Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!!

And they not only endorse Hillary, but they point to exact examples and facts supporting their endorsement.  They don't just resort to being a mouth piece repeating empty rhetoric and talking points handed over by a campaign.

And they also call out their fellow newspaper colleagues and reporters for their hollow rhetoric and projecting the same.

Those who have endorsed Obama have rhetorically swooned, too, designating him the future of American politics, while denigrating Clinton as a relic of politics past.

How ironic, since Obama owes no small part of his success to the grooming and support of Chicago's old-line Daley political machine.

The Tribune acknowledges, as they put it, everyone "utters stupidities", yet

Everyone utters stupidities now and then. Yet taken together and uttered repeatedly, they sound like a pattern of thought in the Obama household. It's a pattern the nation can't afford in the White House.

But in the end,

In sharp contrast, Clinton is far more experienced in government -- as an engaged first lady to a governor and a president, as a second-term senator in her own right.

She has a real voting record on key issues. Agree with her or not, you at least know where she stands instead of being forced to wonder.

...

More important, she is extremely knowledgeable on crucial foreign issues. Meeting with Trib editors last month, she ticked off an impressive list of international challenges and the solutions. (In Wednesday's Philadelphia debate, Obama praised George H.W. Bush's foreign policy -- apparently not realizing that one of its architects was then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, a man he regularly excoriates.)

They do go on to say how Hillary just won them over.  Starting with her not walking away from their offer to speak with them, after years of criticism from them.

As we noted at the time of that meeting, Clinton's decision to sit down with the Trib was courageous, given our longstanding criticism of her. That is no small matter: Political courage is essential in a president. Clinton has demonstrated it; Obama has not.

And they summed it up with:

She has a real record. He doesn't.

She has experience of value to a president. He doesn't.

Clearly, she's the wiser choice to represent Democrats this fall.

Pennsylvania, then on to Pennsylvania Avenue, President Hillary.



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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.96 / 27)

That's Richard Mellon Scaife's outfit, you know.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:35:26 AM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.95 / 23)

I'd also add that that's an endorsement I don't want.  I don't think Obama even interviewed with them - they're total trash.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:36:28 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 6)

Oh, yes, we can tell by the endorsements you all like to tout!   lol

...would you ever declare you wished you received the endorsement that you didn't get?


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:40:58 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 11)

I'll give you a list of endorsements I wouldn't want.

The Pittsburgh-Tribune Gazette.
The New York Post (which actually endorsed Obama).
The Washington Times.

I'll add others when I think of them.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:44:12 AM EST
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The Philadelphia Inquirer is (none / 0)

a pseudo newspaper with heavy republican leanings.  There were stacks of free issues all over a hotel I stayed in a while back.  


by internetstar on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:55:05 PM EST
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Oh nos a free paper! (2.00 / 2)

Now who's being elitist.


by DSloth on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:00:59 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.60 / 5)

How in the world is this a recommended diary?  Are Clinton supporters really this delusional?  Its mind boggling to think that this endorsement is seen as some huge positive for the campaign.

Sometimes I think that if Fred Phelps came out and endorsed Hillary, there would be 5 different diaries about it within 5 minutes, all talking about how she reaches out to all voters and can unite the country.


by KevinT on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:58:09 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

You know that these are the same people that basically accused HRC of MURDERING Vince Foster right?  You do know that?  You can't honestly be that delusional...or can you?


by Rockville Liberal on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:53:22 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.00 / 0)

Embrace your enemy, even when they are misguided. I thought that is our new foreign policy. Why cant we apply that at home first?


by Sandeep on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:16:05 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Sure if we use Obama's plan - however if we use Clinton's, shouldn't there be pre-conditions?  Like them stating that she didn't kill Vince Foster?  Or is this another case of Hillary not really meaning what she says?


by Rockville Liberal on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:49:21 PM EST
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This is probably the first time in a long time (1.75 / 4)

that I enjoyed Recommending a "pro"-Hillary diary.

Let's spread this "wonderful" news. (Ugh, I think I just vomited a little in my mouth.)


by John Campanelli on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:59:46 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.00 / 1)

And yet when David Brooks was swooning over Obama a few months back (before he switched his tune, as I knew he would eventually), Obama supporters thought it was great and said it showed how he appeals to Republicans as well as Democrats.

What's good for the gander should be good for the goose, too, right?


by Montague on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:48:37 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

Disagree with you - I don't remember Obama supporters basing a whole diary with David Brooks as a sole source (as I saw yesterday) but uprating because it was not a trollable remark.


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:28:55 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Granted, that was back when I was still hanging at DKos, so I'm probably thinking of that place.  It's fine to disagree in good faith, which we are doing.


by Montague on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:21:13 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 5)

Yes, are you going to start going through the list of all the owners for the papers that may have endorse Obama?  lol


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:41:43 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.87 / 8)

Don't tell me you've never heard of Richard Mellon Scaife.

I'll give you another one: Rupert Murdoch.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:44:57 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 4)

This is the enemy of my enemy is my friend... same reason Fox News gets cited by some as being fair and  balanced...

This paper is in the bag for McCain by the way, so even if Clinton gets the nom, they will come out swinging against her in the Fall...

Still, an endorsement is an endorsement and this is good visibility for her campaign since most people don't give a crap about the the $$$ source.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:50:40 AM EST
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A unity moment (1.80 / 5)

I think both Hillary and Obama supporters can gather round and unify in rec'ing this diary

1. Hillary supporters: an endorsement from a PA newspaper at last, after half a dozen endorsing you know who

2. Obama supporters; this is where triangulation leads you. Ultimately you pitch your tent pole in the GOP tent.

Please ensure this makes it to the top of the rec list as an example to us all.


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:31:29 PM EST
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Re: A unity moment (2.00 / 0)

Whenever the word triangulation comes up, all I remember is one person saying something 2 weeks back and then triangulating with uhs & ums 2 weeks later on a nationally watched debate.

That day I realized that this person is really a hypocrite. And I might have to vote for such a person in fall:-)

By the way, his triangulation on drivers license will be very costly in fall and I just hope he isnt the nominee.


by Sandeep on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:24:33 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 6)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/pol itics/special/clinton/stories/scaifemain 050299b.htm

"Even before the Arkansas Project had gotten underway, Scaife personally hired a former New York Post reporter named Christopher Ruddy to write about Foster's death for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the daily newspaper Scaife has owned since 1969. Ruddy's stories about Foster's death - most of them challenging the suicide theory, without offering an alternative explanation - began to appear in January 1995."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:58:18 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 8)

Comical that someone thinks an endorsement from Scaife is a good thing.  Someone needs a Blogosphere 101 class. Or at least a VRWC 101 class.

And, there is no doubt that Scaife wants HRC to run against McCain so he can continue to attack her and Bill and get McCain elected.


by dannyinla on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:43:07 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 3)

Yeah, I guess they don't mind that she killed Vince Foster after all.

/snark


by rhetoricus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:57:40 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

Apparently the VWRC is ok now.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:23:58 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 9)

These folks funded the Arkansas Project that made up very nasty stories about Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Well, you know, politics really does make strange bedfellows.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:41:44 AM EST

It's because they'd rather face her (2.00 / 6)

..in the Fall.

Scaife is no friend to the Clintons--Scaife's paper is the origin of the "vast right wing conspiracy" that includes the accusation that Hillary killed Vince Foster.

