigning of the nurses encouraging them to vote "no" to representation by SEIU.  They mailed lit and tried to get organizers into the worksites.  The employer banned CNA organizers from the worksites.

Then the EMPLOYER cancelled the election.   Not sure the rationale for the employer filing, but because they filed they had the power to withdraw the petition for an election.  

Because an election never took place and no cards were filed, any attempt to gauge rank and file support is only purely speculative.  There was absolutely NO cooperation between the CNA and the employer so far reported.  

However, what SEIU attempted to do was create a non-hostile environment in which the rank and file could vote without employer harrassment via a neutrality agreement.  With the current Bush NLRB and the pervasiveness of shameless corporate union busting, neutrality agreements are the cutting edge in union organizing of large corporations with multiple worksites.

All the rhetoric flowing both ways is whack, especially from the marginally informed. There are no "union-busters", "thugs" or "corporate shills" in this dog fight -- only a turf war of carefully crafted words and legal maneuvering, some overly zealous believers on both sides and radically different organizing philosophies (both legitimate).  

Mostly what we have here is the challenges inherent to energized growth, challenge of fundamentals and much needed change -- not necessarily a bad sign.


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:55:24 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 6)

This would be a great diary if it just focused on the labor struggles between the unions.

Unfortunately the diarist is trying to score cheap recs by making a baseless claim that this squabble means that Obama is a thug who is directly violating election law to force himself on the American people. Since the diarist jumped to this conclusion, I can only conclude that this diary itself is complete crap.

I would love to rec a diary that focuses on this labor struggle, however.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:09:52 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 1)

This would be a great diary if it just focused on the labor struggles between the unions.

Yeah, but it's pretty obvious that Linfar, who seems to have a lot in common with Zelig (now she was in the cabbie union!), doesn't know much about the intra union battle going on.  

But hey, it gave her a chance to say the union that endorsed Obama is evil, and is really just following Obama's thuggish lead!  Not that she can give a verified example.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:41:58 PM EST
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Linfar is a fantasist (none / 0)

She wouldn't bother writing it unless she could link it to an Obama bash.  I think she is working herself up to another banning.


by interestedbystander on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:43:32 AM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 3)

linfer....
just asking, what is your Union affiliation? (maybe I missed it)
I have been a member of the APWU(Postal Workers)and both national teacher's unions..
As a  current subtitute teacher I have no union.
I am however in negotiations with by daughter and son-in-law over forming a baby-sitter union for my activities with my 3 month old grandson Calvin..
Organizing is ugly on any level.
"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:14:39 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 0)

NEA good.

AFT bad.

Is that still true?  My mother is a teacher but I she's not terribly political.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:20:59 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (1.80 / 5)

Yeah, man. Whenever I was at an Obama meeting, we were always planning how to beat up and intimidate women supporting Hillary. And during the caucuses, we were the ones using Obama's patented power-grabbing tactics while Clinton supporters sat passively, unable to do a thing while we stole all of Clinton's hard-earned votes. Good thing the fine folks at MyDD were there to call us out, or else we never would have stopped.

Honestly. It's as if you're implying that endorsing Obama suddenly turns you into a woman-beating nuthead.


Nothing like a one liner from which someone can judge your entire character.
by motbob on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:20:29 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama (1.50 / 2)

A lot of women have experienced a lot of woman-hating nuthead stuff from Obama side.


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:13:54 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama (2.00 / 2)

Before retreating to the comforting memories of every misogynistic comment you've ever seen directed at Hillary Clinton, could you provide some of those examples of Obama supporters rushing polling places and starting scuffles?

I went looking for some on my own, but couldn't find any. I did find this:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2008/01/12/taken_for_granite.html

It doesn't involve physical attacks, but it does involve the Clinton people pushing to have Obama vote observers removed from the polls. I guess at first it could have been an honest misunderstanding - the Clinton folks had asked for challengers not observers and had been told "no" and when they saw Obama's observers they mistook them for challengers.

But the point at which it became clear these people were only updating GOTV phone lists, the Clinton folks should have backed off. I certainly hope the Clinton camp's request to place challengers was not motivated by a desire to actually challenge voters. (In my state, the Democratic "challengers" mostly challenge the 95 year old election judges who've misunderstood the rules and are wrongfully denying someone the vote)


by Mobar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:48:55 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama (2.00 / 1)

A poorly written diary. If you really want to show interest in Democratic Party politics, you would bother to have covered this separate from your worship of Hillary and hatred of Obama.

