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MSNBC is Losing it!

by feliks, Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:13:45 AM EST

I think Chuck Todd and Msnbc have finally gone of the deep end. A new MSNBC/McClatchy/Pittsburgh Post-Gazette poll was released today showing Clinton with a 5 point lead. Todd gives a reasoned analysis of the poll and then goes into the poll's internals. This is where we enter SILLY SEASON.

The full entry is here:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/04/20/923759.aspx?CommentPosted=true #commentmessage

The pertinent part is here:

Have we actually come to the point in this campaign where we're polling the BOWLING VOTE? Isn't this a campaign to be the Democratic nominee for the President of the United States and not the campaign for the Saturday Night Bowling League? GOOD GRIEF!

Tags: Barack obama, hillary clinton, polls, bowling, chuck todd (all tags)

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Re: MSNBC is Losing it! (2.00 / 1)

Bill Maher had his "reporter" do a segment on "Bikers for Obama"

yep, it is the silly season.

I guess I am not represented properly. I am not a gun owner, Bible owner, bowler or biker

I have a computer, however :)

by colebiancardi on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:17:12 AM EST

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I bowl on my Wii... does that count...? I also have a Bible that was an heirloom.... don't own a gun... I have a dog for protection....

Other than that... this doesn't really surprise me... it is in line with "Which Presidential candidate would you like to have a beer with...?" As if that would ever really happen outside of campaign season....

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:54:56 AM EST
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Maher is about comedy first. (Whether or not he succeeds..)

Bikers aren't a group one would normally associate with support for Obama, that's why it was kinda fun.

I was trying to think of a demographic that might function similarly for Hillary--maybe rap artists? But I think a prominent one already is very vocally in support of Hillary.

by rhetoricus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:26:35 PM EST
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I know that Maher is comedy, but he does have very good political guests on, which makes him politico-comedy, I suppose

which rap artist supports Hillary?

by colebiancardi on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:57:55 PM EST
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50 cent

"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale

by april34fff on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:07:25 PM EST
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but he supports BO now though

"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale

by april34fff on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:09:21 PM EST
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yes, 50 cent is supporting Obama now. He found out that Obama was black (I kid you not....) and focused his support on him.

I hope I don't get trollrated for saying that. I mean, it was on huffpo.

by colebiancardi on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:04:00 PM EST
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If I didn't read this on the MSNBC website I would have thought it was a snark.

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:17:34 AM EST

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Wonky polling stuff--manna from heaven for wonky politicos like me. Of course, they're polling gun owners, bowlers, men, women, income levels, home-ownership levels, foreclosure victims, and every other subset of the population in PA. It's what pollsters do; it's what politicians do; and it tells them who supports who and why.

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman

by Tennessean on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:26:51 AM EST

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My life is so much more pleasant with MSNBC out of my life.

...if the few times something good happens on the non misogynist shows.......you know, that one in the morning, I'll just have to wait to hear about it after the fact. Even that little crumb does not balance out their 99 percent propaganda coverage they've become.

by LindaSFNM on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:38:20 AM EST

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they already lost; and they will be on losing side until they will keep idiots like Chris and Keith on payroll...

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:41:47 AM EST

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Well you need to understand winning and losing side from their perspective. Winning means profits for GE, their ultimate parent company. GE, is a big defense contractor and has done great under the Bushies. Hence the GE minions want Obama to win the primary so McCain wins the general.

Of course Obama could have promised GE he won't upset their apple cart. Which means he really doesn't intend to push for his "best case scenarios" in Iraq.

by ineedalife on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:57:18 AM EST
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actually you nailed it: they (GE) are convinced that McCain will trash Obama in landslide (I agreed with that), so they are doing everything they can to help Obama to be a nominee. Funny thing that Democrats falling into the same trap again and again; Dems proved that as an organization they have no skills to win a presidency.

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:09:32 AM EST
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Hillary Clinton would have the highest negatives of anyone running for president in history.

by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:12:33 AM EST
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Still she is beating McCain easily where it matters and getting more than 270 electoral votes based on the polls.

She has so high negatives still Obama is unable to close it against her.

The highest negatives point is utter bullshit.

by Sandeep on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:35:12 AM EST
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The thing about high negatives is that they represent your ceiling - her poll numbers now are never going to get any better unless either Barack Obama or John McCain becomes unelectable.

What is "bullshit" about my highest negatives point? Serious question. I'll vote for her but it's a horrible number to be entering a general election with.

by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:49:34 AM EST
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your BS as following:
Obama will instantly lose a lot of votes, because many Hillary supporters (me included) will not vote for him in GE - they will vote for McCain. How that for ceiling?
It is not just ceiling, it will be landsladide victory for mcCain if Obama will be nominated. It is what GE and MSNBC wanted: they want DEMs to lose and you helping them.

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:16:04 PM EST
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Then I will blame all you Hillary supporters who voted for Mccain for the continued war in Iraq and the new war in Iran......Blood will be on your fingers if you pull the lever for McCain

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:25:01 PM EST
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There are two groups Obama will have a tough time winning - Reagan Democrats and hard core, blue state Hillary supporters.