They are "backing" her so they can back-stab her more easily if she's the nominee.


by rhetoricus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:01:58 PM EST
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Richard Mellon Scabies n/t (2.00 / 1)


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing racism,sexism,homophobism, ageism and ethnocentrism.
by NeciVelez on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:47:37 PM EST
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Hillary soliciting the help of Richard Scaife... (none / 0)

...is like the tottering Roman Empire inviting barbarian warlords to its defense. That played out well.

I know what Scaife is thinking. But what does Hillary think she knows that she thinks Scaife doesn't know? Scaife is not personally invested into this contest the way that Clinton is, so he doesn't risk the kind of face-saving self-deception that could cause Clinton to overplay her hand.

Scaife is already a hero with his tribe the moment this endorsement hit the wires. They understand what he is doing and have a word for it, or two: Mega-dittoes, Rush.


by baudelairien on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:23:31 AM EST
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Funny you should mention... (2.00 / 1)


(AP) Could it be the "vast right wing conspiracy" is having second thoughts?

Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton was endorsed Sunday by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, whose owner and publisher, billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, personally funded many of the investigations that led to President Clinton's impeachment in 1998.

Strange Bedfellows: Hillary And Scaife CBS 19 Apr 08


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:56:38 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Strange bedfellows indeed.  Like, say, Mr. New Politics Obama and the Chicago patronage machine.


by Montague on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:50:08 PM EST
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back in the day (2.00 / 7)

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/04/2 7/scaife.profile/
"Who is Richard Scaife? He's a 65-year-old billionaire Republican wielding power from the shadows.

According to President Bill Clinton's allies, he's the main money man behind a right-wing anti-Clinton conspiracy, attacking with his money. Former White House counsel Lanny Davis argues, "He's using it to destroy a president of the United States."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:47:21 AM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.70 / 10)

Waiting for the trolls to say that this is an endorsement we don't want.

And wouldn't that be ironic, coming from a group that claims to be able to work across party lines?  I wonder if that will be Obama's approach to "bi-partisan" legislation: and a Republican co-signer is one endorsement I don't want.

Mm hmm.

While Obama talks about reaching across the aisle, Hillary has actually done it.  And she shows you this capacity again with this endorsement.  You see, for Obama, "unity" means "see things my way".  If everyone would just buy into his advertising, we'd all be unified?  We might even put down our guns and stop going to church so damned much.

That's not unity folks.  We've seen the results of "you're with us, or you're against us."

We know better.

We don't to go down that road.

If one of Hillary's greatest enemies is willing to take a second look at her, can't you?


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:50:12 AM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 7)

Gosh, I see that I take too long to write.  The trolls beat me to the punch, missing the point entirely.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:50:52 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 13)

Hey, take it. But if you think Scaife has the interests of the Democratic party in mind, I have some land in Arkansas you might want to take a look at.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:51:43 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.66 / 9)

You mean like Republicans Strategists Frank Luntz and Karl Rove who are helping and offering assistance to Obama?  LOL


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:59:45 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 3)

meh...  it's whether or not he takes their advice that matters... or do you not remember Bill Clinton complimenting Karl Rove for 2004's race and saying they should talk politics some time...?


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:02:47 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.75 / 4)

He did take his advice, by the way, not that I feel this is particularly meaningful.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:18:03 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

Distillery, after you are done troll rating me, look up the "advice" that Karl Rove gave to Obama's campaign, and look at what Obama's campaign did immediately afterwards.

They followed his advice pretty closely.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:58:24 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Whaa???


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:03:56 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

First of all, if he did take their advice, we wouldnt be touting it as some great thing like you just did of the Tribune Review's endorsement.


by Pravin on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:43:21 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, it also implies that Obama sought Rove's advice (he did not), and that Rove's particular "advice" is something absolutely nobody else could have thought of on their own. That also is giving Rove too much credit.


by rhetoricus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:36:20 PM EST
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This Karl Rove? (2.00 / 1)

You mean like Republicans Strategists Frank Luntz and Karl Rove who are helping and offering assistance to Obama?  LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTGbI8pzv qk

"Thank you, Karl!!"

The guy who funded the Arkansas project and the architect of Swiftboating want Hillary Clinton to be McCain's opponent.

Huh. Think of that.


by BlueinColorado on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:14:30 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Did either ENDORSE  Obama?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:28:31 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 7)


So, basically, your definition of "troll" is "anyone that supports Obama" or is it "anyone that disagrees with me"...?

I'm trying to get this straight so I can accurately judge my TR's....


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:51:54 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 5)

Nope.  Keep trying.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:54:20 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.50 / 4)

When bobbank uses words, they mean exactly what he wants them to mean.


by username2 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:58:06 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 5)

Hey, it was an apt question...

When Richardson endorsed, there were Clinton supporters that said it was an endorsement they didn't want... same with Kennedy, Nunn, and Bowen, and some others...  are those people trolls...?  No, they are making the best of the situation they have...

Any endorsement is a good endorsement as it amounts to coverage in a news cycle.

But, a definition for what you consider a troll would be helpful, because the loose one in your post above, "saying it is an endorsement they don't want..."  crickey... that's been said a lot on both sides.... so I don't see how it is troll-ish.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:01:16 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 4)

I'll respond to that.

Richardson is slime.  I have known this since 2004 when he played a pivotal role is sabotaging John Kerry's election for the sake of local politics in New Mexico.  You can read more about that in the excellent book Armed Madhouse.

I would never have said it was endorsement we wouldn't want, though.  So yes, I think folks that were saying that were just exhibiting sour grapes.

If people want to point out the bitter blood between this paper and the Clintons, that's fine.  Once you get into conspiracy theories about how this is just about shadowy Republicans trying to sabotage 08, you're in troll territory.  The real story here is very simple: Hillary confronted these people and gave them their first, face-to-face meeting.  They walked away realizing, in their own words, that they had been wrong about her.

Does it mean I love them?  Nope.  I have actually had some e-mail correspondence with their editor over the past few weeks - it hasn't all been flowery.  But this endorsement is testiment to what reaching across to the other side actually looks like, in real life.

I'm sorry but I've simply never seen any example of Obama exibiting that kind of leadership, except with the google bill he co-auhtored with the Republican that he equated to being a terrorist during the debate.  If you have other examples of Obama reaching across to an enemy and making peace, I'd consider it very constructive for you to share them.  Because this is something Hillary has done for two terms as a Senator now, and everybody knows it.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:15:50 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 3)

Well, your view of Republicans is different than mine, so I don't think I can rise to your challenge... you see them as the enemy... I see them as adversaries... nothing more dark and sinister than that.

Beyond that, if you switch almost all of the words in your post around, it works too... that is usually my point on this blog... and this post is no exception.

Senator Obama did not equate Senator Coburn with a terrorist and you know it... I guess his point, which was well-made was lost on some... which is a shame... Why don't we ask Republicans to be held accountable for some of their more irrational and ill-conceived rhetoric....?

Beyond that, I would throw Senator Lugar's name into the mix... as Obama and he cosponsored a bill.