People do write diaries about topics not related to the primary. I do it and so do others. How about showing interest in this issue using a union squabble angle?


by Pravin on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:14:10 PM EST
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linfa, you have claimed to be a former AP reporter (2.00 / 5)

As such, you know that facts matter.

You also know, then, that SEIU and the nurses union have been battling for a number of years on this issue, long before any endorsement of Obama was ever made.

In other words, the endorsement of Obama is a non sequitur with the nurse union issue.

Why do you feel compelled to twist the facts like this all the time just to tear down Obama?


by Bob Johnson on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:35:16 PM EST

GOP press release (2.00 / 3)

This is literally a GOP Press release.  It also demonstrates that you don't need to know anything about an issue to post it on mydd.  

Here's the OpenLeft article from Matt Stoller.  CNA is not some aggrieved party here.  

And the California GOP have released basically the same thing.

The Mydd Pro-Hillary diaries are increasingly indistinguishable from GOP press releases.  Think about that.


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:49:25 PM EST

Re: GOP press release (1.50 / 2)

This right off the cna website--follow the linky!! the ccusations of rethug talking pts. whenever obama people don't like something is growing old and tiresome.


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:54:55 PM EST
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Re: GOP press release (2.00 / 2)

No, your spinning of the CNA's dispute with SEIU into an anti-Obama piece is actually, quite literally, a GOP press release.  Read it.

The CNA doesn't mention Barack Obama at all because he has nothing to do with this.  You and the GOP do, in identical ways.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:02:17 PM EST
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Re: GOP press release (1.00 / 6)

Who has endorsed Barack Obama?

Who has received sizable support and money from SEIU?

Who has been accused of tactics identical to what SEIU is accused of when CNA got the injunction.

Nobody is stretching anything here


by linfar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:15:43 PM EST
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Re: GOP press release (2.00 / 1)

I know its been asked a couple times, but could you please support  your claim of Obama supporters being accused of tactics such as "throwing punches and shoving people to the ground."  If you can't, then your diary is misleading to put it lightly.


by reggie23 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:44:00 PM EST
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Re: GOP press release (none / 0)

If SEIU endorsed Hillary, do you seriously think she would have refused it? I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton sent her surrogates to receive their endorsrement.


by Pravin on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:15:53 PM EST
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Re: GOP press release (none / 0)

She was desperate for the SEIU endorsement in Nevada, and when she fell out of contention, she very cleverly did an end around and had the "Nevada Nurses for Hillary" endorse her instead.

I don't know enough about the SEIU/CNA dispute to comment on the merits, but acting like Clinton wasn't also chasing after the SEIU endorsement is laughable.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:18:48 PM EST
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John Edwards? n/t (none / 0)


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:24:29 PM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 0)

Someone please get the hanna barbera cartoon image of a nurse yanking on Andy Stern's hair only to reveal Barack Obama behind a mask saying "and I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

...out of my head.  Actually, no - leave it where it is; it's funny.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:50:27 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 1)

Okay full disclosure.  I am a former union organizer and activist.  I belong to a union right now (Washington State Public Employees) and have worked for SEIU, UFCW and AFL-CIO.  So I have worked for and with many dogs in this fight including CNA and their affiliates.

In short - CNA represents the worst of unions.  They are elitist (they hate the idea that SEIU has the temerity to organizer nurses and put them in the same union as those lowly aides, techs and housekeepers), lazy and don't organize.  The represent (along with a few others I can name) the old guard mentality of unionism with an emphasis on keeping what you have first and organizing second.  SEIU has ruffled more than a few feathers with a much more radical approach to organizing that is far more forward thinking.  Not that there stuff doesnt stink - I have some serious qualms about Andy Stern and the leadership in D.C.  But st the locals level they "get it".

Finally, CNA singlehandedly set back the labor movement years in framing the "fair election ground rules" as somehow undemocratic.  The whole point of setting ground rules is that the Bush Admin National Labor Relations Board simply does not protect workers from abuses by bosses during an election for an union.  Fair Election Ground Rules simply state the employer must follow the same rules we use to elect everyone from dogcatcher to President.  

In this respect CNA is standing with Bush.