Reagan Democrats can be won over to the Democratic party but they aren't ours to count on. They did well under Bill and they're showing up and voting for Hillary. She hears them and they trust her to do the right thing by them. They don't like Obama by and large, because he's just too slick for them. They don't know him and they don't trust him. This is one of the places where Obama waiting until he'd served a full term and getting a few actual accomplishments under his belt would have helped him.

Hard-core Hillary supporters are furious at the campaign Obama has run against Hillary and we feel that he has leveraged misogyny against her. We're Democrats and we won't tolerate this kind of overt misogyny within the party. We're in blue states and obama needs us to win. All he has done is insult us over and over and over again. I wouldn't vote for Obama anymore than I would expect African Americans to vote for a Democrat who allowed a comedian to go on an overtly racist rant on their behalf.

If Obama can't apologize and reign that behavior in before the primary ends, then the ensuing fall out is his responsibility - not ours. Don't tell me I have to accept my candidate being called a fucking whore and Democrats laughing their ass off about it because of Roe V Wade - that's thuggery and I won't put up with it. If McCain beats Obama because Obama didn't set things right in this party, that's Obama's fault. He has no moral right to run the type of campaign he has run. We're telling him and the DNC this over and over again, but no one has a made a move to clean things up.

by Little Otter on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:18:17 PM EST
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Fact Check.....Obama Never called hillary a Fucking whore....good grief!.....you may be referring to Randi Rhodes from Air America referring to geraldine ferraro as a Fucking whore in her comedy act.....Randi Rhodes is in No way connected to the Obama campaign.....And if you don't think the Clinton campaign has been race baiting you are naive. Regardless of that fact I will pull the lever for Clinton should she become the nominee because I want our young soldiers home from Iraq and not in Iran, and I Know this is a priority with Clinton and Obama but NOT McCain.

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:10:11 PM EST
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I hope you will reconsider since a McCain win will produce lots of damage for people in our country and in the world. Lots of time my top primary choice didn't win, but that's the breaks.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:15:36 PM EST
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Out of sincere curiousity: What is with the intense hatred on the part of you HRC supporters toward a member of your own party???

She is not entitled to the presidency. She ran low rent campaign and she will have to suffer the consequences for that. But don't take your rage out on the country by voting for McCain.

The vitriol seems quite irrational at times.

"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale

by april34fff on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:20:31 PM EST
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Considering those are things the candidates made an issue of, why not. He bowled badly, she shot things as a kid, he had a beer, she had a shot, and so on and so on and so on.

This is what we live and breathe in this country.

by mady on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:56:36 AM EST

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> This is what we live and breathe in this country.

Sadly true, mady. Our media has once again transformed an election that should have been about issues vital to our nation's future into a travesty of an election about trivialities - haircuts, cleavage, bowling scores, etc.

We the people have to shoulder some of the blame, because we are not willing to call BS when it is not our candidate being trivialized. I am not putting that on supporters of any one candidate - I have seen it from all sides. If we are true liberals, we should insist on factual, substantive coverage of ALL the candidates, EVEN including the Republican candidates. If the election debate is held on that basis, I am confident Democrats would win handily. By allowing the discourse to devolve as it has every election cycle for some time now, we play into the Republicans' hands.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:16:52 PM EST
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That's pretty funny - I had to follow the link to confirm that they actually do talk about "Bowler" preference. I guess the issue was "relevant" because of Obama's attempt to look like one of the average, bitter white people that bowl and feed cows when not shootin' holes in their pews.

I kid, Obama supporters, I kid.

by bobbank on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:57:48 AM EST

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I wonder if that data comes from a Mark Penn memo: it has "microtrends" written all over it.

I wonder who's winning the "impressionable archery mom" vote.

by Mostly on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:11:09 AM EST

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the sniper vote or the leftie vote, come on chuck todd, you can get more data than this!

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:53:52 PM EST
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I'm sorry. I find that offensive. That appears to (none / 0)

be saying that people are clinging to their bowling balls. What an elitist poll.

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:45:36 PM EST

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Yes they are; especially Keith Olbermann.

by soyousay on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:31:23 PM EST

Well (none / 0)

It may seem silly at first blush, but the fact that Clinton leads by > 20% among bowlers is pretty much proof that there is something about being a bowler that statistically separates you from the general population, at least right now in PA. Such knowledge is of value in politics--if you can figure out why bowlers are statistically separate from the political pack, then maybe you can do something that plays to bowlers. At 24% of the population, that's nothing to sneeze at.

by Trickster on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:01:23 PM EST

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Yes, I suspect there is a significant overlap between bowlers and working class whites. But have previous polls used bowlers as a demographic? If not, then the burden is on MSNBC to show that they had something in mind besides making fun of the fact that Obama is apparently a bad bowler. Clinton has admitted that she is not much of a bowler either, but she did have the good sense not to try it as a campaign stunt.

Nobody is complaining about citing the spread among gun owners, because that is a demographinc that has been polled a lot, and because gun control is a legitimate issue in the election. I have not heard any candidate propose bowling related legislation as yet, so why poll bowlers?

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:44:52 PM EST
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