"If you ever post anything on that website again, I will shove a motherboard so far up your a$$...!" C.J Cregg
by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:23:20 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

You can play semantics with enemy and adversary if you want.  It completely dodges the point, but that's fine.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:01:59 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Two things:

You used the word enemy in your post above and now you changed in few minutes to play semantics. That reduces the respect one may have to your thoughts.

Lugar is not an adversary. You need a better example.


by Sandeep on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:48:04 AM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

I agree that Palast's Armed Madhouse was a revelation (and that Richardson is a bit on the slimy side).


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:14:56 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 4)

WELL SAID!


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:00:39 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 5)

"While Obama talks about reaching across the aisle, Hillary has actually done it."

Yeah, all the way across the aisle, down the street, and into the right-wing gutter.

Very impressive "reach".


by edmandspath on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:12:36 PM EST
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Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

Don't feel bad. Rupert Murdoch still has Obama's back, as evidenced by The New York Post.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:17:36 PM EST
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Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for now) (2.00 / 5)

Here's a piece on Rupert's endorsement of Obama.

Now, perhaps you can link me to something showing Obama sitting down for a nice long strategy session with Mr. Murdoch ala Hillary and Richard.
Take your time.


by edmandspath on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:30:37 PM EST
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Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (2.00 / 2)

Strategy session? I thought that she merely sat down with him and his editorial board to vie for the endorsement of the Pittsburgh Tribune, just as Obama has done on numerous occasions with other newspapers. That's one thing that I actually admire about Hillary -- he willingness to enter hostile territory in an attempt to win over her enemies. To me it was similar to her willingness to appear at Yearly Kos, even though she knew that she was not well respected by the Kossack community. How did her meeting with Scaife become a "nice long strategy session." Is there something I don't know about?


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:48:25 PM EST
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Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (2.00 / 5)

Let's see...looking for the part where Obama goes to meet with Murdoch (for any length of time)....hmmmm...nope, don't see it in your post.

Let me know when you find something about Obama pursuing a meeting with Murdoch. For coffee, even.

Don't keep us on the edge of our seats, now!


by edmandspath on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:15:53 PM EST
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Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (2.00 / 1)

Did I ever say that Obama met with Murdoch? I merely pointed out that Murdoch has Obama's back. He even front-paged the bogus Daily Kos story about how the Clinton campaign supposedly "darkened" Obama's image in their Ohio attack ad (that story also made it to Murdoch papers as far away as Austalia). It's a great service because now that I don't check out the Daily Kos any more I know that the worst of its histrionics will still make it back to me on the cover of The New York Post.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:28:07 PM EST
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Richard Loves Hillary 4ever- confirmed (2.00 / 6)

"Did I ever say that Obama met with Murdoch?"

No, and it appears he did not. And would not.

Unlike Hillary's eager embrace of the right-wing slimebag Scaife.

Glad we are clear on that point.


by edmandspath on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:34:43 PM EST
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Let's not persecute people for (2.00 / 2)

meetings.  If Barack Obama is President he plans to meet with Kim J Il and Achmedinejad.  Will you be crucifying him then?


by activatedbybush on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:09:32 PM EST
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Re: Let's not persecute people for (2.00 / 2)

If he sought their endorsement in a political election... yeah, that'd be pretty slimy.


You haven't seen impatient until you've seen a monkey waiting for a donut.
by bjones on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:58:17 PM EST
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Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (none / 0)

So you mean Obama doesnt have the guts to sit down with enemy for coffee?

I thought he preached otherwise.


by Sandeep on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:49:58 AM EST
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Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (none / 0)

You thought wrong. "Sitting down with (sic) enemy for coffee" doesn't require guts, not with this "enemy". It does require abdicating any claim to self respect, though.
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:06:35 AM EST
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Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (2.00 / 1)

It was an extensive meeting and the majority of it was spent discussing foreign strategy.


by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:05:13 PM EST
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Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (2.00 / 0)

Exactly! But to be clear, she did all the talking as she was seeking the endorsement of the Pittsburgh Tribune, just as Obama has done dozens of times with other newspaper editorial boards. It was not, as implied by the first commenter, a "strategy session" between Clinton and Scaife.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:12:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary Embraces Right-Wing Hydra (2.00 / 3)

"....just as Obama has done dozens of times with other newspaper editorial boards."

The significant difference being that the editorial boards he met with, none of them, were right-wing rags like Scaife's outfit.

There really is no comparison, but thanks for playing.


by edmandspath on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:30:00 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Embraces Right-Wing Hydra (none / 0)

But Obama loves to boast of his associations with right-wingers such as Tom Coburn. He's said repeatedly that he wants to bring everyone to the table. So how is Clinton's willingness to meet with the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Tribume such as bad thing, going by Obama's own stated philosophy?


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:33:29 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Embraces Right-Wing Hydra (2.00 / 3)

Working together on a specific project, or bill, is something all Congresspeople do. Not every concern that falls before the Congress is clearly partisan.

That is different than a partisan activist (who is NOT a legislator) endorsing a candidate. Whether it's Scaife or Murdoch, these guys have the interests of the right wing and the Republican party in mind, and nothing else. Anything they do is looking to a greater picture that will benefit the GOP. An endorsement of Hillary is a signal they'd rather face her in the Fall.

The same goes for Murdoch, which is why you don't generally see Obama folks proudly announcing the endorsement of the Moonie Times or the New York Post.


by rhetoricus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:33:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Embraces Right-Wing Hydra (2.00 / 1)

But how can it be a bad thing to neutralize your enemies? If Hillary should become president, I would rather not have a replay of the 1990s, thank you very much.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:24:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary Embraces Right-Wing Hydra (none / 0)

Do you really think they would let their endorsement stand, should Hillary become even the nominee - never mind staying silent should she win the GE? Do you think Scaife's decades-long all-out war against the Clintons had less to do with ideology than with an inexplicable personal animosity for them - one that her groveling has now magically cured?
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:20:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (2.00 / 3)

I'm sorry, but how do you sit across the table from the very man who funded Arkansas project that got your husband impeached as President of the United States.

I like Hillary, she's smart, capable, funny and genuinely wonky (which is what I like most about her).  I don't always agree with the things she says or does, and this is one of those times.  If you look at the tape, she looks so defeated sitting there.  Why do it? Why sit at the same table as the man who tried to destroy you and your entire family? I'm sorry, this is something I will never understand. Political expedience can never make up for selling your soul.


by Kyrial on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (none / 0)

It was smart -- why should she try to win over her enemies? Isn't that better than keeping the hostilities alive and well? And how did she sell her soul in meeting with Scaife and his editorial board?

For the life of me, I don't get why people are upset about this.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:27:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (none / 0)

Oh, she didn't sell her soul when she met with Scaife - just her last ounce of dignity and any lingering trace of self-respect.
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:23:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Richard Loves Hillary 4ever ( or at least for (none / 0)

Whatever you say. To me it appears that she still has plenty of dignity and self-repect.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:27:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Or.. (2.00 / 2)

...a link to Obama or his supporters proudly announcing the endorsement of these rags.

The candidates don't always control who endorses them. They control whether or not they flaunt or communication appreciation for the endorsement.

Obama should want the endorsement of the NY Post or the Moonie Times as much as he'd want a case of the clap.


by rhetoricus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:39:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Or.. (1.00 / 2)

But bespite being owned by Scaife, The Pittsburgh Trbune-Review is actually a widely respected newspaper (unlike The Washington Times or The New York Post). As wikipedia points out:

The newspaper is known for its lengthy investigations into allegations of corruption, government malfeasance, social injustice, and complex sports issues.