The only comparison here that is valid is the organizing style.  SEIU/Obama = grassroots and boots on the ground CNA/Hillary =  old school use of media instead of organizing.


by FinneganOregon on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:57:57 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (none / 0)

I've been suspicious of SEIU leadership all along. In 2004 they were trash talking about the union I belong to that does help it's members in contract disputes- AFSCME. SEIU leadership has shown quite a fawning friendship with corporate over their union people.  


by K1966 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:06:01 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (none / 0)

Really?  What's your local?

The people I know in AFSCME are in awe of SEIU and view the people around McEntee, and the international in general, with a healthy dose of contempt.

-DC37


by Mostly on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:39:19 AM EST
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Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (none / 0)

Oh, I agree with you about AFSCME in general - they're very good in looking after their members (although being a public sector union they aren't dealing with the full weight of anti-union tactics that private-sector unions have to deal with.  Mostly.)  Their political arm are a bunch of suckups though, and they pull all sorts of horseshit internally.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:42:24 AM EST
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What a weird diary (none / 0)

Trying to connect alleged Obama supporter misconduct in caucuses to this labor squabble. Why not just come out and accuse Obama of being the antichrist?


by Bipolar Disorder Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:07:56 PM EST

this is a ridiculous diary (none / 0)

The presidential contest and the SEIU and CNA conflict have nothing to do with each other.

Lots of unions have endorsed Clinton and lots of have endorsed Obama. A few had endorsed Edwards earlier. There are good and bad unions on both sides.

Yes Andy Stern is a abomination to the labor movement. He totally disgusts me. I am intimately familar with SEIU's methods and they are repugnant to all decent trade unionists. And the people here defending Stern are mostly on his payroll and they will say anything.

CNA is lead by progressive unionists, unlike the
corporate toady Stern.

for details on Sternism and how it is destroying SEIU as a union

see this post
http://bensonsudblog.blogspot.com/2008/0 4/on-democratic-centralism-sterns.html

But that being said, I preferred Edwards in the beginning, and now I prefer Obama to Clinton.


by aenglish on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:20:11 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (none / 0)

As a member and staff person of United Healthcare Workers, West, an SEIU local in California that is both leading the charge to reform SEIU and make it a better and stronger union and proud to support Obama, I had to laugh when I read this post.

SEIU is not a monolithic organization, despite the desires of the DC leadership to centralize decision making and power.  You can also rest assured that the forces of centralization of power within SEIU where not the ones leading the charge for the Obama endorsement.

The behavior in Detroit by some SEIU members and staff was indefensible, but the CNA's house is built of glass. They are more than happy to play union buster and also more than willing to sign the same sort of deals that they decry when it suits their interests.  

Let us not forget that CNA proudly endorsed Ralph Nader in 2000 and attacked SEIU for, among other things, endorsing Al Gore. (As a senior in college, I also backed Nader.) Though to hear some of you talk, you'd think Hillary plans to ask Nader to be her VP.  

There is a real fight within the house of SEIU. One side wants a bottom up, social movement approach to unionism. The other wants to centralize power in DC. Come to think of it, it sounds a lot like the two candidates running for president. Let's work and hope that the bottom up approach carries the day in both.


by AllergicToBS on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:49:27 PM EST

Re: SEIU Endorses Obama then Assaults CNA (2.00 / 1)

It seems to me that the CNA is involved in a stupid, zero-sum game with SEIU; they're both trying to organize the same people.  Even looking at this from the point of view of the CNA they're on weak ground; they're whole argument hinges on their belief that nurses should have their own union separate from other hospital workers.  That's the tired old AFL model.  It's elitist and leads to weaker unions more susceptible to divide-and-conquer strategies.

For structural reasons they're going to see SEIU as a threat.  Nurses are very much within the SEIU's organizing bailiwick, and given that SEIU is much larger, organizes and expands ferociously, and has a tendency to decapitate the leadership of other unions it bumps up against they're going to resist for ultimately selfish reasons, although I'm quite sure they believe that they have the best interests of nurses at heart, and I understand their leadership is fairly progressive.  But from a pro-union standpoint, they're in the wrong here.

I don't really have any opinion on the charges of intimidation and violence going back and forth.  Both unions probably have legitimate grievances and overzealous members.  And, of course, none of this has anything to do with the current Democratic party primary.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:32:21 AM EST


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