Carl Prine, an investigative reporter for the newspaper, conducted a probe with the CBS news magazine 60 Minutes that highlighted the lack of security at the nation's most dangerous chemical plants following the September 11, 2001 attacks. The reporters were charged with trespassing at one plant during their investigation, but were acquitted when the judge accepted that the story had been in the public interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_ Tribune-Review

Hillary has every reason to be proud of winning the endorsement of this newspaper.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:52:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Or.. (1.00 / 2)

Sure it's "widely respected". Like slop troughs are widely respected by swine.
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:28:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Or.. (1.00 / 2)

The afore-mentioned swine being rabid right-wing knuckle-draggers that eat this kind of swill up.
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:11:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Or.. (1.00 / 1)

This post shows a staggering lack of knowledge about how newspapers work, and, especially, how newspaper editorials and endorsements work.

Simply put, nothing that the Tribune-Review does on any other page has any bearing on its editorial board, which is, without question, less respected than even the New York Post's or the Washington Times'.


by DeskHack on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:59:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

right (2.00 / 1)

you hide a comment that is substantive, documented, and positive, and expresses a poster's viewpoint, and you respond with this?

Like you know it all?

Laughable.  TR'd


by 4justice on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:06:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Or.. (none / 0)

Look, I know that the editorial board has libertarian and conservative leanings and was simply awful to the Clintons in the 1990s, but to say that it is "without question, less respected than even the New York Post's or the Washington Times'" is also ridiculous -- The Washington Times has had charges of rampant racism leveled at its editorial board and The New York Post is the vanity paper for the rantings of Rupert Murdoch. I have no idea whether Scaife eased up on the Clintons for the reasons he gives -- namely his respect for the humanitarian work Bill Clinton has done since leaving the White House -- or for more sinister reasons. But I don't have a problem with Hillary's taking advantage of this opening to neutralize a potential critic. Between this and her willingness to appear on Olbermann tonight, you have to give her credit for this much -- she's one tough cookie.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:21:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What Hillary did to get Scaife's endorsement... (2.00 / 2)

... was more like a reach-around than a reach-over.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:09:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

Trolls? This guy isn't an honest Republican with whom Democrats can and should work with. He is the epitome of everything wrong in America. Might as well get Lord Voledemort's endorsement.

To borrow from a right-wing parallel, seeking an endorsement from Richard Mellon Scaife is like negotiating with Al Qaeda.


by elrod on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:18:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Carville on Scaife (2.00 / 4)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/pol itics/special/clinton/stories/scaifemain 050299.htm

Scaife did get involved in numerous anti-Clinton activities. He gave $2.3 million to the American Spectator magazine to dig up dirt on Clinton and supported other conservative groups that harassed the president and his administration. The White House and its allies responded by fingering Scaife as the central figure in "a vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president," as Hillary Rodham Clinton described it. James Carville, Clinton's former campaign aide and rabid defender, called Scaife "the archconservative godfather in [a] heavily funded war against the president."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:53:56 AM EST

Re: Carville on Scaife (2.00 / 4)

Thanks for the rec'd.  See, everyone can come around


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:01:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Carville on Scaife (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for the laugh!


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:04:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Carville on Scaife (2.00 / 2)

My pleasure and btw, does this now mean Carvile is an Obama supporter?


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:08:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Carville on Scaife (2.00 / 0)

I think a course in logic is in order.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:58:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Carville on Scaife (2.00 / 3)

You do know what Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos is, don't you?  I'm sorry Linda, I have enough respect for you to assume you have diarised this endorsement through innocent enthusiasm but you really need to look into the background on Scaife and the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.  This is an endorsement likely to make superdelegates wince or roll their eyes.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:48:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Carville on Scaife (none / 0)

Linda, you do realize that these recs seek only to highlight your naivety in cheering on this "endorsement", right?
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:37:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary sat down with this man (2.00 / 1)

He was in the room the day she spoke to the Tribune-Review Editorial Board. What could have been a very contentious and difficult conversation was begun by Hillary telling a joke on herself that erupted the whole room with laughter http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbur ghtrib/opinion/s_559659.html

The op-ed linked above is written by Mr. Scaife himself and illustrates as well as any other incident in the past four weeks Hillary's ability to "win others over" to work on areas of common purpose.

It's really not about the past, it's about the future and who is BEST PREPARED to deliver results. The Tribune-Review's endorsement


by pan230oh on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:14:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

One of the reasons I am supporting Sen. Clinton (2.00 / 5)

is her willingness to work across party lines (her demonstrated ability to transcend divisions).  That is a quality quite missing in Sen. Obama (despite the rhetoric).

This endorsement embodies it.  I am impressed that she even tried (let alone manage) to get this endorsement from the Mellon himself


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:09:29 PM EST

Re: One of the reasons I am supporting Sen. Clinto (2.00 / 0)

Are you serious? Or just naive?  Scaife is akin to a terrorist. He is not an honest conservative opponent. He's a thug.


by elrod on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:20:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: One of the reasons I am supporting Sen. Clinto (none / 0)

Are you serious ? Or just naive ??

What exactly has Scaife done to earn that moniker of a terrorist from you ?

And what happened to "negotiations without precoditions" ??

And where did "transcending divisions" go ?

I did not read the fine print where it said that you could only negotiate with "honest" opponents !!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:12:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary Back in Bed With Scaife (1.83 / 6)

Hillary Clinton hugs the vast right-wing conspiracy

Mar 26, 2008 - seems like ages ago, doesn't it?

Hint: Cozying up to right-wing sleaze mongers isn't "reaching across the aisle" - It's called "selling out".

Reminds me of that picture of McCain hugging Bush after Georgie's disgusting push-polling of McSame.

Bleeeech.
by edmandspath on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:21:59 PM EST

you poor things stoop to any low level (2.00 / 0)

Now you claim Hillary's in bed with Scaife.  

Well, we have to give you credit, you never cease to amaze even us.  lol


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:53:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here we go... (2.00 / 3)

It's a figure of speech, but perhaps you can willfully ignore that and spin it into the next "Outrage Diary".


by edmandspath on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:01:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you poor things stoop to any low level (none / 0)

Et tu, Brit? Your rating, that is.
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:16:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (2.00 / 5)

The Right is so afraid of Obama, even the leader of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" is trying to get Hillary the nomination.


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:24:20 PM EST

Endorsed And Bankrolled Santorum (2.00 / 2)

Santorum was Scaifes little boy scout.

Considering Santorum got pounded in Pgh in 2006, this may not be much of a boost for Hillary.


by bernardpliers on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:24:22 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

Coming from Pittsburgh, the best endorsement given thus far was from Dan Rooney, owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers football organization, and by extension, owner of the hearts and minds of the greater Pittsburgh area.  

The Tribune Review endorsement would help Clinton only if they endorsed in the GE and over McCain.  Democratic voters are not looking for guidance here, I can assure you that.  The Post-Gazette is the only daily in town worth the paper it's printed on, and they went for Obama.  But after, newspaper endorsements have never been that influential, so I'm not a big fan of the Obama ad touting these.


by haystax calhoun on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:42:41 PM EST

True - worth about as much (none / 0)

as the Kennedy clan and the Kerrys all rolled up in one, topped off with D. Patrick.


by activatedbybush on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:13:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: True - worth about as much (none / 0)

No, not really.   Senators have sway over other superdelegates, republican newspapers have nothing on us.


by haystax calhoun on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:18:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: True - worth about as much (none / 0)

Not to mention the endorsement of the Kennedy clan gave Barack Obama serious legitimacy.  There was a reason that in Gloria Steinem's endorsement of Hillary Clinton, she claimed (falsely) that Ted Kennedy had endorsed her - it's a big deal.

I don't think Barack Obama makes it out of Super Tuesday without those endorsements.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:29:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Retitle perhaps? (2.00 / 1)

                Scaife loves Clinton!!!!!


by Bob Johnson on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:55:21 PM EST

Linda, why did you take your other diary down? (2.00 / 1)

The one about the "clear trend" in the Gallup poll that "Democrats prefer Hillary?"


by Bob Johnson on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:18:55 PM EST

Re: Linda, why did you take your other diary down? (none / 0)

Yeah, Why? I was posting a comment and it just dissapeared. I guess she got embarassed. Hell I would have been red to post that diary myself.


by venician on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:30:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Linda, why did you take your other diary down? (2.00 / 1)

Because, instead of arguing the trend upwards with you all apparently trying to spin a one day jump for him (3 pts...which is the margin of error), I fitured I'll wait and let the days play out for the win in Pennsylvania.

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/0420 08DailyUpdateGraph1_rn3w9kl2as.gif


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:51:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Linda, why did you take your other diary down? (none / 0)

Your "one day jump" for him looks to me like a "one day dip".  Look at the long, steady line of light-green over dark before they crossed places, briefly.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:32:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Isn't this the only paper in the state to endorse (2.00 / 3)

her? And it's Scaife's rag? There's some bitter irony here.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:39:53 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 5)

You gotta be fucking kidding me. This is a recommended diary?????It's one thing to write a diary touting an endorsement which is from a questionable paper. It is still newsworthy on some level, I guess even if the analysis is flawed. But you are going to recommend an endorsment from a right wing paper that will tear apart Hillary in the GE anyway? How dumb can some people be? How shortsighted are some of you?


by Pravin on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:58:06 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 5)

I recommended it just so people could see how short-sighted and how lacking in political memory are many Clinton supporters.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:07:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

lmao


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:42:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

Me, too, Linda.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:45:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 3)

Scaife is the one laughing his ass off at driving a wedge into the Democratic Party with Hillary as his trojan horse.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:10:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

I <3 mixed metaphors.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:35:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

I noticed. But it wasn't worth changing since it made the point.
Sometimes you can't make an omelette without mixing some metapohors.
Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:22:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

Indeed.  This is a man who will stab us in the back in the fall.  Right now he just enjoys being feted by his once and future victims.


by rfahey22 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:27:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

well, we are at MYDD>


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:16:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

a haiku (2.00 / 3)

Springtime lambs gather;
Lulled to sleep by gentle words.
A feast for the wolves.

You haven't seen impatient until you've seen a monkey waiting for a donut.
by bjones on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:42:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It;'s not going to help Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

It's too late for that.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:07:31 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 4)

Heh.  PA Papers endorsing Obama include: The Philadelphia Inquirer, The Philadelphia Daily News, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Allentown Morning Call, The Patriot News of Harrisburg, the Scranton Times-Tribune (HRC's hometown paper) and the Bucks County Courier.

Hillary Clinton's endorsements include the Daily Pennsylvanian (the University of Pennsylvania paper). The daily in Wilkes-Barre said it is not endorsing at all.  

But yeah, trot out the uber right wing rag of Richard Mellon Scaife as an accomplishment.  That's rich.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:09:24 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

Everybody in Western PA knows the Trib is a right wing newspaper and the Post Gazette is the liberal one...common knowledge...


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:11:44 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

Only the repugs buy the Trib....I've lived in western PA all my life, and have been a democrat also....Never once bougth the Trib...


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:14:21 PM EST

How can Obama possible compete with this??? (2.00 / 0)

I'm still hoping for Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity to endorse Obama.  It's his only hope...


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:23:18 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 7)

I remember back at the height of WhiteWater, even before Monica, there was a pre-blog political website hosted by Time Magazine called Pathfinder.....(it was a general purpose comment site, but the political section was THE hotbed...)

At that time. the left and the right fought it out on that same site?  This was early on, before all the left moved to their sites, and all the right did the same...Free Republic was brand new, and the terms Trolls, and Blogs were just coming into being...

And back then, Richard Mellon Scaiffe was the devil incarnate, NO ONE from the left would speak his name without spitting out the taste?

When the Monica Impeachment finally hit, it was a virtual war, but it was clear to all on the left, Scaiffe was funding not only the publicity, but the group of lawyers that was behind Paula Jones, etc....

Move.On was formed to combat this? It was "the anti-Scaiffe" machine, and when all us Pathfinder folks contributed, we were fighting for Bill and Hill against "The vast Right Wing Conspiracy" as she called it.

Folks to a lot of us, Richard Mellon Scaiffe WAS the face of that VRWC?

I guess I have just been in this battle deeper and longer then a lot of folks, who came on board without really knowing the history of this war?

Now, to not only see Democrats proud of a Richard Mellon Scaiffe endorsement (and, don't tell this is the paper not his...Just like Faux does stuff that Murdoch doesn't approve?) but, to be joyous at them endorsing the Clintons?

Clearly, the farther the right, the more they hate Obama.

That is really an endorsement of Obama in my mind, that means, they have targeted the administration most likely to repudiate their 40 year struggle to change the tax code to their favor, to destroy ever social program since FDR.....To balance the hand of the people vs the corporation?

In that war, does anyone REALLY doubt how anyone as far to the right as Scaiffe stands?

If you want politicians elected that Richard Mellon Scaiffe endorses, then the right wing REALLY has succedded in taking what was a slam dunk move to the left, and once again, with a slight of hand, made us snatch defeat from the jaws of victory....


Rush Limbaugh, Sara Palin and Joe the Plumber...The Triad of Republican Irrelevancy.
by WashStateBlue on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:29:29 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Were the situation duplicated on the Republican side, this would be the equivalent of Limbaugh gushing over en endorsement by Steinem.
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:53:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 4)

Last four presidential elections the Pittsburgh Tribune Review has endorsed:

1992:George Bush

1994: Bob Dole

2000: George W. Bush

2004: George W. Bush


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:33:07 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

those were GE endorsements.  What about primary endorsements - which papers do for both sides?


by colebiancardi on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:19:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

This is just to show you when the chips are down, the Trib always leans hard Right!!  IMO, they are doing what the GOP expects them to do. Show support to the candidate that is trailing, hoping to extend the primary and watch the Dems tear into one another....Thus the GOP does not have to lift a finger and it shows them above the fray....Just to be clear, IMO, they would have endorsed Barack if he had been the one trailing....True GOP tatics coming from a true GOP newspaper.


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:54:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

That was actually my take on things when the NY Post endorsed Obama, but the huffpo article that someone posted above makes more sense.

As an Obama backer, as much as I'd like to push the "Republicans want Hillary to win" argument, I don't think it's necessarily true.  The reason that Scaife, Limbaugh, Hannity et. al are doing what they're doing is to extend the primary and keep us all fighting.

Or maybe they do want Hillary to win - I don't know. I'm just saying it's not necessarily so.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:42:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

Sorry 1996: Bob Dole


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:33:38 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

I think it's fine to be happy about an editorial endorsement, but I find it alarming that this diary is actually touting the "logic" behind this bat shit crazy rag's editorial.  The reasons given for preferring Clinton are essentially that (1) Obama hates america; (2) HRC is less likely to raise taxes than that other even more crazy liberal Obama; and (3) HRC has more "experience," although what that amounts to is not discussed.  Likely because reasons 1 and 2 are all papers like the Trib actually care about.

On the plus side though, the Trib's sports coverage is pretty decent.  I've made a point of never reading anything else it prints, but hey -- go Pens!


by HSTruman on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:47:32 PM EST

No. (2.00 / 2)

Who they endorse now indicates who they'd rather face in the Fall. Care to put a little cash on who they endorse in the general?


by rhetoricus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:50:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No. (none / 0)

If your point is that the GOP would rather face HRC, then I agree with you.  


by HSTruman on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:43:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

Fellow Clinton supporters--you all know in your hearts that not one bit of this matters at all. I mean it speaks very highly of Senator Clinton, no doubt, but really it does not matter. If we're being honest with ourselves we know that the inevitable is just being delayed.

As I've said before here, I'm not crazy about Senator Clinton--its her husband that I would LOVE to see back in the White House. If she would be like him as President I would love her too.  But we all know this is never, ever going to happen. We really do come across as simply foolish acting like any endorsement matters now. Especially from one that will certainly switch sides against her if she would have been able to win the nom.


by AlexScott on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:50:56 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

YEs, is DOES SPEAK VERY HIGHLY of Senator Clinton and their endorsement states her leadership quite nicely.  And that DOES matter.  


by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:55:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

I think you're missing my point.  If she had this back in January, it would be fantastic for getting who I want back in DC for 8 more years.

However, endorsements for her now are little more than an ego stroke.  By blowing each and one of them up to epic proportions, we just seem foolish--simply because of the fact that Senator Clinton cannot win. I'm not trying to be an asshole, and it breaks my heart, but we all know this by now.  Maybe, and hopefully, something will happen that could massively turn the tide.  But this is as likely as something happening that makes Obama win each state by 90 percent. Almost zero chance.  


by AlexScott on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:05:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

The Trib's opinion of her will change in a heart beat should she win the nomination.....For God' sake you should have seen the biased coverage against Bill when he was running for Pres.....


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:57:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

Of course, they also believe she's a cold-blooded murderer, if you read their past discussions of the Vince Foster investigations.

But hey, I'd take their endorsement seriously, really.

Anyone want to put a bit of cash on who they endorse in the Fall? (And just what might that tell you about their endorsement of Hillary now?)


by rhetoricus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:49:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Anyone watching the debates can see (2.00 / 0)

that she stands on her own as a strong, brilliant thinker.
Anyone can see that she was at least half of the brains behind the Bill Clinton presidency.
And that she will be even better because she will have the advantage of hindsight.
by internetstar on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:57:33 PM EST
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Re: Anyone watching the debates can see (2.00 / 2)

The last debate was so ethically compromised, with Hill's monkey-boy at the helm, that I'll exclude that from the running.

But on the other debates, you're absolutely right--Hillary is wicked-smart on the issues, and I'd say she might have been more than half the brains in the WH (men's brains being divided and all..)

I'm not always impressed with her discernment (flag burning? Kyl/Lieberman? Mark Penn? Scaife? big cash from Pharma and foreign interests?) but no one would dispute that she's one of the strongest minds in DC.


by rhetoricus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:12:28 PM EST
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Re: Anyone watching the debates can see (none / 0)

Am I the only one who thinks debates ain't shit?  Recall, Gore lost all of his with debates with Bush.  Reagan was a fantastic debater.

At their best they reward concission and neatly wrapped talking points - at their worst they're dueling one-liners.  Which isn't to say they're useless, but the person who wins isn't necessarily smarter, more knowledgable, ummm... right, etc.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:46:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Gore didn't lose the debates with Bush (none / 0)

who told you that he did?  CNN spin monkeys?


by internetstar on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:09:00 PM EST
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Re: Gore didn't lose the debates with Bush (none / 0)

My memory's fuzzy, but Gore did lose one debate in the court of popular opinion.  I think it was the first one, where he kept interrupting Bush and going over his time limit to explain his answers.  People were annoyed by that performance - he won on substance but lost on style.


by rfahey22 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:30:04 AM EST
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Gore didn't lose any debate (none / 0)

He was lackluster, but Bush was atrocious. He looked like he was in a stupor. After every debate, MSM would spin him as the winner, and marvel at how presidential he looked, and how angry Gore looked.


by internetstar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:38:18 AM EST
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Re: Gore didn't lose any debate (none / 0)

Not to mention the MSM focus on his "sighing". More evidence of MSM obsession with all those "tough but appropriate" questions.
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:24:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore didn't lose any debate (none / 0)

That's my point.


by rfahey22 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:06:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Gore was a thousand times more (none / 0)

coherent than Obama in the ABC debate.

Those questions were not tough.  

He lacked the intelligence to maneuver them to his advantage with elegance.

The questions that were asked of him were important because they are what have been and will be circulated around about him.

ABC was doing him the favor of giving him the chance to clear the air.

I used to shoot documentaries, and worked elections for news stations, and always asked politicians the questions that involved negative word or rumor so that they could clarify things.  I actually did it as a favor to them.

Obama should have been ready.  Instead, he stumbled and fell flat on his face.


by internetstar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:42:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The nomination is still very much up in the air (2.00 / 1)

The majority of super delegates, per the LA Times today, are saying that the biggest criteria for them is who has the best chance to beat McCain.

Obama is not looking strong right now at all. I'm not sure he could be elected president. I would bet against him. His debate performance was a major set back.

McCain brought up the obvious today: why is Obama going to the house of, accepting contributions from, and serving on the board with unrepentent American terrorists who set off bombs and killed people? Yes, he was only 8 when they were killing people, but that doesn't explain why he would associate with them when they refuse to apologize.

When you add than to all the things Rev. Wright has said, what Michelle Obama has said and now what Obama has said and you have a very weak candidate. None of this is lost on the super delegates.

I don't know if Hillary would win, but I know she would have an excellent chance. Some reputable polls show her running neck and neck with McCain in Florida. She does well in the major swing states. But Obama looks like a sure loser. I know the Republicans welcome a fight with him. Hillary is better positioned for the general election than she is for the Democratic primary, the reverse is true for Obama.


by mmorang on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:49:40 PM EST
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Re: The nomination is still very much up in the ai (2.00 / 0)

The Weather Underground never killed anyone.  Do you think Bill's pardoning of their members will be brought up in the general election if it's Hillary?  What about the members of the FALN, who actually did kill and maim people?

Plus she has such high negatives.  The people who like her are all concentrated in the Democratic primaries - she's doing as well here as she's ever going to do.  I don't think she's well positioned once the election is open to everyone.

The primaries themselves have borne this out - Obama does better in open primaries: places where her high negatives count.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:51:07 PM EST
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Re: The nomination is still very much up in the ai (none / 0)

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazi ne/December-2006/Sudden-Impact/


by internetstar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:48:28 AM EST
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Re: The nomination is still very much up in the ai (none / 0)

Actually, a lot of Republicans and Independents are quite comfortable with her as she is viewed as a center-left centrist. She will do well in the big states she needs.

Obama is now being increasingly defined as an unknown and unnecesary risk. He proved himself to not be ready for prime time. He is Robin to Hillary's Batman.


by mmorang on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:15:27 AM EST
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Re: The nomination is still very much up in the ai (none / 0)

Comments like these make me so frustrated. I support her too, but how can you say he's not ready for the prime time when he is the one WINNING? What does that make her if he is the one WINNING? I concede she was not able to pull this thing called WINNING off, so when you say he is the one not ready for the prime time, it makes us all (those of us who support the Clinton family that are actually logical) look so, so delusional.

Why are you trying to divide us all even further? Why?


by AlexScott on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:16:26 AM EST
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Re: The nomination is still very much up in the ai (none / 0)

Winning a Democratic primary is not the same as being ready for prime time.

Being ready for prime time is winning the election and then governing effectively.

McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry all won the Democratic nomination, but none of them were sworn in as president. With the exception of Gore, they were not ready for prime time.
All of the above mentioned people were ready to govern. Obama is not nearly as experienced as any of those candidates. He has given the Republicans more than enough ammo to destroy him with.

Unlike past nominees, he has not won a big state. He does terrible in the swing states. He has too many troubling associations which he can't adequately explain like the one McCain brought up this Sunday: Why is Obama going to he house of, and receiving contributions from a known terrorist who set off bombs and killed innocent people? Sure, Obama was only 8 when they comminted their crimes but they are unrepentent now. There are other troubling associations that will come out.

Yes, I do not feel that Obama is ready for prime time. Obama is very sharp but right now he is thin on experience. Four or eight more years of national experience will only help Obama. There is no good reason we have to run him this year when we need to win.


by mmorang on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:34:25 PM EST
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Re: The nomination is still very much up in the ai (2.00 / 0)

I've been on the board of three non-profits and never vetted anyone who was a fellow board member.  Has anyone else on this site who has been on a board done that?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:28:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The nomination is still very much up in the ai (none / 0)

He wasn't just on a board with him, he's gone to his house and accepted contributions. He knew who he was associating with.

When something sounds to good to be true it usually is. The "transformative" leader can't buy a big state and there is no wave of Republican or Independent support supporting Obama. He is doing far worse among whites than any Democratic front-runner in recent history.

If the Super Delegates are serious about winning they will realize that the party is made up of pragmatic adults. Do what it takes to win and explain it to the supporters of the new V.P., Obama.


by mmorang on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:22:18 AM EST
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Re: The nomination is still very much up in the ai (none / 0)

As presumably another pragmatic adult, explain how your "ready for prime time" candidate wins when her entire campaign strategy has been centered on being McCain-lite.

Explain how the 2-term senate experience that she crows about, compares to McCain's decades of service in Congress.

Explain how snipergate will play out against McCain's time in the Hanoi Hilton.

For the record, I'll sleep a lot better at night with a Hillary presidency than a McCain one. She is smart, tough, and most importantly isn't the neocon-possessed, mind-controlled empty suit that McCain has turned into. But this is not how her strategists have cast her, and it will leave her in the dust in the general.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:10:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Gamblin' Bill Sums it up (2.00 / 1)

"Scaife's defenders say he's a gentleman, exercising his First Amendment right to speak out."

"William Bennett, who sits on the board of one Scaife foundation, said, "It's a free country; the conservatives can give to conservative causes, liberals to liberal causes.""

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/04/2 7/scaife.profile/

Indeed.


by edmandspath on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:57:14 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Wow. One endorsement compared to, what, EIGHT Pennsylvania papers that have endorsed Obama?

Maybe Obama should just concede now.


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:23:22 PM EST

If the 8 are the level of Philadelphia Inquirer (none / 0)

which is like a supermarket freebie, with Republican leanings, then so what?


by internetstar on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:12:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

But they're not. (none / 0)

Or if you disagree, say so.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:45:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i disagree (none / 0)


by internetstar on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:33:43 AM EST
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Re: i disagree (none / 0)

So according to you the Philadelphia Daily News, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Allentown Morning Call, Patriot News of Harrisburg, Scranton Times-Tribune and the Bucks County Courier are all supermarket freebies with republican leanings?
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:31:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

First, I have to say this is the stupidest endorsement I've read. Who wrote this crap? Not a democrat, that's for sure. McCain wins the experience argument, hands down, over both the democrats. So what does that leave us with in the fall if Hillary is the nominee? The war that she voted for and now is against.


by grasshopper on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:26:03 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

"At the very moment that a dangerously fractured Republican Party could have disintegrated Sen. McCain delivered a stunning speech to the annual gathering of the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) ... McCain also offered an impressive tutorial on what the core of conservatism really is -- small government, fiscal discipline, low taxes, a strong defense and a judiciary that does not legislate from the bench. ... It was the speech of a hero leader at the exact moment when America is in dire need of heroes and leaders. And we wholeheartedly endorse John McCain for president." -- Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

From AP: Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton was endorsed Sunday by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, whose owner and publisher, billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, personally funded many of the investigations that led to President Clinton's impeachment in 1998.


by grasshopper on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:32:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are aware that the Trib (2.00 / 3)

is Pittsburgh's rigthwing rag, aren't you?

I'm not so sure I'd be trumpeting an endorsement from a Richard Mellon Scaife publication.


by jaywillie on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:28:33 PM EST

What do you think the Philadelphia Inquirer is? (none / 0)

Not only right wing, but so schlocky it's handed out free.


by internetstar on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:13:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What do you think the Philadelphia Inquirer is (none / 0)

And your opinion on the other 7 is..?

If you're going to insinuate something, don't hide behind rhetoric. Or hypotheticals.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:48:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Excellent Diary! (2.00 / 2)

I cannot think of anything more likely to persuade undecided Pennsylvania progressives to vote for Obama than the knowledge that Scaife wants Clinton to be the Democratic nominee.  Please rec this diary!


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:14:02 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

mccain better than bush? so says obama in gaffe today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080420/ap_o n_el_pr/obama_4;_ylt=AnwEHLdrF1MXFYcOBox j8wOpg9IF
by art3 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:35:32 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

Hurry up and write a diary about it......


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:00:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Well who isn't. McCain at least pretends to care about torture.


by elrod on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:24:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

and campaign finance reform. (none / 0)


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:48:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The "Gaffe" got some "Laffes" (1.00 / 2)

"You have a real choice in this election. Either Democrat would be better than John McCain," Obama said to cheers from a rowdy crowd in central Pennsylvania.

Then he said: "And all three of us would be better than George Bush."

(Gee, I wonder if that was like, a punch line for a joke?....naaah, I think he likes McCain...yeah, that's it. It couldn't possibly be a dig at Bush's disastrous 2 terms)

Another grasp at the straws by Kamp Klinton.

Like Fish in a Barrel.


by edmandspath on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:11:49 PM EST

The Weekly Standard, the American (1.50 / 2)

Spectator, the Washington Times and the National Review just endorsed as well.

Great news for Hillary!


by bobdoleisevil on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:18:16 PM EST

Re: The Weekly Standard, the American (2.00 / 1)

Forget bob dole. You're evil I fell for it. I've managed to avoid it for two months now and you got me...

Damn. Those editorials are so persuasive. I think I might have to change my mind and vote for Hillary..

:-)


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:32:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Weekly Standard, the American (2.00 / 2)

LOL!!!

Can you believed how suckered some people are?  


"It's time to pass the baton to the next generation." Ken Jacobson, WA state senator.
by tibbs on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:16:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 6)

Linda, I can't think of a more profound embarrassment to your candidate, her campaign, her supporters and you personally as a diarist than this endorsement and your uncritical enthusiasm for it.  What an indictment on all of you, I wish I could recommend it twice.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:30:11 PM EST

What was Obama thinking... (2.00 / 1)

...in not going after the Trib endorsement.  I mean besides the fact that he refused to endorse the type of poisonous political attacks that distract us from actually trying to solve the problems we face.  Why would he cozy up to someone like this.

I mean, this is the same guy who has been trying to pin Vince Foster's death on the Clintons for years.  One of the funders of the Arkansas project. You remember them, according to these hosers not only were the Clintons involved in the Foster death, but were also tied up with drug dealing out of Mena Arkansas.  

And now in a new low for debasing oneself for gain, she courted this guy's endorsement?  She would have been justified in kicking him right in the Johnson.

The laughter from the right side of the aisle is becoming deafening.  She is poisoning her own and Obama's candidacy.  


"You might well think that. I couldn't possibly comment"
by xenontab on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:52:55 PM EST

Re: What was Obama thinking... (none / 0)

This poisoning meme is so tired.  Obama is the one who is going to cause us to lose the White House.


by Montague on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:52:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What was Obama thinking... (2.00 / 0)

If he wins the nomination, will you vote for him?


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:25:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What was Obama thinking... (1.00 / 1)

The answer right now is No, and that's a first for me in all my years of voting.  He has acted too despicably.  

I won't vote for McCain, so don't accuse me of that.


by Montague on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:42:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

Murdoch Obama's friend?  Ya mean how FOX ignored Rev. Wright, "the Pin", Ayers? Puleeeeze...

Although this endorsement should put Clinton back to a 20% Victory Statement on Tuesday doncha' think?

Although I hear Sen. Clinton is having a rally in Philly on Monday...watch for a crowd of 100,000.
Put Obama's measly 35,000 to shame.


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:56:10 PM EST

BREAKING (2.00 / 1)

Ann Coulter endorses Hillary Clinton.

Says, "Better than McCain!"

Should this be made into a recced diary? Let's get realistic. Right wing rag. It is obvious they are afraid of Obama.


by Zotnix on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:59:23 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 4)

The circle is complete.  As an Obama supporter, I'm obligated to rec this.


by Pat Flatley on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:14:00 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

Being endorsed by Dick Scaife's rag is not a good thing.

If you're a Democrat, that is.


by DeskHack on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:24:57 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

I don't get it. What's the punchline?


by faster democrat kill kill on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:12:01 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

Unknown to Hillary, she's the punch line.


"It's time to pass the baton to the next generation." Ken Jacobson, WA state senator.
by tibbs on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:25:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Republicans want to run against Hillary. (2.00 / 1)

No surprise there.  That thing reads like a cheap hit piece from FR, not a thoughtful newspaper editorial.  

Hillary's got all those despicable rightwing characters on her side - for the primary.


"It's time to pass the baton to the next generation." Ken Jacobson, WA state senator.
by tibbs on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:14:39 PM EST

I love (2.00 / 1)


   how Hillary supporters claim she's the candidate that Democrats prefer, while simultaneously touting endorsements from Republican Newspapers...such as this one, which is run by Scaife, who funded the Arkansas project.

  Which one is it Clintonites?


by southernman on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:40:39 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

If I had my way, this diary would never leave the rec list.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:56:11 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (1.00 / 1)

Now let me get one thing straight.  When Rethugs speak highly of Obama, or gawd help us, even actually VOTE for him in the Democratic primary, his supporters don't have a problem with that and in fact try to pretend it's a net positive by pointing out that it shows he can win the GE.  

Well, gee, folks, same argument goes here - Hillary has wide support.  She's the one who can win in November.  That is, if Obama's candidacy hasn't totally destroyed the Democratic party by then.


by Montague on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:01:40 PM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 2)

It's not about Republicans.

It's RICHARD MELLON SCAIFE.  As in The Arkansas Project.  As in Blinded by the Right.  As in the Paula Jones case.  He set out to destroy the Clintons and the fruit of his efforts was the eventual impeachment of them.

This is not a good person.  This is not someone who has the best interests of the Democratic Party, or, for that matter, the country, at heart.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:07:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

Oh, I know about Scaife.  Most newspapers (I'm not going to bother myself to find this out for this specific newspaper) have editorial boards that have some independence from their owners, so this isn't an endorsement from Scaife.  But even so, it's absurd for Democrats to try to guess which way the Rethugs are trying to game our primary.  That they ARE trying to game it, I doubt not one whit.  My guess is they prefer Obama in the general election.  I could be wrong.  Frankly, none of us knows for sure.  In fact I'm sure many Republicans have different viewpoints on which of our candidates would be easier to beat.  So I'm not going to worry about the fact that a newspaper read by a lot of working-class Pennsylvanians is owned by Scaife.  

Incidentally (and I know that was just a typo on your part), the Clintons - plural - were not impeached.


by Montague on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:23:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

Scaif is most definitely behind this editorial.

Didn't Hillary complain today that Obama is using GOP talking points against her? And now she's relying on the fascist Scaife rag for support against Obama? Too bad for Hillary the Rethugs can't cross over.


by elrod on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:27:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

This is Scaife's newspaper. He runs it. He decides who it endorses.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:30:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 0)

Yeah-typo.  I noticed it right after I wrote it; the facts of Bill's impeachment and Scaife's targeting of both him and Hillary got in the way of my grammar.


by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:03:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

I don't doubt the wingnuts would very much like to THINK they had managed to impeach both.  But that would mean they'd have to admit that Hillary was a co-president or something.  What a dilemma for them.


by Montague on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:17:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

She MET with Scaife, not to mention that he ostensibly "reassessed" her: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbur ghtrib/opinion/s_559659.html An endorsement by Scaife for the democratic primary is like a recommendation from Sharpton for a KKK seat.
It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:49:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

An endorsement for Richard Scaife is not a badge of honor if you are a Democrat.  He's a right wing nut job.  Get a clue!


by gorebeatbush2 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:49:50 AM EST

Is this Snark? (none / 0)

That is a Neocon Right wing rag.

As if you didn't know.

Pathetic, you people are really sad


by Silence Do Good on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:32:53 AM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (2.00 / 1)

Bwa hah hah, Richard Mellon Scaife's rag endorses Hillary! Recommended for sure. I'll bet Free Republic endorses her next! She's already got Ann Coulter's support, remember?


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by X Stryker on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:22:28 AM EST

Re: Pittsburgh Tribune Endorses Hillary !!! (none / 0)

The editorial hits it squarely on the nail about Obama, couldn't be more accurate. Another nail in the coffin for Obama


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by steve468 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:02:44 PM EST


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